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[Anonymous No.20326606]

Why do white incels worship this guy?

[Anonymous No.20326620]

>>20326606
They hear he defends the liberal capitalist hegemony, and they don’t even understand why they support that but they do. Oh and he talks smack about welfare and reparations. A lot of bootstrap talk their dad’s appreciate.

[Anonymous No.20326624]

>>20326606
Because it allows them to claim that a member of a historically oppressed group holds right-wing opinions, therefore, they aren't evil for holding them. They are still evil for being right-wing btw.

[Anonymous No.20326635]

>>20326624
why is right wing evil?

[Anonymous No.20326646]

>>20326635
It’s the political wing that wants authoritarianism, racism, poverty and war. Generally speaking. The compass is messed up but that’s the tendency.

[Anonymous No.20326661]

>>20326646
>authoritarianism
how did the left political wing produce Stalin and Mao if that authoritarianism is right wing exclusive?

[Anonymous No.20326678]

Plenty of incels with inside information ITT

[Anonymous No.20326681]

>>20326635
Eurasia will always be evil

[Anonymous No.20326685]

>>20326646
>authoritarianism

commies

>racism

liberal identity politics

>poverty

communism and anarchism

>war

communism, anarchism and liberals

next

[Anonymous No.20326689]

>>20326661
At the First International when Marx advocated statism and Lenin instituted it it was a betrayal of the idealism for something “scientific”.

[Anonymous No.20326701]

>>20326646
>authoritarianism, racism, poverty and war
Biden in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.20326705]

>>20326685

>reddit

What are—

>spacing

Trying to say?

>reddit

Liberals support Nazis, security states and cultivate race wars

Liberals enact embargoes to impoverish rouge socialist states. You’re not a deep thinker.

[Anonymous No.20326722]

>>20326701
He also funded Nazis so the US can take over Russia. Putin is a level headed conservative. Rightwing, but not as bad as Biden. Just because they oppose each other doesn’t mean one is left and the other right.

[Anonymous No.20326728]

>>20326606
>Why do white incels worship this guy?
They’re chuds who worship an Uncle Tom... day of the rope for all Wh*toids, conservatives, and Nazis soon. We’re gonna bash the fash out of them. In the future, statues of George Floyd everywhere. Mandated lessons about George Floyd from K-12, undergraduate universities, and graduate seminars. Revenge for slavery. No justice, no peace. Whites are the cause of all evil ... yellow star saying “White oppressor” on it for conservatives. Throw bricks into the windows of White stores. Kristallnacht 2.0 — for Whites now. Coming soon to a family neighborhood near you!

[Anonymous No.20326733]

>>20326705
my point is the left want all those things how can you not figure that out

[Anonymous No.20326759]

>>20326733
They are not the left. The left oppose them. The left can’t even get the so-called progressive caucus to get medicare for all. They slow-walked us into this Roe v. Wade thing on purpose. They could codify it into law right now since they have control but they won’t, they want you to vote first. Wait till they lose big. They’re not stupid. They’re rightwingers for cash. Figure it out someday. Hell, George Carlin did.

[Anonymous No.20326763]

>>20326759
got it, libs arent left because you, random redditor, determine the political spectrum. cope and seethe.

[Anonymous No.20326780]

>>20326606
Because he's smart and knows what he's talking about?

[Anonymous No.20326788]

>>20326646
none of those things are wing specific you can be left or right and still be authoritarian, racist, poor and pro war

[Anonymous No.20326791]

Big cock

[Anonymous No.20326801]

>>20326795
it doesnt matter how much you cope and seethe babykiller, libs are left wing

[Anonymous No.20326803]

>>20326763
>It doesn’t matter if the frog can sprint after a gazelle and snap it’s neck. It’s still a frog. Ignore the spotted fur! It’s green ITS GREEN!

[Anonymous No.20326811]

>>20326801
So are you, babykiller Azov battalion backer.

[Anonymous No.20326818]

>>20326811

[Anonymous No.20326831]

>>20326722
Tell that to everyone who got their bank accounts frozen because they were in DC in January 2021

[Anonymous No.20326834]

>>20326661
First, because you use the right wing definition of the left wing and call them liberal when the right wing created the definition simply by what they are not so that conservatives would not be defined by what they are, which is abhorrent, when liberalism is actually defined as the tendency towards the absence of authority and hierarchy.

Second, because you mistake the bad implementation of liberalism created as a reaction to the authoritarianism and hierarchy as being itself liberal, when it is not. This comes from the paradox of fighting authoritarianism with more authoritarianism and fighting hierarchy with more hierarchy. There is nothing liberal about socialism that puts the group above the individual or that creates a hierarchy or an authority to tell others what to do, which is the exactly what liberalism is not.

Third, you confuse the social management system of a market (and specifically capitalism as a really bad market management system) with the social management system of governance that uses authority. If Capitalism wasn't such a bad market management system, there would be no need for authority to fix it, or for governance to control it.

Forth, because capitalism is not the opposite of socialism. A market is an Acentralized social management system for interdependence that uses the trade of products, and where the consumption informs the production instead of a centralized a priori production. Socialism is a centralization, and Capitalism, because of its bad management, ends up in a decentralization of many centers, each of which is a center protecting its profit. They both are bad social management because they use production to inform consumption and you cannot know what someone will need or how much or what will be available, and by forcing product environment, you create instability and a lack of robustness in interdependence.

