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[Anonymous No.20335376]

>Jazz can be appropriated by ... fascists as march music! Saxophone was used in ... military bands!
They were really giving academic sinecures to any damn body back then.

[Anonymous No.20335392]

>>20335376
is that the saxophone sound?
im going insaneeee

[Anonymous No.20335464]

>>20335376
>back then

[Anonymous No.20335544]

>>20335376
I hate when people who don't know basic music theory talk about music.

[Anonymous No.20335576]

>>20335544
but Adorno was very knowledgeable about music theory, he was a scholar even.

[Anonymous No.20335597]

>>20335576
(x)

[Anonymous No.20335663]

>>20335376
>jazz
>march music
What? How?

[Anonymous No.20335706]

>>20335576
He was a composer, believe it or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Tc4mXodrI&ab_channel=WelleszOpus

His views are still retarded though. Plato already exposed the fact that artists only talk nonsense when they speak of their art in the dialogue Ion millennia ago.

[Anonymous No.20335718]

>>20335663
Anyone with music knowledge can confirm?

[Anonymous No.20335743]

>>20335706
I'm an artist, ill bite. If you do philosophy and music, dont make criticism of music, likewise if you're not a musician, the same rule applies. Leave music to the musicians. I write a lot of philosophical stuff but I'd rather not discuss music in my writings. Christgau confirmed to me most people who talk about music in a critical sense are really just doing it out of egotism and its just better to let the music do the talking in most, if not all cases

[Anonymous No.20335745]

If I had the stomach to suffer reading the Dialectic of Enlightenment and the Philosophy of New Music I could produce some hilarious quotes. One can almost hear the boot of fascism trampling the Spirit in every major chord... Except one can't and that's retarded.

[Anonymous No.20335757]

>>20335745
>to suffer reading the Dialectic of Enlightenment and the Philosophy of New Music
Reading again*

[Anonymous No.20335766]

>>20335745
Jfc he looks like shit. Does polemical writing function as substitutive virility in those types of men?

[Anonymous No.20335778]

>>20335706
This shit sounds satanic wtf

[Anonymous No.20335794]

>>20335766
it can

[Anonymous No.20335814]

>>20335778
my shit's worse so I have no real business doing "professional criticism" of anyone. its fine to hold subjective opinions in private but going around writing paragraph long screeds about how X artist or composer is "the future of music" or "humanity's dying yawn" is a colossal waste of time. learning about theory is useful. for fans of, is useful. I don't care to hear what ultimately for most critics is just "subjective opinions". its fine to dig on artists in your circle of friends but getting paid to do that, in most cases, is a scam.

[Anonymous No.20335824]

>>20335778
>satanic
You can also call it Jewish.

[Anonymous No.20335915]

>>20335718

I can't imagine a more pure form of fascism

[Anonymous No.20335955]

>>20335663
rhythm takes precedence over melody, brass instruments are originally a military communication technology for coordinating large groups of soldiers. plus the nature of a jazz song is that any player with some basic techniques can jump in and play along, just like men on an assembly line

[Anonymous No.20335962]

>>20335766
no but being obsessed with manliness certainly does

[Anonymous No.20335967]

>>20335955
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQlq6BqIP-o
this sound transports me to the assembly line horrors of auschwitz

[Anonymous No.20335970]

>>20335915
You can see the authoritarianism seeping through their pores.

[Anonymous No.20335973]

>>20335955
So this means we can use Hardstyle music as fascist march music? I would support rave fascism

[Anonymous No.20335981]

Jazz is a mistake.

[Anonymous No.20335994]

>>20335915
part of it is the one-way nature of communication. when someone starts tootling away on a horn you have to wait until he stops to talk back. current version of this is vigilante bluetooth djs

[Anonymous No.20336013]

>>20335973
yes, the only difference between hardstyle and a march is the level of cacophony

[Anonymous No.20336059]

>>20335955
The horn sections of early disco songs aee the marching tunes of homofascism

[Anonymous No.20336312]

>>20335955
You overcomplicate. Jazz came post ragtime as new orleans party music, it's literally parade jams. It's made for parade marching around.

[Anonymous No.20336317]

>>20336013
>>20335973
Have you guys forgotten technoviking? Panzermench by and one? Electronic is perfect for marching.

[Anonymous No.20336322]

>>20335766
Jellyroll was a terminal alcoholic.

