/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20349994]

Therapist says I ultimately have a "spiritual problem", anything reading suggestions? Maybe I should just read the Bible anons...

[Anonymous No.20350199]

>>20349994
unironically actually read the Bible.
don't let the therapist try to tell you what it means though. add onto that reading some theology.
i'd recommend reading Mere Christianity aswell.
If you might like an order, do Matthew Mark, Luke, Acts, John, Epistles, Revelation, OT in order.
and, i know how this sounds, but here's the rule of thumb: if something seems like it doesn't make sense, you didn't understand, and it would be nice to search about it (in a proper source, not ask here). a lot of people warp Scripture to try to justify staying away from it.

[Anonymous No.20350211]

>>20350199
*Matthew, Mark...
forgot the comma.

[Anonymous No.20350246]

Read Martin Heidegger. Do not arbitrarily submit to dogma, that is to embrace Nihilism. Contemplate the reality of your own morality, embrace the anxiety and dread that follows and dwell before the openness of death. Then you will truly be able to have a sense of the "spirit" that is lacking in your life.

[Anonymous No.20350262]

What is a 'spiritual problem'? Why would reading the Bible (or anything for that matter) help resolve it?

[Anonymous No.20350271]

Spiritual problems are difficult and often very unique to the person who has them since we can't really know their extend.
I believe that there isn't a good answer to find in just a few specific books to read because you will have to find them yourself.
Maybe you will find them in one of the passages of the Bible but maybe you will have to search elsewhere first before you can return back to scripture with a different outlook.

I had a somewhat similar problem where I found the world to be abandoned by meaning and magic and it made me quite discontent.
I found it again in unusual ways which are probably not so much use to others because as mentioned I think it is a personal undertaking without real guides to, but nevertheless I did.
Keep searching and reading anon I'm sure one day you will find it again that spark

[Anonymous No.20350273]

Gravity's Rainbow

[Anonymous No.20350276]

>>20349994
Seize the power.

[OP No.20350306]

>>20350262
thats part of the problem. I'm not sure what the problem is?
I feel like I lack a core or an "inner fire" and I contemplate this a lot. Sometimes I think I've failed to enter the world of the masculine. Idk.

[Anonymous No.20350312]

>>20349994
Jung

[Anonymous No.20350314]

>>20350276
Addicted to Sissy Hypnosis, many such cases.

[OP No.20350316]

>>20350271
I appreciate this advice. I feel like I'm empty of most spirituality right now. However, I keep thinking about Lao Tzu's comment that the emptiness is what gives a bowl it's value.

I've always been a fan of St. Augustine, so I suppose I just have to walk the Path and find out.

[Anonymous No.20350337]

>>20350314
she's a real female, not a tranny

[Anonymous No.20350343]

>>20350306
>>20350316
unironically read Evola. He addresses these issues and helps to resolve them. Worked for me quite well, plus you'll actually start understanding these enigmatic esoteric quotes if you go down the rabbit hole far enough.

[OP No.20350357]

>>20350343
I have a history of anxiety/panic attacks. Sometimes I'm worried if I read this esoteric stuff it'll make me wacko.

[Anonymous No.20350381]

Read Gilgamesh. It's better than all of the other shite suggested here so far

[Anonymous No.20350383]

>>20350357
Ah ok, I don't know then. Evola writings helped me find a center within myself, more of a reason for being. Maybe some myths from your ancient ancestors? I find meaning in old Celtic and Irish legends for example, but at the same time it makes me sad, since the world is so gay now. I want to wield a sword and roam the countryside, on a quest.

[Anonymous No.20350391]

>>20350381
>jew shit

[OP No.20350402]

>>20350383
I'm of heavy Irish descent and I often think back to Cú Chulainn dying on his feet and wondering if I could have that courage. Also Medb seems like a total babe.ATVMJ

[Anonymous No.20350470]

>>20350306
find Christ. disregard everything else said here. it's rubbish.
>>20350316
along with Augustine, give entry level theology a go. i think you'll enjoy the Confessions if you like him.
>>20350357
it's gonna be worse than that if you do. esoteric shit is made up nonsense.
>>20350402
>irish mythology
>the eastern philosophy quote
as said, nonsense. drop all of that trash if you truly want the answer.

[Anonymous No.20350477]

>>20350306
>world of the masculineand whatever other junk concepts
i didn't even read that the first time.
refer to the last paragraph >>20350470

[Anonymous No.20350510]

>>20350470
>christian knows nothing about spirituality and thinks he knows everything
no surprise here

[Anonymous No.20350517]

>>20350383
>but at the same time it makes me sad, since the world is so gay now. I want to wield a sword and roam the countryside, on a quest.
The stqrm is cqming...soon we will be the barbarians at the gates...trvst the plqn

[Anonymous No.20350530]

>>20349994
I had a longing for the divine when I was younger. What helped me were the following books:
• Orthodoxy by Chesterton
• Mere Christianity by Lewis
• Plato’s metaphysical works (Phaedo, Parmenides etc)
• Aristotle’s logic (for strong proof based support for divine belief)
• Enneads of Plotinus
• Augustine, everything he wrote. The culmination of the ancient Hellenistic tradition in the Christian faith
• Scripture in the ESV (Read the Psalms and Revelation for what they are, man attempting to explain seeing the infinite in the finite, lean into the mystical nature of the texts)
• Hero with a Thousand Faces by Campbell (a guidebook to the universal spiritual journey of humanity, also helps to see the divine in all our stories and lives)

Hopefully this helps you, OP. It helped me.

[Anonymous No.20350546]

>>20349994
The Yoga Vasistha

[Anonymous No.20350551]

>>20350470
The actual experience of God surpasses all attempts to explain, believe, whatever about him. Our mystical journey to find Him is more valuable than any proofs, readings, or rote sayings that people may trot out.

Augustine, when Jerome passed into His embrace, heard Jerome say “you might as soon enclose the ocean in a small vessel, as soon clasp the whole earth in his fist, as soon halt the movement of the heavens as describe the beatitude of the saints without having experienced it.”

[Anonymous No.20350556]

>>20350551
christianity has no initiatic tradition, it is a spiritual castration

[Anonymous No.20350577]

>>20350556
What? Almost all the sacraments are initiatory.