Finally, you would be better served by thinking of conservatism and liberalism not opposites of each other but instead think of conservatism as as direction towards the status quo regardless of what people want or need that seeks to preserve the status quo, while liberalism is a direction towards individual liberty and seeks to expand individual expression regardless of the status quo.

[Anonymous No.20326839]

>>20326635
This is all just my interpretation, but:

The essence of being right-wing, as of now, is disdain for, and denial of wrongdoing towards, historical victim groups. You can see this in anti-immigration sentiment, anti-gay sentiment, anti-feminism, and so on. This is "evil" with respect to the historical Christian tradition of the West because one of the things that makes Christianity unique is its concern for victims (drawing on Girard here) and on the realities of sin and repentance. As of now, being right-wing is saying "No!" to sin, "No!" to repentance, "No!" to reparation, and "No!" to concern for victims. Left-wingers, even though they think Christianity is false, are in reality carrying on the Christian tradition, and in their view, perhaps even superceding it, even though they see it as disappointing due to its frequent failure to take the side of the victim (and of course, lack of evidence etc. but that's really beside the point for them).

The Holocaust in particular has called us to go further in our concern for victims, which was instrumental in spurring events like the Civil Rights Movement and Decolonization, feminism, gay rights, trans rights, and more. For example, its widely known that Soviets claimed moral authority in criticizing Segregation in the US, which played a big role in the SCOTUS basically making shit up in Brown v. Board because it was making them look bad in the Third World.

This is why right-wing politics always comes down to repealing the moral revolution(s) of the '60s and revising claims of historical guilt in WW2. They are "evil" wrt. Western tradition. This will become clear as the 21st Century continues, Christian churches will baptize left-wing politics and change doctrines on gay/trans/whatever and right-wing politics will more openly embrace Nietzsche and Hitler and attack morality.

[Anonymous No.20326841]

>>20326759
>>20326763
It’s actually a valid critique and analysis to point out that “leftist” parties in the West — like the Democratic Party of the US, to take the example regarded as the touchstone (since this place can be very Americano-centric), can basically act like the GOP in blackface. It’s the same principle of rich douchebags handpicking Goldman Sachs CEOs to their cabinet, bailing out Wall Street, wars for Raytheon and tax cuts for Monsanto, and generally screwing you over, except more “progressively” and with a diversified crew in power fucking you over, this time. Cornel West, socialist philosopher, called Obama “a Rockefeller Republican in blackface.” It’s like the worst aspects of the Chinese Cultural Revolution/Stalinist takeover of the USSR but without even the balls to turn into balls-to-the-wall Marxists. They’re still monopoly capitalists in suits-and-ties with the Rockefellers’ and Rothschilds’ hands up their asses. But they’re “Woke” now so the proles can keep up the infighting.

[Anonymous No.20326850]

>>20326839
>The essence of being right-wing, as of now, is disdain for, and denial of wrongdoing towards, historical victim groups.

lol fucking hell

if you actually want to know the essence of left and right wing there is a book for you

[Anonymous No.20326855]

>>20326646
Also >>20326839 here authoritarianism isn't necessarily bad. What will also become obvious this century is that anti-democratic politics will become necessary to protect historical victim groups, as the masses really are hopelessly stupid and reactionary. Once Christianity makes a left turn this sort of thinking will be embraced to ensure that immigration continues, ethnic and sexual minorities are protected, etc.

[Anonymous No.20326858]

>>20326606
So is this guy just le based black guy who criticizes his own culture or does he have something profound?

[Anonymous No.20326862]

>>20326646

[Anonymous No.20326863]

>>20326606
What always confuses me is that people calling others incels are often incels themselves, and from my experiences from real life the vast majority of actual incels are leftists.
It's crazy that some people take this name calling seriously enough to make it's way to it's politicians mouthpieces as truth.

>>20326646
There use to be a square political spectrum chart, but apparently you've never seen it.
Sometimes I am astounded to the blatant hypocrisy and ignorance of the left.
It's like they are jealous the right is superior at what they want to do.

[Anonymous No.20326866]

>>20326850
I don't read affirmative action cutouts like Sowell. He's a collaborator against his own people.

[Anonymous No.20326868]

>>20326839
>The essence of being right-wing, as of now, is disdain for, and denial of wrongdoing towards, historical victim groups. You can see this in anti-immigration sentiment, anti-gay sentiment, anti-feminism, and so on. This is "evil" with respect to the historical Christian tradition of the West because one of the things that makes Christianity unique is its concern for victims (drawing on Girard here) and on the realities of sin and repentance. As of now, being right-wing is saying "No!" to sin, "No!" to repentance, "No!" to reparation, and "No!" to concern for victims. Left-wingers, even though they think Christianity is false, are in reality carrying on the Christian tradition, and in their view, perhaps even superceding it, even though they see it as disappointing due to its frequent failure to take the side of the victim (and of course, lack of evidence etc. but that's really beside the point for them).
Reddit is that way. Modern leftism is in fact one of the most awful perversions ever created. In Christian terminology, it’s the ideology of the Pharisees. It ascribes unique essences and historical guilt to a specific class — White males — and constantly hammers you with, “White males are the cause of all evil! Only Whites can be evil and White culture can be criticized, all other groups are always the victim!” In fact, your obsession with the victim and belief that people in “victim” classes are ALWAYS the good ones paints you as a neo-Bolshevik. But there’s no use arguing with someone with your programming.

