/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20359750]

A while ago Netflix made a Unabomber movie and it's the perfect example of what he called The System's Neatest Trick. It's one of his best essays in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.20359872]

>goyflix
herb

[Anonymous No.20359977]

is the unabomber a real life antihero

[Anonymous No.20359991]

>>20359750
lol does this retard really think several billions of people could simultaneously feed themselves off a primitivist larp in the woods or is he implicitly saying that billions should die? whichever you choose it literally does prove he's crazy

[Anonymous No.20359995]

>>20359750
Handsome Ted is handsome and his voice is oh my god man the women in my family were quivering at the show. Then I showed them the real Ted recordings on Youtube and they were disgusted to hear a high pitched nasal manlet. Don't let your normies get too close to your heroes

[Anonymous No.20359997]

>>20359750
I recommend watching Jago: A Life Underwater. It relates to Ted Kaczynski's philosophy perfectly. Here's my review of it:

I watched Jago: A Life Underwater, which is about Rohani an 80 year old Indonesian fish hunter on Togian islands from the Bajau tribe. The first half was masculine in the true sense of the word. It details his life as a child growing to become a deep sea diver who hunts fish with an injectable spear from a stick. He thus got the name Jago from his transition into adulthood and true self-reliance. It also touches on the tribal mysticism these Brahui have and their close connection to the spirits of the sea and coral reef.
The 2nd half is a bit sad because Jago had to leave his family to get money for his wife and kids, most likely for some dumb reason like schooling (which is just a system of indoctrination). His son also died when he was gone because he was never there to teach him how to dive.
It also mentioned him learning trawling from Japanese fishermen. The second half seems to have a subtle primitivist critique on modern technological methods of hunting fish like trawling, which has been proven to decrease biodiversity. Jago also mentions in the end he doesn't see as many fish anymore near the coral, and there is in fact more crowding of people now! I think this documentary beautifully complements Ted Kaczynski's philosophy and his notion of the power process.

[Anonymous No.20360001]

>>20359991
>larp
Live action role play
>that is Ted Kaczynski himself in his life played the role of himself
Nigga
Where did the Rabbi molest you? Show me on the doll

[Anonymous No.20360005]

>>20359999
>>20360000
Checked

[Anonymous No.20360010]

>>20359997
thanks for a hidden gem.

[Anonymous No.20360021]

>>20359995
>your heroes
uhh bro?

[Anonymous No.20360031]

>>20359991
There wouldn't be several billion people and that's fine.

[Anonymous No.20360034]

>>20359991
Acknowledging the earth's carrying capacity = crazy?

Spastic take, chief

[Anonymous No.20360141]

>>20360010
Jago is interesting because is old and most likely lived before and after introduction of industrial techniques to the Bajau tribe.
What I've noticed from the Bajau tribe is that their way of hunting and life was sustainable prior to industrialization and introduction of global capitalist markets and organization-dependent technologies. However, now markets open up that either prey on peoples' greed or where one's livelihood, thus, becomes tied to a destructive heavily interconnected globalized economic system. Many of the Bajau people now use plastics to aid hunting, trawling, harvest sands for construction companies, and more, which adversely impacts oceanic biodiversity and also strips man of autonomy. Here are some relevant quotes from another documentary named "The Call from the Sea" on the Bajau people:
>However, the film shows the tribe's use of plastics, styrofoam, and other products deemed "environmentally toxic"... They are not oblivious, or isolated and utilize modern products... and this film appears to neglect this. The plastic buckets, the styrofoam cooler is in the footage, a child rows by in a plastic tub.
>The history and culture of the lovely Bajau people are fascinating. Their fishing practices, though traditionally sustainable and better than mass commercial fishing, have not always remained sustainable. At the time I was there, they were harvesting sand from nearby beaches to sell to construction companies, which led to sedimentation, suffocating the coral. Hopefully the blasting of coral has stopped.

One sees this pattern all over the world, especially with the Amazonian forest being cut down for farmland for economic reasons. Some tribal Amazonians, in fact, embrace this change as a "positive direction". I and Ted, of course, would consider it a negative direction in which man's autonomy and power process is disrupted and biodiversity is destroyed.

[Anonymous No.20360167]

>>20359991
>t. pod dweller

[Anonymous No.20360189]

>>20360034
no, he's dramatically underplaying the earth's capacity, implicitly saying that billions should die, just because he's autistic and wants to larp as tarzan. that is crazy

[Anonymous No.20360332]

>>20360031
this guy gets it

[Anonymous No.20360346]

>>20360189
I dont know how someone could be so wrong, you fucking dweeb.

[Anonymous No.20360361]

>>20359991
Wanting billions to die is based. You don't even have to be a malthusian neo-luddite to want it, just one look at vast majority of people should be enough to start a significant urge to reduce their number greatly.

It's also going to improve the life quality for those who are left. Real Wages had a significant peak in Britain after the Black Death in 15th and 16th centuries. In general, even if you accept an utilitarian moral framework, the long-term happiness can be best maximized with a lower population size.

[Anonymous No.20360369]

>>20359991
Several billion people should die. Have you ever lived in a city dude? You can't go on about the sanctity of human life when urban life plummets the value of it down to fucking cigarette butts. Most urban people are such arrogant, stupid, drug addicted and violent apes that slaughtering most of them could only objectively improve the world. Oh no. Someone think about Jaden and his SoundCloud career !

