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20341252 No.20341252 [Reply] [Original]

What would the meme trilogy for French lit be?

>> No.20341266

In Search of Lost Time
Gargantua
The Red and the Black

>> No.20341330

>>20341252
The Count of Monte Cristo
Les Miserables
In Search of Lost Time

>> No.20341335

>>20341266
>>20341330
These are old classics, not memey enough.

>> No.20341459

>>20341335
celine, proust, camus. memes galore

>> No.20341471

>>20341266
>>20341330
>>20341459
All of these are aggressively underwhelming. Seems like aside for proust France really has fuck all to offer to world literature aside for the kitchen sink realism of the 19th century. Sad

>> No.20341478

Hollaback
Genet
Celine’s really anti semitic stuff

>> No.20341485

>>20341471
It's not like any language or culture has more than one worthwhile author, either. What do the anglos have other than Pynchon?

>> No.20341488

>>20341252
The Stranger
Candide
idk something one of those pedos like Sartre wrote

>> No.20341509

>>20341485
Joyce, Gaddis, Pound, McElroy, Stein, Coover... and I'm only mentioning modernist and post modern authors

>> No.20341511

>>20341459
surprisingly fitting answer

proust is the only famous french modernist who wrote such long ass book with disruptive structure. maybe you could add stuff like le jeu de patience but who gives a fuck about guilloux.

>> No.20341518

>>20341471
They have you just havent read enough

>> No.20341529

>>20341252
All three are XXth century doorstoppers so I guess some candidates would be
>Belle du Seigneur (it really is the French Ulysses, except it's very bad)
>Les Deux Etendards (the real masterpiece of French lit during the XX century)
>La vie mode d'emploi
Some other candidates could be
>A la recherche du temps perdu
because it's often compared to Ulysses for some reason
>Les Bienveillantes
It's XXI century but it's as bad as Infinite Jest

>> No.20341545

>>20341518
Well why aren't they being mentioned itt then. I'd love to check them out but all I'm seeing is basic bitch takes

>> No.20341547

>>20341459
too meh, not whacky enough for a meme trilogy.

>> No.20341552

>>20341266
>>20341330
Hardly anyone here has read more than Vol 1 of ISOLT. Cant be in the meme trilogy when retards have not read it, moron

>> No.20341554

>>20341529
>It's XXI century but it's as bad as Infinite Jest
filtered twice

>> No.20341558

>>20341545
Start with Huysmans

>> No.20341559

>>20341558
Done. Not impressed
>>20341529
Now we're talking

>> No.20341564

>>20341485
>What do the anglos have other than Pynchon?

Tell me you're baiting, anon...

>> No.20341568

>>20341559
>Done. Not impressed
filtered

>> No.20341570

>>20341529
>>20341545
Other I read that could be a part of the meme trilogy
>Les Hommes de bonne volonté
It's excellent and autistically long. I've only read the first 7 books though.
>>20341552
Why is this becoming a meme. Lots of people here have read ISOLT. I did. It's a fun and easy read, compared to Ulysses.

>> No.20341574

les miserables deserves to be in the french meme trilogy

>> No.20341578

>>20341574
Why tho? It defintely isnt a meme

>> No.20341584

>>20341574
Read more

>> No.20341587

yeah proust needs to be there--the other two is open to debate

>> No.20341588

>>20341587
proust isnt a meme either

>> No.20341613

>>20341529
>>20341570
I continue
>La semaine sainte (Aragon)
It's a long and beautiful book, also no one has read it here. It's way better than Aurélien (and Aurélien could also be in the list)
>Les jeunes filles (Montherlant)
Another long masterpiece. XXth century French lit is a lot of fascist lit though, so there's less degenerate stuff than in the anglosphere.
>Gilles (Drieu)
Although you probably already heard of it here.

>> No.20341627

I'm learning French and i want to read some book in French. Is Georges Perec easy? Could you recommend me some books that aren't hard to read?

>> No.20341628

>>20341613
t'as des bonnes refs ça fait plaisir. pas encore lu romains, l'unanimisme ajoute une réelle originalité à une nième fresque sociale de la france ?

>> No.20341643

>>20341554
Lots of people have said that to me and it might be true, but everyone forgot how to write since 1945. Everything good in the two books just goes right over my head since the sentance are either bland and short or monstruosities.

>> No.20341692

>>20341488
Candide was so good

>> No.20341712

>>20341570
>It's a fun and easy read, compared to Ulysses.
Is Ulysses really a drag? I just finished Portrait and loved it. I was going to start Dubliners and read a few more major historical works before trying it.