[Anonymous No.20326889]

>>20326759
>They are not the left. The left oppose them
That might be true if the left hadn't changed. If it weren't for the rogue socialist states already mentioned ITT the old left already would've largely died out, which is to say that by its own definition it might have already been progressed past and been termed reactionary.

[Anonymous No.20326901]

>>20326866
ok ill just post it then

>The most sweeping attempt to survey the underlying dimension is Thomas Sowell’sA Conflict of Visions. Sowell explains two “visions” of the nature of human beings that were expressed in their purest forms by Edmund Burke (1729–1797), the patron of secular conservatism, and William Godwin (1756–1836), the British counterpart to Rousseau. In earlier times they might have been referred to as different visions of the perfectibility of man.

>In the Tragic Vision, humans are inherently limited in knowledge, wisdom, and virtue, and all social arrangements must acknowledge those limits. “Mortal things suit mortals best,” wrote Pindar; “from the crooked timber of humanity no truly straight thing can be made,” wrote Kant. The Tragic Vision isassociated with Hobbes, Burke, Smith, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, the jurist Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., the economists Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman, the philosophers Isaiah Berlin and Karl Popper, and the legal scholar Richard Posner.

>In the Utopian Vision, psychological limitations are artifacts thatcome fromour social arrangements, and we should not allow them to restrict ourgaze from what is possible in a better world. Its creed might be “Some people see things as they are and ask ‘why?’; I dream things that never were and ask ‘why not?’” The quotation is often attributed to the icon of 1960s liberalism, Robert F. Kennedy, but it was originally penned by the Fabian socialist GeorgeBernard Shaw (who also wrote, “There is nothing that can be changed more completelythan human nature when the job is taken in hand early enough”).The Utopian Vision is also associated with Rousseau, Godwin, Condorcet, Thomas Paine, the jurist Earl Warren, the economist John Kenneth Galbraith, and to a lesser extent the political philosopher Ronald Dworkin.

if you dont read blacks who haet tokenism then you dont read most of the 20th century's best black writers

[Anonymous No.20326904]

>>20326868
>Modern leftism is in fact one of the most awful perversions ever created. In Christian terminology, it’s the ideology of the Pharisees.
By 2200 most Christian churches will be blessing gay marriages and reminding white people of their historical sins.

>It ascribes unique essences and historical guilt to a specific class — White males — and constantly hammers you with, “White males are the cause of all evil! Only Whites can be evil and White culture can be criticized, all other groups are always the victim!”
Historical guilt applies to other ethnic groups as well, but the finer points of who is guilty of what in India or wherever isn't really relevant to us in the West. Since whites really did invade and colonize everyone, it is basically true that all other groups exist in a state of relative victimization to them.

>In fact, your obsession with the victim and belief that people in “victim” classes are ALWAYS the good ones paints you as a neo-Bolshevik.
Victims aren't inherently good, again, you're just engaging in whataboutism to deny the realities of historical sin.

[Anonymous No.20326910]

>>20326839
You highly confuse what Christianity is.
While it is forgiving it also is about ceasing sins.
Leftism, or liberalism, is like taking the story of "he who has not sinned cast the first stone" and ignoring the following passages, "go and LEAVE your life of sin".
The act of forgiving does not mean it is also an act of acceptance of sin.

Soviets were killing Homos and Christians by the millions, and it is now well known that their aims of claiming that "moral authority" in their criticism of segregation was all part of their psyop cold war efforts.
You must acknowledge that most people today on the left are the ones pushing for a new segregation in the USA.

The right is about repealing moral decadence and restoring morality in whole.

The whole premise of most leftist arguments is that their moral degradation should be embraced despite history showing it always leads to failure.
It's simply a form of madness, insanity.

To be left is to be mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.20326911]

>>20326901
Thomas Sowell is the king of token blacks. He has no published papers as an economist and basically just took a job at the Hoover Institution as the token black, he's a house nigger like any black conservative.

[Anonymous No.20326916]

>>20326901
>In the Tragic Vision, moreover, human nature has not changed. Traditions such as religion, the family, social customs, sexual mores, and political institutions are a distillation of time-tested techniques that let us work around the shortcomings of human nature. They are as applicable to humans today as they were when they developed, even if no one today can explain their rationale. However imperfect society may be, we should measure it against the cruelty and deprivation of the actual past, not the harmony and affluence of an imagined future. We are fortunate enough to live in a society that more or less works, and our first priority should be not to screw it up, because human nature always leaves us teetering on the brink of barbarism. And since no one is smart enough to predict the behavior of a single human being, let alone millions of them interacting in a society, we should distrust any formula for changing society from the top down, because it is likely to have unintended consequences that are worse than the problems it was designed to fix. The best we can hope for are incremental changes that are continuously adjusted according to feedback about the sum of their good and bad consequences. It also follows that we should not aim to solve social problems like crime or poverty, because in a world of competing individuals one person’s gain may be another person’s loss. The best we can do is trade off one cost against another.

