/dq/ - Don Quixote Read-Along & Discussion Thread

[Anonymous No.20320709]

We're reading Don Quixote from April 23rd to May 24th. ITT we are approaching the end of Part 1 and beginning Part 2 ITT

Schedule:
>April 23rd: Start reading DQ Part I; Chapters 1-4
>April 24th: Chapters 5-8
>April 25th: Chapters 9-12
>April 26th: Chapters 13-16
>April 27th: Chapters 17-20
>April 28th: Chapters 21-24
>April 29th: Chapters 25-27
>April 30th: Chapters 28-32
>May 1st: Chapters 33-36
>May 2nd: Chapters 37-41
>May 3rd: Chapters 42-44
>May 4th: Chapters 45-48
>May 5th: Chapters 49-52; End of the first part of DQ
>May 6th: and on this day the lord rested to give the anons a day to catch up and discuss Part 1.
>May 7th: Start reading DQ Part II; Chapters 1-4
>May 8th: Chapters 4-8
>May 9th: Chapters 9-11
>May 10th: Chapters 12-15
>May 11th: Chapters 16-19
>May 12th: Chapters 20-23
>May 13th: Chapters 24-27
>May 14th: Chapters 28-31
>May 15th: Chapters 32-35
>May 16th: Chapters 36-39
>May 17th: Chapters 40-43
>May 18th: Chapters 44-47
>May 19th: Chapters 48-51
>May 20th: Chapters 52-55
>May 21th: Chapters 56-59
>May 22th: Chapters 60-63
>May 23th: Chapters 64-67
>May 24th: Chapters 68-72; End of the second part

Previous Thread: >>20286738

[Anonymous No.20320713]

>For what beauty can there be, or what proportion to the parts to the whole, and of the whole to the parts, in a book or fable, in which a youth of sixteen years hews down with his sword a giant as big as a steeple, and splits him in two, as if he were made of paste?

Cervantes predicted Berserk

[Anonymous No.20320786]

gonna catch up today, maybe get a day's advance and finish the first volume.

[Anonymous No.20320797]

>>20320709
good idea to have the day off between part one and part two OP, hopefully anons can catch up.

[Anonymous No.20320802]

read chapter 43 aloud with a friend and busted a gut at Don standing on his horse with his hand tied. Part of it was also Don's presentation and instruction of

>Lady, take this hand, or rather this scourge of the evil-doers of the earth. Take this hand, I say, which no other woman's has touched, not even hers who has complete possession of my whole body. I do not give it to you to kiss, but that you may gaze upon the structure of its sinews, the interlacement of its muscles, the width and capacity of its veins, from all of which you may judge what strength must be in the arm that such a hand belongs.

a mutual friend of ours was lamenting about his small bitch hands so we sent him that passage.
>>20320786
go for it anon. the second part is more evenly distributed averaging at about 23-4 pages a day, so hopefully we can stay on track. Might be more to talk about to as the philosophical elements become more explicit.

[Anonymous No.20320970]

Going to stick to the original schedule, dont agree with you trying to change it for everyone without a poll. Why should my schedule change because some plebs can't read a lousy 40 pages max a day?

[Anonymous No.20321061]

>>20320970
here's a poll then

https://strawpoll.com/polls/QrgeVealRZp

[Anonymous No.20321070]

I'm two days late

[Anonymous No.20321075]

>>20321070
forgot the pic

[Anonymous No.20321107]

>>20321070
>>20321075
may 2nd had a 40 page load. if that's where you're at i pity you, but you might be forgiven for skipping the entire Captive's Tale. Don Quixote's speech about arms vs words in chapter 37 & 38 is amusing though. the 3rd 4th and 5th are lighter loads at 19, 23 and 21 pages respectively so you have a chance to catch up, but vote in the strawpoll if you could use an extra day >>20321061

[Anonymous No.20321157]

I fell behind and had to resort to the audiobook so I can listen at work.

still behind :(

[Anonymous No.20321517]

>>20321107
Skipping the captives tale is blasphemy, it is the best one so far, meetup with the judge had me crying

Besides what is the point of a read along if you are going to skip parts? Why even read at all?

[Anonymous No.20321544]

>>20321517
I agree, I didn't know such a short story could make me so happy

[Anonymous No.20321742]

The captives tale was one of the best parts of the book so far, and an interesting look into the two different cultures during the 17th century

[Anonymous No.20321805]

iirc book 2 will have more tales and even tales within tales around the same subject, so skipping the captive's tale is not a good idea, if you do that, you'll end up skipping half the book.

[Anonymous No.20321837]

Sorry for my tardiness, I was busy with The Wasp Factory but finally finished it and it was rather good!

Your excitement about the Captives Tale is making ME excited to finally read it, I won't skip it, Anon. Pommes.

And without further poo poo, time to spend some more time with our two clumsy rascals.

[Anonymous No.20321859]

Holy fuck I fall behind, still on chapter 20. I just tried hard to not get fired, working weekends etc. But I will try to make it this sayurday

[Anonymous No.20321865]

Fucking kek at the man who was recklessly curious. I know a guy like that.

[Anonymous No.20321870]

>>20321837
Glad you enjoyed it anon, it was definitely one of the most autistic books I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.20322670]

>>20321107
Skipping a part would not equal reading the book anon

[Anonymous No.20324257]

Finished the first part and I have to say it has been a kino reading.

[Anonymous No.20324330]

The chapters where no less than half of the text is dedicated to Cervantes talking at us about books, plays, or whatever else, are kind of annoying. Both this latest chapter (48) and the book burning one near the beginning of the novel have felt tedious and borderline masturbatory.