[Anonymous No.20360401]

>>20359991
WAIT ALL THE FAT USELESS PEOPLE WHO CAN BARELY FUNCTION WOULD DIE???!!???

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Anonymous No.20360411]

>>20359991
i wonder who is behind this post

[Anonymous No.20360510]

So I watched the TV show.
>fbi fuck up every single step of the investigation
>inaccurately profile ted
>no one reads his manifesto
>catch him anyway
Well done Ted, sterling stuff.

[Anonymous No.20360523]

>>20360031
It's this fucking simple. There are too many people and it's fine to let the population decline; we don't need to grow forever. If 10 billion people can't live comfortable and sustainable lives, then let's not have 10 billion people.

[Anonymous No.20360532]

>>20360510
thank his weasel brother

[Anonymous No.20360539]

>>20360031
you go first
>>20360361
>Wanting billions to die is based.
it's also crazy
>>20360369
>>20360401
>Several billion people should die.
thanks for further proof that you're batshit crazy. keep it coming

[Anonymous No.20360559]

>>20359750
The System's Neatest Trick is about capturing activist energy and routing it towards ends that prop up the System itself, right? I haven't seen this Netflix show. How is it an example of this trick, and not just some dumb disposable entertainment?

[Anonymous No.20360577]

>>20360539
>thanks for further proof that you're batshit crazy. keep it coming
yeah, better let triple the billions to die in the future. very moral

[Anonymous No.20360614]

>>20359750
reminder that idolizing the unabomber is not edgy and subversive, its literally band kid tier

[Anonymous No.20360648]

>>20359991
The choice is one the individual makes. It has nothing whatever to do with grand societal choices but the absence from it. The idea that every man on earth must do the same thing because it's "optimal" is pure technical thinking.

[Anonymous No.20360656]

>>20360614
so you just agree with people because it's edgy and subversive? nice projection there

[Anonymous No.20360667]

>>20359997
>>20360141
I’m adding this to my watchlist, otherwise this thread is shit and not worth monitoring.

[Anonymous No.20360680]

>>20359991
That is how we are technically built to live. We are designed to live in nature, not in pods. We were prey animals, once upon a time, anon.

[Anonymous No.20360703]

>>20360614
>literally band kid tier
lol historians of the future will think that ameriggan was full of band kids in bright uniforms and gleeful expressions who idolized the unabomber

is this.. an example of non-reality, do you think?

[Anonymous No.20360723]

>>20360680
>We were prey animals, once upon a time,
we still are; when all animals show their teeth it's a sign of aggression designed to intimidate, we call it a 'big happy smile'

[Anonymous No.20360729]

I want to buy David Skrbina's Metaphysics of Technology because he had many discussions with Ted and has stronger philosophical background, but it's too expensive.

[Anonymous No.20360739]

>>20359991
>population keeps expanding
>several hundred years later
>population 200 billion
>everyone lives in a pod in megacities, can't go outdoors at all due to pollution
>someone says "hey wouldn't it be nice if we lived in enough harmony with nature to go for a walk outside"
>retards like you respond DoEs ThIs ReTaRd ThInK tWo HunDrEd BiLLiOn PeOpLe cOuLd ReAlLy FeEd ThEmSeLvEs WiThOuT pOlLuTiNg ThE aTmOsPhErE tOo MuCh To gO oUtSiDe Do yOu EvEn VaLuE hUmAn LiFe BrO?!?

[Anonymous No.20360742]

>>20360729
that dude is stupid, he's a panpshychist. fucking poser

[Anonymous No.20360770]

>>20360742
>panpshychist
a wha?

[Anonymous No.20360773]

>>20360742
>panpshychist

[Anonymous No.20360787]

>>20360770
>>20360773
panPSYchist
it's ok now? -_-

[Anonymous No.20360798]

>>20360787
pan-psychist, as in "(all) psychic" ?

never heard the term before - thats why i asked lol

[Anonymous No.20360804]

>>20360577
>>20360739
sure, let's kill billions of people because of some imagined sci-fi scenario. btw isn't it ironic that people call us crazy??!!
>>20360680
no, we're technically built to be very adaptable. I wonder why that spaz had some gay cabin instead of living in a natural hole in the ground like a true animal would

[Anonymous No.20360808]

The only thing anprims 'deserve' is to be crushed under the technological might of superior, industrial societies.
>buh buh i want to larp in the woods!
Go be useless elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.20360814]

>>20360798
I don't know what kind of panpsychist Skrbina is but I think generally it means people who think consciousness is ontologically fundamental and pervasive through everything, opposed to dualists or materialist monists who think consciousness is emergent

[Anonymous No.20360816]

>>20360798
panpsychism is the philosophical position that consciousness is a fundamental element of reality just like time and space. that matter has consciousness intrinsically

[Anonymous No.20360826]

>>20360804
>sure, let's kill billions of people because of some imagined sci-fi scenario. btw isn't it ironic that people call us crazy??!!

>look, modern technology and human freedom are incompatible
>SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WANT TO KILL BILLIONS

[Anonymous No.20360829]

>>20360739
>dramatically downplays own argument to strawman his opponent in a fictituous future scenario while giving him crazy person text
Pseudointellectuals be like

[Anonymous No.20360833]

>>20360826
>SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WANT TO KILL BILLIONS
lol fucking retard
>>20360031
>There wouldn't be several billion people and that's fine.
>>20360361
>Wanting billions to die is based.
>>20360369
>Several billion people should die.