Baptism, Eucharist, confirmation, orders, all initiatory

[Anonymous No.20350590]

>>20350199
fpbp and checked

[Anonymous No.20350599]

>>20350246
>Read Martin Heidegger. Do not arbitrarily submit to dogma, that is to embrace Nihilism.
>A few months before his death, he met with Bernhard Welte, a Catholic priest, Freiburg University professor and earlier correspondent. The exact nature of their conversation is not known, but what is known is that it included talk of Heidegger's relationship to the Catholic Church and subsequent Christian burial at which the priest officiated.[62][63][64]:10

[Anonymous No.20350611]

>>20349994
You do not have a spiritual problem and your therapist is obviously retarded. Read Positive Disintegration by Dabrowski

[Anonymous No.20350675]

>therapist
Hahaha /lit/, read a book

[Anonymous No.20350676]

>>20349994
Read the Bible, either as >>20350199 said or follow the Bible in a Year podcast which will structure things for you. That said, the first Gospel doesn't get read until day 100, so I'd actually recommend reading Matthew, Mark, Luke, Acts, and John first on your own, and then do BIAY. Reading the OT completely in order is an easy way to get confused once the prophets start appearing disconnected from their corresponding historical book, hence why a reading plan could help.

[Anonymous No.20350714]

>>20350676
This anon has very good advice, OP.

Remember to also shed your preconceptions about the text. Try and read Scripture not as “that thing grandma quoted about the gays” and more as “a 2000 year old account of divinity that men have died to preserve.”

[Anonymous No.20350737]

>>20349994
there's no chemical solution to a spiritual problem, that much i can tell you!

[Anonymous No.20350754]

>>20350530
What do I do if I've read Chesterton, Lewis, Plato, Augustine, Campbell, and Scripture, but could not relate to any of it?

[Anonymous No.20350767]

>>20349994
I am sorry, but I have a hard time picturing a therapist talking about spiritual issues to their patient. Their entire discipline is deeply rooter in physicalism. In fact, spiritual struggle is a prerequisite to be in therapy, if you were spirituality awakened, you would stop going.

[Anonymous No.20350777]

>>20350767
Deeply rooted*
Spiritually awakened*
Sorry, my phone keeps adding mistakes.

[Anonymous No.20350789]

>>20350767
Same here, I'm beginning to wonder whether this thread was started by some raging Christcuck and whether most of the replies aren't just him trying to simulate actual popularity of his shit worldview.

Larptianity and insincerity go hand in hand after all

[Anonymous No.20350897]

>>20350754
Go to Sunday Mass, or whatever name you call it. Talk to the pastor (obviously a male pastor). Pray by walking, to butcher that old phrase.

And I’m completely serious when I say that you should use psychedelics, or at the very least, alcohol. Religion and mysticism is easier to grasp when you have an altered mental state. It allows you to perceive what is beyond, rather than what is immediate.

Barring that, know that St John of the Cross, and Jung for that matter, discussed a dark night of the soul, full of doubt, fear, and mental suffering. It is part of your journey to the divine, and the great minds of the last 2000 years were absolutely not immune to it. Take solace in that and have faith.

[Anonymous No.20350966]

>>20350754
Sounds like you're being contrarian tbqh. Chesterton's Orthodoxy has a wit to it that I'd assume even non-Christians could get a sensible chuckle from.

[Anonymous No.20351047]

>>20350199
A simple order I often recommend is Genesis, Matthew and Luke. Genesis is foundational and should not be ignored, especially as Christ points to paradise as correct order. Which is precisely what a spiritual problem requires. I do recommend seeing a priest and going to liturgy, but everything in good order.

[Anonymous No.20351055]

>>20350966
Chesterton is fun to read and always good for a sensible chuckle. That doesn't mean I agree with his conclusions (or even his premises).

>>20350897
I wouldn't know where to find psychedelics, and while alcohol is enjoyable, it has never lead me to any insights.

Religion and mysticism just seem to be completely unrelated to the world I live in.

[OP No.20351065]

>>20350737

[OP No.20351083]

>>20350789
I went to therapy for anxiety/panic attacks that seem to come out of nowhere. I've done the breathing and meditation exercises and its seemed to alleviate my panic but my therapist says the general anxiety is coming from a spiritual problem. I'm not trying to "start shit" here just trying to find an answer in an actual place of learning.

Also any reading for those of us that have a sudden fear of dropping dead whenever they're in a position to participate in self-expression?

[Anonymous No.20352438]

>>20350337
She?

[Anonymous No.20353725]

>>20349994
Consider the question mark as a holy symbol. There is no freedom of the will, only freedom FROM the will, and that freedom is granted by our ability to question our experiences and follow the resulting lines of inquiry to new possibilities that can be selected from. Consciousness is an evolutionary process: while choice is the selective operation, questioning is the mutagenic. Relate this to "becoming" in the philosophical sense.

Sit down and just start asking yourself questions, and question your questions, and see where it leads.

[Anonymous No.20353727]

Also find a new therapist, yours is a quack.

[Anonymous No.20353728]

>>20349994
mimetic theory

[Anonymous No.20353756]

>>20349994
What does that even mean? Is "spiritual problem" a psychopathological diagnosis?

[Anonymous No.20353761]

>>20353725
>and see where it leads.
Already done that for the past ten years, my conclusion is that it leads virtually nowhere except pretension.

[Anonymous No.20353766]

>>20353756
It means the therapist is pushing their religious views in therapy, which is a BIG no-no.

[Anonymous No.20353788]

>>20350767
>I am sorry, but I have a hard time picturing a therapist talking about spiritual issues to their patient.
It happened to me. I ended up finding out that my therapist was interested in Jung, this was before I'd read anything by him and only knew vaguely about him. I've still only read a few of his books because he is not my thing, but therapists seem to just go with whatever works for their patient if they think it has positive outcomes. There is no "simple fix" in psychology, most therapists will tell you that, and most of them exist to try to help their patients build up an inner strength so that they do not become dependent upon their medication (so they can ween off and live relatively normal lives).
>Their entire discipline is deeply rooter in physicalism
This is silly. Most of it is rooted in behaviorism, it doesn't presume anything philosophical.

[Anonymous No.20353792]

>>20353766
How so? It seems like the therapist was just stating what they saw was the problem.

[Anonymous No.20353876]

>>20353792
I don't think it's a proper answer. Back when psychoanalysis was the norm at least they tried to get to the root of the problem (i.e. some deeper issue seated in the psyche, whether it's something blocking him or just desire itself)

[Anonymous No.20353927]

Soulcraft by Plotkin

New Self New Wold By Shepherd

[Anonymous No.20353932]

>>20350306
>Sometimes I think I've failed to enter the world of the masculine. Idk.


iron john by bly

[Anonymous No.20353938]

>>20349994
read her the Red Book by Carl Jung backwards to her

[Anonymous No.20353943]

>>20349994
The Brothers Karamazov

[Anonymous No.20354691]

>>20349994
Don’t read the Bible.

[OP No.20355332]

>>20353927
Which one would choose to bite in first between the two?

