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[Anonymous No.20365825]

Balrog vs Gandalf Edition

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[Anonymous No.20365826]

I have about as much respect for Gideon the Ninth as I do for the dogshit on my shoe. It is reddit. It is video game hot pocket. It is capeshit. It is cheeto dust. I'm literally screaming right now and slamming my arms down on my desk just thinking about it. It is the most depraved video game infantilized manchild degeneracy. It is saturday morning cartoon. It is non-neurotypicality. It is memes. It is video game. It is tarantino. It is imdb.
It is coca-cola puberty. it is axe body spray. it is a white stain on boxer shorts. it is arri alexa hot dog caffeine on disney channel.

[Anonymous No.20365827]

>>20365825
He's gonna come back

[Anonymous No.20365834]

>>20365827
Just fucking ignore him

[Anonymous No.20365876]

Just finished my reread of Cradle after reading some Chinese Wuxia and Xianxia novels, and found Cradle farr more enjoyable barring the Abidan plot. Anyone else feel similarly?

[Anonymous No.20365881]

>>20365825
I like Brandon Sanderson. I think his books are fun reads.

[Anonymous No.20365888]

>>20365827
>>20365834
I wouldn't be posting this if you stopped shilling

[Anonymous No.20365890]

any good sword and sorcery that follows one character besides conan? no woman or liberal authors please

[Anonymous No.20365898]

>>20365890
The Witcher, but The Last Wish and Sword of Destiny only.

[Anonymous No.20365901]

>>20365890
Horseclans? There's a blurb at the beginning that says that the book takes pride in how apolitical it is. I want to read it some day. Hopefully it goes back in to print.

[Anonymous No.20365907]

>>20365890
I like the sword of bayne trilogy and despite being three, the individual books are relatively short.

[Anonymous No.20365908]

>>20365901
I mean the author takes pride in that.

[Anonymous No.20365913]

>>20365901
the second one is available on kindle unlimited, but not the first one

[Anonymous No.20365915]

>>20365890
Have you read Howard's other stuff? Solomon Kane, Bran Mak Morn, etc. they're just as good as conan, far darker as well
Moorcock's Elric if you want 60's acid influenced sword and sorcery although moorcock's writing is pretty shit and nowhere near howard's
Karl Edward Wagner's Kane. Gothic influenced immortal wanderer going around being evil and slaying shit and Wagner's writing is on par with or better than howard's

[Anonymous No.20365921]

>>20365890
Kane books by Karl Edward Wagner. There's two short story collections and three full-length novels. Start with Nightwinds since that has the best Kane stories.

[Anonymous No.20365934]

>>20365921
based
the ones not included in the main five books go from good to great, the stories with kane in the modern day are pretty shit and show that wagner had become a washed up alcoholic but stories like misericorde and the other one aren't too bad

[Anonymous No.20365938]

>>20365890
Rogues of Merth follows two characters, but they're bros.

[Anonymous No.20365957]

>>20365826

[Anonymous No.20365959]

>>20365915
>>20365921
the fuck is this faggy shit?

[Anonymous No.20365968]

>>20365876
Cradle's main advantage over xianxia and such is that it has characters instead of just templates.

[Anonymous No.20365977]

>>20365959
those are the covers for the kindle ones which were edited by some freak to remove slur words
get the frazetta originals

[Anonymous No.20365991]

>>20365977
can you link it to me from amazon? or anywhere please. I cant seem to find them

[Anonymous No.20366020]

>>20365991
If you're just wanting to read the physical books then youre kind of fucked because the karl edward wagner estate are intent on only releasing the kane books in really expensive hardback collections that cost hundreds of dollars each
as a result the kane novels, even the original cheap frazetta paperbacks are ridiculously expensive. once in a while you'll get lucky and find them on ebay selling for normal prices but you're mostly out of luck
honestly just go on z-lib and get the books there for free. as the other guy said read night winds first (or bloodstone, i read that first and i think it's better for beginners) and then the rest can be read in any order you want

[Anonymous No.20366070]

>>20366020
well that blows, but thank you for explaining

[Anonymous No.20366076]

>>20365825
What are you reading what are you planning to read?

[Anonymous No.20366082]

>>20365921
>>20365934
Just finished Night Winds recently and onto Death Angels Shadow. Really is excellent what Wagner was able to do with the short stories. Think it fits the character much better.

[Anonymous No.20366087]

>>20366076
That’s really none of your concern.

[Anonymous No.20366097]

>>20366070
honestly just check them out on z-lib, wagner is the second greatest sword and sorcery author next to howard IMO

[Anonymous No.20366108]

books where the setting is on a space ship and there is an imposter among them?

[Anonymous No.20366189]

>>20365825
Reccomend some post-apocalpytic science fantasy novels.

[Anonymous No.20366209]

>>20365827
I said I noticed who it was and wouldn't reply to them and then you lot decided to take the bait for the next 40 posts anyway

[Anonymous No.20366239]

>>20365881
I agree they aren't the best but I can still enjoy them. They are sort of like the marvel movies. They are released regularly and easy to digest. Not high art but who fucking care. Some stuff can just be dumb fun.

[Anonymous No.20366266]

>>20366209
I had some laughs. Got carried away soon after. High emotions. Happens to the best of us.

[Anonymous No.20366272]

>>20365876
yes cradle stands alone. It’s ACTUALLY great

[Anonymous No.20366288]

>>20366239
Theyre a bit better than marvel movies in my opinion, but I understand why you think that. Everyone's palate is different. I don't really like much "high art" anyway.

[Anonymous No.20366303]

>>20366288
>>20366239
>>20365881
they're trash and they're ruining fantasy
a pox on sanderson and all his fans

[Anonymous No.20366305]

>>20366303
Ignore him.

[Anonymous No.20366312]

>>20366239
He's a very competent writer but he has a bit of a problem with retreading the same ground with a character. Shallan's arc every book has been basically the same thing. Kaladin is just dealing with every aspect of depression all the time. Dalinar is "Can I really be a good leader".

[Anonymous No.20366316]

>>20366305
fuck off shill

[Anonymous No.20366335]

>>20366312
Yeah, I agree. I think that's just Sanderson biting off a bit more than he can chew with the SA series. But where the characters fail, the worldbuilding shines. The world is painted vividly and the prose is easy to sink my teeth in to.

[Anonymous No.20366341]

>>20366335
I personally think thousand page doorstopper novels should be done by writers with at least several (i'm talking 2 and half, 3 tops) decades under their belt, like Tad Williams.

[Anonymous No.20366403]

>>20366189
The seventh tower

[Anonymous No.20366404]

>>20366335
I think it's something that shows up in any series he does, really. Mistborn had similar problems, Vin just kept kind of doing the "learn to trust people" character arc every book. Era 2 Mistborn is admittedly veering away, because Wax's arc is slow-burning over the books it feels like.
But still his best work is Emperor's Soul because he was actually restricting himself and had to make the best of smaller amounts compared to just letting himself run wild. Just because he CAN write a lot doesn't mean he should, I think.

[Anonymous No.20366419]

>>20366189
A Moon Full of Stars. It's a pretty short, fun little caveman meets space man novel.

[Anonymous No.20366517]

Monsterfucker here looking for recs on some good human/monster romance as a subplot. doesn't have to be the main focus (probably better if not as I'd prefer something that just smut), but I'll take anything that isn't elves/space babes.

[Anonymous No.20366637]

I hope TWOW and ADOS comes out
Martin can do it, I believe in him

[Anonymous No.20366640]

>>20366637
Bran ate Jojen.

[Anonymous No.20366652]

>>20366640
Why would you say that

[Anonymous No.20366675]

>>20366652
It's true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwUsewk_EuM

[Anonymous No.20366676]

Soulship 5 WHEN

[Anonymous No.20366698]

>>20366082
S&S is at its best in short stories.

[Anonymous No.20366706]

>>20366189
The Jerusalem Man trilogy by Gemmell

[Anonymous No.20366713]

>>20366419
Did you read this based on my recommendation a few generals back?

[Anonymous No.20366789]

i'm getting close to just dropping female authors altogether. i read three or so books of earthsea, an ostensibly well respected and regarded book and i hated it. i just started doomsday book, a nebula and hugo award winner and it reads like young adult shit. i've read a few others not worth mentioning, like rebel of the sands
it's getting to the point where i look at my reading list, see that the book is written by a woman and just decide against it.
pic related is my reading list, though it's not an exhaustive list of what i've read, it's just books i hadn't heard of before i saw them recommended somewhere online since i got a gmail account. books in green are the books i've decided on putting on my kindle next. books in bold are books i've already read. books in red are books i've found to be irredeemably bad and made me mad enough to not just bold.

gimme your best books by female authors or tell me which books by female authors on my list i should try.

[Anonymous No.20366812]

>>20366789
>though it's not an exhaustive list of what i've read, it's just books i hadn't heard of before i saw them recommended somewhere online
to clarify, it's books i think i have a chance of forgetting. i didn't put in stuff like dune or three body problem or song of ice and fire or wheel of time or lotr there, since they're so famous

[Anonymous No.20366827]

>>20366789
Avoid anything that's won hugo or nebula awards. These awards specifically only get given to people for writing pozzed garbage.
The only consistently good female author is Lois Mcmaster Bujold, and she's good because she's a horny old granny who really loves absolute Chads.

[Anonymous No.20366836]

>>20366827
well i thought i was safe since she got that award in the 90s or late 80s.
and holy crap, i've had the vorkosigan books downloaded to my pc for like 10 years, i had no idea the author was a woman. shiet, i'll put them on my kindle next then, since i've been reading one-off books recently and been feeling like reading a series.