[Anonymous No.20360841]

>>20360833
stfu noam chomsky

[Anonymous No.20360850]

>>20360833
>everyone who disagrees with me is one person
you're what's wrong with contemporary political discourse

[Anonymous No.20360857]

>>20360850
then I'll leave you guys to work out among yourselves whether wanting billions to die is based

[Anonymous No.20360870]

>>20359750
if what he said about cabin's was true, then why did he attack the US gov't? i'm surprised he didn't just stop with his plan a few weeks into it, after realizing how awesome living in a cabin "away from it all" was

[Anonymous No.20360877]

>>20360870
He had autism fits about people riding dirtbikes in the woods, and about his neighbour being a logger. The man wanted to kill his neighbour and their kid for tearing up a bit of grass when they dragged some logs in the forest. The man was fucking autistic.

[Anonymous No.20360889]

>>20359750
I think the whole bombing thing is what makes people think he was crazy. But I'm no psychiatrist.

[Anonymous No.20360977]

>>20360648
I don't know if it's always you the same person shilling Ellul but keep it coming no good reason this book isn't bigger than Marx by this point.

[Anonymous No.20360986]

>>20360816
>panpsychism is the philosophical position that consciousness is a fundamental element of reality just like time and space. that matter has consciousness intrinsically
as in not metaphorical consciousness but actual "brains", so to speak? hm. interesting

>>20360814
>people who think consciousness is ontologically fundamental and pervasive through everything,
I'm not sure that's necessarily foolish or grounds for dismissal; as metaphor anyway to,e.g. "respect the forest," "respect the mountain,"

yeah .. i can live with that.

I thought it was "pan-physicist" that was being written above; a position where the laws of physics pervades even down to the slightest utterance of a persons mumblings on the train would be an interesting concept for a branch of determinalist philosophy

[Anonymous No.20360994]

>>20360986
>as in not metaphorical consciousness but actual "brains", so to speak? hm. interesting
consciousness as in there is something which is like to be your table at this moment. or any material thing has an experience.
In my opinion it's stupid and unlikely to be true but that's panpsychism

[Anonymous No.20360995]

>>20360986
>a position where the laws of physics pervades even down to the slightest utterance of a persons mumblings on the train would be an interesting concept for a branch of determinalist philosophy
that's pretty much exactly what most materialists believe today, that everything is explicable by deterministic (or probabilistic) numerical relations between atoms (or quarks or whatever).

[Anonymous No.20360997]

>>20360889
>I think the whole bombing thing is what makes people think he was crazy.
yeah this.

I mean, growing up seeing so many mass shootings and terrorism stories you come to the position that assassinating somebody or bomb-threating them actually helps the intended victim by making them seem like martyrs, even if theyre the most evil people in the world, and they wouldnt enjoy that special privileged status of being a martyr without the dipstick having sent them a piece of fertilizer trapped to his alarm clock.

counter-productive, is my point, i think very obviously so nowadays and probably obvious enough in unabombers day as well - clinton era, wasn't he living in?

[Anonymous No.20361004]

>>20360995
yeah seems like hyper-determinalism from a view that man possesses no free will at all, which is missing the point of basic cause and effect in determination.

>>20360994
i've heard this phrased like psychic energy of an old old thing; in theory it could be true of organic things like 1000yr old trees but not of bits of rock i dont think... but even then it seems more like it's the human brain which is responding to the inherited memory of the tre being witnessed for 1000 yrs back in their genetic lineage.

perhaps.
just my abstract musings on the thing anyway

[Anonymous No.20361015]

>>20359991
First of all, there's only several billion people thanks to the system that produces all the pollution. If we never polluted the planet on a grand scale then there would have never been several billion people to begin with.

Second of all, who the fuck cares if 1 billion nobody islanders and 1 billion nobody street shitters and 1 billion nobody bat eaters suddenly disappeared? None of these people produce anything of worth anyway. They don't even promote arts anyone intelligent cares about. They might as well not exist already.

[Anonymous No.20361045]

>>20359750
>ted wakes up and rides his rusty bike into town
>pedals alongside a van
>ted to driver: "hey"
>driver in meek voice: "hey ted"
don't why this scene always cracks me up

[Anonymous No.20361052]

>>20361015
>he thinks third worlders will die when the industrial system collapses
kek

[Anonymous No.20361053]

>>20359750
That's some Imagine shit right there, can't really take it seriously. Unless you want war and violence, I think it's safe to say that everyone thinks the world would be a better place if everyone else lived like they do. Is he righteous victim because he couldn't adapt or is the world wrong for leaving his kind behind? At what point do we consider it an adaptative disorder?
For what is worth, I think Ruby Ridge does prove that no matter what you do, you can always get fucked by those in authority. And not implying the people involved in that siege were good people.

[Anonymous No.20361056]

>>20359991
You are right. Billions will die without modern agriculture but it is necessary to save humanity and the planet.

[Anonymous No.20361060]

>>20361052
They will die when the bombs land on their heads because they were deemed expendable in the final showdown for lasting resources.