Don't get me wrong, I've been loving Don Quixote for the most part so far, I just dislike that Cervantes occasionally takes such lengthy digressions from the story for no apparent reason.

[Anonymous No.20324508]

Pic related gave me the first good laugh in a while, also the fight that ensued too.

For a moment I thought the Canon would get through to DQ and make him realise his madness, but of course he just got worse.

Also I was confused a bit in the goatherds story as he named his rival as Anselmo, I assumed it was Anselmo from the Lothario story and it confused me as their history was different and I realised Cervantes had just reused the Anselmo name again, which is strange as it seems like a unique name and I find it strange he chose that name instead of another.

>>20324330
Agreed, he loves to brag about how much he has read and knows about and it drags on.

The epitaphs and sonnets at the end were beautiful.

[Anonymous No.20325863]

>>20324330
Pure autism from Cervantes

[Anonymous No.20326301]

Just read the preface to part two. Cervantes really BTFO that plagiarist hack.

[Anonymous No.20326565]

>>20320709
>tfw on chapter 71 of part 2
holy shit bros, i don't want it to end, this has been the most fun reading experience i've had yet

[Anonymous No.20326674]

Seeing as today we should be finishing up part one and starting part two soon, I thought I would ask, any final thoughts on part one, anons? And what are your hopes for part two?

[Anonymous No.20326721]

>>20324508
I knew it was this part before even opening the picture. It's so good.

[Anonymous No.20326949]

I dont know why but in my mind I keep picturing DQ and Sancho as pic related.

[Anonymous No.20327233]

>>20326949
/co/fag here; Disney tried for many years to make an animated version of Don Quixote (pic related) but it was never able to get past the finish line for one reason or another.

[Anonymous No.20327315]

>>20327233
much better than my quixote for sure
got any more drawings ?

[Anonymous No.20327407]

>>20327315
Sure! Here's one from the same test. They tried many different times with many different styles over the years.

[Anonymous No.20327576]

Anyone else got the 4th centenary edition? My copy came with a cut ribbon marker, I'm thinking of replacing it with a satin one, but I need to know what does the original measure. Can someone measure it for me in centimeters, please?

[Anonymous No.20327613]

>>20326674
In contrast to the other anons, my favorite parts were the book burning and discussions about novels. Don Quixote didn't read novels to judge their qualities, and he didn't read them for entertainment. A part of him took those books seriously and on their own terms, everything he does afterwards is him being honest about that. Socrates says in Crito "I cannot, now that this fate has come upon me, discard the arguments I used; they seem to me much the same. I value and respect the same principles as before...". I believe a similar sentiment is communicated when Don Quixote goes into a voluntary penance while Sancho delivers his letter to Dulcinea, and when he agrees to go into the cage at the end of Book 1.

Don Quixote is a book with many qualities, and it is entertaining, but it also leaves us with some of Don Quixote's madness to call upon in our own reading. We can be apprehensive about reading like some of the more clever characters, or we can read in the hope of some hypothetical reward, or we can read for any particular reason that we find the character Don Quixote endearing.

Maybe 'relatable' is more correct than 'endearing', or maybe I could phrase it in a way that can frame Don Quixote's frequent acts of violence to the way we go about reading. Maybe it doesn't just apply to reading, but the way we approach activities that are disdained but popular, like sports or anime. I've only read part one so far, so I could be totally off the mark. I've heard that part two is about an attempt to cure him. My hope it will identify a common thread between characters like Don Quixote and Raskolnikov, Holden Caulfield or Travis Bickle.

[Anonymous No.20328175]

I was reading at the park and an old man walking around the park with his wife asked me “what are you reading?” And i said don quixote, his wife says he loves that book and he tells me it’s one of his favorites. He walked a couple steps ahead and turned back and said “actually it’s my favorite ever”.

[Anonymous No.20328305]

>>20320709
>the donkey and the horse are friends
Cute.

[Anonymous No.20328682]

>>20324330
ah, really? those were some of my favorites; though i suppose in some way Cervantes is kind of brow beating the underlying theme of the novel in these segments. We gather here at /lit/ to participate in similar kinds of literary conversations, i enjoy comparing our conversations. Again, I find it interesting how Cervantes uses the religious figures to discuss the validity of certain literature; they don't even mention the Bible because, like Don Quixote, they consider it history.

>>20327613
>maybe I could phrase it in a way that can frame Don Quixote's frequent acts of violence to the way we go about reading.
elaborate! I was about to say to the anti lit convo anons that Don Quixote is essentially acting out a radical interpretation of chivalric texts. It reminds me vaguely of vaporwave; reinterpreting junk culture far from what it's creators may have intended.

[Anonymous No.20328808]

>>20328682
I guess my issue with those parts is that they feel too much like Cervantes briefly reviewing various books and bragging about how many he had read/how big his library was, or commenting on the stage plays of his day, and not enough like characters having natural conversations with one another.

[Anonymous No.20329019]

>>20327233
>Disney tried for many years to make an animated version of Don Quixote
fuck, a hand drawn disney adaptation of this could be really cool, although they probably wouldn't get it right because you just can't fit a 1000 page novel into a 90 minute animation

[Anonymous No.20329022]

>>20328808
isn't that also kind of a meta joke? i mean in the preface he states that many authors rely on referencing other works but he will not. and then he does the exact opposite

[Anonymous No.20329048]

>>20328682
>elaborate! I was about to say to the anti lit convo anons that Don Quixote is essentially acting out a radical interpretation of chivalric texts. It reminds me vaguely of vaporwave; reinterpreting junk culture far from what it's creators may have intended.