[Anonymous No.20366847]

>>20366789
>gimme your best books by female authors or tell me which books by female authors on my list i should try.
I've heard lots of good things about Leigh Brackett from non-pozzed sources. I haven't read anything of hers yet though so I can't personally vouch for the woman, but The Skaith series and The Sword of Rhiannon seem to be her best stuff.

[Anonymous No.20366849]

>>20366836
Vorkosigan is slightly pozzed, but it's funny. It's not pozzed in the toxic modern sense, but more in the naive, upper class 80's feminist sense. I really enjoyed Eithan of Athos in Vorkosigan though
>Guy comes from planet gay, where there's only men
>Has to go out into the universe to find more ovarian tissue because the stuff they use for their test tube babies is worn out
>Meets a woman, plot ensues
>Story ends, woman wants him to stay
>"Fuck this shit I'm going back to planet gay".

[Anonymous No.20366870]

>>20366847
hmm okay, i'll add them to my list, since i'm interested in early fantasy and sci-fi in general but no promises on when i'll read it. hopefully i remember this exchange and i don't just dismiss them due to female author next time i pull up my reading list
>>20366849
yeah i hate modern american niggerlovin and fag and tranny shit but i have a tolerance for 80s and 90s liberalism so i'm sure i'll be fine.
sorry i won't read your spoiler though, i'm autistic about spoilers

[Anonymous No.20366921]

>>20366789
I've enjoyed most of the stuff I've read by Ursula Le Guin and to a less extent Anne MccAffrey. The characters do skew female but even so any preachiness doesn't feel overly obtuse.

I very much enjoy Le Guins alien culture building. Even her humans on other planets often seem more alien than most sci fi authors aliens. One I vividly remember is a space fairing race whit such extreme sexual dimorphism that the females are little more than brainless cows which are routinely raped and eaten.

[Anonymous No.20366923]

>>20365827
Yeah and he'll be Gandalf the White and be more powerful

[Anonymous No.20366935]

>>20366923
I'm Gandalf the clear, that's how powerful I am.

[Anonymous No.20366952]

>>20366076
Anyone else ever wonder if cyberpunk boomers made awful investments? What does your portfolio look like in 1980 if you thought 2040 was coming in 2000?

[Anonymous No.20366974]

>>20366637
>Stannis goona win Battle of Ice
>Euron about to push Oldtown's shit in
>Jon Connington about to unleash greyscale outbreak
>Jaime goona choke Cersei to death
Its crazy how much shit he set up ADWDthat will never have payoff because he wants to write prequels noone has any interest in.He's not goona finish even TWOW. The fat fuck said so in his blog, he feels bad for you anon he said it himself.
>>20366640
Yup, most likely

[Anonymous No.20366990]

>>20366974
>>Jaime goona choke Cersei to death
With his dick

[Anonymous No.20366997]

BotNS is the greatest Scifi of all time and it's not even close

[Anonymous No.20367081]

>>20366974
I think it's precisely that "so many threads that need tying up" that's the paralyzing factor in advancing the events. it's much easier to write unrelated prequels.

[Anonymous No.20367084]

>>20366637
>>20366974
I just want to know if lemongate it real.

[Anonymous No.20367115]

I'm enjoying this so far, been a while since I read any fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20367151]

>>20367084
It's basically confirmed. The question is what reveal does it lead to.

>How old was Daenerys when she left the house with the red door, was it located close to the palace of the Sealord of Braavos?
>That’s a interesting question. But I don’t think I’m going to answer it. There’s a certain revelation about the red door that will come into the books that I have yet to write. So we’ll keep an eye to it.

>For example, when asked how old was Daenerys when she left the house with the red door, he said, “keep reading” and added that the red door is not just a memory of Daenerys’ happy childhood. There will be a lot more about these doors in TWOW.

[Anonymous No.20367204]

>>20367115
I thought about reading this, but then I saw one of the main characters was a female warrior named Elvar, and my autism couldn't let me pick it up

[Anonymous No.20367230]

>>20367204
There are two main female characters, Elvar and Orca. There are also two main male characters, Varg and Thorkel.

I'm not a chud so it doesn't bother me, it is fantasy after all.

[Anonymous No.20367243]

>>20367230
>unironically uses "chud"
Opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.20367250]

[Anonymous No.20367252]

>>20367230
>Varg

[Anonymous No.20367256]

>>20367115
i hate it when books have two "the"s in the title
nigga just skip the first one

[Anonymous No.20367260]

>Hear good things about Bakker
>Start reading Prince of Nothing book one
>Main character belongs to a special bloodline and has a special unpronuncable title, exactly like Dune
>Main character is so smart and strong can mind control first normal person he comes across and can slay multiple enemy warriors with ease
>Beast man race of faceless mooks
>Literally has an epic wizard battle with a generic "dark rider" in the Prologue

This reads like a Lit RPG, what the fuck.

[Anonymous No.20367261]

In my fantasy novel the male MC is named Poopsnout and the female MC is named Sneedhog. Don't let it bother you, chuds, it's a fantasy after all.

[Anonymous No.20367263]

>>20367243
>muh womens
>n-no d-don't call me a Chud
OK Chud.

[Anonymous No.20367267]

>>muh womens
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.20367269]

>>20367230
I said nothing about having a problem with female warriors in fantasy stories
I don't know why the fuck you would assume that, since from what I gathered the other female character is also a Warrior, and I didn't mention them
Do you have some personal problems you need to sort out?
I'm guessing you're a newfag, from your use of Reddit spacing

No, my problem wasn't with a female warrior, it was with a woman being named Elvar, since its a man's name
Its probably not a problem for outlanders, but since I'm Icelandic, and this guy is using my language and my culture in his story it does

I'll give you an example that would make for an English speaker
Imagine reading a book written by a German author, written in English
Its a fantasy book inspired by English Mythology, set in Arthurian times
Now imagine there is a female warrior in said story named Richard or Chad
That's how jarring it is

>>20367263
Yeah seems like you really do have mental issues, as the guy you're replying to isn't even me
Seek help

[Anonymous No.20367270]

>>20367115
>>20367230
>>20367263
I will never read this series now so thanks for the warning about the type it appeals to.

[Anonymous No.20367273]

I miss Syrio Forel

[8,9 of 20 (Current: Mother of (...) No.20367274]

Been around a month since I last posted in thread. Working on a move and a new job, so all my reading has been for business rather than... self-flagellation. I'm around 1/5 of the way through Mother of Learning at this point and can only say its just 'okay'. Very simple magic system based off of DnD but the author seems to be moving towards a niche for the MC. The MC is a shitty character and is overshadowed by his supporting cast frequently.

Everyone says this story is supposedly a banger, along the same lines of Cradle but I'm struggling to keep interest. Zorian's response to his time loop is so casual that it takes all potency out of it. There's an escalating conflict in the story... somewhere? Unfortunately the last time I was updated on it, as a reader, it was in a 2 page exposition dump between Zorian and a psychic spider. The entirety of investigation regarding the time loop is regulated off screen.

Point of the story seems to be the hard magic system and building up on the concepts therein, but just as you're getting comfortable with one direction it changes. Spell formulae was replaced within a chapter by mind magic and now the MC is a secret empath. This was set up just fine ahead of time, it just seems like the author can't decide what they want our MC to do with all this time... so he doesn't do much at all. It's training but after establishing a rough idea of what the training might be (and under who's tutelage), they push all the actual participation and learning off screen.

I'll stick with it but this is a slog so far. In comparison, I've been listening to Soulhome by Sarah Lin on audiobook when I've been going to the gym. Though its a time loop story of sorts like MoL, it dives directly into its cultivation system and stays there. The MC of this story has lived an entire life, cultivated an entire path, and knows which features of his soulhome that he needs to improve. Building a strong foundation becomes literal as one is assembling a yard and basement for their soulhome - an internal tower of cultivation.

Previous Scores:
>Cradle by Will Wight - 9/10
>Forge of Destiny by Yrsillar - 7/10
>A Thousand Li by Tao Wong - 7/10
>Virtuous Sons by Ya Boy - 6/10
>Bastion by Phil Tucker - 6/10
>Reverend Insanity by Gu Zhen Ren - 4/10
>Reincarnation: Threads by Michael Head - 3/10
>Last Ship in Suzhou by Lungs - 0/10 (Dropped)

Pending Scores:
>Mother of Learning by 'Nobody103'
>Soulhome - Weirkey Chronicles 1 by Sarah Lin

Up Next:
>Ave Xia Rem Y by Mat Haz

[Anonymous No.20367276]

>>20367263
Ah I see. You are retarded. Let me help you, I didn't say anything about women as I was not that anon.

[Anonymous No.20367284]

>>20367270
Even brainlets can like good stuff sometimes anon. I've not read that book, but I have enjoyed some of John Gwynne's other books.

[Anonymous No.20367285]

>>20367284
not him but i won't read it because the author has a female last name

[Anonymous No.20367288]

>>20367285
kek

[Anonymous No.20367291]

I will never read anti-chud fiction.

[Anonymous No.20367292]

What are some fantasy series with a world that feels old and real and lived in and not like an on rails amusement park ride where I'm taken from one scene to another

[8,9 of 20 (Current: Mother of (...) No.20367298]

>>20367274
Going to repost my current recommendation list, along with the reading guides I've been sent before...