[Anonymous No.20361064]

>>20361060
the entire point is to be less needy for resources

[Anonymous No.20361065]

>>20360141
man, sometimes I'm rupi kaur poem's length away from becoming an ecoredacted

[Anonymous No.20361073]

>>20361064
As a species, yes. That means two things: living simpler and sustaining a lower population. But we're already at several billions in excess.

[Anonymous No.20361074]

>>20360857
It is based. Seethe and cope, moralfag.

[Anonymous No.20361145]

>>20360189
No, he is right. Earths carrying capacity has been surpassed long ago.
This is the proof:
>soil destruction and nutrient depletion. eg:
>air and water pollution plus contamination with heavy metals, microplastics, xenobiotics, xenoestrogens, agrochemicals, etc
>high rate of species disappearing
>invasion of ecosystems by non native species and pets
>high rate of desertification
>food is mass produced shit quality goyslop
>crowding
>noise pollution
And I could go on and on and on to prove to you that the notion of having billions of useless consooming human cattle and defeding their lives is, in fact, Anti-Life itself.
And you know whats funny? There is nothing you can do to stop for them to die. Nature or the Technological will apply corrective measures but I hope the former does it.

[Anonymous No.20361172]

You people are crazy. Depopulation is inevitable either way. Look at China and Europe. Other places are next.

[Anonymous No.20361181]

>>20360559
Its just propaganda. Read Ellul. Ted is just repeating what was said 70 years ago.

[Anonymous No.20361182]

>>20361172
People fantasizing about genocide are ethnomeme larpers. Population growth is slowing in many parts of the world and it's happening naturally. Degrowth doesn't need to kill people, they just prefer that it does.

[Anonymous No.20361197]

>>20360877
I think he was running out of money and decided to be imprisoned instead of being a wage slave.

[Anonymous No.20361205]

>>20361182
And I don't need to call you a faggot to refute your garbage take, but I prefer to do so.

[Anonymous No.20361210]

>>20361205
Preprogrammed response.

[Anonymous No.20361211]

>>20361052
No more agroindustrial imports from first world countries will adjust population size.

[Anonymous No.20361218]

>>20361053
It is an adaptive disorder, I think. The technological system favors the survival of consooming NPC cattle, not actual humans.

[Anonymous No.20361225]

He couldn't adapt to society and society made it worse for him. So he coped via some radical shit. No different than transfolks.

[Anonymous No.20361228]

>>20361182
What about africa? If anything population decline is not happening fast enough. You cannot have 7 billion people even with a 0 birth rate because their lifestyle still will break havoc on the planet for a long time.

[Anonymous No.20361239]

>>20361182
Genocide is natural too. It's also the quicker method.

[Anonymous No.20361241]

>>20361145
Soil depletion probably comes from destroying all the underground mycelium and mycorrhizae from fertilizers.
Yeah, you could go on and on. Light pollution and ozone depletion are also big problems too among many others.
So long as I don't die, I am fine with depopulation. I'm special.
You should check out Ulrich Horstmann.

[Anonymous No.20361248]

>>20360559
It has to assimilate Uncle Ted and reduce him into into a meme instead of shadowbanning him.
It fits into the larger Trve crime fad , where taboo subcultures have to be ransacked from big line go up.

[Anonymous No.20361263]

>>20361241
Im arguing for depopulation and I want my living space fuck all the rest.
>You should check out Ulrich Horstmann.
Who is he? What books do you recommend?

[Anonymous No.20361275]

>>20361210
>Preprogrammed response.
Quick, efficient, and wastes minimal energy on gnats such as yourself.

[Anonymous No.20361278]

Absolute shit, turned it off after 10 minutes

[Anonymous No.20361281]

>>20361056
It's not salvation crippling the expansion of the humankind, we have to reach the stars

[Anonymous No.20361287]

>>20361241
>Soil depletion
this is one of the more self-inflicted problems that goes back to governments purposefully trying not to succeed; or building dependent networks where one country is dependent on another for some basic commodity that they could produce themselves,

really the US could be producing massive quantities of food and doing it intelligently so that the price of food and drink would be pennies, but this is bad for the scarcity economy where the price of a thing only goes up if the supply is short so capitalism discourages surplus in the production of anything - also evident in cases like the amazon theyre just mindlessly destroying the land in exchange for one season of onions bean harvests then permanent depletion due to the absence of jungle on the cleared land.

not to mention the massive pollution cost of transporting stuff overseas that ought be produced on site and would create, you know, surplus, cheap food and drink and a ton of jobs.

[Anonymous No.20361291]

>>20361197
He was working as a professor of mathematics. If the guy got tenured, he could do jackshit and be paid forever with minimal effort. But he made just enough money to buy the land in Montana.

[Anonymous No.20361295]

>>20361241
more more
>Soil depletion
I mean I learned recently that a vast amount of land set aside for agriculture in America has been laying fallow for over a decade under the strange idea that someone the land will naturally replenis h itself and be good for a coupl of harvestsor something, it's retarded.

If you have a fish pond, for example, you can dump the filtration boxes into the soil you've just harvested from and put a brand new crop into the same soil and guess what, it grows.

