/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20348082]

>love the concept of fantasy with a passion
>can't stomach to read past the first 3 chapters of most fantasy books I've tried

Why the FUCK is fantasy full of some of the dullest, most generic, uninspired schlock known to man? Is there anything out there anymore that doesn't read like someone transcribed their D&D campaign into the pages? There are so many obvious Tolkien copycats, game of thrones tryhards, and "My magic system is different" Potter imitators.

[Anonymous No.20348088]

fantasy books are only fun to write and never to read

[Anonymous No.20348095]

>>20348082
You should try something different. Look at JoeRape, that's a "fantasy" but it remains incredibly realistic. The only fantasy element is that people aren't massive faggots and are cool instead.

[Anonymous No.20348097]

>>20348082
Just read Lord of the Rings, its the only good fantasy series.

[Anonymous No.20348099]

>>20348095
The irony of the 60 second post timer like I'm expected to shitpost some screed that nobody will read, despite the fact that 99% of people won't even read a jpg.

[Anonymous No.20348105]

>>20348097
I think any sort of sappy idealistic faggotry gets tired as fuck. The second "Dwarves, elves, humans, and hobbits all get along to solve their problems and attain greater success than they would independently" is the second you start teaching people that "Normal People, Blacks, Jews, Communists, Homosexuals, Drug Addicts, Child Rapists and normal people can be more so successful by cooperating and tolerating each other."

I know everybody was technically White in LOTR, but even tolerating subhuman breeds of Whites was a catalyst for the diversity parade celebrating people like Joe Rape.

[Anonymous No.20348116]

>>20348082
Sounds like Moers is for you. He also hates how boring Tolkien is.

[Anonymous No.20348121]

>>20348097

Fantasy is boring because it doesn't feel real enough. You need realistic flavor stories that allows you to voluntarily blur the lines of reality and willfully suspend disbelief.

People are not backwoods peasants anymore, so tales of shit like dragons, wizards, and that shit are much less enjoyable because you're so psychologically conditioned to believe these things cannot be real and have never been real. The peasant who still thinks dragons and wizards are real will love LOTR, but in the age of the internet, it's much harder to genuinely believe folktales and mythology like LOTR, and the believably is what made them so popular among peasants in the first place.

You need to find a type of fantasy that people are ignorant enough to believe "might possibly be true" and that's where you can find the engagement. You become engaged because you want it to be real, so you suspend your disbelief to allow you to enjoy the story.

[Anonymous No.20348131]

>>20348082
Because Tolkien began and ended high fantasy with LoTR. Other high fantasy books are simply not needed.

[Anonymous No.20348132]

>>20348082
Read Dorothy Dunnett.

[Anonymous No.20348140]

>>20348116
I put some classic Joe Rape on this Jewish Anime Child because I figured it would be more pallatable for people who are conditioned like dogs to suffer upon seeing Joe Biden. The irony is that 99% of people are conditioned like dogs to suffer at the sight of paragraphs. The common man hates paragraphs more than racist dogs hate colored people. They can't understand why, they have no legitimate reason, but they have absolutely no capacity to question or resist their conditioning.

[Anonymous No.20348164]

>>20348099
>>20348105
Go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.20348220]

>>20348082
Do better.

[Anonymous No.20348257]

>>20348082
Read the worlds of " Malazan book of the fallen ", " First law " , books by author " Guy Gavriel Kay " , " Poppy war " and " The chronicles of the black company " have amazing lore specially on militaristic level, yet remain quite unknown and underrepresented.

[Anonymous No.20349505]

>>20348082
Tolkien is the only author worth reading in fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20349516]

>>20348088
*easy to write

[Anonymous No.20349658]

>>20348082

Try the Throne of Bones by Brian Mcnaughton. Full of murder, sex, gore, corpse-eating ghouls and necromancers. The stories are all integrated and reference each other and it´s really well written to. Full of dark humor as well. It´s more horror fantasy but the humor makes it less edgy and more of a fun read.

[Anonymous No.20349811]

>>20348105
> explicitly not stated to be allegory
> NOO MY HECKIN FABLES

Why can’t you cunts just appreciate fantasy without applying it to this shitty world?

[Anonymous No.20349821]

>>20349811
I mean *explicitly stated to not be allegory. Fuck, that sounds wrong.

[Anonymous No.20349874]

>>20349658
Fuck yeah, amazing book. Pity about McNaughton himself. I would have been his friend.

[Anonymous No.20350416]

>>20348099
>shitpost some screed that nobody will read
Go sneedpost some seed that nobody will feed.

[Anonymous No.20350682]

>>20348082
blame Tolkien who replaced aesthetics with worldbuilding
read any fantasy written before him and you will swiftly discover what a hack he was

[Anonymous No.20351948]

>>20349874

Yeah it´s a real shame.. I read about a short story he never finished that was published after his death in some obscure magazine. It takes place in the same world I think. Would love to get my hands on it someday.

[Anonymous No.20352377]

>>20348082

Fantasy books have to build an entire world to even begin to tell the story, which is difficult to do in an interesting way.

[Anonymous No.20352381]

>>20348082

That's why historical fiction is superior.

[Anonymous No.20352393]

>>20352377
no they don't lol. tolkien just came up with a funny word ("hobbit") and then kept on bullshitting. there was no "world."

[Anonymous No.20352705]

>>20348082
It's what sells.

[Anonymous No.20352785]

>>20348082
Read the Hero songs of the Eddas.

[Anonymous No.20353574]

>>20351948
I heard there's more of the Throne of Bones universe stories in Nasty Tales or some such collection of his work. I personally can't imagine how he could top Reunion in Cephalune or Meryphillia.