Definite Reads (5+ Recs):
>Worm by 'Wildbow'
>The Wandering Inn by 'Pirateaba'
>Ave Xia Rem Y by Mat Haz
>Lord of Mysteries by 'Cuttlefish'

Tentative Recommendations (2+ Recs):
>Ascendance of a Bookworm by Miya Kazuki
>Soulship by Nathan Thompson
>Heaven's Laws by Apollos Thorne
>Sufficiently Advanced Magic by Andrew Rowe
>The World After the Fall by Sing-Shong
>The Second Coming of Gluttony by Ro Yu-jin
>A Practical Guide to Evil by ERRATICERRATA

Thread Recs::
>Defiance of the Fall by TheFirstDefier
>Infinite Realm: Monsters & Legends by Ivan Kal
>Web of Secrets by David Musk

Chopping Block (2+ Discouraged):
>Coiling Dragon by Wo Chi Xi Hong Shi
>The Menocht Loop by Lorne Ryburn

[Anonymous No.20367336]

>>20367084
>>20367151
I always thought this was just an autistic nitpick because of a slight mistake in his writing, so did Dany grow up in Dorne for a bit? Why wouldn't quentin have mentioned that before getting sautéed by her dragons?

[Anonymous No.20367504]

>>20367298
>>20367274

Basing on what you've written you are still in the first Arc of MoL, only around 20 chapters in (although close to its end), when things are still begining to roll. I believe it's the second arc when people generally start falling for MoL, but you will see that for yourself. It seems you have some misconceptions about the story due to the point you are at, I think it could be said Arc 2 is where the story actually starts, Arc 1 being more of a prologue. But yeah, looking back I can understand from where you come from, but that's just the thing webnovels, authors tend to get better as the story progresses. TWI is the strongest example of that.

If you want some concrete motivation, then I can't recall a single negative review of MoL. People at most whine about the prose not being great (the author isn't english native), but not one person has said that MoL is bad, and I browse a lot of webnovels circles. It's a go-to webnovel for a reason, basically everyone likes it.

Btw, I recommended you Web of Secrets, but more as a curiosity about Xianxia in contemporary times, it's only 'okay' story. Considering the things you've written so far, I think you might not actually like it. It's niche and not popular, just a curiosity if you want to read Cultivation, but with technology.

[Anonymous No.20367510]

>like tolkien
>read tolkiens main books already
>want more tolkien
>start buying more copies of books I already own

[Anonymous No.20367514]

>>20367336
Maybe it was Dorne, maybe it was one of the southern Free Cities, maybe even Oldtown. If it was Dorne, maybe Doran had her hidden somewhere or maybe she was with House Dayne, who are still a complete mystery.

[Anonymous No.20367542]

>>20367274
>Ave Xia Rem Y by Mat Haz
Thought this one was okay, it's pretty slow and generic but it tries to take wuxia and treat it as the basis for a serious modern fantasy.
Unfortunately I ran out of chapters and since it takes the author an absolute age to write each arc (like 70% of the existing text is basically prologue lol) I didn't want to read it as it updated.

[Anonymous No.20367549]

>>20367504
>>20367274
MoL sucks and only gets worse over time. I read almost all the way through it before finally dropping it too. There's literally nothing interesting or engaging in the entire story, every character sucks, the setting sucks, and the plot sucks.
I've said it before, but ultimately it's just a reskinned version of the same timeloop story presented in ALL timeloop stories, which CANNOT be executed well because it's just a shitty boring idea in the first place.

>boring non character loser who everyone hates
>enter timeloop
>grind slimes/library for 800 years
>800 chapters of exposition and infodumps about the writer's autistic magic system fetish
>become super powerful gigachad who bangs all the girls
>everyone loves MC now because he's autistically stalked and interrogated them all hundreds of times and constructed a web of psychoanalytic manipulation designed to brainwash them in the minimum time possible
>timeskip several times to justify angsty teen rebellion
>start monologuing about the despair of immortality and how "no one really understands me!"
>invent bullshit memory/soul/etc magic to drag other NPCs into the loop so they can be your sycophants/cockslaves
>setup ridiculous rube goldberg "final loop" which "solves everything", mostly by torturing and killing everyone the MC doesn't like
>and they all lived happily ever after as omnipotent asshole gods

Five times I've read this happen. And every time it took over a million words to do it.

[Anonymous No.20367573]

>first book is a rape/despair porn
>the rest is space opera with the rape victim promoted to main character

[Anonymous No.20367575]

>>20367549
Just because there's a TEMPLATE for time loop story doesn't mean it's a bad template. Thousands of fantasy books are made from the same templates, with some minor variations. And yet the diffrences in quality among them are extreme and some are trash while others become classics. So in short, I absolutely disagree. This type for story is just not for you.

>Five times I've read this happen. And every time it took over a million words to do it.
Unironically please tell me those stories' names Anon, because I haven't seen any story similar to Mother of Learning so far and I'm eager to read more. And no, Menocht Loop isn't even a real time loop story and Blessed Return is trash, if you meant them.

[Anonymous No.20367604]

>>20367549
You sound mad.
Why would you seethe so much about a book that you didn't like?

[Anonymous No.20367614]

>>20367575
God, the thought of actually recommending this kind of thing is anathema to me. I've mostly forgotten them aside from the first one I read, which is so incredibly infamous for how awful it is I occasionally see people discussing it even now.
It's a naruto fanfic called Chunin exam day by Perfect Lionheart
Looking at it now, it's actually much shorter than I thought, maybe that explains why I managed to finish it, or maybe it's just because I was reading it as it came out.

>>20367604
Why does everyone constantly tell me I sound mad about things?

[Anonymous No.20367615]

>>20367604
why would he seethe about a book he likes? that makes no sense idiot

[Anonymous No.20367617]

>>20367614
asking someone why he's mad is the feminine passive aggressive way to approach disagreement

[Anonymous No.20367624]

>>20367614
Fanfiction? Ugh. I'm not a fan of them, even if Time Loop fanfic of ASOAIF 'Purple Days' is quite decent. But I'm not American, so I didn't see a single episode of Naruto. Honestly, the obsession with that series is weird to me, people all around keep talking and writing about it. What's so good about it?
Anyway, thanks for an actual recommendation Anon.

[Anonymous No.20367625]

>>20367615
Instead of seething about a book/genre he doesn't like, he could coom about a book/genre that he does like.

[Anonymous No.20367678]

>>20365400
mind you, i've barely reached halfway into the volume.
the arsenal raid was a weird clusterfuck, but what followed was pretty engaging imo
>the mirror knight getting uppity and the tensions leading up to the white knight restraining him
>the red axe plot in general
>MC vibing with the kingfisher prince
although i was slightly dissapointed the red axe plot wasn't solved differently. i thought it had potential to be more.
on a different note, i found it weird how nephele (repentant magister) died so suddenly, it felt like EE had more plans for her but then decided to scrap the character.
there's more i liked but i won't list all of it here cause that would take a while.

now that i'm nearing the end (or at least starting to get close to the last volume), i'm a bit worried about how akua will be handled, or how the ending will be handled in general, and if i'll be satisfied with it. see >>20364077

[Anonymous No.20367728]

>>20367298
>The Second Coming of Gluttony
god i'm so mad about this one. it started off with a unlikeable MC and it eventually evolved into something pretty amazing, only to fall apart because the MC is a gary stu, the signs of a harem were starting to show and the MC turns out to be unlikeable and bland after all. i dropped pretty abruptly it after 300-something chapters. it might have been premature but it felt like i saw the writing on the wall.

i won't discourage you from reading it, because it had some outstanding 'fuck yeah' moments, but there are flaws.

[Anonymous No.20367754]

>>20367614
>>20367549
>Why does everyone constantly tell me I sound mad about things?
Because what you wrote doesn't sound like MoL at all. At the very least it sound disingenuous:
>grind slimes/library for 800 years
>800 chapters of exposition and infodumps about the writer's autistic magic system fetish
>become super powerful gigachad who bangs all the girls
And if you have to exaggerate to this extent, it gives of the impression that you lack a cool head to judge the series in a objective way i.e. that you're mad about MoL for some reason.

[Anonymous No.20367791]

>>20367573
That's kinda Donaldson's thing
He's really into exploring what happens after something horrific is done

[Anonymous No.20367803]

>>20365482
Jesus H. Christ. Some anon recommended Old Man's War to me and I almost bought it. That's kicked off my list now.

[Anonymous No.20367810]

>>20367624
>What's so good about it?
It's obviously incomplete, which is fanfic bait.
In other words, it introduces lots of potentially interesting setting/character details, but then ignores them and never elaborates on anything while the plot gets dragged along rails to the finish line.
So actually the same reason Harry Potter fanfiction was/is so popular.

Also a reminder that sometimes leaving things deliberately unexplained actually increases audience engagement, as the readers all speculate on what they think the answer is.
Another reason I dislike timeloop stories.

[Anonymous No.20367813]

>>20367803
>t. chud who is too insecure to be a cuck

[Anonymous No.20367836]

>>20366189
Empire of the East

[Anonymous No.20367848]

>>20367754
Exaggeration isn't a sign of anger, nor is generalization.
Deviation from the outline doesn't save the story, and for MoL specifically while it doesn't apply to the MC, it ACTUALLY DOES apply to the real protagonist of the loop, to the point the author seems to be self aware of the stereotype
There's nothing interesting to me in timeloop stories, they're basically just utopian fantasies, entirely passive/reactive in nature, and lacking in any conflict.
As an exercise, imagine a story exactly the same length as MoL, with the same characters/setting/etc..., but with no timeloop. Everything that happens occurs in one single shot, following a conventional narrative structure.
Isn't that obviously a superior story?

[Anonymous No.20367851]

>>20366789
The Thief series by Megan Whalan Turner. Doomsday Book is not YA trash - the parts in our time are kind of lame (though maybe I wouldn't think so now, given current events) but the parts in the plague years are marvelously realized and engrossing.

[Anonymous No.20367862]

>>20367848
>Isn't that obviously a superior story?
No, because there is no loop.

[Anonymous No.20367897]

>>20367862
What does the loop add?