[Anonymous No.20355523]

>>20350199
>>20350530
should i read the bible or lewis and chesterton or go for theology/scripture study? I want to know more about christianity/catholicism but im kinda lost

[Anonymous No.20355533]

You're better off with Buddhism to be honest.
Christianity has a lot of positives to it, but the biggest negative is that if you don't get that Disneyworld experience with it, if it doesn't just strike a chord with you and become the most magical thing you've ever seen, it's tempting to believe that you've done something wrong, that God hasn't touched you yet and you have to try harder, so you end up running in circles, doing all sorts of crazy selfless shit, so some extradimensional thing will make itself known to you. Christianity tells you that the divinity is all around you and if you aren't experiencing it, you haven't repented properly. Buddhism tells you that the divinity is around and in you, and is you. You just haven't screwed your head on and realized it, yet.

[Anonymous No.20355548]

>>20350599
That was just to get a proper burial

Heidegger was an ”atheist” (extremely critical towards Abrahamitic monotheism) most of his life

[Anonymous No.20355560]

>>20350199
Read the bible with Concordance translations.
KJV has 22,000 mistranslations.

[Anonymous No.20355581]

Be aware that if you read the Old Testament before the New, you run the risk of becoming a Kabbalist.

[Anonymous No.20355616]

>>20355581
What's wrong with Kabbalah?

[Anonymous No.20355632]

>>20349994
>>20350306
Reading the Gospels has not done anything for me personally, I sincerely don't get what people see in them, and I'm not even an atheist. I can relate to what you're feeling and no books have brought me closer to "finding my core" or anything of the sort. I liked Phaedo, but it didn't spark anything within me.
>>20355533
Not OP, I read a few books on Buddhism and found that it made more sense to me than Christianity, but past that, no deeper realizations. And yes I have meditated, still do actually.

[Anonymous No.20355657]

>>20355523
both honestly, and i recommend the order i put into that first post for Bible reading. or, as some suggested, plans like the Bible in a year or the M'Cheyne.

try getting the Gospels down and then going into the theology for anything you didn't quite understand/to find out more of the things you didn't catch. careful when you read the Epistles, they're very dense texts, and it's quite easy to misunderstand.

authors like Lewis and whatnot are great for reading at any point really; i'd recommend Mere Christianity straight out, it's a very good entry level book. i've heard The Case for Christ is also quite nice.

to be concise, that's quite subjective. my personal suggestion is do all three interwoven. the most important is Bible study, followed by (pure) theological study(you need to know the Bible to study it deeply, of course) followed by such other books.
and, as it bears repeating, 2 Peter 1:20
great rule of thumb to not be fooled by people who warp Scripture for their own ends.
and especially the other rule of thumb i put in the first post. if something sounds odd, check credible theology.
the golden rule really: the Bible is inerrant.

another tip is checking other translations, and the original; some take a little too much literary freedom in how they translate. (Biblehub is a great site for all of that)

[Anonymous No.20355667]

>>20355632
try some theology and such.
could you try to pin your issue with Christianity down in questions? might be able to help.

[Anonymous No.20355685]

>>20355667
I'm not really interested in Christianity anymore honestly but thanks

[Anonymous No.20355696]

>>20355685
why not then? don't you still feel empty?

[Anonymous No.20355705]

>>20355696
Yeah, but that isn't the path for me. I'm seeking something else.

[Anonymous No.20355708]

>>20355667
not the anon you were talking to but my main issue is i, personally, cannot accept that God loves me. i understand God is all loving and cares for us, I just can't accept He love me, just like I can't accept when people do/say the same which i'm guessing comes from my home life/experiences
any tips? spoke to a priest and he said people who come from abusive/neglectful families always have the hardest time with converting

[Anonymous No.20355714]

>>20355708
love you for what you are (struggling with sin and such), or simply love at all?

[Anonymous No.20355719]

>>20355705
come back to it, and study deeper. you'll be surprised.

[Anonymous No.20355721]

>>20355714
simply love at all. i understand it's a psychological thing on my end but it doesn't make it any easier

[Anonymous No.20355722]

It has been taught: The Book of Concealment, a book balanced on scales. For until there was a balance, they did not gaze face-to-face, and the primordial kings died and their weapons vanished and the earth was nullified. Until the head of Desire of all Desires arranged and bestowed garments of glory.

This balance hangs in a place that is not; weighed upon it were those who did not exist. The balance stands on its own, ungrasped and unseen. Upon it rose and upon it rise those who were not, and who were, and who will be.

Secrecy within secrecy was prepared and arranged in a single skull filled with crystalline dew. Membrane of air, purified and sealed; those strands of clean fleece hanging evenly. Will of Wills is revealed through prayer of those below. Open-eyed watching, never sleeping, ever vigilant; supervision below by supervision of radiance above, in whom are two holes of an armoire arousing breath for all.

[Anonymous No.20355732]

You can try the abrahamic religions depending on your needs or the Hindus/Buddhists. Jung and Freud also work.

Philosophywise, try existentialists like Camus or Sartre. Maybe Nietzsche or Kierkegaard.

[Anonymous No.20355744]

>>20355719
I did a few times but I came to my conclusions at this point, it's just fundamentally not something I resonate with in any way. Studying Buddhism was interesting but there's something missing there too. I've never read Jung so maybe I'll follow /lit/'s advice since he's so often recommended here.

[Anonymous No.20355765]

Read and practice the I Ching.

[Anonymous No.20355777]

>>20355721
Psalm 27:10, Isaiah 49:15, John 3:16
>Though my father and mother forsake me, the LORD will receive me.

>Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!

>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Isaiah specifically might be exactly what you're after. that's God talking to you.
furthermore, to help, remember that He is perfect. that is His word, and God cannot lie(because He is perfect). (Numbers 23:19)
try asking in the Bible thread aswell, you might get someone more eloquent.

[Anonymous No.20355789]

>>20355744
please don't. what were your Biblical studies, if i may ask?
although you might be offended, i can affirm those conclusions are categorically wrong.

[Anonymous No.20355793]

>>20349994
Read the Quran not the Bible

[Anonymous No.20355797]

>>20355789
I'm not offended, just not interested in further engaging with Christianity. I believe my conclusions are right and your assertion is wrong but arguing about it will be fruitless

[Anonymous No.20355818]

>>20349994
Read Ecclesiastes, that's the only good part of the Bible. The rest is trash.

Next, take a heroic dose of shrooms.

[Anonymous No.20355820]

>>20355818
Starting with a heroic dose might not be the brightest idea

[Anonymous No.20355890]

>>20355820
That's just wasteful

[Anonymous No.20355894]

>>20350530
>Plato
>Aristotle
>Plotinus
Top tier. For some people it's hard to adhere to religion but by studying logic, metaphysics and so on it's easier to convince oneself in the existence of a spiritual realm. In fact, once you really delve into Platonism, Neoplatonism and so on, it's super hard to return back to nihilistic materialism.
I'd also add Stoicism. It's more down to earth and is very applicable to daily life. Epictetus, Mark Aurelius, Seneca - all of them are great.