>In the Utopian Vision, human nature changes with social circumstances, so traditional institutions have no inherent value. That was then, this is now. Traditions are the dead hand of the past, the attempt to rule from the grave. They must be stated explicitly so their rationale can be scrutinized and their moral status evaluated. And by that test, many traditions fail: the confinement of women to the home, the stigma against homosexuality and premarital sex, the superstitions of religion, the injustice of apartheid and segregation, the dangers of patriotism as exemplified in the mindless slogan “My country, right or wrong.” Practices such as absolute monarchy, slavery, war, and patriarchy once seemed inevitable but have disappeared or faded from many parts of the world through changes in institutions that were once thought to be rooted in human nature. Moreover, the existence of suffering and injustice presents us with an undeniable moral imperative. We don’t know what we can achieve until we try, and the alternative, resigning ourselves to these evils as the way of the world, is unconscionable.

>>20326911
im glad you can recognize the evils of tokenism, but then i wonder why you support a system that inscribes it into law

[Anonymous No.20326918]

>>20326606
He's like their black father.

[Anonymous No.20326921]

>>20326624
>They are still evil for being right-wing btw.
people like you are the problem with American politics -- and not because you see things only in black and white, but because you've been manipulated into seeing things in only black and white.

[Anonymous No.20326944]

>>20326910
>While it is forgiving it also is about ceasing sins.
Right-wing politics is about denying that a sin ever happened and trying to go back to sinning as soon as possible.

>The right is about repealing moral decadence and restoring morality in whole.
The entire point I was making is that the historical realities of WW2 and moral revolutions in the '60s forced us to re-evaluate what "morality" really was. As it turns out, a lot of what right-wingers claim to be acts of "restoring moral order" is rooted in hatred.

[Anonymous No.20326960]

>>20326904
The essence of modern leftism lies in a vision of reality which is fundamentally wrong-headed and inverted. In fact, strangely enough, before having even read this post>>20326901 I was just about to talk about something like this dichotomy.

In the modern monstrous pseudo-leftist worldview, historical guilt is ascribed to a massive class of people (Whites). This ascribing of a new form of original sin to them — White privilege, oppressor class, colonialist, got all their wealth at the expense of the poorer other oppressed races — already is inverted and wrong off the bat by making an itself monstrously racist conflation between historical elites tied to the pushing of colonialism and slavery and oppression — the Morgans, the Rockefellers, Cecil Rhodes, and Rothschild-types — to the average bumfuck poor or middle-class White, simply by a coincidence of skin color. “Since these wealthy industrial barons, bankers, colonial Southern slave-owners and mining magnates of yore were White, and were tied to causing so much suffering, and you’re White — you need to be held accountable for this, too! You’re a racist and not acknowledging your privilege!” This is already a massively un-Christian worldview, with its obsession with revenge, holding accountable — not just that we need to uplift the poor and suffering and needy (an OK idea in itself) but that we need to PUNISH, hold accountable — even people who had no direct role in causing it. Even if these people are nice, law-abiding, well-integrated and contributing citizens, they’re “bigoted” if they disagree with you politically. Furthermore, you can then NEVER criticize aspects of cultures that are not part of this “White oppressor culture” — even if they have hugely negative aspects.

Thomas Sowell points this out perfectly, saying, “There is no greater idiocy than holding some people strongly accountable for the actions of their ancestors while not holding others accountable for what they themselves are doing today.”

Your black and white of course is very essentialistic, reductionistic, malevolent and destructive in yet another way — only focusing on the evils of a certain class you’ve deemed to be the oppressors and not on any of the goods or contributions they’ve made to the world — painting you as a massive asshole and a racist who sees reality invertedly, and could benefit from living in a third-world country for a while, or some Islamo-tyranny where you can get stoned to death for adultery or homosexuality.

[Anonymous No.20326975]

>>20326866
>He's a collaborator against his own people.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/02/25/most-americans-say-colleges-should-not-consider-race-or-ethnicity-in-admissions/

62% of blacks in america say race should not be considered in college admissions

anti-AA blacks are not collaborators against their own people, they are collaborators against the democrat slave plantation mentality

[Anonymous No.20326976]

>>20326862
You should be posting this to the guy I’m talking to. He’s just sure of the left/right dichotomy. If you’re on team blue you have to be leftwing, right?
WRONG

>>20326889
“The left” is a general position. People stand for something about it or they THEY change.
> If it weren't for the rogue socialist states already mentioned ITT the old left already would've largely died out,
We exist! We just don’t take power of states! And the statist variety largely can’t because of this thing called neoliberalism. This is rightwing

[Anonymous No.20326982]

>>20326624
atlanteans are literally oppressed retard read a fucking book that isn't about sodomy

[Anonymous No.20326983]

>>20326975
This single issue doesn’t change the fact of what he is to the black community at large.

[Anonymous No.20326994]

>>20326976
>We exist!
Hardly, their voices have been but barely a whimper under that by which they had been replaced.

[Anonymous No.20326996]

>>20326944
Left-wing politics is about denying that a sin ever happened and trying to go back to sinning as soon as possible.
>ftfy

>historical realities of WW2 and moral revolutions in the '60s forced us to re-evaluate what "morality" really was
>historical realities
This is probably something that will never ever get settled with words and only with war, but the way we did the Germans while ignoring everything that was going on during that time is immoral.
Most if not all of the hard chargers, the men on the front, did not approve of what was happening in the 60s in regards to civil rights.
It wasn't a re-evaluation of morality but a carefully tailored instigation of power changes using deception.