>> No.20341725

>>20341643
>but everyone forgot how to write since 1945
l'oulipo, le nouveau roman, les hussards, gracq, tournier, genet, anouilh, yourcenar... without consedering authors who kept on writing after the war such as céline, montherlant, giono, guilloux, morand, chardonne, bernanos...

francophone caribbean is currently producing incredibly based literature

>> No.20341735

>>20341628
Dur à dire, car c'est un concept que l'on retrouve déjà un peu dans Balzac en réalité, avec cet esprit romantique et poète qui prend beaucoup de personnages. La principale originalité c'est l'époque, car à part les Thibault je connais pas de réelle fresque sociale de la Belle époque, 1ere Guerre Mondiale et entre-deux Guerres en France. Sinon on sent en effet un genre "d'esprit français" ressortir de son oeuvre. Je pense que, si ce n'est peut-être pas la fresque la plus novatrice, c'est en tous cas la plus aboutie, car elle dégage une grande harmonie, bien plus que La Comédie Humaine ou Les Rougon-Macquart.
Après comme j'ai écris je n'ai lu que 7 tomes, il m'en reste beaucoup et mon avis n'est pas définitif. Pour l'instant c'est sublime.

>> No.20341820

>>20341725
I meant people born after 1945 do not know how to write. All of those you cited were born before 1945. I also mostly thought about modern translations that tend to be utter garbage, because I barely read any modern literature. Modern translators write like garbage in order "to be as faithful as possible". I prefer unfaithful translations finely written, which often means the oldest that exists.
Also I'm not familiar with Les Hussards, what do you recommend from them? I've read they are fans of Retz, so I'm very much interested. Also I'm French so no need for translation.

>> No.20341889

>>20341509
>Gaddis, McElroy, Stein, Coover
Pure shit and non-names. I thought we were talking serious.

>> No.20341900

Rebatet's Les Deux Étendards, Perec's La Vie mode d'emploi, Céline's Mort à crédit

>> No.20341914

>>20341588
Nor is Joyce.

>> No.20341922

>>20341712
Dubliners is kino. When I was younger, it was Araby, now it's either Eveline or The Dead.

>> No.20342072

>>20341509
>Joyce, Gaddis, Pound, McElroy, Stein, Coover
He said "worthwhile author"

>> No.20342075

>>20341900
yup

>> No.20342078

>>20341820
Obviously, I'd recommend starting with le hussard bleu written by nimier, the book who gave the name to the movement. Blondin is good too. Haven't read Retz yet, can't say how he inspired them, but the movement is rooted in a profound respect for french literary classics. You can sense a sheer pleasure and love for both reading and writing in their works.

As for the movement in itself, the youthfulness that stems from it is very fresh and fun to read. You get a witty and cheeky atmosphere from their books, but deep down it is heavily connected to a sincere despair about the human condition, especially after WWII. Nimier was inspired by Céline, you can see the influence throughout a quite aphoristic style they both used. While Céline's pessimism is dirty and sometimes spiteful, Nimier's is playful and resignated. Paradoxically, Céline seems more hopeful. One short setence summarizes quite well the spirit of the Hussards for me : "Nous pateaugeons, mais il suffit d'aimer la pluie."

>> No.20342087

>>20341900
>Perec
Hack, along with all the Oulipo trash

>> No.20342094

>>20342087
That makes him an appropriate candidate for the french meme trilogy

>> No.20342107

>>20341252
A season in hell
Life a user's manual
Some autistic book by nabe

>> No.20342923

>>20342072
Why does everyone on /lit/ suddenly hate these guys? Especially Joyce. He was the star boy here barely a year ago.

>> No.20342939

Crazy nobody has said Elementary Particles

>> No.20342941

>>20341252
Quenaeu
Perec
Sollers
Pure french faggotry par excellence.

>> No.20343314

>>20341252
Mort à crédit
Les 120 journées de Sodome
Anything wrote by Nabe

>> No.20343421

>>20341485
Melville

>> No.20343498

>>20342941
Queneau is really the worst, I don't know anything interesting about him, and the formal research of the Oulipo has lasted too long without having produced anything really interesting (Perec is not so bad though).

If I had to give a same trilogy it would be :
Belle du Seigneur
Mort à crédit
L'étranger

>> No.20343616

>>20342923
Contrarianism combined with no one actually reading and forming opinions based off of shitposting.

>> No.20343651

What about a kraut meme trilogy?
>Musil
>Grass
>???
Judging by this thread the board would recommend Mann or some other entry level slop

>> No.20343749

>>20343651
What about Die Niederschrift des Gustav Anias Horn nachdem er 49 Jahre alt geworden war?

>> No.20343943

>>20342078
Thanks for the post, I borrowed Le hussard bleu from the library. I just read the first 20 pages and it's finely written, so I think I will enjoy it, thanks again.

>> No.20344027

>>20341627
Bump
Answer this

>> No.20344033

>>20341627
Stuff for masses like Fantomas and Arsene Lupin should be easy enough for you, in fact I've seen Lupin being used in one of those "learn French as you read" books.