[Anonymous No.20355896]

>>20355890
It's safer, especially if you don't have a sitter. Starting with 2 or 2.5 would be a better idea to first get a feel for shrooms and not be overwhelmed when you take a higher dose.

[Anonymous No.20355905]

>>20350530
>>20355894
>strong proof based support for divine belief
I don't get this. I never needed proof to reject physicalism and I think it goes the other way too. Do people really stop being physicalists when they read logical arguments? There are good arguments for either side, rationalism has its limits

[Anonymous No.20355922]

Christianity is so empty and pointless, it's like a placebo religion. I can't understand how anyone who didn't grow up swimming in it can come to it and find it meaningful. They offer no direct experience of God in the church or in the Bible. It's all just words and discussions, saying "you're gonna experience him if you just believe" and "trust us man, God is like totally all around and it's gonna kick in soon" but you might as well be telling me anything. I hate to sound like a Reddit atheist or teenager but I really believe you have to be some kind of sheep or NPC to really buy into it. And yes I read Lewis, the whole Bible, Aquinas, Augustine, and a lot of other classical and contemporary writers on the subject. I went to a Jesuit high school and college and we read a ton of stuff about Christianity and catholicism. I can believe the core theology is sound on an intellectual level but it has no feeling and no meaning.

I believe early Christianity featured direct experiences of God because the people used to go into the tombs and trip out on psychedelic drugs, that's why it caught on, but once the Catholic Church became a bureaucracy and political authority it sanitized the real Christianity and gave people an empty narrative version to keep them in line and make them good soldiers and mothers. They subsequently murdered and burned at the stake hundreds of thousands of women, gnostics, and preachers for offering direct experiences of God directly to the people because they believe these experiences should only be accessible to the elite.

So OP, my vote is to also take shrooms.

[Anonymous No.20355927]

>>20355922
Are shrooms as extraordinary as people make them seem?

[Anonymous No.20355929]

>>20349994
>Therapist says I ultimately have a "spiritual problem"
Imagine paying a nigga to tell you this

[Anonymous No.20355944]

>>20355927
70% of people administered psilocybin in a Johns Hopkins study ranked it as the single most meaningful experience of their entire life

[Anonymous No.20355946]

>>20355944
For what dosage

[Anonymous No.20355979]

>>20355946
22 or 30 mg of psilocybin / 70 kg
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5367557/

[Anonymous No.20355988]

>>20355979
How much is that in dried shrooms

[Anonymous No.20356005]

>>20355988
Most shrooms you buy are cubensis, that's the easy kind to grow indoors. It's like 3-5 grams of dried shrooms.

[Anonymous No.20356011]

>>20356005
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.20356024]

>>20349994
Ludwig Klages - Cosmogonic Reflections
Søren Kierkegaard - Fear and Trembling
Time to abandon the Geist.

[Anonymous No.20356046]

>>20349994
Yes.

[Anonymous No.20356091]

>>20351083
>for anxiety/panic attacks that seem to come out of nowhere.
why people are so retarded?. just talk to yourself. just be sincere with you. there is no one to judge you, no one to listen, you dont have to hide anything from nobody. just you.
just a little introspection can tell you why you have panic attacks. a cure?. thats another story and its always a partial lie. but come on, you know why. you should know why you have anxiety if you dont think in your exterior persona that cant have panic attacks.

[Anonymous No.20356100]

>>20356091
Why are people sad when they can just be happy? Must be retarded

[Anonymous No.20356111]

>>20353788
>and most of them exist to try to help their patients build up an inner strength so that they do not become dependent upon their medication
i gonna medicate you to live the life you should live, the life we all think you should really life... till you get to that point we give you inner strenght, and if you can reach it then you can become dependent of medication just because is the best life for you.
>you dont know shit about psychologists work.

[Anonymous No.20356123]

>>20356100
im not saying that. im saying that you know why you are sad. dont be fucking stupid just because you want to be stupid.

[OP No.20356138]

The whole "spiritual problem" comment came from my therapist after multiple appointments. Each one my generalized anxiety would go down but I keep having this sudden fear of dropping dead and anxiety around getting my heart rate up. And this has remained the same, the therapist think its related to my self-worth and ultimately my spiritual core which I seem to not be identifying with. I have a huge problem with authenticity as am from a huge family where individuality was never recognized (in addition to my Catholic upbringing). Also I'm big into Jung and the Hero's Journey and my therapist is as well.

Its like I feel like if I express myself Truthfully I will literally drop dead. Idk what book is out there for this. Its like I'm in a constant state of tension. I'm completely healthy and both sides of the genetic pool lived long (80+) and hard lives.

Honestly the more I think about it this anxiety started after I read some Tolstoy (Anna Karenina, Ivan Ilych, etc.), maybe I got checked by that damn Russian.

[Anonymous No.20356174]

>>20356138
why do you go to a therapist?. you are giving power to someone just for a deluded faith. if you think your individuality is negated what are you gonna do?. what you think about that?. there is no solutions to things like that, its in your hand, you can be a non-individuality conformity or be yourself and suffer for it. its just a decision.

[OP No.20356197]

>>20356174
Fuck I don't know man. All my emotions are either anger, subdued anger, or just a neutral lifeless response to the world. All my dream journal entries seem to have an angry Sith Lord looking version of myself or some vampires or some shit.

Idk some days I wish I was back in 500 AD and I'm being tutored in a Church while the Western World burns and there's no Internet. Despite all this I am still -alive- and somehow content.

[Anonymous No.20356207]

>>20356123
People with anxiety disorders just get anxiety for no reason. Or the trigger is something mundane/stupid like talking to a girl, or they're afraid of having a heart attack. I have a friend who's afraid of his own heartbeat because he thinks his heart is going to beat out of control until it explodes, and every time he thinks about this, it starts happening. I am afraid of women, when I talk to girls it makes me want to vomit on them. Then I have to focus all my effort on not vomiting which is even more nerve wracking/stressful. Usually there is this kind of feedback loop involved. There isn't a deeper answer "why" that you can get from introspection, they're just hypersensitive to random things and anxious about anxiety itself. Knowing this doesn't help anyone get over it.
A better answer "why" probably has something to do with a failure in the way we were raised. I think the fact that I spent all my time as a child indoors building models rather than going outside and falling out of trees made my brain have a warped and hypersensitive response to what should be bearable amounts of stress. But knowing this doesn't help me get over it either.

[Anonymous No.20356228]

>>20356138
See a psychiatrist and get on anti-anxiety meds.

[Anonymous No.20356232]

>>20356138
I do not have the answers sadly, just a few hopefully interesting questions.

>my spiritual core which I seem to not be identifying with
What do you mean by „spiritual core“? What does the concept describe?