[Anonymous No.20361311]

>>20361287
>>20361295
Yeah, intensive agriculture with mono-crop just destroys soil too; it's better to rotate crops and not use pesticides or fertilizers. There is a lot of mismanagement in USA, especially as people like Bill Gates are making it worse by buying up land. Your explanation of how they destroy the land deliberately for various economic reasons makes sense, yeah.

[Anonymous No.20361313]

>>20361281
Thats propaganda. While your Technician Overlords prepare their kind to be with the stars but you, on the other hand, will be destroyed in every way it is possible to be destroyed-and even in some which are essentially impossible.

[Anonymous No.20361322]

>>20361291
Wasnt he running out of money and said his lifestyle was not sustainable?

[Anonymous No.20361324]

>>20360877
>boomer loses his shit when someone gets on his lawn
typical

[Anonymous No.20361365]

>>20361311
mm them paying farmers not toproduce crops on the land was the first signal that the government agencies were making more money from import tariffs that would enable pay for non-production in the first place; all this accomplishes is to raise the price of basic commodities due to importing them and taxing the imports.

just a colossal waste of time under the pretense of profiteering at the expense of self-imposed economic shutdown at the cost of absence of surplus, absence of jobs, etc. who are then partly taken care of via the welfare claims which degrade the currency that was being propped up by the import taxes created from the absence of local production.

still i dont think any american in congres is bright enough to understand how any of it works.

[Anonymous No.20361375]

why is Ted considered le based man here when he's literally just the own nothing shit that you will complain about

[Anonymous No.20361379]

>>20361295
>a vast amount of land set aside for agriculture in America has been laying fallow for over a decade under the strange idea that someone the land will naturally replenis h itself and be good for a coupl of harvestsor something, it's retarded.
Its not retarded. There is an idea in Ecology that says a soil is replenished when the original vegetation is fully grown so fucking never if you take into account the technological and economical necessities imposed upon the enviroment.
>If you have a fish pond, for example, you can dump the filtration boxes into the soil you've just harvested from and put a brand new crop into the same soil and guess what, it grows.
There are a lot of ways to make something grow like pondwater, green compost, animal shit, good insects eating bad insects, etc but are they enough to support 10 billion eaters? They are not otherwise we would be using them and abandoned modern insdustrial agrochemicals. Hell, even the most delicate and precise plow fucks up the soil structure, they just dont say it because they take into account the most optimal way to feed 10 billion cattle and not establishing a balance with nature. Only hunter-gatherer type of foods are both sustainable and nutritious enough for the human body, not the contaminated insufficient slop they sell today labeled as food devoid of all essential factors given by nature.

[Anonymous No.20361414]

>>20361379
>They are not otherwise we would be using them and abandoned modern insdustrial agrochemicals.
this is the error though, you 'assume' that there is a competent government agency somewhere tasked with actually managing and accomplishing a surplus in production - this by design doesn't exist, whilst the scarcity principle in stock market business which is all important to these people massively decreases the value of the product and so the worth of their "stock" when surplus is achieved.

>There is an idea in Ecology that says a soil is replenished when the original vegetation is fully grown so fucking never if you take into account the technological and economical necessities imposed upon the enviroment.
exactly, that's the agency supposedly tasked to agriculture and in the guise of ecology they find some philosophical merit in letting the land turn to wilderness whilst coincidentally their own budget comes about largely from import tariffs; it's overall not in their own interest to produce anything at all, from a financial investment point and from a governmental tax point.

largely though, thinking more about all of this, the greatest waste of all is the herds of cows which eat up, say, decades worth of grain or vegetables, warehouses full, in exchange for providing enough meat to fill car boot.

[Anonymous No.20361419]

>>20359750
But he was crazy.

[Anonymous No.20361431]

>>20361322
I believe he said in an interview he worked long enough to afford his property. He'd then ask his family for money for medical expenses, to instead pay for whatever he'd need.

[Anonymous No.20361440]

>>20361052
>>20361060
>>20361211
They will just get a first class ticket on the Chaim Express. Its you who will die.

[Anonymous No.20361451]

>>20361379
>a balance with nature. Only hunter-gatherer type of foods are both sustainable a
also,, fun fct always to bear in mind when considering american law and tax revenues is that the place was designed for small-holder farmsteads from the beginning; the situation where most of the country was geting their food from farms in china or india would have been impossible in the 1700's, the notion of basic commodity production and national self-sustainability existed from the beginning there - so i mean it's not some evil conspiracy but just a point of how tariffs were setup to operate and how that principle was abused later on.

[Anonymous No.20361465]

>>20361375
he isn't a technocrat like those proponents.

[Anonymous No.20361483]

>>20361451
I think is more of an strategical choice than economical. Let other countries destroy their soil and dominate them later

[Anonymous No.20361503]

>>20361414
I got to agree with you. The technological system is not perfect by any means but the trend and the means are still there, doing their damage for the sake of greed and technological advancement. Theoretically, even a competent agency is not different than an incompetent one because both have the same means and end (pure use of said means), that is, absolute efficiency for the sake of everything else >>20361483
>largely though, thinking more about all of this, the greatest waste of all is the herds of cows which eat up, say, decades worth of grain or vegetables, warehouses full, in exchange for providing enough meat to fill car boot.
Cow meat has the worse mass conversion, thats why. Something like 10kg of food per kg of cow meat. Fish, pork, poultry and insects(lol) are the best in that regard.