[Anonymous No.20336362]

>>20336317
yes

[Anonymous No.20336366]

>>20336322
At the end, yeah. He also had a full life with women, gambling, friends, music, success, failure, fame. You know, just like Adorno lmao

[Anonymous No.20336456]

Really, all the Frankfurt school "thinkers" were a bunch of neurotic assholes.

[Anonymous No.20336498]

>>20335376
Commies really see "facism" in everything. They're ironically very similar to Mccarthy Conservatives who saw communism in everything.

[Anonymous No.20336502]

>>20335376
Further proof in this thread that Adorno didn’t write for the masses

[Anonymous No.20336528]

>>20336498
absolutely and mercilessly filtered kek.

[Anonymous No.20336534]

>>20336528
K enjoy your paranoid Marxist delusions.

[Anonymous No.20336537]

>>20336456
>neurotic assholes
All you had to say was kvetching Jews.

[Anonymous No.20336546]

>>20336528
I'm a anprim and you statists are exactly the same thing. You have far more in common than you do difference.

[Anonymous No.20336613]

>>20335706
Atonal music is fucking disgusting

[Anonymous No.20336626]

>>20336613
That's the point, retard. It's literally dismantling a system designed to present illusory 'beauty' and 'harmony'. The rules that gave us Bach and Mozart can also give us Schonberg and pure, unadulterated dissonance. It's fucking glorious. God, I love being a Marxist.

[Anonymous No.20336771]

Why are Marxists so deranged?

[Anonymous No.20336881]

>>20335376
Despicable men like this deserve unending torture.

[Anonymous No.20337835]

>>20335376
The Frankfurt School
>if only everyone got to grow up in an upper-middle class German family...but wait! under Communism...

[Anonymous No.20337850]

>>20336528
Sorry anon, but your tone is fascist.

[Anonymous No.20337899]

>>20336626
>pig loves rolling in shit

Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.20337949]

This book and The Lost Steps by Carpentier filtered me so hard with the whole music thing. I don't even know the name of the instruments, how am I supposed to know their sounds or what the "minor e" is?

[Anonymous No.20338566]

>>20336502
He didn't write for the educated elite either.
Why did Adorno hate Jazz:
>At best Adorno’s attack on jazz seems to be out of sympathy with informed opinion on the subject; at worst it appears to be reactionary and possibly racist.
Introduction to Adorno's On Jazz:
>It is within this context that Adorno makes the observation that has brought on the accusations
of an implicit racism in his work on jazz when
he remarks that, in the consumption and
promotion of jazz, "the skin of the black man functions as much as a coloristic effect as does the silver of the saxophone."
This man wrote just for his rich patrons (US and that anti discrimination society). A record company owner without any jazz artists probably paid him to write asinine shit and decades later his ideological successors are calling him a racist because of this.

[Anonymous No.20339079]

>>20335376
I tried reading this and got filtered. What do i read as a prerequisite? And dont say greeks.

[Anonymous No.20339142]

>>20336626
>God, I love being a Marxist.
the fatal flaw of the failed baiter, they always get too cocky

[Anonymous No.20339151]

>>20336613
I dunno I like power electronics and harsh noise so, to each their own maaaan!

[Anonymous No.20339168]

>>20335706
If that's his music then he's not a composer.

[Anonymous No.20339198]

>>20335376
>Jazz can be appropriated by ... fascists as march music! Saxophone was used in ... military bands!
Seems to check out

https://youtu.be/D9w6SEtkeug

>>20335967
I've heard that Adorno was more referring to the type of hot jazz music that preceded that stuff but I dunno

>>20335973
I've actually seen pre-war Azov propaganda videos showing off their military exercises set to pounding music like that but I don't think it's available on YouTube anymore and a lot of those guys are getting buried in the Azovstal iron and steel works rn

[Anonymous No.20339219]

>>20336626
>The rules that gave us Bach and Mozart can also give us Schonberg and pure, unadulterated dissonance. It's fucking glorious. God, I love being a Marxist.
BEHOLD

https://youtu.be/Wbb8uj3JBY4

[Anonymous No.20339228]

>everything I don't like is fascism

Why do people take this bald faggot seriously?

[Anonymous No.20339266]

>>20336498
I think it's the human desire to try and put everything into categories.
With how vague everything is you can find aspects of Fascism, Marxism, Liberalism, Legalism, Esotericism, etc. in pretty much anything. But you're not going to sell any books that way because it doesn't lead to a neat little theory that explains all human behavior.