>huge problem with authenticity
What exactly is authenticity? Does it have something to do with expectations people have of you?

>I feel like, if I express myself Truthfully I will literally drop dead
What do you mean by „express myself truthfully“? Truth, in this context, is a matter of comparison of states. Truthful = if inside matches outside.
Do you intentionally lie? Or do you just feel like what you’re saying isn’t your „true self“?
If so, how are you able to judge that? Who or what is your „true self“? What believes does he hold and where do those come from?

[Anonymous No.20356237]

>>20355922
Christian mysticism/esotericism seems like the answer, but then all the other Christians call you a heretic or whatever

[Anonymous No.20356244]

>>20356207
>they're just hypersensitive to random things
you really believe it?. you really believe your examples are random?. what a silly vision of life. i repeat, im not saying knowing why you have anxiety stop the anxiety. im not saying that. just dont be retard and talk to yourself with honesty. people dont know themselves to a degree that i dont believe possible.

[Anonymous No.20356245]

>>20356232
If it wasn’t clear I’m asking myself some of those as well and would really like you to try and answer at least some, so that we can maybe discuss further.

[Anonymous No.20356246]

>>20349994
It's because you mislead him/her by talking about abstract shit instead of saying you are a virgin loner

[Anonymous No.20356252]

>>20356197
>All my emotions are either anger, subdued anger
and you still dont know why you have anxiety?. just be honest about your hate or anger or whatever.

[Anonymous No.20356269]

>>20353788
>This is silly
No it's not, I've you've ever been in therapy, you'd know how much it's rooted in physicalism

[Anonymous No.20356278]

You need to be medicated.

Notify your local public safety department and advertise it via an internet persona. Expose yourself to the whim and judgement of greater society. Internalize modern political and social theory. Look to normative public and private experts for moral frameworks. Do not burden yourself with concepts from antiquity. You are a modern being whose agency is derived from the institutional dominion that justifiably wedges its way into our lives. The sooner we are all a highly regulated chemical people, the better.

[OP No.20356304]

>>20356232

>What do you mean by „spiritual core“? What does the concept describe?
I suppose I mean an "inner fire" or a "guiding light". Something internal that connects me to something external beyond my five senses. I suppose the thing I am actually suppose to be "fueling" by my actions beyond eating/sleeping/reproducing. By fueling it I a have purpose beyond being an animal?

>What exactly is authenticity? Does it have something to do with expectations people have of you?
Yes I feel like if I meet my own internal expectation and act on it (my definition of authenticity) I will always fall shorts of people's expectation of me. Considering one of my big fears is I'm ultimately going to turn into some loner old man who lives in the woods with his dog and I fear that not meeting people's expectations will cause this, thus the authenticity loop.

>What do you mean by „express myself truthfully“? Truth, in this context, is a matter of comparison of states. Truthful = if inside matches outside.
Do you intentionally lie? Or do you just feel like what you’re saying isn’t your „true self“?
If so, how are you able to judge that? Who or what is your „true self“? What believes does he hold and where do those come from?
I feel like I've intentionally lied since I was child in order to fit in with my family/friends/coworkers expectation of me. It feels like living the lie gives me more truth than Truth itself. But if I take a deep breath and take myself out of a situation I'm about to "live the lie" of I find I don't know what situation to make internally, I only know the decision I am going to make based off people's expectations. When I think of what decision "I" will make there is none. I mean I have preferences there are food/hobbies/people I prefer over others but I have no independent "Truth" to follow.

These might be ramblings but I'm just sort of shooting out stream of consciousness here.

[Anonymous No.20356305]

>>20356228
worst possible advice, faggot

[Anonymous No.20356320]

>>20356278
that comments are ironic, arent they?

[Anonymous No.20356325]

>>20349994
>therapist

[OP No.20356329]

>>20356304
Just writing out these comments make my heart race, FYI, I suppose I should just accept it.

[Anonymous No.20356348]

>>20356278
I mean, I feel the Anon with anger issues might need medication, lack of emotion beyond one set of expressions is unhealthy and indicates imbalance in production.

On the other hand, you're correct about involvement with different institutions, though I do think local involvement is good. As far as your implied conspiracy attempting control or guided plan goes, there are several powers vying for control, who they are changes regularly, and so principles must be applied to maintain themselves, there isn't much one can do beyond relative personal maintenance.
This shouldn't affect local doctors much, unless you're in a dense urban environment. Most doctors are only partially monetarily under the influence of pharmaceuticals, and few mentally

[Anonymous No.20356351]

>>20356329
Read this thread
>>20355753

[OP No.20356369]

>>20356351
I had ADHD as a child and am beginning to think this might be how it has manifested as an adult.

Fuck am I using this entire thread for my own validation?

[Anonymous No.20356424]

>>20356369
I wouldn't worry about it

[Anonymous No.20356477]

>>20355922
>>20355632
>Reading the Gospels has not done anything for me personally, I sincerely don't get what people see in them, and I'm not even an atheist. I can relate to what you're feeling and no books have brought me closer to "finding my core" or anything of the sort. I liked Phaedo, but it didn't spark anything within me.

These people have a severe misunderstanding of what religion is. It's some sort of modern pathology, like the hunt for happiness. You've gotten this idea into your head that you're supposed to be feeling a profound spiritual illumination, that it's all supposed to just click and you will experience God, and so you're searching and searching for this ephemeral experience. Meanwhile the vast majority of religionists, past and present, go about their lives with a very mundane feeling. Perhaps sometimes, once in a blue moon, they will experience some sort of supernatural phenomenon--nothing crazy,of course; they see Jesus in a dream or a person around them was healed mysteriously but from a normal illness or he saw a some strange light--which only serves to reaffirm what they already believe, or they will sit down one day and feel a great profundity and joy or a peace that is beyond words contemplating creation or God, and then it passes. It was only for a moment, and life returns to normal. That sort of stuff is not the purpose of religion, it doesn't prove or disprove a religion, and it is a fool's errand to spend your life looking for it. Even if you find it, it doesn't last, and I believe it would be the fruits, and bonuses, to a faith and observance that is not grounded in this strange reductionist view of religion as a means to transient sensation.

[Anonymous No.20356503]

>>20355332
Soulcraft

[Anonymous No.20356507]

>>20349994
Is LSD an option? Widely known to give you a bona fide mystical experience, and all you need is to take 10h out of your day

[Anonymous No.20356511]

>>20349994
>Therapist says I ultimately have a "spiritual problem", anything reading suggestions? Maybe I should just read the Bible anons...
>pic related

and this:
>>20356431
>>20355950

[Anonymous No.20356516]

>>20356477
I agree with you, but I would also add that many take this in almost the opposite direction (at least with my experiences in Christianity) and make it focused on the cold logic, without allowing the capacity for the Truth to interact with how you emotionally relate to the world. I agree the focus should not be experience, but it shouldn't be discouraged (per say) either.