[Anonymous No.20361507]

>>20359991
The replies in this post proves how many privileged, rich white kids are on this board circlclejerking not unlike reddit

[Anonymous No.20361523]

>>20361414
Isn't cow feed mainly just inedible stuff? Plant parts people can't digest, let alone chew on?

[Anonymous No.20361552]

hmm yes let's just have everybody toil just as hard but make it extremely inefficient

[Anonymous No.20361578]

>>20359750
A lot of people agree with some of his ideas. Where he fucked up is maiming and killing innocent people instead of going for the big boys

[Anonymous No.20361622]

>>20361578
you wouldn't even know about him otherwise

[Anonymous No.20361643]

>>20361622
And it hurt his cause more than it helped it

[Anonymous No.20361693]

>>20359750
god I can't way until globalization anally rapes mankind more and more. I will actively partake in economical globalization just so I can believe that my actions are going to cause some destruction now or later to some unlucky fag. keep progressing to destruction.

[Anonymous No.20361734]

>>20361523
>inedible
presumably, but the land that produces cattle feed crop could produce any other crop - also reminded of the s.o.y. beans again in the amazon which are usually used exclusively for cattle feed; so the cost of a hectare of lush fertile jungle permanently destroyed to harvest a couple of seasons of beans to feed cows is the reality of the situation

>>20361483
>strategical
yeah that probably factors into it as a rationale to excuse the underproduction of food stuffs in the home state, but it doesn't make any real sense - asparagus isn't the same as a finite resource like coal that you can accumulate every bit of it on the planet and burn it and one days there's no more of it, right

>>20361503
>Fish
yeah this is the one thing that could be used to fix the whole problem; fish produce fertilizer so what i do with my fish pond to fertilize the soil for my crops could be done on a huge level - producing massive quantities of fish in aquaponics vats and bleeding off the fish poop to use as high quality fertilizer.

Given that the current MO is to do nothing to improve production and try and convince people to eat cockroaches i'd say the fish thing is worth a shot.. ..or it would be if anybody was interested in producing a surplus of food somewhere in some little country.

[Anonymous No.20361742]

>>20361693
>god I can't way until globalization anally rapes mankind more and more. I will actively partake in economical globalization just so I can believe that my actions are going to cause some destruction now or later to some unlucky fag. keep progressing to destruction.
enjoy your bag of dead ants as your only source of food for the month when you get there, anon.

[Anonymous No.20361755]

>>20361742
What? I will not eat the bugs. I'm gonna continuing eating steak dinners.

[Anonymous No.20361761]

>>20361734
>presumably, but the land that produces cattle feed crop could produce any other crop - also reminded of the s.o.y. beans again in the amazon which are usually used exclusively for cattle feed; so the cost of a hectare of lush fertile jungle permanently destroyed to harvest a couple of seasons of beans to feed cows is the reality of the situation
I find it a bit difficult to believe they're spending large amounts of farmland purely on producing animal feed, with no other purposes. Like when they grow corn, and they're left with the stalks. People can't eat that, but cows can. So is the land used for people, or cows?

[Anonymous No.20361817]

>>20361761
>I find it a bit difficult to believe they're spending large amounts of farmland purely on producing animal feed, with no other purposes.
well ... yeah: if you have a company and your business model is to produce cattle feed that's exactly what you'll be doing lol

>stalks
i thought you were talking about the so-called inferior types of grain earlier actually, which are perfectly good for flour.

eating stalks? uh not sure about this one. I know that they started to feed cows the s.o.y. to make them fat, so there's the origin for the s.o.y. production.

I've never grown wheat or corn but it's my understanding that the stalks are broken down in the harvest and left there to help the soil, and the crop itself stays in the ground to grow again, that it's not being ripped up and given to the cows or pigs to eat.

>>20361755
>What? I will not eat the bugs.
naww it'll be delicious

>steak dinners
cat or dog?

[Anonymous No.20361836]

if anyone wants to know why ive never grown corn it's because i read somewhere in my formative years that corn was considered an evil crop by the native americans and the aztecs, that thousands of devil ghosts are attracted to corn and live inside it as it grows, or something like that.

also its impractical

[Anonymous No.20361842]

>>20361817
You don't understand. I am a supporter of economical globalization. I am going to abuse it as much as I can. Consuming a steak nearly daily will be damaging for the natural earth, but great for economical globalization.

[Anonymous No.20361843]

actually i think the reason probably is that it suck up all the water from the land far more than other crops in the region, meaning it'll result in

WAIT 4 IT

massive soil depletion

[Anonymous No.20361846]

>>20361842
well ok but cat or dog?

[Anonymous No.20361847]

>>20361836
>>20361843
what


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also do you like
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[Anonymous No.20361850]

>>20361846
cats for sure

[Anonymous No.20361872]

>>20361817
>I've never grown wheat or corn but it's my understanding that the stalks are broken down in the harvest and left there to help the soil, and the crop itself stays in the ground to grow again, that it's not being ripped up and given to the cows or pigs to eat.
You can use the stalks and leaves of recently harvested corn to feed cattle but is not efficient because it dries out with the sun losing quality and wasting dry matter. A more efficient way is using a lawndmower the size of a haverster to mow and finely chop an entire plantation down to the grain, stalk and leaves and then storage the product in plastic bags that conserve water and in which anaerobic conditions are present to let it ferment(fatty acids) and produce a higher quality product that is easily absorbed and nutritious for the cattle.