[Anonymous No.20353866]

>>20348082
It seems Fantasy Writers have some innate adversion to prose stylism.

[Anonymous No.20353885]

>>20348082
>love the concept, can't stomach the schlock most of it actually is
I feel the same way about anime tbqh

[Anonymous No.20353920]

>>20348082
Just write yourself then

[Anonymous No.20353969]

Raymond Roussel - Locus Solus

[Anonymous No.20354059]

>>20348082
The best about fantasy is everything the author drops to write to make your imagination work. The worst is an autist who goes into details about everything

[Anonymous No.20354138]

>>20348082
Fantasy is better outside the anglosphere, most french fantasy comics are unique.

[Anonymous No.20354205]

>>20348082
You need to make a favor to yourself and avoid modern anglo fantasy as much as possible. instead, try to read supernatural stories outside genre fiction or look for the few jewels that still can be found within it.
Baudolino by Umberto Eco, the Wandering Unicorn by Manuel Mujica Lainez, Borges, some of the works of Guy Gavriel Kay, older examples like Lord Dunsany and the magical realism movement are pretty good.

>>20348105
If you are this braindead cynic, however, I dont think anything you read will ever satisfy you. You are clearly someone with both his heart and his imagination dead, and if you cant appreciate wonder, then there is no purpose in reading fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20354206]

>>20354138
Name some?

[Anonymous No.20354237]

>>20354206
nta, but try anything by Moebius.

French-Belgian comics are good, manga is good, American comics are distributed and developed in a way that keeps them locked into the shitty framework of either capeshit or, at best, backdoor TV pitches.

[Anonymous No.20354391]

>>20348121
I don't think peasants had tales of dragons and wizards. Their tales are very different. Fantasy is entirely part of the modern man's mind, outside of some earlier pre tolkien stuff.

[Anonymous No.20354649]

>>20353920
He doesn't write, let alone read.

[Anonymous No.20355712]

Why do I have a feeling none of the titles mentioned in this thread are actually good?

[Anonymous No.20355734]

>>20355712
fantasy is the least 'literary' of all the genres (except maybe crime but that's up for debate), and the fantasy genre has the absolute worst fans/members

[Anonymous No.20355737]

>>20348082
It's object-oriented writing, therefore bound to be shit

[Anonymous No.20356213]

>>20348105
>I know everybody was technically White in LOTR
Orcs are literally mongoloids, uruk-hai are man-orc half-breeds, Sauron has brown and black people from Harad fighting for him as well as steppe niggers from Rhûn and Khand.

[Anonymous No.20357163]

>>20348164
Moot lost

[Anonymous No.20357258]

Clark Ashton Smith is the last good fantasist.

[Anonymous No.20357880]

>>20348105
There are only 4 Hobbits in most of the story. The Dwarves hardly play a part and almost all of the Elves literally say "Fuck this shit I'm going home" at the beginning of the story. Even different factions of humans sometimes dont fully cooperate. If your reading comprehension skills are this abysmal I honestly dont know if any book will satisfy you.

[Anonymous No.20357887]

>>20348131
Agreed. And thats why low fantasy is the superior low tech genre.

[Anonymous No.20357889]

>>20348082
Maybe you just don't actually love fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20357914]

>>20348097
>Just read Lord of the Rings, it's the only good fantasy series
It's not even the best fantasy series, though

[Anonymous No.20357933]

>>20352393
You are wrong. Tolkien wrote a large part of the history of Middle Earth before he ever wrote LOTR. He even said he left most of that history out of the book because it would have made it too long. As an aside this stands in contrast to modern Fantasy writer like Jordan or Sanderson who revel in the opportunity to lay out every detail of their world to you over the course of 10,000 pages. But my point is that Tolkien did build the world first he just chose not to let the story get bogged down by it too much.

[Anonymous No.20357955]

>>20357889
No see he's constructed some platonic ideal of "fantasy" in his head which is totally divorced from reality and it's everybody else's fault they can't measure up to his standards.

[Anonymous No.20357968]

>>20357887
>low fantasy
>posts a picture of Conan

[Anonymous No.20357988]

>>20357933
>talking unironically to a fucking shitposter
I can guarantee that poster is a Leaf.

[Anonymous No.20358129]

>>20357914
>Gormenghast
>Fantasy

[Anonymous No.20358155]

>>20348082
>borrow william morris novel
>500 fuckin pages
>thou, thine, betwixt
Unironical gigabased kinography, looking forward to reading this
linglets get filtered

[Anonymous No.20359267]

>>20358155
Looks comfy. I'll give it a whirl.

[Anonymous No.20359289]

>love immersive fantasy with lots of characters who feel like actual people in a world that feels realistic and alive
>have a lot of ideas for world building and sometimes character traits/histories but ultimately they aren't great ideas
>completely incapable of writing anything that's remotely immersive, cannot write characters and am just terrible at writing in general
I'm so incompetent and soulless
Anyway at least I can read The Hobbit, LOTR and ASOIAF and occasionally the Silmarillion and Earthsea over and over again
I don't like the majority of fantasy books anyway but I love the idea of fantasy, I also like historical fiction because I find it immersive but then the world building isn't as inspiring to me as reading fantasy is

[Anonymous No.20359381]

When did this midwit trend start where people think they are cool for hating Tolkien? Is this George Martin's fault?

[Anonymous No.20359418]

>>20355737
You'd say is the same case for Science Fiction?

[Anonymous No.20359637]

>>20359381
>shitposters minning attention
>a trend

[Anonymous No.20360736]

>>20359381
Don't think that anyone who's actually read Tolkien dislikes him. I don't think it's actually possible, unless you're on the nobel prize committee which found his writing too archaic to be considered for the award