[OP No.20356552]

I think I'm going to read Soulcraft and Mere Christianity then dive into the Bible in a Year podcast. After that I'll go from there.

Does anyone have a suggestion for books to read if I feel like I've locked all my emotions into a box (lf qt pandora gf).

[Anonymous No.20356564]

>>20356511
What is this from?

[Anonymous No.20356571]

>>20356304
>Something internal that connects me to something external
Sounds like you do not feel connected to your friends, your family..
This really sounds like the most basic description of love.

>something external beyond my five senses
If it’s beyond your senses how would you know if its there? How would you know it isn’t already there?

>the thing I am actually suppose to be "fueling" by my actions beyond eating/sleeping/reproducing. By fueling it I a have purpose beyond being an animal?
First of all who said „supposed to“?
But sounds like something greater than yourself. Something worth the suffering.
Only in recent times could you think this. Men had believed themselves to be divine, the crown of creation, the center of the universe.
You said you were brought up catholic and it seems the conflict between our Zeitgeist and that have left quite a hole in your sole.
First of all try to get your animal-needs met right. They won’t go away until you die and can be a huge source of meaning.

>I feel like if I meet my own internal expectation and act on it (my definition of authenticity) I will always fall shorts of people's expectation of me
But where do those expectations of yourself come from? Why do you think it’s important to do A and not B? Based on what?
Even the thought that you will fall short of others expectations is an expectation of yourself. Where did that come from? Who‘s expectation didn’t you meet? Why did they expect these things of you?

>ultimately going to turn into some loner old man who lives in the woods with his dog
Sounds great to me haha. If the reason that old man is there in the woods is because he only cared about being satisfied with meeting his own expectations then surely he is fine with being there in that beautiful forrest with his loyal companion.
You seem to care A LOT about others expectations though.

[Anonymous No.20356587]

>>20356304
>>20356571
cont.

>But if I take a deep breath and take myself out of a situation I'm about to "live the lie" of I find I don't know what situation to make internally, I only know the decision I am going to make based off people's expectations. When I think of what decision "I" will make there is none.
That actually seems very insightful, thank you for writing it out.
Humans are social beings. Society works because we have the ability to play roles. We can „lie“ or „act“. We can suppress our first instinct and act according to stories.
I believe what you’re perceiving (that fact is quite profound) is that you’re playing a role.
Most likely only few people have told you what they expect of you. You THINK they expect that of you because you’ve learned through stories about what your role is in these situations and you don’t want to mess up the play. It’s your social circuits working as intended.

>When I think of what decision "I" will make there is none.
Exactly. Now surely if you think of what role you are playing (in a situation) and what that role should do, you could think of something, right?
Now think of what roles you play in your life. How do these fit together? If they don’t, could you make them fit by prioritizing them?
What roles would you like to play? What would the stage look like? What would the other actors be like?
They also gotta read at least a similar script, right?

To find out which roles you CAN play there’s only one way to find out. You can only measure yourself by trying to fill a role and seeing if you fit.
Like if you were a shape but you don’t know which. You’d have to try squeezing yourself through differently shapes holes to see if you fit and then you’d have an approximation.

Taking action is the only way to get to know your capabilities. Studying the stories you believe is the only way to getting to know yourself.
You will die, that’s the one thing that’s for sure. But was it a good show? Did you play your roles well? We’re you a good man?

[OP No.20356634]

>>20356587

This is very insightful, thank you. I suppose that meme'd Shakespeare quote is rather accurate.

>You seem to care A LOT about others expectations though.
I do put A LOT of value in people's expectations of me. I was raised by divorced parents who each individually came from huge families with huge social circles who expect you to follow a very strict sets of steps into adulthood. Naturally being torn between the two I failed at both since I was set on both paths with half-measures and weak direction with the other reinforcing that I should be going there path and not the other.

Anyways what I'm getting at is since childhood I was raised that these kind of group social obligations are more important than myself as an individual and this kind of idea was reiterated through childhood and young adulthood in school and work. Unfortunately I never fell into these social groups I was -suppose- to based off my family name and location of my birth and now I feel as though I'm suppose to wander the Earth like Cain without ever having murdered anyone outside of my own self-esteem.

My brain is wired and reinforced by childhood upbringing to only care about these specific small social groups but due to how I was raised I was never allowed into this sort of tribe fully and now have lost my chance at this point. I have become quite successful materialistically in my own personal life but I would literally give it away in a moment's notice if it meant i could fuse myself into one of these social groups and even let go of my individuality to allow it to happen. I think that is where the danger I feel when experiencing the "Truth" and being authentic is coming from I am wired that this will only further isolate myself from what I believe is my "tribe".

Honestly idk what to say anymore a year ago I felt like I could take on the world and now I'm literally put into a state of fright just by my own heart beating. Just another day on the Path I suppose.

[Anonymous No.20356644]

>>20356564
Found it on /pol/ a few years back.
No Idea.

[Anonymous No.20356657]

>>20349994
>Therapist says I ultimately have a "spiritual problem"
does he also say your chakras are misaligned?

[Anonymous No.20356668]

>>20356644
I was able to track it down with a quick search.
"Welcome to 4chan", Tom Jennings

[Anonymous No.20356689]

Like the other anons are saying, read the Bible, but I'd specifically recommend the Book of Job, and then read Kierkegaard: Fear and Trembling, Either/Or, Sickness Unto Death and read them with a humorous eye

[Anonymous No.20356726]

>>20356668

[Anonymous No.20356734]

>>20356689
>>20349994
>>The Seventh Seal - Kierkegaard's Knight of Faith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B_D0efnj7E&ab_channel=boyinthebadlands

[Anonymous No.20356735]

I mean, read different religious texts. I don't see why the Bible should be the main one you focus on. I don't see how existential despair leads to a Jew from the Levant or a Bedouin savage from Arabia. They're not even that interesting or sensible compared to other mystics, including from that region.

[Anonymous No.20356756]

>>20349994
Spiritual problems can't be solved. More rumination and reading will just make the problem bigger as this world only seems to have a boner for materialism. Try ignorance instead. Try praying to Jesus.

[Anonymous No.20356765]

>>20350306
Read The Industrial Society and Its Future.

[Anonymous No.20356775]

>>20356634
>since childhood I was raised that these kind of group social obligations are more important than myself as an individual
It’s kind of a paradox. Your „individuality“ consists of all of the stories you have internalized and all the roles you play. So it is not at all separate from those social obligations. So they are a part of yourself. They can’t be more important than yourself, only more important than other parts.