[Anonymous No.20361887]

>>20359991
no it proves hes right lol

[Anonymous No.20361888]

>>20361843
Plowers also contribute to soil depletion by turning it up and exposing the subsoil to the weather that evaporates the water and degrades its organic matter thus ultimately destroying the structure of the soil and eroding it.

[Anonymous No.20361891]

>>20360369
Go live in a nice area in Brooklyn. People can be quite lovely.

[Anonymous No.20362008]

>>20361872
hmmm interesting, i never thought of putting the stalks and excess into plastic bags, i can see how that would trap moisture and speed up the composition.

mulch, isn't that called?

stillllll algae and fish poop seems to a miracle fertilizer,i've never had problems just mixing this into spent soil and growing another crop immediately after harvesting one thing.

>>20361888
this is also true. so much for the tractor.

[Anonymous No.20362080]

>>20362008
>hmmm interesting, i never thought of putting the stalks and excess into plastic bags, i can see how that would trap moisture and speed up the composition.
hmmm interesting, i never thought of putting the stalks and excess into plastic bags, i can see how that would trap moisture and speed up the composition.
It allows bacteria to grow to decompose the fiber and produce butyric acid. Essentially, you are just mimicking the conditions of the rumen, just in a plastic bag. It saves effort for the cow in digesting and makes it fatter more efficiently.
>mulch, isn't that called?
Almost the same process but with different bacteria decomposing organic matter into simpler products and humus for plants.
>stillllll algae and fish poop seems to a miracle fertilizer,i've never had problems just mixing this into spent soil and growing another crop immediately after harvesting one thing.
This is a good idea if you take water from non contaminated sources and you dont deplete the nutrients from the ecosystem. Salt water is useless and the majority of freswater is probably contaminated. So idk.
>this is also true. so much for the tractor.
There is modern machinery capable of sowing without plowing but its also heavier compacting the soil after a while making you use special plowers and probably returning to square one, imo.

[Anonymous No.20362235]

>>20361888
>>20362008
You should check out the documentary Symphony of the Soil.

[Anonymous No.20362426]

>>20362080
>>20362235
>Symphony of the Soil.
this is also interesting - listening to it now

There's a lot of good logic from the Romans on this topic in general; the idea that the plants are feeding the soil and taking food from the soil was written about back then, I remember there was a great idea to produce high quality wine by growing the grapes within the same patch of land as specially flavored herbs or root vegetables so that the grapes would grow interacting with the herbs and produce just the right flavor.

I've known about nitrate and stuff actually in the soil itself but my approach has been that the plants are going after the specific nutrient itself; so my method of mixing algae and fish poop into the soil seems to work better than anything else due to, I suppose, giving direct easier access for the seed to gorge on the nutrient without having to extract it from the soil, so the soil itself acts more like a packing material, kind of.

oh romans just came up in that video haha

[Anonymous No.20362427]

>direct easier access for the seed to gorge on the nutrient without having to extract it from the soil
sort of like taking vitamins directly instead of through food, so the body saves on the energy expense of having to breakdown the food and extract the vitamin - that's what I mean.

[Anonymous No.20362438]

>>20362080
>the majority of freswater is probably contaminated. So idk.
ah but this is the other point with aquaponics; using that filtered UV cleansed water, filled with friendly algae and fish, this cleans the water up and makes it more fit for purpose than rainwater or tap water.

you'd be keeping an eye on the chemical level of the water for the health of the fish anyway, so it kills two birds with one stone to use that kind of pond water for watering.

[Anonymous No.20362594]

>>20359991
>implicitly saying that billions should die
Yes.

>whichever you choose it literally does prove he's crazy
No crazier than your rulers.

[Anonymous No.20362649]

>>20359991
The funny thing is, billions are going to die regardless. And it's only going to be worse the longer it takes to happen, unless there's some really fucking big leaps in technology, which could maybe be marginally achievable via AGI - but probably not seeing the oil barons just want to see the world burn and get their moneys.

[Anonymous No.20362650]

>this guy wants to kill billions lmao
>no you can't do heckin population control to limit the amount of people on the planet, that's like evil and stuff

[Anonymous No.20362878]

>>20359991
Actually read the manifesto, instead of a quote taken out of context to make you think he was retarded

[Anonymous No.20362887]

>>20359991
this is a reply

[Anonymous No.20362918]

>>20360804
>no, we're technically built to be very adaptable.
So adaptable, in fact, that mental-illness rates are soaring, birth-rates plummeting, etc the second we're taken away from nature.

[Anonymous No.20362922]

>>20359991
yes without industrial fertilizer the world would revert to naturally sustainable levels

[Anonymous No.20362931]

>>20362922
peak phosphorus

[Anonymous No.20362932]

With or without population control billions are going to die. The question is whether it happens suddenly or in a controlled manner. The retards who are taking the moral high ground in this thread need to choose.

[Anonymous No.20362946]

>>20361182
>Population growth is slowing
Population growth needs to literally invert, not slow, to avoid catastrophe

[Anonymous No.20363133]

I had to stop reading his manifesto because I was lowkey agreeing with him. And I cant agree with a lunatic terrorist.