[Anonymous No.20367912]

Ok so I know it's reddit but forgive me
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/up7yz9/how_martin_lost_his_way_spoilers_published/
Basically whoever thinks this is a tasteless piece of shit and fuck you

[Anonymous No.20367915]

>>20367897
The looping.

[Anonymous No.20367916]

>>20367851
kek, true i did a double take when i read "the Pandemic" and i was like "huh??? isn't this book old?????"
according to my kindle, i'm only 10% so i'll tell you what, if this ends up being good, i'll add this thief series to muh list

[Anonymous No.20367918]

>>20367916
>i'm only 10%
10% in

[Anonymous No.20367927]

>>20367915
That's why it should be removed.

[Anonymous No.20367929]

>>20367897
NTA but a loop would allow an author to explore the world they've created. The protagonist can takes risks and gambles they usually wouldn't be able to take, like breaking into a royal vault to steal a magic dagger and being hunted to death by the government.
It allows the protagonist to undertake endeavors beyond their abilities through repetition and knowledge, without making the story feel like a non loop story where the Gary Stu protagonist just blows through all opposition.

[Anonymous No.20367933]

>>20367927
Or maybe you should just not read the only book that has a time loop.

[Anonymous No.20367937]

Another thread where nobody will read Martian Time-Loop.

[Anonymous No.20367944]

>>20367803
the first book in the series starts with the main character teaming up with a clever old woman to verbally btfo a dumb ignorant conservaboomer with facts, logic and quips. it's unironically the gayest thing i've ever read in a book.
that said, for some reason i enjoyed the rest of the books, didn't see much problems with them and even thought it had some humanity fuck yeah moments, such as humanity using its ingenuity and cleverness to destroy the combined fleet of alien NATO which features one vessel from each of the 1000 or so known intelligent races

the books were so non-faggy that i was later shocked to find out the author, john scalzi, was the guy who coined the disgusting "being white is like playing a videogame on easy difficulty" trope. idk if you can coin a trope, but he came up with that.

[Anonymous No.20367952]

>>20367944
this is actually an analogy, not a trope. forgive me, i'm very tired

[Anonymous No.20367969]

This is the most generic shit ever. All the names even sound like they were pulled from a fantast name generator, he clearly made them up on the spot as he went along. Why are these books popular? Is it just appeal to the lowest common denominator? There's literally nothing original in them

[Anonymous No.20367971]

>>20366713
Yes

[Anonymous No.20367974]

>>20367969
>Is it just appeal to the lowest common denominator?
Yes. They're the written equivalent of Marvel movies, normoids eat that shit up. It allows them to look smarter than their other normie friends because they do something "sophisticated", like reading things, without actually requiring them to have a brain.

[Anonymous No.20367976]

Are there any books where the big reveal is that magic is actually nanomachines, demons/spirits/etc are actually AI, monsters are genetically engineered, and so on?
If not then it's OC donut steel

[Anonymous No.20367977]

>>20367929
>without making the story feel like a non loop story where the Gary Stu protagonist just blows through all opposition.
But that's exactly what it does. The timeloop part may attempt to justify those actions, but the same exact thing happens either way.
Wouldn't it be a better story if additional thought and writing went into making that daring breakin actually possible instead of just handwaving it away with a timeloop?

I'm just saying a timeloop story is the equivalent to the MC having canonical exploitable plot armor. Might as well give him teleportation, mind control, regeneration, immortality, a death ray, unbreakable armor, and memory manipulation. Oh wait...

[Anonymous No.20367979]

>>20367976
lord of light i suppose

[Anonymous No.20367981]

>>20367944
>being white is like playing a videogame on easy difficulty
The guy is a member of SFWA, a failing group notable for having several convicted pedophiles as past members and several alleged pedophiles as current members. They're also in a ton of debt because they financed the legal fund of one of their members, Patrick Tomlinson, who thought he could sue people for leaving negative reviews of his shitty books kek.
What a guy

[Anonymous No.20367984]

>>20367974
Figured as much. I hate when I see a book series constantly recommened only to check it out and it's
>Elikhor the accursed and his magic sword, the last of his magical kind is the chosen one!
>also there's a race of (not)elves that do this cool thing!
>all the dragons are different colours too and that means something!
It's just so fucking gay.

[Anonymous No.20367999]

>>20367984
And yet nobody reads the low fantasy original setting stuff.

[Anonymous No.20368019]

>>20367999
What dya mean?

[Anonymous No.20368052]

>Repostan from a thread on /tg/ that went nowhere.

Name me a better action/battle scene writer than Joe Abercrombie.
I mean it. Shit like the Casualties chapter in picrel or duels like Thorn and Grom-Gil-Gorm or the way he describes Ninefingers' battle-trance. No other author can have me catch my breath while reading and I want more like it.

[Anonymous No.20368053]

>>20367981
this doesn't surprise me. these days i assume everyone who loudly proclaims his progressiveness is a scumbag. i mean, what's the point of loudly declaring your agreement with whatever the mainstream and the wealthy and the elite professes? it's already the default and agreed upon ideology. no point other than sycophancy. and if you're a sycophant, chances are you're worse things too.

[Anonymous No.20368063]

>>20368019
I'm just being pissy. I'm an author who wrote a story that isn't the same genreic shit, but people aren't reading it.

[Anonymous No.20368093]

>>20367298
I'd throw in a recommendation for Dungeon Crawler Carl near the end of your reading because it sort of riffs on LitRPG tropes to a point.

[Anonymous No.20368124]

[Anonymous No.20368132]

>>20368124
Pratchett out here with casual threats of murder in response to being questioned about fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20368161]

I want to thank whoever reccomended Guns of Dawn a few threads back, it was very good

[Anonymous No.20368180]

>>20368124
all that cope, lmao

[Anonymous No.20368187]

>>20368124
>The story begins in media res, as gentlewoman Emily Marchwic fights her first battle
never noped out of a book faster than this
>anglo first name, polak last name
>"gentlewoman"
>in media res

[Anonymous No.20368259]

>>20366997
>...

[Anonymous No.20368279]

>20368180
>Gives a well thought answer
>hurr durr cope
pls

[Anonymous No.20368290]

>>20368124
this is almost convincing me to pick up pratchett even though i'm borderline allergic to "funny" books.
vance is the only author who's managed to get me to enjoy humorous writing.

[Anonymous No.20368293]

>>20368290
Pratchett tends to have humour just by the situation itself. There's rarely jokes in so much as it's just a constant satire of the world at large. Some of the satire is a little dated, but some is pretty timeless.

[Anonymous No.20368301]

>>20365825
Is the Amtrak Wars good?

[Anonymous No.20368304]

>>20365826
It’s Homestuck fanfic, what were you expecting?

[Anonymous No.20368320]

>>20367336
It's not even mistake. I don't think it's ever mentioned there are ZERO trees in bravos.

[Anonymous No.20368332]

>>20367969
it's literally bakker but not edgy

[Anonymous No.20368344]

>>20367984
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST WRITE A HERO'S JOURNEY TO APPEAL TO A MASS-MARKET AUDIENCE!!!!

[Anonymous No.20368348]

>>20367984
YOU'RE gay!

[Anonymous No.20368349]

>>20368290
>this is almost convincing me to pick up pratchett even though i'm borderline allergic to "funny" books.
>vance is the only author who's managed to get me to enjoy humorous writing.
Pratchett tends to do insightful satire instead of 'humorous' writing, but I can say that I've never in my life laughed as hard at a book as when reading Pratchett's stories. I recommend starting with stand-alone works of his before tackling 'mini-series' in his Disc series, among which Guards! Guards! is an all time classic. Small Gods may be a good first choice, it's a stand-alone book and amazing at that.

[Anonymous No.20368354]

>>20367937
I read it a while ago and honestly don't remember much
It was alright I guess?

[Anonymous No.20368360]

>>20368349
I've always advocated for just reading Discworld in publication order, though the first two/three are admittedly not as solid. Mort's another good first book to read, but without having experienced Death as a character in the others it does feel a little lacklustre.

[Anonymous No.20368385]

>>20368360
>I've always advocated for just reading Discworld in publication order, though the first two/three are admittedly not as solid. Mort's another good first book to read, but without having experienced Death as a character in the others it does feel a little lacklustre.
I honestly agree, but these days people have short fuse and want to enjoy things right away, especially on 4chan where people want to drop books every second. First Disc books aren't as great as the later ones, even if they are still decent, enjoyable works, so people might get discouraged from reading them. Similar issue to recommending people The Wandering Inn, really. People balk at the amount of books and decide not to read, so you have to throw them a bone.

[Anonymous No.20368401]

>>20368385
Fair enough. I don't think Colour of Magic is that bad, personally. Light Fantastic is honestly worse in a way, it just feels all over the place. Equal Rites is pretty solid, even if the early Weatherwax characterisation feels wrong. And then it's pretty much smooth sailing from then on (I've heard some say they dislike the later books because of how much some characters get pushed to the forefront but, eh, Vimes, Tiffany and Moist are all pretty good).

[Anonymous No.20368461]

I want special snowflake shit
I want no name male MC discovers he's the specialist, most unique important powerful dude stories.

[Anonymous No.20368465]

>>20365890
Elric if you want edge with LOTS of evil magic.

The Dying Earth if you want a sword and sorcery where the main character doesn't solve all his problems by stabbing them.

The Book of the New Sun if you have above a 120 IQ.

Fafrhd and the Gray Mouser is 2 characters but otherwise its what you're looking for- I interpret your request as not wanting multple viewpoint shit.

You can also find a lot of this in fantasy anthologies. Try Lin Carter's Flashing Swords anthologies.