>a lot of what right-wingers claim to be acts of "restoring moral order" is rooted in hatred.
Anything that goes against the left's narrative is called hatred when in reality everything the left is about is hatred.
Again, this is one of those things that cannot ever be peacefully resolved with words alone.

It's like someone living in filth think it's okay and others have to live with it as well, and that anyone telling them to stop living in filth, or forcing them to stop, is an act of hatred.
It's a very simple minded anger and an actual hatred.

The pendulum always swings though, I don't think this dynamic will ever end.

I'll humble myself and use an analogy to hopefully get thru to you, a single soul.
> Right wingers are like school janitors.
> Left are like (non-Japanese) school children.
> The right is constantly trying to clean the mess of such children, and trying to make rules, or enforce old rules so that things stay orderly and good.
> The left is constantly trying ruin the school, purposely trying to advocate for the removal of rules and claim that the janitors are just hating their childish happiness.
> eventually over time, the janitor gets his way, and over time the children get theirs.
> it never ends.
> years from now, there will be new janitors, and new children.
> with the same arguments time immemorial.

[Anonymous No.20326998]

>>20326975
They say that but if race wasn't considered there would be no blacks in top US colleges at which point they would be outraged about discrimination. Affirmative Action is needed to protect blacks from the realities of the marketplace and prevent them from being utterly destitute.

[Anonymous No.20327002]

>>20326868
the pharisees at least believed in their own ideology. the satanic 666 cut-off-your-penis globohomo cult don't even believe their own lies

[Anonymous No.20327004]

>>20326983
This single issue you were completely ignorant of should make you re-examine your priors about what black people want and who is a traitor to whom

Another one

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/08/05/gallup-80-percent-of-blacks-want-the-same-or-more-police-in-their-neighborhood-n755799

>Over 80 percent of black Americans want the police to spend as much or more time in their neighborhoods as they currently do, new polling from Gallup conducted last month finds.

>Asked if they would prefer police spend more, less, or the same amount of time in their neighborhoods, 61 percent of black respondents told Gallup the same, while a further 20 percent said more. Just 19 percent said less. Black respondents were more likely to want more police presence than white, Asian, and all adults overall.

[Anonymous No.20327009]

>>20326728
>threatening to murder innocent atlanteans because an obese black porn star pretended to OD

[Anonymous No.20327020]

>>20326904
>>20326960
Modern leftism is like throwing out the baby with the bath water — because the West has a history of crimes like slavery, oppression, colonialism, warfare and so forth, we need to destroy Western heritage, flood the West with poorer migrants who don’t integrate as well and even lead to statistical spikes in violent crime, poverty, and unemployment, and we need to call everyone against throwing the West and its heritage into a dumpster and setting it on fire “A White supremacist.”

I find that a more common worldview amongst conservatives is that the West admittedly has a terrible history but they also see a lot of the GOOD it done, the awful things it overturned, and the good it can continue to do. The leftist worldview, on the other hand, is more like, “All of history was BIGOTED, AWFUL, RACIST and SEXIST until my gender studies professor came along to set things right. Thousands of years of tradition, the slow painful development towards more egalitarianism and a more sophisticated moral code — all WORTHLESS because they didn’t have gender-neutral bathrooms.” This neo-Bolshevik — and it really is reminiscent of Stalinism — mindset, obviously looks over all the suffering it causes in its idealistic attempts to bring about a utopia and all the paradoxes in its worldview. It doesn’t matter if it turns out that kids getting sex reassignment surgery start regretting it and thinking they were exploited due to their mental illness — this is “transphobic bigoted alt-right misinformation, and we need to censor writers like Abigail Shrier and make sure her harmful transphobic nonsense doesn’t hurt the trans community at large. It doesn’t matter if a lax immigration policy leads to spikes in violent crime, such as happened in Germany with Merkel’s refugee crisis — we need to non-person academics who talk about it, retract the studies, censor this information in the mainstream media, and condemn all people who talk about it as ‘White supremacists’. We need to lower standards for historical victim groups, and feed people massive lies about which direction Black-on-White/White-on-Black violence typically goes (not just a little lie, mind you — a MASSIVE lie with MASSIVE far-reaching implications when applied societally), to justify our little BLM revolutionaries. We need to make White kids feel guilty for segregation and slavery, while we ourselves ironically institute a new form of segregation based on vaccination status (etc.)”

[Anonymous No.20327026]

>>20327002
I’m certain the higher-ups don’t while the proles obviously do.

[Anonymous No.20327030]

>>20326994
Because you still betray us every chance you get. How’s China looking to you these days? They still doing zero covid policy? Ridiculous.

>>20327004
>Ha! You didn’t know 60% of those asked in the black community said thus and such about college
Which zip codes was this even conducted? I work with a bourgeois black who still supports Obama, on my ride home I saw a homeless black dude so strung out he looked dead. My ignorance of your little statistic means shit in the real world where the real people are.

[Anonymous No.20327039]

>>20327004
Watch what black Americans DO not what they say. Black Americans overwhelmingly dislike police.