It is kinda of scary

[Anonymous No.20363313]

>>20360804
All creatures are made to be adaptable. Over millions of years however, and not at the pace we seem to be at now

[Anonymous No.20363321]

>>20359750
He's right about everything

>>20363133
He's right about everything.

[Anonymous No.20363458]

>>20363321
Not really, no. Pretty much everything he suggests about social psychology, genetic heredity and surrogate activities is completely coo-coo.

It's a common issue with pure mathematicians who have no background in other fields grabbing the first correlation they stumble over and baking a schizo theory out of it: Godel's theory of health, Penrose and his theory of consciousness, Grothendieck's ventures into evolutionary biology, Fomeko's New Chronology, etc. They are not used to having actual confounding variables affecting the object of the study. Even less used to having unfathomably large quantity of those.

[Anonymous No.20363466]

>>20363133
What about agreeing with a non-lunatic terrorist?

[Anonymous No.20363485]

>>20363458
No amount of name-dropping will help. He's right - and you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.20363541]

>>20361313
>muh overlords
Humankind is higher than a individual, Ted is trying to save the planet and humankind, reaching the stars can do that without erasing so much people, wether that be by tyrannic ways or not, asume your position, pleb

[Anonymous No.20363547]

>>20363485
If (you) say so, fren.

[Anonymous No.20363562]

>>20363485
If social psychology and genetics worked like Ted says they do, and the Leftist social institutions worked like Ted says they do, the Leftist Technocrats would've already appropriated his theory in order to strengthen their grip on the society and extract more value from it.

Instead even the most earnest knowledge-motivated academics discard it, to say nothing of the technocrats.

[Anonymous No.20363579]

Humans who think they can control death and time are so funny, some people here act as if they dont realize thay no matter if population is twenty people or trillions everyone is gonna die painfully anyway. Human is the most tragic and pathetic of animals, because he thinks he is capable of avoiding the inevitable

Just live your life

[Anonymous No.20363599]

>>20360889
yeah, thats true. he did do it so his message would be seen and not forgotten as just another book

[Anonymous No.20363613]

>>20359750
>A while ago Netflix made a Unabomber movie
Did I understand this movie correctly, but did Ted just need a gf to stop him from being a crazy incel? He had an imaginary gf and they showed him masturbating pathetically, etc.
Did he jsut need to have sex?

[Anonymous No.20363647]

>>20360648
>the technological society
What does that book offer?

[Anonymous No.20363652]

>>20363647
the truth

[Anonymous No.20363670]

>>20363652
Okay, I don't doubt that, but can you be more especific? Truth is one of the broadest terms

[Anonymous No.20363734]

>>20363670
>but can you be more especific
you just posted in the image what the book is about

[Anonymous No.20363802]

>>20363599
Why didn't he try just writing something that would actually gain traction, like every great thinker before him?

[Anonymous No.20363818]

>>20359750
>"We'd have no more war"

Ted. I love ya but stop being retarded

[Anonymous No.20363822]

>>20363802
just like all the other writers you don't give a fuck about

[Anonymous No.20363828]

>>20359750
Most people write him off because he attempted to kill or injure people. But the state does so daily. So it's not a question of killing and injuring, but a question of who does it and why. It cannot be crazy or immoral on principle. It is just that most of us have been conditioned that we see this being the prerogative of the state. So, it has nothing to do with him being crazy. Whether he is we should decide by his motivations for harming, not categorically. We think that the state does a great good by killing and harming some people, people who have done great evil. So one of the core questions is whether the people he targeted had done great evil. That is what we should judge those actions by.

[Anonymous No.20363831]

>>20363822
Chomsky and Foucalt have much more fucks given about them than Ted.

[Anonymous No.20363837]

>>20363831
>leftist number 1 and number 2 who gets quoted at the inclusivity training program in college
lol

[Anonymous No.20363840]

>>20363828
>Most people write him off because he attempted to kill or injure people.
Most people write him off because he attempted to kill or injure people in order to gain attention, which most people know to be a strategy that is never used to attract attention towards good and productive ideas - those don't require terrorist acts in order to propagate, as if they make sense, then other reasonable people will adopt and spread them.

[Anonymous No.20363846]

>>20360361
There is an alternative to this, which is not that people have to die but that we do not produce as many in the first place. I think that is perfectly moral. If not giving birth to people was immoral, then every unfertilized act left would be immoral. That is different from the abortion debate, because here the life does not even come into existence in the first place.

[Anonymous No.20363848]

>>20363840
Then that is something that cannot be justified, IMHO.

[Anonymous No.20363850]

>>20363818
nice bait

[Anonymous No.20363854]

>>20363133
lrn2 separate the art from the artist mr npc

[Anonymous No.20363859]

>>20363837
>every other people who ever wrote a thing and was quoted on it is a leftist
>even Foucalt
That's the other reason why most people write the manifesto off. Declaring every alternative participant of the discourse to be compromised is something that deranged cultists do, not people with actually good ideas. The latter don't shy away from the discourse even if they are persecuted - at most they just escape to another country, where they are hailed as dissidents and given broad audiences even if they argue for literally murdering all humans.

[Anonymous No.20363897]

>>20363859
the thing is what you call "great writer" in today's world is to be a blue checkmark on twitter and to stand with Ukraine, or write about the next LGBT character

[Anonymous No.20363907]

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