>without ever having murdered anyone outside of my own self-esteem
You didn’t murder it. You just never got the chance to develop it. Cain was jealous of someone receiving more love than him. That more loved version of you never existed. You might hate that but it is what it is and it couldn’t have existed under the circumstances.

>I would literally give it away in a moment's notice if it meant i could fuse myself into one of these social groups and even let go of my individuality to allow it to happen
Again that paradox. Right now from the stories you’ve been told you exist but your not really part of the play.
If you were that would increase your individuality. It would allow you to actually BE SOMEONE to play a role that exists in those stories. To represent identify with something greater than yourself.
Some role to point to and say „I am that“.
„Allow it to happen“.. did you ever see an actor allow the play around him to happen? Someone who’s passive isn’t „acting“.

>I'm literally put into a state of fright just by my own heart beating.
Quite symbolic. You’re afraid of dropping dead, ultimately having been no one, for your role would live on. And your heart rate going up, which is actually a sign of exertion, life, movement, power.

Synthesize your own story. Build your own tribe. Write your own play to give you a role that’s nice. But know it only becomes real when others believe it too. Don’t be afraid to loose yourself by being someone.
And last but not least:
>Just another day on the Path I suppose
Miss me with that shit. It’s not just another day. It’s a day unlike the one before that and the one before that one. It is a new day and it could be a new path.

Being afraid of death but being afraid of being alive sounds worse.
You have my compassion, good luck anon.

[Anonymous No.20356779]

>>20356726
My brain is hardwired to do the opposite. How do I gatsby_pepe.png my brain?

[Anonymous No.20356797]

>>20356779
>How do I gatsby_pepe.png my brain?
Don't, at least not IRL. It's a fair approach online though.
>>20356726
I mean, I wanted to read more, so I found it. It devolved into gay sex, unfortunately.

[OP No.20356823]

>>20356775
>Quite symbolic. You’re afraid of dropping dead, ultimately having been no one, for your role would live on. And your heart rate going up, which is actually a sign of exertion, life, movement, power.

I didn't think about it like this. I'm afraid of my own agency...

[Anonymous No.20356832]

>>20350199
What is the book that goes along with the Bible that goes into depth about the Greek translation?

[OP No.20356842]

>>20356775
>You have my compassion, good luck anon.

Thank you anon. I will you take your words with me and think of them when my heart beats!

[Anonymous No.20356843]

I have a hard time sympathizing with people who have artificial psychological problems relating to how others perceive them. I can sympathize more with people who are having trouble landing a good job/career, becoming depressed from working a dead end or soulless job, stuck in a violent area due to certain demographics, and so on. However, when people start complaining about issues like low self-esteem from past upbringing, spiritual crises in regards to traditions I don't give two shits about, and etc., I don't care.

[Anonymous No.20356856]

>>20356797
>It devolved into gay sex, unfortunately.
ohhh fuggg XDD

[Anonymous No.20356876]

>>20356843
What is your answer for it then? Don't spit on the thirsty man and not tell him where the water came from.

[Anonymous No.20356888]

>>20356843
Is the way you think about yourself different from others' perception of you? How so? Is that inherent? Important? It's good that you don't personally seem to have issues with this. Is social standing not important for you, so people who are concerned about it, to you, dealing with nothing?

[Anonymous No.20356899]

>>20356244
Well, they probably have some kind of source, like maybe one time I went outside as a kid and a girl laughed at me and it caused an intense fear that snowballed into an anxiety disorder over time. Or maybe one time my dad said something to me about women when I was in an impressionable young state and it stuck and grew into a weird complex. I consider this random enough, insofar as whether you're hit by a car or not as a child and develop a subsequent anxiety about cars is a random event that could happen to anyone. But you seem to be implying that these disorders continually arise from a fundamental cause that is something to be honest with myself about. I mean, what is there to get besides a fear just being there? Do you have any kind of theoretical example of what you mean?

[Anonymous No.20356901]

>>20356876
>>20356888

You can only learn the answer once you're thrown into the urban jungle and have to support yourself. I'm not a Jew who believes all spiritual matters can be resolved with financial stability, but it is a necessity -- not sufficient. Granted, much of the psychological issues revolving around excessively caring about what others think about you originates from being either overly pampered or deluded and not knowing the importance of money for survival, at least in this current system, which is of course very far from ideal.
What I'm saying is if you have money, you don't have to give a shit what people think about you and most psychological "problems" fix themselves over time.
In this sense, being poor for some time would wake up pampered people like OP.
Also, on a deeper level, why should I care about OP? No one has ever truly cared about me. I don't care about most people outside how I can manipulate them for my own financial benefit. It reminds me of this quote from UG Krishnamurti:

>The only test for me is money. How free you are with your money? I don’t mean, “How wasteful you are with your money?”

This is why I cannot entirely hate religious frauds who use their position of status to manipulate the dumb masses for money. It is to be expected to a large extent.
If someone is yelling hurtful things at you, and you know he's poor whilst you're not, it's just best to laugh it off and take glee at the thought they will die in poverty and pain. However, when you're poor, the pain is real because you start becoming paranoid that maybe that's why you weren't successful rather than weakness in merit.

Good insurance is a better friend than most people in the modern age. Overly sentimental people should try being poor for some time and work a dead end job. Extra pain if you have an actual degree (that's also supposedly in demand).

[Anonymous No.20356921]

>>20356507
Psilocybin is a bit more of a focused teacher, start with that first

[Anonymous No.20356929]

>>20356901
I was asking about your personal feelings, not for my own benefit. So when isolated from monetary influence, the issue of others' perception of you is gone?

Also, a simple yes/no for this one, please: If you're rich, mental issues solve themselves?

[Anonymous No.20356937]

Yes the Bible but also Anna Karenina. The Levin parts especially

[OP No.20356948]

>>20356937
>The Levin parts especially
OP here. So this anxiety began after finishing Anna Karenina around a year ago. I've never found a character I've identified with more than Levin. The whole Russian social scene strongly correlated with my own experiences growing up.

The passage where Levin is at the ice rink is pure beauty. That scene where he runs out to his wife and child under the tree during the storm is the most beautiful part of the book and its burnt into my mind.

Previously I would have thought saying something like this would be pretentious and "overly intellectual" but that book changed me. I can date things before AK and after AK now.

[Anonymous No.20356949]

>>20349994
Start with the greeks.
Begin with Homer.
Start with Plato.
Aristotle.
Then Bible.
Then renaissance/Enlightenment.
with novels paralell. Dante, Milton etc.
Rationalism vs Empiricism.
Kant time.
Hegel.
Scopenhauer.
Marx.
Nietzsche.
Heidegger.

>BONUS:
Baghavad Ghita.
The Quran.
The Eddas.
Siddharta.
Mans search for meaning.
The hermetic corpus.

>OBS!
Not necessarily in that order.