[Anonymous No.20368475]

>>20367851
>The Thief series by Megan Whalan Turner.
My wife forced me to read this. At least the first book is nothing but the main character whining constantly with a bunch of donut steel mythology stuff to break it up. I don't see the appeal, but she claims it "gets better" after the 3rd book.

[Anonymous No.20368490]

>>20368349
>insightful satire
you don't get it, when you say things like this, it sounds like a massive red flag to me
it's like hearing someone tell me "bro you gotta watch this george carlin special, he's telling it like it is"

[Anonymous No.20368497]

>>20368490
Pratchett came across as a very cynical optimist. He genuinely believed in the best of humanity but he wasn't blind to all the shittiness of the world. It comes across pretty well. Again, just give one a read (Small Gods, Guards! Guards! and Mort are the most-often recommended starts for good reasons, though the first three books aren't that bad) and see if it clicks for you. They're not that long.

[Anonymous No.20368503]

>>20368497
>Pratchett came across as a very cynical optimist. He genuinely believed in the best of humanity
now this sounds better and more promising
okay i'll give all three of those books you mentioned a try anon

[Anonymous No.20368508]

>>20368124
He's right and he's based

[Anonymous No.20368525]

>>20368503
Small Gods is probably the best start because it's standalone and apart from Death who shows up in nearly every book there's no characters from the other books in it. I think it takes place in the past, too. I'd recommend getting through Colour of Magic and the rest of the first three early on because they do introduce some important concepts and it's also nice to see his writing evolve. A good notion of the level of optimism Pratchett has is in a later book. This is a quote from the perspective of some weird eldritch thing that can't really block itself off from the rest of the universe so it has to deal with the fact that it's part of something impossibly grand in scale.
>We heard a song, it went 'Twinkle twinkle little star...' What power! What wondrous power! You can take a billion trillion tons of flaming matter, a furnace of unimaginable strength, and turn it into a little song for children! You build little worlds, little stories, little shells around your minds and that keeps infinity at bay and allows you to wake up in the morning without screaming!

[Anonymous No.20368533]

>>20368063
Such is life unfortunately

[Anonymous No.20368536]

>>20368344
It's not so much that as it is that it's just obviously lazy af. He clearly spent five minutes thinking up half the names, there isn't even a grammatical coherency to them, it's like each name was plucked from a different language. Honestly read the Wikipedia, it's the sort of stuff a DM thinks up on the spot for a dnd campaign.

[Anonymous No.20368559]

I've been recently going through Gene Wolfe's bibliography and so far I've read Fifth Head of Cerberus, The Wizard Knight, Long Sun, New Sun, Short Sun and Latro in the Mist. Are all of his other works consistently enjoyable like these ones? I honestly feel like I wouldn't be wasting money if I was to buy his whole library of work.

[Anonymous No.20368562]

Any recommendations for magic realism? It's basically fantasy but the magic is just a bit harder to see.
It's strange how the genre sort of fucks with your brain though. The way the good books are written really messes with your perception of reality.

[Anonymous No.20368595]

>>20368562
>It's strange how the genre sort of fucks with your brain though. The way the good books are written really messes with your perception of reality.
Good fantasy literature tends to provide very strong, coherent view of reality that is very hard to shrug off unless you are older or already have some concrete beliefs. Younger people don't know any better and tend to change views after every book they read. It's good for experiencing foreign views, though.

[Anonymous No.20368603]

I have a hard time with the modern writing style. This is something that I've only become sensitive to after reading a ton of old books. Modern fantasy writing (stuff written after about the 1960s) feels a more like a screenplay. It's too zoomed in and deliberately paced. I haven't completely nailed this down, but these are the main style differences I notice:

-Needless exact quotations instead of summaries ("The path through the mountain is that way" "Ok thanks" vs He showed us the hidden mountain path)
-Needless moment-to-moment descriptions of unimportant character actions, as if giving stage directions. An older writer might just say the character is at a feast. A modern writer feels he must describe the character lifting his cup, chewing, sipping.
-Too much "showing" instead of telling. Instead of saying that a desert is hot, a modern writer has a character wipe sweat from his brow, smack his dry lips together and moan, "by the GODS its hot!" Of course this is pushed by writer's workshops as "good" writing, but ignores that the ability to quickly sum up and deliver information is the strength of the medium over film. My example is what an actor might do for a movie.
-Similar to the above, trying to break up expository dialogs with sex or torture scenes as if it's a TV show that has to keep the ADHD audience engaged.
-This is one most common among female writer: almost deragatory verb choices where it isn't needed. If I read one more time about a character "fumbling to put on his cloak"

Do any of the rest of you notice this kind of thing?

[Anonymous No.20368614]

>>20368063
Is it good though?

[Anonymous No.20368629]

>>20367510
Try E.R. Eddison

[Anonymous No.20368652]

>>20368595
what books involve young human men being cuddled by giant dragons (female) for bedtime snuggles

[Anonymous No.20368668]

>>20368652
Weapons and Wielders. But most of the time she is in human form.

[Anonymous No.20368712]

Trust is very important for anything. Communties don't function well without it. In theory 4chan should be a training ground for developing discernment about who to trust, but that seems to be regularly failed. Instead the most common response is pattern recognition of "If use in-group words, then trust. If use out-group words, distrust".

[Anonymous No.20368725]

What was Tolkien thinking? It really baffles me that Tolkien names all Númenórean kings yet didn't think of naming the Lord's of Andúnië; Aragorn's actual ancestors. Story wise it's a big problem regarding hereditary claims among all the surviving Dúnedain in Middle-Earth.

[Anonymous No.20368744]

>>20368652
Blue Mage Raised by Dragons? I have yet to read it but by the title I bet it would be relevant to your interests

[Anonymous No.20368777]

Any opinions on the series?

[Anonymous No.20368788]

>>20368777
author has a jew name; do not read

[Anonymous No.20368795]

>>20368603
I have never taken as much note of it because I don't read a lot of really old works, but yeah, it seems like an asture observation. And it's totally unsurprising it would be this way. I mean, you almost spell it out yourself: A lot of these modern patterns are akin to stage directions, something you might find in a TV show, etc. Well, just where could it come from then? All these "younger" authors grew up with the new media, it left an impression on them and they try to emulate it. And then you have authors like noone less than GRRM himself, who spent many years of his career writing for Hollywood itself. Afterwards, equipped with all the tricks and quirks he learned from his work on movies and TV shows, he went on to create ASOIAF, which became influental in its own right, indirectly handing down GRRM's Hollywood experience to another generation.

I'm tempted think it's the natural evolution of things. Hollywood and hangers-on have slowly figured out the craft of keeping people engaged, of creating the proverbial "page turners." Their way of doing things actually works better, in the aggregate, than competing styles. So that's what bubbles up to the top of bestseller lists, gets copied by people hoping to achieve success, and finally is taught all the way down in writing workshops.

[Anonymous No.20368806]

>>20368559
People seem to say some of his standalone novels are weaker. The ones I see mentioned are Home Fires and Pirate Freedom from later in his career, and Pandora from earlier in his career. Operation Ares is an exception, his first novel, because it's technically incomplete. The publisher removed huge segments without editing in order to meet a word count.
I read Home Fires and I thought it was good. So I think some of these weaker novels are probably enjoyable, if not as good as his major series.

[Anonymous No.20368826]

>>20368132
It's s-bean behavior

[Anonymous No.20368834]

jolenta booba bouncing in the breeze

[Anonymous No.20368876]

>>20368603
While good part of that is changing trends, the thing with prose reading like screenplay is terribly common. There's way too much description (of almost solely visual details) and very little evocative skilled prose. Blow-by-blow action scenes are for me personally the worst offender. They are so painfully boring.

Probably it's due to both audiences and writers being inured to the narratives of moving picture shows to the point they can't quite fathom that written word could be something else.

[Anonymous No.20368893]

>>20368053
>>20367981
I noticed Scalzi being a regular at the Hugos despite being a white male, but never put 2 and 2 together. Figures his laurels would rest on sucking up to the progressive overlords/being part of the goodthinkful clique.

[Anonymous No.20368895]

>>20368052
Gorst 'tism kino

[Anonymous No.20368920]

>>20367971
Based.

[Anonymous No.20368935]

>>20367974
This was my immediate impression too. I read the first two books of Stormlight and enjoyed them. Immediately I thought that this was a Marvel movie in book form. It's too bad quality gets even worse after book two.

[Anonymous No.20369044]

>>20367754
He was correct. Mol is terrible. I guess it is great for target audience which is mainly some kind of social outcast who needs to justify his own lack of social skills or lack of any kind of willpower to do basic everyday things and live someone else fantasy of interacting with large number of people (and majority of them females). Thats what mol is really all about. Any normal person will find boring and unappealing.

[Anonymous No.20369105]

>>20368052
Aside from the action scenes would you consider Joe Abercrombie worth reading? Where should I start?

[Anonymous No.20369128]

>>20368052
There are so many memorable fight scenes. They just feel so visceral as if I'm being sucked into the action. I really like how he started having chapters with shifting povs right in the middle of the action. I have to say that after this new trilogy my favorite character has become Clover.

[8,9 of 20 (Current: Mother of (...) No.20369161]

>>20367504
You're correct, I wrapped up Arc 1 last night. Not a bad finale to the first part compared to the rest of what's going on. I'll give Arc 2 a fair shake. It was pretty clear near the start that the writer is a non-english speaking native. His methods of character writing tend to come from a direct template and his narrative voice is limited.

My biggest take-away after reading the first 7 books (and I think I've mentioned this in my previous reviews), is the importance of narrative voice in these stories. Most of them lack a coherent one and each one that manages to pull it off almost always rates a 6 or above for me. Unfortunately, all the young characters in MoL are written exactly the same. His sister and most of the aranea, for example. Starting to think I'm too critical of these Royal Road submissions.