I would say, if you have no opinion on Don Quixote, he'll attack you so that you'll at least have a negative opinion of him. Does that mean we should attack people who have the ability to read but decide against it? He definitely involves everyone in his delusions, which is a weirdly equitable and violent idea. And that goes for the authors of the books he has read and the people he encounters in his adventures. Vaporware is a great example, there's almost a direct connection considering Don Quixote's "Golden Age" speeches. I'm all jumbled up here but I think I'll have to read part 2 before I can express it in a clear way.

[Anonymous No.20329122]

>>20329022
That may be the case, though I thought that part was referring more to citing philosophers and the like than "regular" authors.

Perhaps I'm looking at it the wrong way, it could just be Cervantes satirizing the character of the priest and his overly moralistic nature. First, by choosing which books to burn and which to keep based on his own subjective (and seemingly quite variable) sense of morality, then again by saying he dislikes that some plays defy convention and prefers "moral tales" that both "delight and teach" without being quite so grandiose.

[Anonymous No.20329332]

>>20328175
Based, I want to be friends with him

[Anonymous No.20329334]

Now the dust of has settled on the first part, is the character of Don Quixote based or cringe? I thought he was just a degenerate lunatic but after launching that loaf of bread at the goatsherd and calling him a son of a whore, I've come to the conclusion that's he very well may be based

[Anonymous No.20329918]

>>20329019
Yeah, this problem has hung over every attempted adaptation, which is part of the reason so many of them have died in production. (Even Orson Welles was unable to finish his film.) The most successful adaptation, Man of La Mancha, essentially took the characters and most famous vignettes and put them in a completely different story. (It's pretty good if you like musicals; I'd recommend it and Jacques Brel's chanson-style French cover album.)

[Anonymous No.20330112]

>>20329334
ha, that's a ridiculous moment to finally come around to Don Quixote. In the second part, he has less to prove and more to reflect on so critics tend to like him more there, apparently. Actually, some people consider that the second part could be re-titled "Sancho's quest". The meta elements double down near instantly, so i get why it's the preferred book - i just really enjoyed the saucy Lothario tale and the subsequent lovers reunion and Don Quixote attributing it all to "the chimeras of knight errantry"; which in that very peculiar case was practically valid. They all came together, as ridiculous and unlikely as it was, because of Don Quixote's quest to resurrect Knight errantry, or rather, because of Cervantes' quest to lampoon it.

>>20328175
i think you were somehow talking to me and my wife in the future after we time traveled back to now

[Anonymous No.20330269]

>>20326565
first time I read it I couldn't finish it. Don't think I ever will even though I'll definitely read DQ again some time in the future. I'm actually planning on having that last chapter read to me in my deathbed, and then I'll see who dies first, DQ or me.

[Anonymous No.20330277]

>>20327576
you mean the RAE edition, anon? Mine is 28 cm.

[Anonymous No.20330293]

What’s the best version I can download for free?

[Anonymous No.20330330]

>>20330277
Yes, that one. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.20330530]

>>20329022
he's also trashing knight novels, but he's writing one. there lies the merit, Cervantes is teaching them (and us) how to do it with artistic merit. the equivalent nowadays is Ballester or the south american magic realists. they write fantasy novels, but literary ones. They don't trash Tolkien, GRRM or the others directly, but the trashing is implied.

[Anonymous No.20330735]

>>20320709
I tried, but Don Quixote is just not for me.

I'm completely happy with "fighting the windmills". There are much better books than this boring book. It's not really bad, but I'm only interested in specific books because I already read science books all day and I don't give a fuck about social criticism, because every fucking political science, history, or psychology book I read already flooded me with all the social criticism.

See you when the next Read Along is, maybe with a book I actually want to read.

[Anonymous No.20330985]

>>20330735
That's okay Anon, I hope you enjoy your next book

[Anonymous No.20331000]

Bro, Im reading the chapters where Anselmo is trying to get Loratiro to seduce his wife to test her virtue. Im getting kind of chubbed up over here thinking about how hot it would be to slowly escalate the sexual tension with my friends chaste and beautiful wife. Eventually getting to the point where she is sucking my cock while Anselmo is out buying some sheep. Getting to the point where the charade has gone on for so many months Camila get pregnat with my child and I have completeled cucked the idiot Anselmo just to provew the point that his plan was stupid.

[Anonymous No.20331006]

>>20330735
filtered, you are an arrogant fool.

[Anonymous No.20331057]

>>20331000
Cheers anon, now I'm bricked up

[Anonymous No.20331080]

>>20331000
keep reading

[Anonymous No.20331109]

>>20326674
Not really final thoughts, but I'm going to share my favorite passages so far. Usually when I read a book I note down the page number and passage I especially like. (Note I'm using Vintage's Gross(wo)man edition so page number and translation might vary)

Page 286
>If a man seeks the impossible, the possible may be justly denied him
Page 412
>If one were to reply that those who compose these books write them as fictions, and therefore are not obliged to consider the fine points of truth, I should respond that the more truthful the fiction, the better it is, and the more probable and possible, the more pleasing.
Page 415
>If all, or almost all, the plays that are popular now, imaginative works as well as historical ones, are known to be nonsense and without rhyme or reason, and despite this the mob hears them with pleasure and thinks of them and approves of them as good, when they are very far from being so, and the authors who compose them and the actors who perform them say they must be like this because that is just how the mob wants them, and no other way; the plays that have a design and follow the story as art demands appeal to a handful of discerning persons who understand them, while everyone else is incapable of comprehending their artistry; and since, as far as the authors and actors are concerned, it is better to earn a living with the crowd than a reputation with the elite, this is what would happen to my book after I had singed my eyebrows trying to keep the precepts I have mentioned and had become the tailor who wasn’t paid.