>>20327020
>Modern leftism is like throwing out the baby with the bath water — because the West has a history of crimes like slavery, oppression, colonialism, warfare and so forth, we need to destroy Western heritage, flood the West with poorer migrants who don’t integrate as well and even lead to statistical spikes in violent crime, poverty, and unemployment, and we need to call everyone against throwing the West and its heritage into a dumpster and setting it on fire “A White supremacist.”
Yes. This is called "penance" in the Christian tradition (which is embodied today by Liberalism as almost no one really believes in the historical truth of Christianity any more).

>The leftist worldview, on the other hand, is more like, “All of history was BIGOTED, AWFUL, RACIST and SEXIST until my gender studies professor came along to set things right. Thousands of years of tradition, the slow painful development towards more egalitarianism and a more sophisticated moral code — all WORTHLESS because they didn’t have gender-neutral bathrooms.”
This is basically admitting that my claims are right while denying that repentance or any serious penance must happen.

[Anonymous No.20327042]

>>20327030
>audited polling of representative samples bad
>anecdote about my trip home good

>>20327039
another progressive who doesnt know shit about most black americans

[Anonymous No.20327072]

>>20326661
Horseshoe theory

[Anonymous No.20327090]

>>20327020
The modern monstrous pseudo-“Left” is, finally, so disgusting and monstrous because after all this, it then has the gall to still paint itself as the “unjustly maligned victim always in danger and under threat by the crazy Nazis and White supremacist dinosaurs in the GOP. We definitely don’t have any massive social sway and predominance in the entertainment industry, academia, the K-12 education system — we’re a ragtag bunch of oppressed victims who only recently historically have succeeded in gaining the role proper to us!”

>>20327039
To repeat the part about the Pharisees that I brought up — a perfect analogy, since Christ used Pharisaism as an emblem of what happens when adhering to societal norms and a rigid punish-the-law-breaker/exalt-ourselves-(the-good-ones) moral code turns into an un-Christian, ungodly artifice. In their strict adherence to “the Law”, as some social code they’ve decided is the be-all end-all formulation of ethics, they actually turn into the people who would gladly crucify Christ.

Enough, anyway. We’re talking at cross-angles. As >>20326996 points out this type of argument can’t be resolved in words, I don’t want to SEE it happen but the way the West is going today, a Turner-Diaries-style swingback with right wing militias and revolutionaries continuing the cycle of historical political violence and getting revenge against their smug “moral superiors” is a probable part of the American and European future... the “if I’m already going to be called a Nazi simply for disagreeing about your pronouns, why not go all the way?” mindset, in other words — a dangerous one for society, but an understandable one.

[Anonymous No.20327107]

>>20327020
>>20327039
>It doesn’t matter if a lax immigration policy leads to spikes in violent crime, such as happened in Germany with Merkel’s refugee crisis — we need to non-person academics who talk about it, retract the studies, censor this information in the mainstream media, and condemn all people who talk about it as ‘White supremacists’.
The reality is that almost everyone who does talk about it IS some sort of white supremacist and does so with the intent of carrying out mass deportation if not outright genocide. Just read actual RW anon posters or blogs, expulsion or extermination are the goal.

>We need to lower standards for historical victim groups, and feed people massive lies about which direction Black-on-White/White-on-Black violence typically goes (not just a little lie, mind you — a MASSIVE lie with MASSIVE far-reaching implications when applied societally), to justify our little BLM revolutionaries.
This is unfortunately a noble lie needed to protect black Americans. Most right-wing claims about black Americans are As shown by history, everyone actually WILL despise them if not protected by an enlightened elite who possess some semblance of morality. See >>20326855, the protection of the historically oppressed can't be left to the benighted masses' vote.

>We need to make White kids feel guilty for segregation and slavery
We dindu nuffin. "No!" to repentance, or penance, or reparation. Does this sound like Christianity or like Nietzsche?

[Anonymous No.20327135]

>>20327107
>most RW claims about black Americans' crime rates, etc. are factually true
Fixed.

>The modern monstrous pseudo-“Left” is, finally, so disgusting and monstrous because after all this, it then has the gall to still paint itself as the “unjustly maligned victim always in danger and under threat by the crazy Nazis and White supremacist dinosaurs in the GOP
The Left = victims and their protectors. This century we will see a recognition of this fact, namely, that the Left are the guardians of moral values (at least as morality is understood post-WW2/Civil Rights).

>To repeat the part about the Pharisees that I brought up — a perfect analogy, since Christ used Pharisaism as an emblem of what happens when adhering to societal norms and a rigid punish-the-law-breaker/exalt-ourselves-(the-good-ones) moral code turns into an un-Christian, ungodly artifice.
Right but the entire point of post-WW2 leftism is that CHRISTIANITY HAS FAILED. See WW2, where the beating heart of Christendom, Germany, gave a giant middle finger to Christian morality and went on a genocide spree, towards other white people no less. At least the English or French could argue that nonwhites were too benighted to really be moral agents even if that isn't true.

>I don’t want to SEE it happen but the way the West is going today, a Turner-Diaries-style swingback with right wing militias and revolutionaries continuing the cycle of historical political violence and getting revenge against their smug “moral superiors” is a probable part of the American and European future
It will happen, the most likely path to this is Christian churches walking back their stances on sexual morality while continuing to preach against racism, thus allowing them to provide a sacral basis for post-WW2 morality while the Right will come to see the Christian tradition as the main adversary.