Appreciate your recommendations as always. Different systems of cultivation is always a plus.

>>20367542
Didn't hear how extensive the prologue was but that seems to be the case with a bulk of these cultivation books... My interest in Ave Xia Rem Y is that basis for something more serious. Think the trick to writing this is having the adventure before your system. Most of these stories feel directionless outside of 'we're Chinese Harry Potter, look!'

>>20367549
>>20367848
Don't think I'm as worn out on time loops as you are, but I completely understand where you're coming from. Though its not the case here, by the time we see the loop in action you're brining an overpowered element from the future and giving them a second chance with something they've already dominated. Even though you have the opportunity to explore both their original decision and deviations within, very rarely does the author give you anything informative or deep from this reboot. It's always just 'ah, I recall this happening on the evening of the spring dingle equinox... Only then can I cultivate Three Bears Pissing Divine Water defense form. Shishishi.'

There must be a better way of representing the loop and I haven't found a Wuxia book yet that handles it well.

>>20368093
Reminds me that something called Beware of Chicken (pic related) was recommended to me for parody of wuxia/litrpg tropes too. I'll add both to my Thread Rec section.

[Anonymous No.20369165]

>>20369105
Yeah action can actually be a bit sparse through the stories and just pops up at an appropriate occasion. The characters are all pretty likable despite being mostly bad people. I find his prose rather engaging as well. The first trilogy is a bit ambling but good. The first standalone is a revenge story 2 is a 3 day battle and the 3rd is a western. The second trilogy is based of the French revolution.

[Anonymous No.20369176]

>>20369165
Awesome thanks for all the information I'll grab his stuff!

[Anonymous No.20369209]

>>20368052
pic related

[Anonymous No.20369316]

>>20369161
>Reminds me that something called Beware of Chicken (pic related) was recommended to me for parody of wuxia/litrpg tropes too. I'll add both to my Thread Rec section.
Huh, I thought you've already read Dungeon Crawler Carl or rejected it, strange you don't already have it on the list. You definitely should read it, personally I believe it's the best 'LitRPG' story among those where the game elements are ubiquitous and important, compared to 'lite' LitRPGs like The Wandering Inn. The story, characters and the overall solid message/theme elevate the story to something that should easily land on a bestseller list if it was officialy published. I believe it's one of the 'great works' of the webnovels, standing there with MoL, TWI, Worm and PGTE.
Definitely recommend it.

[Anonymous No.20369447]

any books where the author uses plain / generic language to disambiguate a futuristic setting as possibly being contemporary?
The only parallel example i can think of is the tartar steppe which takes place sometime between between the 18th and 20th century in a vaguely European borderland and will mention real countries but never anything that grounds it to a specific date or era

[Anonymous No.20369454]

>>20367260
>let me judge this 2500 page saga after reading the prologue
Kellhus is not the main character, for starters

[Anonymous No.20369497]

>>20369161
Dungeon Crawler Carl and Beware of Chicken take the examination of the genres in very different directions, I believe. Beware of Chicken's protagonist is basically not interested in the ambition-driven power-game of cultivation xianxia shit, and Dungeon Crawler Carl's protagonist is basically just a guy on a slow burn journey of pure rage at how fucked up his situation is. Basically one's a protagonist taking it easy in a serious fucked-up world, the other's a protagonist taking it very seriously in a goofy fucked-up world.

[Anonymous No.20369502]

>>20369316
What exactly IS the theme/message of DCC? "Don't lose sight of your humanity"?

[Anonymous No.20369511]

>>20365825
balrog too tall

[Anonymous No.20369521]

>>20369209
I like how he wrote duels and the shield wall battles in his Last Kingdom series, is his Arthur series good?

[Anonymous No.20369553]

>>20369502
>What exactly IS the theme/message of DCC? "Don't lose sight of your humanity"?
I believe the message are very clear, it's anarchist/socialist message of "Workers of the galaxy unite, all you can lose is your chains." It has the most anti-corporation/anti-capitalistic message out of any webnovel I've read. One has to be blind to not see it.

[Anonymous No.20369561]

>>20369553
I suppose that's true too. That's just such a ubiquitous message in anything dealing with corporations these days I sort of glossed over it, but I suppose Carl does inadvertently start a civil war and continuously does as much as he can to fuck up Borant.

[Anonymous No.20369621]

>>20369447
What the fuck is with these autistic requests?

[Anonymous No.20369659]

>the andromeda strain
it was good but the ending was not satisfactory. Any other crighton kino worth reading? I've read Sphere and Andromeda Strain. Or anything similar, fuck.

[Anonymous No.20369664]

>>20368525
I don't quite know why Small Gods is a common rec, I don't think it's all that great of a discworld book. I generally prefer his later stuff, though, and think Going Postal is the best of them all.

[Anonymous No.20369667]

no god series wHEN

[Anonymous No.20369686]

>>20369664
It's a solid standalone, early enough that you don't have to understand other references (even the later standalones included references, like Vimes in Monstrous Regiment), and it's got some solid exploration of religion and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.20369705]

>>20369686
It's the exploration of religion that I don't think is all that compelling. Good Omens had a lot more interesting things to say on it, I thought, and without Gaimain's influence it's just kind of bland. I also thought Good Omens was a lot more interesting in that aspect than American Gods, so maybe they just sparked better ideas about it working off each other than alone.

[Anonymous No.20369727]

>>20369705
Well, Good Omens is about contemporary religion, Small Gods is about the nature of religion as a whole, and American Gods is more about what becomes of religions over time.

[Anonymous No.20369728]

any recommendations for time travel stories ?
preferably ones where a character is attempting to defy a preordained fate or is being manipulated by some higher being without knowing it.

[Anonymous No.20369730]

i just finished I shall seal the heavens book 4, it was good

[Anonymous No.20369736]

>>20369728
Discword: Night Watch
Gook Webnovel: Second Coming of Gluttony
Murder Mystery: The Seven and a Half Deaths of Evelyn Hardcastle

[Anonymous No.20369741]

>>20369736
thank you.

[Anonymous No.20369744]

>>20369454
>opening on a prologue about character that isn't the protagonist
Hack TV writing.

[Anonymous No.20369867]

>>20369521
yeah, it's fantastic. i personally like it more than the last kingdom, it's a very different take on the arthurian tales. i'm not gonna call it "historically accurate" since we don't really know that much about the Britons, but it feels like a very "authentic" cultural depiction - it's very internally coherent, the way the characters live and think about their world. great characters too, and great protagonist.

[Anonymous No.20369897]

>still haven't chosen another novel to read
>decide to read the pdf of all the notes you find in the video game Grim Dawn
Fuck this writing is too good and most of this feels refreshing since my first playthrough of the full game was eons ago. Any stories that are pieced together through notes and writings found instead of an overhead narrative? All I know of is world war z.

[Anonymous No.20369938]

>>20369728
Stainless Steel Rat Saves the Universe

[Anonymous No.20369967]

>>20369897
>Fuck this writing is too good and most of this feels refreshing since my first playthrough of the full game was eons ago. Any stories that are pieced together through notes and writings found instead of an overhead narrative? All I know of is world war z.
Movie 'Memento' is kinda like that, I guess. Other than that, Dark Souls game series.

[Anonymous No.20369968]

>>20367976
Scrapped Princess. All magic is technology, the gods are intelligent weapons that were designed by humans of ages past, and the prophecy calling for the death of the protagonist is bullshit cooked up by the AI's to make the humans do their bidding. In fact the japs used to be really fond in general of the twist "Surprise, this backwards medieval fantasy is actually the post-apocalypse!" before isekai steamrolled everything.

[Anonymous No.20370321]

>>20369728
The Guns of the South

[Anonymous No.20370328]

Is The Witcher the only franchise wherein the adaptations are better than the source material?

[Anonymous No.20370331]

>>20365825
I loved red rising. It made me recover my love for fiction. It's a honest series. Even tho we all wish humans were created equal they will never be.

What did you guys think about it?

[Anonymous No.20370375]

"like one of Hitler's ruthless minions"

wtf bros?

[Anonymous No.20370393]

>>20370375
admittedly, reading chink fiction makes you wish you were a jew at auschwitz getting shoved into a gas chamber

[Anonymous No.20370398]

What the fuck, I can’t believe I was about to read The Bone Ships without looking up the author

[Anonymous No.20370399]

>>20370331
Needed more graphic depictions of Gold slags getting TITUSED

[Anonymous No.20370403]

>>20370375
>>20370393
Fun fact: It is clear in I shall seal the heavens book 4 that the parrot rapes its opponents

And the protagonist during those 25% that she comments only killed whoever tried to kill him lol lmao even

[Anonymous No.20370415]

>>20370398
Is he just ugly or does the interview reveal him to be another generic woketard?

[Anonymous No.20370431]

>>20370415
I have no idea, I thought at first he was a tranny but all the websites call him a “he”, but in some pictures he legitimately looks like a woman so I don’t know what the fuck to believe

[Anonymous No.20370464]

>>20370398
>>20370415
>>20370431
maybe he used to be a tranny but de-transitioned? that face is certainly one affected by HRT

[Anonymous No.20370491]

>>20370328
Well the games are set after the books so idk if that really counts as an adaptation but it is somewhat decent, however the show is hot garbage

[Anonymous No.20370587]

>>20369454
Kellhus is the main character after the first couple.

[Anonymous No.20370601]

Vance has ruined all other fantasy for me. No other writer has better prose, except maybe Wolfe. Recommend me some other fantasy authors that use lovely language (aside from Wolfe, Vance, and Peake)

[Anonymous No.20370603]

>>20367916
Well if you don't like Doomsday book come back and say so and I'll tell you why you have no taste.