Sometimes though I get too engrossed in the book and forget about writing them down, so I end up with less notes than I would have liked. In this case I only started halfway through.

[Anonymous No.20331137]

>>20331080
I have to take a break and rub one out first. The part where Loratio is readining Camila sonnets right in front of Anselmo is getting me too hard to focus. The audacity of it is too much.

[Anonymous No.20331680]

Where did Nabokov anon go? :(

[Anonymous No.20331699]

>>20330735
I was you about twenty years ago. I bought Don Quixote around the time Grossman's translation was published, gave it a try, and was so bored by the characters discussing which novels of knight errantry to keep and which to discard that I figured the entire book was as boring and gave up on it entirely. Then one day not very long ago I was browsing /lit/ and saw they were doing a read-along, and the rest is history.

Please try again - not necessarily soon, but try again, it really is worth it.

[Anonymous No.20331702]

>>20331109
Very based, I should do the same. I feel like writing down my favourite passages might help retain them more in my mind as well.

[Anonymous No.20331708]

Check em

[Anonymous No.20331733]

Check em

[Anonymous No.20332486]

I am now on Anselmo, Leotardo chapters, those sucks ass so much, boring and nothing to do with rest of book. Should I skip those?

[Anonymous No.20332736]

>>20332486
Really? I thought they were quite good. If you decide to skip them, I would not recommend skipping anything but the two friends story, because the captive and the muledriver boys stories are pretty good and relevant to the inn section as a whole.

[Anonymous No.20333295]

>>20332486
idk, i just found it good fun that in this story where everyone is highly influenced by stories that we entirely engross ourselves in their experience of a story found in a trunk at an inn. I love the context that some are illiterate and this is the way they experience stories strictly. The whole scene reminds me of watching an engrossing movie with friends where everyone was deeply moved but inexplicably different motives.

[Anonymous No.20333326]

FOR ANONS STILL CATCHING UP
Part one:
>chapters 21-24 = 35 pages
>chapters 25-27 = 34 pages
>chapters 28-32 = 40 pages
>chapters 33-36 = 40 pages
>chapters 37-41 = 40 pages
>chapters 42-44 = 19 pages
>chapters 45-48 = 23 pages
>chapters 49-52 = 21 pages

the rest of Part 2 averages at about 23 pages per day, so if you read roughly 30+ pages a day, you will catch up eventually!

personally idc if anons sticking to the old schedule share their insights or quotes a day ahead. spoiler them if you must, but have fun, be merry, whatever

[Anonymous No.20333598]

>>20327613
the whole section with the canon lamenting the state of modern plays pandering to the masses was so based. YA fags and marvel chuds BTFO

[Anonymous No.20334081]

Anyone read the fake part two that the preface is about?

[Anonymous No.20334187]

Oh boy, we've only just started the second part and Don Quixote is already aware that a book based on his exploits has been published. Things are going to get even more meta from here, aren't they?

[Anonymous No.20334199]

>>20333326
Yeah fuck that I'm not reading this much

[Anonymous No.20334244]

that rest day was blessed as I'm now caught up!

[Anonymous No.20334704]

>>20334187
Oh absolutely. Now our little nigga is basically famous it's going to go to his head and he's going to become even more retarded. Sancho will still be eternally based, hope that spic gets his island

[Anonymous No.20334801]

I finished Prisoner of War story now, its really great I think and much better than cuck story before. Made me cry a bit when father cried and beh daughter to return and when captive met his uncle in village after many years of prison. Idk stuff like this does something. I wonder if this chapter is so powerful because Cervantes was prisoner himself, so writing this was sort of celebration of regaining freedom for him

[Anonymous No.20335385]

>>20334081
idk if it exists anymore...

[Anonymous No.20335937]

>>20324508
The bit that made me laugh was the number 1/number 2 bit

[Anonymous No.20336937]

>>20320709
Do people actually read this books?

[Anonymous No.20337090]

>>20336937
Yes.

[Anonymous No.20337101]

>>20336937
yes

[Anonymous No.20337120]

>>20336937
I think it would be nice to do a poll on how many of us have kept up, because I think a lot of people tapped out after the first 3 or 4 days

[Anonymous No.20337130]

>>20336937
finished it yesterday, truly great. i can't even concentrate on my new book because i am constantly thinking about DQ. Part 1 is funnier but Part 2 is probably better overall

[Anonymous No.20337322]

>>20329019
That's why you just adapt a specific section

[Anonymous No.20337399]

>>20337120
I've been reading it every day but my life will not allow me to stay on schedule. Fully intend to finish the book, probably will sometime early to mid June.

[Anonymous No.20337855]

>>20337120
I am very busy, but I just finished part 1 today after starting about a week late.

[Anonymous No.20338133]

> one day break on the weekend

I was keeping up, but now am falling behind due to actual life stuff happening on the weekend. The pace is a bit too quick imo..

[Anonymous No.20338141]

>>20332486
The little asides that have nothing to do with the rest of the book are, ironically, part of what makes the book so soulful.