[Anonymous No.20327141]

>>20327107
Eventually people will stop viewing your ilk as “Just those crazy social-justice ideologues who take it a LITTLE too far but who I need to play along to get along with,” and instead (rightly) view you as, “Those people who represent an existential threat to my way of life and my children’s way of life and grandchildren’s way of life.” They will see the future you want to make for them and their descendants is not one they want and then really horrible things will start happening. I don’t respond to you by the specific arguments and sentences anymore you’re writing, but simply to the tone and the entire smug worldview of seeing yourselves as the noble, unjustly maligned victims who can never be in the wrong. Brains will start imploding when you start realizing people no longer care about your double-standards, your only wanting to be able to play identity politics for your group but seal it off for White males and conservatives. Ironically, you and your kind have created your own worst enemies, people flock to “far-right nativists and populists and demagogues” (not a phenomenon I’m 100% on board with but which I much prefer to your type) precisely because of you. If you guys think Trump was bad just wait for what you might see in the future. And don’t cry like the victim and claim you had no role in it when people get sick of adhering to this toxic death cult which requires them to constantly do penance for their historical sins and have no independent world views.

[Anonymous No.20327177]

>>20327141
I know what's going to happen, but that doesn't make it morally good.

>"Those people who represent an existential threat to my way of life and my children’s way of life and grandchildren’s way of life.”
>t. descendants of genocidal imperialists balking at some degree of reparations to victims.

>Brains will start imploding when you start realizing people no longer care about your double-standards, your only wanting to be able to play identity politics for your group but seal it off for White males and conservatives.
>And don’t cry like the victim and claim you had no role in it when people get sick of adhering to this toxic death cult which requires them to constantly do penance for their historical sins and have no independent world views.
I'm white, I'm just explaining the moral universe as I see it right now in the West. Assuming that what we both think will happen plays out it will be the final death of Western Christianity (even though it's a corpse today kept alive in the form of Liberalism).

[Anonymous No.20327215]

>>20327042
I’m not even invalidating your numbers, I’m saying they don’t matter

[Anonymous No.20327228]

>>20327177
>I know what's going to happen
It sounds like you don't. The modern left is a corporate invention, it's already been bought and sold.

>>20327204
>>20327215
>Doubleposting
Embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.20327230]

>>20326839
>denial of wrongdoing towards, historical victim groups
You fundamentally misunderstand the rights response.
It is two fold.
>It happened but the narrow context of the horrible things make it out to be uniquely aweful. In full context of history before, being far far worse than anything the west has done, and the after, the acts the west has already taken to make up for it go far beyond anything any group has ever done for victims
And
>no one alive has directly caused or been effected by said atrocities. The legal systems in force things to be as fair as possible. Any grievance towards living memebers of the oppressive group for actions of memebers of the past can easily be done the same for the victims. Their group being oppressors at one time (everyone has been). All this in mind everone should continue equally since equity is a fools errand.


Those are the two right wing ideas on it.

[Anonymous No.20327250]

>>20326620
>>20326624
>>20326646
YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.20327256]

>>20327228
>>20327228
>It sounds like you don't. The modern left is a corporate invention, it's already been bought and sold.
If corporations want to be moral, that's fine with me. I'm not advocating Marxism-Leninism, that's a dead tradition that's only relevant in the developing world within countries undergoing industrialization and/or decolonization.

>>20327230
Sure, and the left wing response is:
>in the first case, horrible things ARE uniquely awful because the Christian tradition ought to immunize you against such acts, Mexicans sacrificing to Tlaloc or whatever have no means of knowing better. And no, not enough has been done to apologize.
>In the second case, it doesn't matter as they still bear the burden of historical guilt. Appeals to fairness are just a means of weaseling out of the need to do penance. Whataboutism doesn't apply because Christianity should have enabled Western peoples to know better and thus they must be held to a higher moral standard.

[Anonymous No.20327259]

the tranny seething about thomas sowell itt is the reason why nazis will literally rule the world in less than 50 years
and this time, they will be actually cruel
you brought this upon yourself

[Anonymous No.20327273]

>>20326839
>Christian churches will baptize left-wing politics and change doctrines on gay/trans/whatever
Yeah definitely what's happening you fucking retard https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/new-survey-raises-concerns-about-increasingly-conservative-clergy

[Anonymous No.20327284]

>>20326646
>authoritarian
Doubt

Incels are your shadow persona

[Anonymous No.20327285]

>>20326606
Because he’s le based black man!

[Anonymous No.20327291]

>>20327273
Cardinals are what matter not low-level priests. Pretty sure the Cardinals have become even more left-wing under Francis and will stay that way for awhile. Besides the Church hierarchy is controlled by the CIA anyway. As I've been saying ITT the future for left-wing politics is as an aristocratic anti-democratic post-Christian ideology devoted to protecting the historically victimized.

[Anonymous No.20327295]

>>20327291
> As I've been saying ITT
Sure, but you're retarded and everything you said was equally retarded.

[Anonymous No.20327303]

>>20327295
Don't worry, I know that the side of morality will lose this century, until the Right once again does something so comically evil that they're repudiated for another century or so.