[Anonymous No.20370610]

>>20368332
You have to go back.

[Anonymous No.20370612]

>>20370331
Darrow is going to die in Lightbringer

[Anonymous No.20370622]

>>20368475
Your wife has superior taste. The main character isn't whining constantly, he just knows what's being asked of him. He's griping, not sniveling. He doesn't like it, but he does his duty and he's still out-clevering his opponents, so many moves ahead they can't see it. I don't think it gets better after book three, it gets a little darker. First three books are the best. Later on, MC has to rely on ruthlessness as well as craftiness, and doesn't like it. I think the author was going through a bad patch. But it rights itself in the end. You won't like it, you got filtered by book one. But for anyone else, if you like a chess player hero who wins through dedication, deception and sacrifice, you might want to give this a shot.

[Anonymous No.20370628]

>>20370601
Tchaikovsky, Bujold, Susanna Clarke

[Anonymous No.20370636]

>>20367115
The story was alright. Pretty generic, but interesting. The characters were very generic, and it was annoying that many had similar sounding names. Keeping them all straight was a chore until about 3/4 through.

But honestly, I just don't like his writing style. It was pretty juvenile prose, with nothing particularly enticing.

[Anonymous No.20370653]

>>20370601
Vance's prose is one of those vases-faces things where you can read it in a way that seems cringy and stilted and then it clicks and is brilliant. Can't think of anyone in fantasy who can match it. If you can skip genres, try Patrick O'Brian's sea stories. First because they're great, but also because there's an elliptical, indirect, imblying quality to the writing that's similar to Vance. If that's part of what you like about it give it a go and forgive the first two books.

>>20370628
Clarke I can agree with, similarly mannered, perfect tone, period appropriate. She has great instincts and great control. Bujold is a great storyteller, but I never thought much of her as a stylist. Tchaikovsky I haven't read.

[Anonymous No.20370663]

>>20370653
I suppose Bujold isn't consistently styling her entire narrative in that sense, she just always pops to mind for me because her best monologues are so perfectly beautiful.
Tchaikovsky I'm really only thinking of Guns of the Dawn where he's actively aping Jane Austen, but he does it extremely well.

[Anonymous No.20370664]

>>20370601
clark ashton smith, his zothique series inspied vance's dying earth right down to the stilted baroque language.
Dan simmons in parts in hyperion (particularly for the writer) uses language at will, it is supremely effortless, i have read such skill in any other work

[Anonymous No.20370666]

I’m not a fan of Tolkien’s prose

[Anonymous No.20370669]

>>20370664
*not read

[Anonymous No.20370678]

>>20370375
women reviewers, book was literally auschwitz and mc a hitler youth, kek

[Anonymous No.20370690]

>>20370601
Shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.20370694]

>>20370331
Pretty good, and I like the darker tone of the iron gold trilogy. My biggest gripe is the whole minds eye thing with Lysander. I know it's sci-fi and all, but nothing like that was ever mentioned in the original trilogy, and Jackal clone is also kinda lame.

[Anonymous No.20370695]

>>20370603
kek. this book is a hoot man

[Anonymous No.20370713]

>First novel is absolute kino and set the foundation for a promising series.
>The following novels range from mediocre to godawful and make you question if the first novel was just a fluke.
Any other fantasy series like this?

[Anonymous No.20370723]

>>20370713
It was probably done on purpose. Write good novel, get straight white male reader hooked up then bring homos, niggers and sjw garbage in following books and try to brainwash the reader.

[Anonymous No.20370736]

>>20370601
Avram Davidson

[Anonymous No.20370763]

>>20370723
What other series are like this? Besides WoT and Sanderson

[Anonymous No.20370889]

Any recommendations for books that are fun in the audio format? I'm a delivery driver, so I have 10-11 hours a day where I can just listen to things. I've had a great deal of enjoyment listening to Wolfe, his prose is wonderful when spoken.

[Anonymous No.20370905]

>>20370889
Joe Abercrombie's First law books. There are 9.5 of them. The narrator is one of my favorites. His performance is excellent.

[Anonymous No.20370926]

>>20370713
southern reach trilogy. wtf happened

[Anonymous No.20370980]

>>20370889
I've found that its better to listen to history rather than narrative fiction while you're working because it matters less if you miss a little bit.

[Anonymous No.20370985]

>>20365825
Are any of the Han Solo Star Wars books worth reading if I want something cheesy but fun?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3600027-the-han-solo-trilogy

[Anonymous No.20370989]

>>20370723
>>>20370713
>It was probably done on purpose. Write good novel, get straight white male reader hooked up then bring homos, niggers and sjw garbage in following books and try to brainwash the reader.

Why was this deleted? It seems like legitimate criticism to me. Reminds me of the Bezek anime I watched as a kid.

[Anonymous No.20371037]

>>20366189
The Gone Away World by Nick Harkaway

[Anonymous No.20371045]

>>20367336
Quentyn would not necessarily know about her being there, in fact he probably wouldn't. Best to keep that kinda thing a secret.

[Anonymous No.20371055]

>>20368603
i haven't noticed any of this and now you've pointed it out i'm doomed to notice it constantly. thanks cunt.

[Anonymous No.20371060]

>>20367336
Dany distinctly remembers a lemon tree then in adwd someone in bravos explicitly states that lemons can't grow there. PJ went into some autistic detail on it.
https://youtu.be/V6ELfujEbJ4

[Anonymous No.20371062]

>>20370628
>Tchaikovsky
lmao

[Anonymous No.20371084]

>>20371055
Just don’t be autistic like that anon and you’ll be fine.

[Anonymous No.20371093]

>>20371060
She's a warg

[Anonymous No.20371109]

>>20371093
>She's a warg
>Shows no warg abilities
stop being a retard.

[Anonymous No.20371173]

>>20371109
>>20371093
No bro don't you understand she lived in bravos but wargged a random cat 2000 miles south in tyrosh to look at a lemon tree. This makes way more sense than grrm hinting at her having false memories. Something that he has never done with other characters.

[Anonymous No.20371181]

>>20371173
>This makes way more sense than grrm hinting at her having false memories. >Something that he has never done with other characters.
Did you even read the books? Did you even read Sansa?

[Anonymous No.20371198]

>>20371181
I'd say that Sansa's memory of the Hound during the Blackwater is more of an evolving fantasy than a false memory. It happened, but Sansa makes it more intimate every time she thinks back on it.

[Anonymous No.20371205]

>>20371181
Take the hint

[Anonymous No.20371206]

>>20371181
>Did you even read Sansa?
Should have been a red flag that he didn't even read the first book considering the false memories involving Sansa.

[Anonymous No.20371233]

>>20371198
Just say you didn’t read the books.

[Anonymous No.20371308]

>>20371060
>PJ went into some autistic detail on it.
Who?

[Anonymous No.20371329]

>>20371308
Preston Jacob's, the most thorough asoiaf youtuber

[Anonymous No.20371340]

I picked up "the darkness that comes before" from my thrift store the other day and finished the prologue just now.
Does it get better? I hate using this word because most of the time it's an empty criticism, but it was extremely pretentious.

[Anonymous No.20371342]

>>20371340
>Does it get better?
No.

[Anonymous No.20371348]

>>20371340
No

[Anonymous No.20371353]

>>20371340
No

[Anonymous No.20371358]

>>20370713
Gor, Forever War, Hyperion, Zones of Thought just off the top of my head. About half of all SF series can be described like that, and the other half are just consistently mediocre.

>>20370989
50/50 if you insult women or niggers around here some purple haired cunt janny will delete your post and write you a warning.
>captcha waman

[Anonymous No.20371361]

>>20371329
Again, I have no idea who that is.

[Anonymous No.20371362]

>>20371342
>>20371348
>>20371353
Oh boy. Starting to rethink my "finish every book you start" pledge.

[Anonymous No.20371368]

>>20371362
It’s better if you just drop it now and read the next book on your list.

[Anonymous No.20371375]

>>20371340
You got jebaited, my friend. Never fall for autistic spam shilling.

[Anonymous No.20371379]

>>20370713
I kept following Anthony Ryan hoping he'd show some sign of brilliance like Blood Song again, but alas after 4 books I had to give it up. Such a disappointment.

[Anonymous No.20371383]

>>20371358
>Zones of Thought
>let's create an incredibly fascinating universe, set up a great plot premise and then spend 60% of the book on the political machinations of talking dogs and resolve everything in the the span of 5 pages with a wave of an intergalactic wand
I was so mad. You're telling me this was the best book in the series and the others are worse? Fucking hell, the others must be rough

[Anonymous No.20371384]

>>20371362
You should. It's an incredibly stupid pledge. But don't listen to those retards, the book certainly gets better after the prologue.

[Anonymous No.20371387]

>>20371362
You can't finish this series because it's unfinished and never going to be

[Anonymous No.20371388]

>>20371362
That pledge is absolute nonsense. It's extremely liberating once you stop forcing yourself to finish shit you don't enjoy reading.

[Anonymous No.20371394]

>>20369968
>In fact the japs used to be really fond in general of the twist "Surprise, this backwards medieval fantasy is actually the post-apocalypse!" before isekai steamrolled everything.
it's when I realized I don't really have an issue with isekai itself, it's the "everything operates like a video game" that annoys me.

[Anonymous No.20371396]

>>20367298
I get that the Wizard Knight is literally a isenai story, as we currently conceive it, but it's still kinda funny to group it with the others there, when it's so much better than the rest combined.

[Anonymous No.20371397]

>>20370601
I like Vance because he seemed to be a natural at engaging writing. You can spot pitfalls where a lesser writer would fall in and start overly describing things just to get across what a great idea he has, but Vance resists this and lets the subject breathe on its own.