[Anonymous No.20338148]

>>20334081
Cervantes's potent seething about the fake version is so palpable throughout the entirety of the second part it almost makes me want to read it out of curiosity.

>>20335385
Is it really lost? I never found a translation of the "fake" one and I just assumed it was obscure, not lost outright.

[Anonymous No.20338601]

>>20338133
it's a book that i would encourage to read slowly. I found that when I did I would naturally reflect on each chapter and find wonderful new angles to analyze them from.

[Anonymous No.20338692]

>>20338148
Here’s an article about it.
Not reading it myself until I have finished the book.

https://www.nypl.org/blog/2015/04/22/case-false-quixote

[Anonymous No.20338780]

>>20336937
For me its 60 pages till end of part I. Ill try to finish it today. Honestly it's one of the easiest book to read I got my hands on these days

[Anonymous No.20339853]

>>20336937
I'm behind two chapters but hopefully the beginning of Part 2 is light enough that it won't be a problem.
Maybe we should keep every Saturday as a free day to catch up?

[Anonymous No.20340743]

>>20339853
This is what happens when you give plebs 1 day to catch up, they want every Saturday now. Fuck off. If you are not still following the original schedule then you have already failed.

[Anonymous No.20340840]

Reading the dedicatory to Conde de Lemos. where has the mecenas figure gone? It's not for lack of wealthy people. Don't they like art anymore?

[Anonymous No.20340851]

>>20340743
i still am struggling to comprehend how people that actively post on a forum dedicated to literature do not manage to read at most 40 pages a day. and even if you do not have time to read for one day, that shouldn't matter either. you can easily read 100 pages a day in DQ, it's a really easy and comfy read.
And the schedule was out there for a month or so before it started, so everybody knew what they were getting themselves into.
A bunch of whiny babies

[Anonymous No.20341499]

Today I finished Part I and first chapter of part II. First 8chapters is like 50 pages at most so I think I will read it in those 2 hours and still go to sleep at like 1AM

[Anonymous No.20341777]

>>20340743
this
>>20340851
and this.

[Anonymous No.20341790]

Bros, which do you prefer, Picasso?

[Anonymous No.20341793]

>>20341790
...Or Dali?

[Anonymous No.20341966]

has /lit/ done other read-alongs such as these?
not quite a regular, but i'd like to participate

[Anonymous No.20341988]

>>20341790
>>20341793
Definitely Picasso. very cool. I am going to copy it right now and ad it to my8tp4s doodle repertoire.

[Anonymous No.20342058]

>>20341988

[Anonymous No.20342131]

>>20341793
always dali

[Anonymous No.20343023]

>>20341777
post like it's old schedule then. it's 4chan, you can do what you like. fuck them plebs in their stupid asses

[Anonymous No.20343125]

>translation
Well I suppose it's a sight better than not reading it at all.

[Anonymous No.20343994]

bumping

[Anonymous No.20344098]

>>20342058
Should be the pic for the next thread

[Anonymous No.20344156]

>>20342058
lovely

[Anonymous No.20344161]

I always miss these.

[Anonymous No.20344748]

>>20343125
If people can enjoy translated Faust, Illiad or Divine Comedy, then they can definitely enjoy Don Quixote.

[Anonymous No.20344807]

Dulcinea garlic breath was my favorite chapter yet.

Surprised to see another knight-errant. I imagine the two squires holding hands and hop-skipping towards the sunrise for some reason.

[Anonymous No.20344949]

Sancho arguing for social uplifting against his wife vision of rigid class structure was fun. he knows more than he lets on.

[Anonymous No.20344959]

>>20341790
Picasso mainly because it is more in line with how i imagine DQ and Sancho (also it is on the cover of my copy)

[Anonymous No.20344965]

just read the chapter where the Knight of the Road is introduced. his squire seems like a strong silent chad

[Anonymous No.20344970]

>>20344949
that chapter was great but I thought it was particularly odd given how out of character it made Sancho seem. he didn't appear to be a simpleton at all and quite eloquently was getting his based point across

[Anonymous No.20344996]

>>20344970
Don Quixote switching from lucidity moments to absolute craziness when the subject is knight errantry is a constant theme. Sancho is indeed a simpleton just like his boss is crazy, but he knows what's best for him nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.20345473]

Ok entonces todos los "redneck" quieren entender (de hecho lo entienden) el quijote. Pues les tengo una mala noticia, todos ustedes imbéciles creen q leer un libro es solo por transmitir un mensaje, pero la belleza del quijote está en sus sonidos y como suena también en español, nunca podrán apreciar los muchos dichos de Sancho porque no hay traducción.

[Anonymous No.20345501]

https://youtu.be/46nIvrK4pSg

Read while you listen this, it's a crear disc about quixote

[Anonymous No.20346857]

>>20341793
>>20341790
My book has drawing like these

[Anonymous No.20346869]

>>20346857
very interesting desu

[Anonymous No.20346991]

>>20346857
post more ples

[Anonymous No.20346994]

>>20346869

[Anonymous No.20347084]

>>20345473
>q leer
>q
Te perdono. Todos somos hijos de Dios.

[Anonymous No.20347433]

>>20346994
Its a dore?

[Anonymous No.20348910]

>>20346994
That looks so fucking good.

[Anonymous No.20348923]

>>20344970
In my edition it says that it's not clear if that is a fake or real chapter because of how Sancho speaks. But maybe it was just Cervantes being to lazy to make Sancho speak like he always does.