>> No.20344049

>>20341471
>who is Celine?
>who is Perec?
>who is Houellebecq?
Post less, read more

>> No.20344076

>>20344049
>who is Celine?
>who is Houellebecq?
The mere idea that such authors deserve to be even mentioned in the same tier as Joyce or Pynchon is laughable. France is a meme alright
>Perec
Haven't read him and I look forward to it

>> No.20344390

>>20344027
Je te conseille Les choses si tu veux lire du Perec, c'est vraiment très simple. Encore plus simple c'est l'Etranger de Camus, ou Camus en général. Houellebecq aussi est vraiment très simple. Si tu veux lire des classiques plutôt, La Princesse de Clèves est aussi très facile. Je pense que Les liaisons dangereuses ne sont pas si dures non plus, tu risques juste de rater un peu de sous texte mais rien de très grave.

>> No.20344405

>>20344076
Lots of good authors have been mentioned, Rebatet, Montherlant, Jules Romains, Proust, Aragon and there are a lot more, Cocteau, Gide, Georges Darien, why do you keep baiting like this?

>> No.20344410

>>20343651
The Mann Without Qualities
The Sleepwalkers
Berlin Alexanderplatz

>> No.20345177

>>20344405
>gide
>good
Who's doing the bait here?

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>>20341252
here ya go

>> No.20345641

>>20345612
I unironically like all those three French queers.

>> No.20345672

>>20344410
>The Mann Without Qualities
hehe

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>>20341252
I'd also like to know. But take the German one for the time being.

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>>20345709
>>20343651
For good measure: Here's what the 5000 pages (probably more though) look like in physical form.

>> No.20346228

>>20341529
>>Les Deux Etendards (the real masterpiece of French lit during the XX century)

based
/lit/ would eat it up if it ever got translated

>> No.20346259

>>20346228
>it's been translated to German
What would I be in for?

>> No.20346299

>>20346259
fascism

>> No.20346309

>>20346299
How is fascism expressed in the novel?

>> No.20346335

>>20346309
the author's a fascist, a real one, and it shows in his writing, and this is probably the best book written by a fascist

I once heard someone describe it as the anti-christian companion/response to the brothers Karamazov, and I think that makes sense

I'm a Christian, but the talent and the quality is undeniable

>> No.20346380

>>20346335
Did you read the book?

>> No.20346559

>>20346335
Listen, anon. I don't want to call you out. All I want is an opinion by someone who has read the full thing.

>> No.20346591

>>20346559
other anon here, I read a different book from the author, autobiographical. wasn't impressed, it's basically him bragging about publishing pamphlets before and during the war and a cuck guide (how to be a good nazi collaborator).
He might be much better at writing fiction.

>> No.20346723

>>20346591
A German writer said that his prose was very different and pleasant compared to his political writings. So I'm interested in a first-hand report.

>> No.20347024

>>20346559
Why do you care? You won't ever be able to read it.

>> No.20347038

>>20347024
Why wouldn't I? A translated version exists. I'd need to spend 200 bucks to get it shipped from Frenchlandia though.

>> No.20347111

>>20347038
Oh I didn't know it was translated. Well, I'm not the anon you were referring to but I've read the whole thing in French.
The writing is pretty standard, although there are some archaisms. If you're not christian (i.e. if you haven't read the bible or aren't interested by it) don't even try to read it, it's not for you. Half of the book is young people discussion the christian concepts of love, youth, and much more. It's not really possible to dumb it down to a few subjects, it speaks about everything, in the same way as The man without qualities, but through a christian lens.

>> No.20347137

>>20347111
Interesting. I grew up without religion so Christianity still has some exotic flavor to me.
If I can get a cheap copy I will get it and see for myself. Weird and forgotten literature interests me.

>> No.20347157

>>20347137
good luck, even in France the cheapest retail copy you'll find is 50 bucks

https://livre.fnac.com/a1060673/Lucien-Rebatet-Les-deux-Etendards#omnsearchpos=1

it hasn't been re-edited in another collection for obvious reasons

>> No.20347159

>>20341471
They're underwhelming candidates because, contrary to americans, the french were based and wrote good shit instead of memes.

>> No.20347168

>>20347157
>50 bucks
I'd consider that cheap. Right now the only German copy is 200 euros + shipping from France. I'll just lurk Ebay and see if a copy turns up. Eventually everything turns up there if you wait long enough. And I still have to read two of the English meme books and all three of the German ones.

>> No.20347174

>>20341529
Man Belle du Seigneur sucked I never could finish it

>> No.20347241

>>20347157
It's also because the writer has not been dead long enough and Gallimard is a bunch of faggots that wont edit it in poche.