[Anonymous No.20371400]

>>20371394
I hate that shit. Its popularity doesn't even seem to have a basis in reality, it exists and gets views purely because Amazon's algorithm spits it up constantly, resulting in KU hits, which dupes more people into creating it, which results in the algorithm spitting it up even more. Nobody actually even likes it.

[Anonymous No.20371403]

>>20371394
What you're fed up with isn't isekai, it's Narou-kei. The issue is that there is this self-publishing website in Japan called Shousetsuka ni Narou (tl: Let's become a novelist), commonly referred to as just "Narou". This site is what spawned virtually every popular isekai of the last 10 years, plus several fantasy stories that "feel like" isekai, because they have a lot of the same cliches and tropes as these isekai stories. It's not about isekai, it's about Narou tropes.

Narou is the source of too many popular series to list, just read the wikipedia page to get an idea of how prolific this website's influence is in the industry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dsetsuka_ni_Nar%C5%8D
Just some highlights
>KonoSuba
>Log Horizon
>Overlord
>Redo of a Healer
>Shield Hero
etc

So in the future if you want to complain about "isekai" it's probably Narou-kei you hate.

[Anonymous No.20371410]

>>20371362
Drop the darkness that comes before, it doesn't get better. Just start with a new book.

[Anonymous No.20371411]

lol, this is kind of silly. So after binging through the stormlight archive 1-3, I finally noticed that there is "graphic audio" version of the book. And yes, I'm a filthy audiobook reader. I know. But for the first three books, I was content listening to the normal audiobooks. Read by Kate Reading and Michael Kramer. Both very good narrators. This graphic audio version however, is different. It's fully voice acted with sound effects and music. The first book of Dune was produced like that, and it was good. I was curious, so I got it.

And oh, man. Is it bad.

There's nothing wrong with the voices exactly. Everyone acts about as competently as you can expect out of such a production. But the music and the sound effects are laughable. It has the same production of an American crime show. If you ever watched say America's Most Wanted. Where the narrator is talking over this super dramatic tension filled track. And then it punctuates the end of the narration with a stinger. It's like that. Often, the music is way to intense for what's actually happening. Or the voices in the background are too loud. When a scene ends, the music swells dramatically, even if it doesn't fit the mood.

Worse: they made sound effects for the powers way too loud. Tons of swooshing everytime someone uses their power. But not the wooshing you normally get when someone takes to the air. Not like wind exactly. But a sssssssSSSSSHHHHWWINNNNNGGGggggg. With far too much reverb. They put reverb on everything.

And they tried to implement some of the humming from the listeners/singers. Which comes across as really awkward. The problem being, that they weren't given real tunes to hum. They just do very short and sharp notes, and always the same sequence, no matter what. It's honestly embarrassing to listen to. Like, someone should have directed that better.

Also, Syl's actress clearly has a voice modulator, pitching her voice up. It has that slightly robotic sound.

I gave it 7 hours of my time. But I'm going to switch versions, because it's just too silly. Even if I have to listen to Michael Kramer pronounce envision like envis-idge for the hundredth time.

[Anonymous No.20371420]

>>20369968
>Scrapped Princess
Do I read the light novels? The Manga. The second Manga series? The Anime? Apparently they all have different plots in that classic adaption outpaces the source material but lets keep going anyway thing Japan loves to do.

[Anonymous No.20371429]

>>20371411
Sounds like they tried too hard and failed.

[Anonymous No.20371439]

>>20371429
Basically. The sound department was just way over eager. No sense of subtlety. Which is sad, because their whole gimmick is the extra sound.

[Anonymous No.20371447]

>>20371411
Weird. Never heard of an audio going all out. Shame they failed to stick the landing. Hope it doesn’t discourage them from trying again.

[Anonymous No.20371454]

Recommend me some books with no women in them. I'm tired of how obsessed everything is with f*males recently.

[Anonymous No.20371458]

>>20371454
the transgender industrial complex

[Anonymous No.20371460]

>>20371458
I'm a trans-inclusionary misogynist so that doesn't work either.

[Anonymous No.20371461]

>>20371439
>The sound department was just way over eager. No sense of subtlety.
Surprised no one said anything after production.

[Anonymous No.20371481]

Jesus fucking christ no wonder I can't find anything to read. These people just pump this garbage out so quickly that anything worth looking at gets buried under a tide of absolute garbage. All of this shit came out in TWO YEARS.

[Anonymous No.20371483]

>>20371460

[Anonymous No.20371516]

Almost finished the frank herbert dunes, can't decide if I'll plunge into brian herbert's books.
Dune 1 is the best by far and I'm just worried the books by his son will just be cashgrabs

[Anonymous No.20371522]

>>20371516
His son has the same qualities as Frank.

[Anonymous No.20371529]

>>20371403
>Narou is the source of too many popular series to list, just read the wikipedia page to get an idea of how prolific this website's influence is in the industry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dsetsuka_ni_Nar%C5%8D
>Just some highlights
>>KonoSuba
>>Log Horizon
>>Overlord
>>Redo of a Healer
>>Shield Hero
Christ, how much money have they made from this?

[Anonymous No.20371553]

>>20371481
All by one author? That's pretty impressive

[Anonymous No.20371558]

>>20371553
Yeah one author, Simon Archer. That's like, what, 3 weeks per book?

[Anonymous No.20371563]

>>20366108
Urth of the New Sun

[Anonymous No.20371564]

>>20371558
He must be making bank if he's pumping books out.

[Anonymous No.20371567]

>>20371564
I doubt it, most of them have <50 ratings on the Amazon store.

[Anonymous No.20371576]

>>20371567
How much is he pricing them for?

[Anonymous No.20371578]

>>20371576
This shit is on kindle unlimited. It's free.

[Anonymous No.20371580]

>>20371578
You do know not everyone has kindle unlimited.

[Anonymous No.20371585]

>>20371580
It's cheaper to get amazon prime, which includes KU, than it is to buy a single book.

[Anonymous No.20371588]

>>20371585
Ah, then I don't know. Probably has a personal website for his stories and he gets donations from there?

[Anonymous No.20371599]

>>20371588
much of that looks like haremlit, it's a niche genre, apparently pumping a book every couple month is what it takes to stay afloat to begin with.

[Anonymous No.20371602]

>>20371599
Yeah, but if the books are free, how does he stay afloat?

[Anonymous No.20371609]

>>20371588
Not the other anon but he's probably gaming the system somehow or another. When tweens with mum's kindleunlimited click on his unabashed trash he probably gets a few cents, which soon enough accumulate into a tidy sum as the retards RUSH TO THE TROUGH EAGER TO GREASE THEIR THROATS WITH SHIT

[Anonymous No.20371626]

>>20371609
>his unabashed trash he probably gets a few cents,
Wouldn't that shit takes lots of views?

[Anonymous No.20371637]

>>20371626
He could set up bots, or something. Then again, people could also buy his books.

[Anonymous No.20371643]

>>20371420
The light novels.

[Anonymous No.20371655]

>>20371481
>>20371585
>>20371599
>>20371609
Do you guys even know how self-publish turn a profit?

[Anonymous No.20371658]

>>20371655
I'm pretty sure most of them just do it as a hobby, the money they get from Amazon is just a bonus.

[Anonymous No.20371660]

>>20371658
Some of them making it into a full-time job.

[Anonymous No.20371678]

>>20371420
Well, this is the literature board, but the light novels were never fully translated afaik. Between the anime and the manga, the anime is better. The anime also went into production when the novel series was almost finished already, so the divergence from the novels was minimal iirc.

[Anonymous No.20371699]

>>20371660
Would explain why they pump out books, but that’s really a stupid life choice if they did that.

[Anonymous No.20371738]

>>20371699
>but that’s really a stupid life choice if they did that.
Some people are that adamant in not working an actual real job.

[Anonymous No.20371759]

>>20371738
Who can blame them? "Actual real jobs" suck and - all else being equal - being your own boss is always preferable to being the sniveling servant of another man.

[Anonymous No.20371763]

>>20371759
I’m not, just giving that anon the reason why they do it.

[Anonymous No.20371775]

>>20371759
Is it really that bad?

[Anonymous No.20371812]

>>20371361
just earch for preston jacobs on youtube
his stuff is pretty great
don't agree with all of it, but most of it makes some sense
his analysis is very detailed and the videos are entertaining

[Anonymous No.20371813]

>>20371775
Yes. There's a reason wagecucks are called that way and are the butt of every joke.

[Anonymous No.20371820]

>>20371516
>the books by his son will just be cashgrabs
imo his sons books sucked ass
still read them, because im an autist

[Anonymous No.20371849]

>>20365825
Any of you guys managed to find a copy of this? It's notoriously hard to find

[Anonymous No.20371858]

>>20371849
http://b-ok.cc/
http://libgen.rs/

[Anonymous No.20371866]

New thread
>>20371865

[Anonymous No.20371867]

>>20369659
Don't read Pirate Latitudes or whatever

[Anonymous No.20371875]

>>20369728
>the man who folded himself
>dinosaur beach

both highly recommended

[Anonymous No.20371880]

Should fantasy protagonists be sex havers or celibate?

[Anonymous No.20372198]

>>20371602
KU isn't 'free' as such. Authors are paid by Amazon for how much of their book is read on KU.

[Anonymous No.20372408]

>>20365890
Look up David Gemmell's catalog of books. I just finished one of his called "The Sword In The Storm" and it was exactly what you are asking for.

[Anonymous No.20372438]

>>20371875
The Man Who Folded Himself is one of the most hedonistic, existential and gayest novels Ive every read
So yeah, I also recommend it too

[Anonymous No.20372540]

>>20371383
Talking spiders, space holocaust denialism, and being mean to women is BAD. I just saved you the next 2 books.