[Anonymous No.20349909]

>>20348923
that's a narrative technique, invented by Cervantes. even the narrator is surprised by Sancho's actions to the point he starts doubting himself "Did this really happen?". Now, the idea that Sancho might not be as simpleminded as we thought is implanted in the reader's mind.
Cervantes is considered the inventor of the modern novel because he created all these techniques that became omnipresent in narration.

[Anonymous No.20350094]

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PvCGu2Ue0U

[Anonymous No.20350504]

>>20348923
>maybe it was just Cervantes being to lazy to make Sancho speak like he always does.
idk why you would read a classic novel just to assume the writer was a lazy pseud. Seems to say more about yourself than the work itself.

[Anonymous No.20350797]

Something needs to be done about these god forsaken enchanters

[Anonymous No.20350950]

>>20350797
are enchanters the ultimate cope?

[Anonymous No.20351037]

starting to get a little bored. Maybe its becuase its a translation but the language isn't keeping me focus'd. everyone is unnecessarily loquacious even about the most mundane shit. Perhaps I will just start skimming the paragraphs and pages that annoy me. it has to be the translation, but the dialogue is just ass a lot of the time, everything with DQ and sancho is great, its the side characters that bug me.

[Anonymous No.20351127]

>>20350950
yes and its hilarious. if anyone calls you out on it fight them in single combat

[Anonymous No.20351304]

>>20351037
the language they use is the best part of the novel, it reads like a poem in prose form for 900 pages, but I guess an english translation struggles with getting that feeling across.
the way they talk reminds me of Deadwood, it should be appreciated and enjoyed.

[Anonymous No.20351561]

>>20350504
It's not so much a matter of being lazy as Cervantes wanting to get certain points across and putting them in his characters' mouths. This was something that was much more acceptable then than it is now, he does it a fair amount though and he often makes sure to have someone comment on how wise his reflections are. And also Sancho is definitely portrayed as having a certain degree of common sense and cunning despite playing a clownish role in many scenarios. The characters are inconsistent because they're not really supposed to have perfect verisimilitude, it's about getting across the larger point of the book. At the time, in a satirical Picaresque novel, I don't think readers would have expected characters to be consistent because it was understood that the episodes and, in the case of Quixote, the overall concept, are prioritized over immersion or dramatic unity.

[Anonymous No.20351969]

I assume Knight romance has lot to do with oral history of epic poems - Quixote story was first told orally, then written down by this arab writer forget how its called. Then actual book you are reading is just translation of original work from Arabic into Spanish. In that way Cervantes then can comment on Sancho being weirdly wise in some chapter and say it is apocryphical - he is just translator and knows as much as reader, and original Arabic writer role was of historician - to describe exactly how their adventure happened without making anything more glorious than it is... Etc. In that way when Sancho says something much wiser than usually or when Quixote gets unusually brave - you can treat it as Cervantes commentary on myth making. As lot of those romance stories was in fact based on historical people, but it does not change the fact, that many adventures of those heroes written down on paper never happened, it just made those heroes much more superhero than they were in reality. Cervantes teaches you cannot believe everything that is written down, nothing is absolute source of truth because it's just recollection, translation etc

[Anonymous No.20351987]

>>20341793
Dore

[Anonymous No.20351997]

>>20347433
Its from new polish translation of book, it came out 8 years ago

[Anonymous No.20352008]

>>20351987
how was he so talented at engraving bros?

[Anonymous No.20352012]

>>20351987
i bought a dore illustrations book as a companion for the book and it is quite comfy

[Anonymous No.20352132]

>>20351969
>Cervantes teaches you cannot believe everything that is written down, nothing is absolute source of truth because it's just recollection, translation etc
many are still learning this the hard way. The average person is engaging more than ever with the written word via the internet but many clearly do not have the facilities to discern the credibility of what they read; hence fake news. Quixote as the modernday /pol/ keyboard warior

[Anonymous No.20352373]

Chapter in which Sancho talks with helper of Forrest Knight - how in your version is translated dialog where Sancho thinks guy calls his daughter whore? Is this chapter also vulgar in your version, is there "fuck" used or something?

[Anonymous No.20352454]

>>20352373
The Grossman translation uses "whoreson" there.

[Anonymous No.20352680]

>>20351561
I think it should also be noted that it's not unbelievable that people are fluid and will be self contradictory as they live out their lives. Many low tier novels keep their characters extremely one dimensional, but obviously people can change at a whim.

[Anonymous No.20353376]

>>20352680
I probably wouldn't have blinked an eye had cervantes not tipped me off

[Anonymous No.20354165]

it's unbelievable how anons in this thread get filtered by fucking Don Quixote. what the fuckk are you plebs doing here if you can't even enjoy this book?

[Anonymous No.20355269]

>10

[Anonymous No.20355476]

>>20354165
Calm down, it's a boring old overhyped repetetive book. If you love it so much you should be happy people are making an effort to read it at all. How about instead of being a negative Nancy you engage with the few people here who are enjoying and discussing the book.

[Anonymous No.20355524]

>>20355476
>>20354165
ITS LE HONORED CRADLE OF CIVILIZATION AND NOBILITY CHIVALRIC BATMAN BERSERK fuckin Garfield pipestrip of the 1600s cmon nigga

[Anonymous No.20356838]

don quixote is my dad

[Anonymous No.20357035]

Testcan finally post again after a 3 day ban.

I am still on the original schedule and have kept up to date daily. The book makes me wish I was alive back then, I love how on their adventures they get so comfortable with strangers, and even share food and beds and such. I wish people were still like that today.