[Anonymous No.20356954]

>>20356477
>You've gotten this idea into your head that you're supposed to be feeling a profound spiritual illumination, that it's all supposed to just click and you will experience God
This is exactly how every religion sells itself. If an alien or a baby read the gospels and went to mass, knowing nothing about reality or religion, they would expect some meaningful sensation to arise from following its instructions. They would expect to feel the warm love of God flow through them like a liquid hug from the Eucharist, they have literally eaten a God's flesh and blood. They would expect profound revelation and direct experience of God. People seeking this kind of thing from religion are ironically the only ones who actually understand it correctly, which necessarily entails being misled.

[Anonymous No.20356960]

>>20356929
>If you're rich, mental issues solve themselves?
Most of them.

[Anonymous No.20356972]

>>20356948
What anxiety?
towards what faggot?

[Anonymous No.20356984]

>>20356552
Naked Lunch

[OP No.20356993]

>>20356972
The fact that I'm living a fake, insincere life. And my inability to confidently do something about is making me fear even being alive. Health anxiety, strong fear of death, etc.

Above anons words really helped.

[Anonymous No.20357000]

>>20356993
You need to be poor for some time.

[Anonymous No.20357004]

>>20357000
Why do you assume the financial status of everyone? Nobody cares about that here

[OP No.20357008]

>>20357000
I was raised without a lot of money. Car was repossessed a few times. Dad was late on the bills due to gambling, buying a nice big SUV for himself despite not being able to afford it. I had a spoon but it certaintly wasn't silver.

[Anonymous No.20357010]

>>20356954
>Who says this exactly?

[Anonymous No.20357017]

>>20355905
I’m the anon who mentioned Aristotle’s logic. I read his logic because I wanted confirmation that yes, that which I know by faith, CAN be rationally believed in a very rigorous way.

Augustine indirectly, and Anselm directly, are spot on with the whole idea of “faith seeking understanding”

[Anonymous No.20357022]

>>20357008
Then stop being a bitch by trying to turn the spoon silver by giving greater credence to the validation of others.

[Anonymous No.20357026]

>>20357004
Because most people who develop self-confidence issues over other peoples' judgments do so due to not knowing real struggle.

[Anonymous No.20357028]

>>20356993
Narcsisism;
Talking , without walking the walk.
Parents relationship? You say X but never fulfill your own Standard?
>Read Positive Desintegration and Kohut's Tragic Man.

>The fact that I'm living a fake, insincere life.
Well faggot,
you are in the best place to stop being a double faggot.

4chan's annonymity destroys your "Mirror" idealized image of yourself.
You are stuck in your reflection.
And your reflection cannot act based on the strong persona character foundations your mouth aloud state but that your feet never support.

Here you are no one
but everyone.
You are Evoked your own Imagination to feel and Intuit what The Other aka Anon ( which is not a reflection of yourself ) are saying and expressing and thinking.
>Goethe's Exact Sensible Phantasy.

So, go fuck around different Baords and start fights, LARP as if you were someone you were not, be Sincere, be completly incencere and see how you start Comprehending others more and yourself , not through your Mirror, but thourh your Heart; Kokoro; your Heart-Mind and not your Echo, the mirror image of your idealized Rationalised self.

Check out Evola.
and this:
>>20356511
You are a newfag? how long have you been in the Chans?

[Anonymous No.20357032]

>>20357008
You look like a bitch. Hate.

[Anonymous No.20357034]

>>20357026
Misery does love company faggot

[Anonymous No.20357040]

>>20357028
Check out ; Jung and Karl Kerenyi ; Essays on Mythology

And Jan Assmann's Moses the Egyptian.

And Everything by Byung Chul Han unironically.

[Anonymous No.20357043]

>>20357034
You haven't experienced true misery. Try living in the ghetto, fearing your life from rampaging nignogs as you study a field you hate for job prospects.
I don't care what other people think of me if I had money. I could just sleep it off.

[OP No.20357044]

>>20357032
I'll throw hands with a gorilla, I'll throw hands with you. Then I'll know I'm alive.

[Anonymous No.20357045]

>>20357040
But specially Dabrowksi's Positive Desintegration, that a whitepill right there.

[Anonymous No.20357048]

>>20357044
>He replied to a deleted post
Get off the thread and wash your dishes.

[Anonymous No.20357061]

>>20357043
To judge someone I don't know anything about: Money should be the least of your concerns.

[OP No.20357064]

>>20357028
>You are a newfag? how long have you been in the Chans?

I finally took the greentext pill once the pandemic started and I was at home more. Started with /lit/ moved to /fit/ and generally stay between those. Sometimes I'm in /g/ because I studied and work in comp sci but outside of the unixporn that place is beyond saving.

[Anonymous No.20357077]

>>20357040
Or, you know, realize there is nothing broken

[Anonymous No.20357091]

>>20357061
Money is my number 1 problem, and most of my issues would vanish without it.

[Anonymous No.20357096]

>>20357091
Well go to work then money man stop wasting your time here, time is money

[Anonymous No.20357105]

>>20357096
I can't get a job with two STEM degrees and was scolded by my last boss for being an incompetent programmer. I don't even enjoy programming.
I would have preferred doing many other things, but I lack the funds to do so.

[Anonymous No.20357108]

>>20357045
>>20357040
>>20357028
>>20356993
>The complaint of the depressive individual "nothing is possible", can only occur in a society that thinks, "nothing is impossible"; no-longer-being-able-to-be-able leads to destructive self reproach and auto aggression. The achieve-subject finds itself fighting with itself. The depressive has been wonded by internalised war. Depression is the sickness of a society that suffers from excessive positivity.

> It reflects a humanity waging war with itself.
Byung Chul Han ; Burnout Society.
>The vast majority of society lives in aesthetically afflicted zones where aesthic alienation makes it impossible to live and love oneself.
>By Symbolic MIsery I mean , therefore, the loss of individualisaion which results from the loss of participation in the production of symbols...
>Generalized loss of individualization can only lead to a symbolic collapse, a collapse of desire; a decomposition of the social as such; to total war.

>The resulting symbolic misery is also a lbidinal and affective misery, which leads to the loss of what I call primordial narcissism, whereby individuals are stripped of their ability to form aesthetic attachements to singularities or singular objects..

>once I am deprived of my singularity I can no longer love myself...
>it is only possible to love oneself starting from the intimate knowledge of ones own singularity
>This is why the community originally consists in the intimacy of the Bind between Self and Self.
Bernard Stiegler, Symbolic Misery.


>Boredom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGBL-Nz36D4&t=61s&ab_channel=Evola-Chan

>The Hollow Men by T S Eliot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oH4VBVXS9o&ab_channel=JakeLandsdowne

>ouroboros (nobodytm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKv1EoLqT8Y&t=11s&ab_channel=nobodytmuploads