[Anonymous No.20327310]

>>20327303
Ok, but like I said you're retarded so you literally can't seem to have a non-retarded thought.

[Anonymous No.20327327]

>>20327310
Meh, if you can't see the inherent evil of right-wing thought then there's nothing to argue about.

[Anonymous No.20327396]

>>20326839
>The essence of being right-wing, as of now, is disdain for, and denial of wrongdoing towards, historical victim groups
Absolutely this, only it's:
>towards so-called historical victim groups
Even the communists would disagree with you. Even Jordan Peterson would succesfully disprove your. In short, the answer to your drivel is:
>there's no historical group subject to more victimization than another (unless you choose to view history as purely class conflict), it's silly to call X people victimizers just because they were at one point better at war than their enemies. History is all victimization
>people are still victimized today and those who you call victimizers are the ones who took the biggest steps to minimize victimization

[Anonymous No.20327437]

>>20327327
>inherent evil of right-wing thought

How is natural law "inherently evil"? Do you have brain damage?

[Anonymous No.20327525]

>>20327256
>Sure, and the left wing response is:
>>in the first case, horrible things ARE uniquely awful because the Christian tradition ought to immunize you against such acts, Mexicans sacrificing to Tlaloc or whatever have no means of knowing better. And no, not enough has been done to apologize.
What does that mean to most people today? From the rights perspective they are either not Christian or know that the left holds Christian ideals in contempt so using it against them is powerless.


>>In the second case, it doesn't matter as they still bear the burden of historical guilt. Appeals to fairness are just a means of weaseling out of the need to do penance. Whataboutism doesn't apply because Christianity should have enabled Western peoples to know better and thus they must be held to a higher moral standard.

I think the right does not feel guilt as they feel they are not responsible for the sins of the past. Froms schools to pop culture most right wing have to go out of their way to connect with the past and when they do they see a very nuanced version, one that doesnt smell of guilt.
What they see is institutions aiming for equity which hurts them (usually whites, lantinos, asians) and they earn for fairness.
White rightwingers especially feel like more than enough has been done to apologize, especially those schooled in history. Outside of that, they see the west filled with nonwhites, where the rest of the world looks to be fairly homogenous.
That appears to be the penance enough.
Denied that society and forced to build it.

I dont think white guilt is ever coming back. Especially with the right wing

[Anonymous No.20327556]

>>20327525
>White rightwingers especially feel like more than enough has been done to apologize
No, I feel like there was nothing ever to apologize for. For being stronger than others? Whites always played with more fairness and dignity than literally all other races. Everyone else acts much worse, so what's there to apologize? Colonization brought civilization to the rest of the world, and everyone should be happy it happened. Literally nothing to apologize for.

[Anonymous No.20327570]

>>20327437
Natural law shouldn't take precedence over protecting the weak, marginalized, historical victims, and the like, which is almost always what the Right means when it invokes natural law.

>>20327525
>What does that mean to most people today? From the rights perspective they are either not Christian or know that the left holds Christian ideals in contempt so using it against them is powerless.
The Right holds Christian ideals in contempt, they're just delusional because they think they're drawing on Christianity as in their mind Christian = traditional/old = good. They are actually drawing on Nietzsche, especially the younger ones, not on Christianity. As another example, look at the language they use to self-describe: Shitlord, wrongthinker, edgelord, (politically) incorrect, and so on - all negative-connotation language. it's blatantly obvious that they identify with evil and oppose actually-existing morality as it is understood post-WW2. In reality their Christianity is no more than anti-feminist/anti-gay bigotry, they really couldn't give a shit about anything else in the Bible.

>White rightwingers especially feel like more than enough has been done to apologize, especially those schooled in history. Outside of that, they see the west filled with nonwhites, where the rest of the world looks to be fairly homogenous.
Again you have to approach this question from a post-Christian perspective understanding what makes Christianity unique. Is it true that nonwhite peoples committed sins? Yes. However, as they never received Christian teachings until much later, they wouldn't have a way to appreciate their own wrongdoing. They were the moral equivalent of 7-year olds not yet at the age of reason. Is this white man's burden-ish? Yes but I think it's also true. The magnitude of the sin is different for white people because they knew what they were doing was wrong and rationalized it away.

[Anonymous No.20327578]

>>20327256
>I'm not advocating Marxism-Leninism, that's a dead tradition that's only relevant in the developing world within countries undergoing industrialization and/or decolonization
Oh, then our disagreement would be a question of morality. Killing tens to hundreds of millions of people, not to mention the dishonorable tactics of the left over the years are patently immoral and nothing short of the constitution of multiple atrocities. Any advocacy of picking up where they left off would be a continuation of that oppressive behavior. Something the left would first have to answer for before accusing anyone else of the same thing. Aside from the fact that corporations have been the ones to perpetrate the abuses the left is prematurely accusing everyone else of in the first place. In the end they'd just be doing what they always did.

[Anonymous No.20327581]

>>20327570
NO. NATURAL LAW MEANS "LEAVE GRUG ALONE." WHEN RETARDS IN SURGICAL MASKS STOP LEAVING GRUG ALONE, THEY GET WHAT THE FUCKING DESERVE

[Anonymous No.20327594]

>>20327578
Marxism-Leninism was unironically an Asiatic deviation.