[Anonymous No.20357210]

>>20356838
sancho pansa es literally me

[Anonymous No.20357284]

I want a qt gf like Luscinda...

[Anonymous No.20357528]

>>20357284
for me, it's Zoraida

[Anonymous No.20357720]

>>20357035
are you Nabokov anon? was about to look those up and start posting them myself

[Anonymous No.20358406]

Anons, I read 100 pages and glad I did but I ran out of juice to continue. I felt like I “got” the whole story, that it was over, just like reading 50 pages of Catch-22 until I felt like I had read that whole book too.

What am I missing after 100 pages? Is it just more tomfoolery and giggle goosing, wrapped in a heroic blanket? Sell me on the Don

[Anonymous No.20358422]

>>20358406
>reading 50 pages of Catch-22 until I felt like I had read that whole book too.
you didn't

[Anonymous No.20358518]

>>20357720
Nope, wonder why he stopped.

[Anonymous No.20358656]

>>20358406
>only reading the first 50 pages of Catch-22 and the first 100 of Don Quixote.
NGMI

[Anonymous No.20358667]

>>20355476
i do but if you really think it is boring and repetitive you either haven't read it or are retarded

[Anonymous No.20358679]

>>20358406
i hate you people so much. go back to rebbit and read harry potter or something you adhd faggots.
oh, the iliad is Just war, moby dick is just whaling, brothers K is just talking....
stupid fucking retarded loser, this just shows me that most of you here really don't read at all

[Anonymous No.20358852]

How do I read 400 pages in 2 days?

[Anonymous No.20359048]

I wonder if ending will be really heartbreaking like moby dick ending for example.
Maybe Kichote will finally succeed morally, and reader will cry how biggest moron everyone hates can do beautiful things?

[Anonymous No.20359077]

Any of you want to do Gargantua and Pantagruel readalong later this year?

[Anonymous No.20359150]

>>20359077
Just the first two? I'd be down for that.

[Anonymous No.20359355]

>>20358406
top tier bait, 9/10

[Anonymous No.20360253]

>>20358852
Do 120 pages and 80 from an audiobook.

[Anonymous No.20360396]

>>20357720
please do post them anon

[Anonymous No.20360466]

>>20359077
I'm for it.

[Anonymous No.20361072]

>>20359077
interested.

[Anonymous No.20361177]

>>20359150
Are there more than 2 parts?

[Anonymous No.20362274]

>>20361177
5 i think
>>20360396
not nobakov anon but I found the lecture book online but won't be able to review until about 20 hrs from now. It doesn't seem quite arranged strictly chronologically but I am dehydrated and need to sleep so...

[Anonymous No.20362533]

I was just reading a Dostoyevsky letter on the perfect person, most Christ like, and he says that it's done quixote, but comic, and Pickwick papers.

[Anonymous No.20362667]

>>20359077
better do another classic like anna karenina or brothers k so that as many anons as possible participate

[Anonymous No.20363865]

>>20336937
Yes, though I have 20 chapters to catch up

[Anonymous No.20363893]

>>20359077
Yep I'm in. Bought it recently

[Anonymous No.20363901]

I'm so far behind bros. I took a break after part I and haven't started part II yet

[Anonymous No.20365182]

>>20363901
you better have been having adventures, saving maidens ect. instead of reading.

[Anonymous No.20365216]

The weekend is coming up. Cancel your planned degenerate affairs and read for 8 hours each day.

[Anonymous No.20365488]

lmao that chapter where DQ absolutely wrecks the puppetmaster's stage during the play because he thinks all the puppets are real made me kek so hard

[Anonymous No.20366323]

>>20365488
i got the impression that he was somewhat bored with the direction of the play and decided to intervene for his sanity. Maybe a coy tip of the hat to everyone's least favorite cuck tale from part 1

[Anonymous No.20366555]

>>20366323
My impression was that he ended up getting so enthralled by the story that it essentially became real to him, much like his books of chivalry and knight errantry.

[Anonymous No.20367372]

I hope Dorotea, Fernando, Luscinda or Cardenio come back at some point...

[Anonymous No.20367576]

Not a big fan of part II so far the. Its not as funny, no scatological humor, less moronic decisions more commentary by characters, which is more odd than funny, for example Sancho knowing details of some romance books, is it likely he would read those? Or Quixote long winded monologues about love for example - not funny, I understand its for contrast - Quixote is supposed to be smart when he is not being mad, but I don't share characters opinions of those monologues (that Quixote is so smart based on it)

[Anonymous No.20367599]

>>20367576
filtered

[Anonymous No.20368166]

>>20367576
>Sancho knowing details of some romance books
im pretty sure he is just repeating things Quixote has told him, probably somewhat poorly.
>>20366555
checked, but i feel it's only appropriate to interpret Don Quixote unconventionally, as that's what Don Quixote himself does

[Anonymous No.20368227]

I just got back from Spain where I went on holiday. Sadly I couldn't take my copy of Don Quixote with me and I didn't install it to my kindle so I've not been able to read with you guys the last 10 days or so. I will keep on reading but I will be late. I will be with you in spirit lads.

[Anonymous No.20368252]

>>20368227
just comment on whatever part you are at. keep the threads alive for other late anons.

[Anonymous No.20368272]

I'm so far behind lads, I haven't even started part 2. I just got distracted by aubery-Martin books! I'll never make the ground now

[Anonymous No.20368624]

>>20368272
keep going bro. lots of people are behind and still contributing so you'll be fine

[Anonymous No.20368698]

My cat is basically Don Quixote

[Anonymous No.20370247]

Does anyone else feel like they aren't understanding as much of the subtext as they should?

[Anonymous No.20371020]

>>20370247
Part II has been pretty easy for me desu

[Anonymous No.20371141]

>>20371020
It's been fairly easy for me too, and that's the problem, I feel like I'm missing some of the more subtle social commentary or something like that. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but whenever I read classic works of literature I always end up worrying that I might not have understood the true meaning of the book.

[Anonymous No.20371993]

>>20365488
Which chapter is that again?

[Anonymous No.20372220]

>>20371993
part 2, chapter 26

[Anonymous No.20372574]

>>20370247
the subtext seems generally about fantasy vs reality, fiction vs history, sanity vs insanity, cruelty vs mercy

[Anonymous No.20373921]

I have been up to date all the way to chapter 24 of part 2, then work and family got in the way but today I read from chapter 24 to chapter 40, back on track lads.

[Anonymous No.20375253]

There's a part where DQ slams academics for obsessing over books of the past and ignoring modernity, and it made me think how few modern novels I've read. Any modern authors you guys recommend after I'm done with DQ?

[Anonymous No.20375263]

Went to the Don Quijote museum in Guanajuato. Anyone who loves DQ should visit one day. It is truly beautiful

[Anonymous No.20375279]

>>20375263
I'll keep posting. I'm not a shill, I just loved it and I hope someone else will be as moved as I was

[Anonymous No.20375283]

>>20375279
Guanajuato is full of tributes to Cervantes. I fell in love with that city

[Anonymous No.20375287]

>>20375283

[Anonymous No.20375290]

>>20375287

[Anonymous No.20375308]

>>20375290
This is awesome, I didn't even realise it existed. Did they have Dore?

[Anonymous No.20375319]

>>20375290
Sorry for the bad quality. Im bad at taking photos

[Anonymous No.20375325]

>>20375308
What do you mean by Dore?

[Anonymous No.20375330]

>>20375325

[Anonymous No.20375349]

>>20375330
I have some statue pictures but they are to big to upload :/
If you go on google maps you will be able to see them. They are huge and beautiful

[Anonymous No.20375360]

>>20375349
This was taken in the "chapel"
I wont lie. I teared up when I saw the apotheosis of DQ

[Anonymous No.20375370]

>>20375360

[Anonymous No.20375394]

>>20375370
I have a couple more pictures but I think I have posted enough. I apologize to OP. I do wish for it to seem that I am blogging in this thread, I just want to share my excitement.
One hears how books such as DQ touch and changes people's lifes, but rarely do we see it.
DQ is truly special and I hope everyone enjoys this great book as much as I have

[Anonymous No.20375878]

>>20375349
The one at the entrance and the Cervantes one that it's near of that are kino

[Anonymous No.20376014]

>>20375394
No need to apologise, you have made this thread 10 times better. Those pictures are beautiful and now I want to visit that museum. Thanks for sharing anon.

[Anonymous No.20376025]

>>20330530
I don't think Garcia Marquez was thinking about Tolkien, much less on thrashing, when he was writing "magic realism".

[Anonymous No.20376264]

>>20376025
he probably wasn't, but he was writing Tolkien properly. or in a literary way.

[Anonymous No.20376901]

>>20375878
They sure are, but they the files are too big to upload. My favorite is still the one at the little plaza with DQ and Sancho. From what I saw in google maps I thought they would at most be life size. No, the really went all out. I just hope one day I can go back during the time of the Cervantine festival

[Anonymous No.20377955]

To the OP of this thread, how would you be interested in coordinating a Ulysses read-along after this one's over? Check this thread out and maybe we can work something out.
>>20376747
Thanks

[Anonymous No.20377967]

>>20377955
Please anything but the big 3 meme books. No uylesses, no gravity's cuckbow and no infinite meme

[Anonymous No.20377969]

>>20375253
I really liked a recent George B Shaw binge i did with Don Juan in Hell
After I do Vol 2 of DQ Im doin
Catch 22
Crying Lot of 49

[Anonymous No.20378496]

>>20375394
these pics are all brilliant. good addition to the thread. will visit next time im in Mexico

[Anonymous No.20379008]

>>20377955
I'm not original OP but I made this edition of the thread because no one made the next one. Apparently these threads rarely, if ever, make it to the end of book and that scheduling reading by chapter was a somewhat 'novel' addition. Despite some hiccups and controversy, I think it was essential to us getting this far, although many anons are complaining of being behind. Thus, discussion has been more sporadic than it was at the start of novel. For experiments sake, and because Ulysses is notoriously obtuse, a chapter a week might work. Someone better be bumping tho. There was an anon posting excerpts from Nabokov's Harvard lectures on DQ which were good fuel for discussion. Find a decent source that explains the allusions to help anons along.
I actually finished DQ just shortly before this read along began and have been just following along with the discussion. I just finished reading 'The Golden Bowl' by Henry James this morning so i suppose Ulysses is the natural next modernist stone to step to...

[Anonymous No.20379176]

>>20377969
I've read those two, I particularly love the crying of lot 49. Pynchon characters definitely feel a lot like DQ ones.

[Anonymous No.20379234]

>>20379008
I am behind now, but the chapter schedule absolutely helped me get going. I think it's a great addition. Was keeping up until part 2

[Anonymous No.20379437]

I find as part 2 goes on, DQs deeds become that much more believable and genuinely valiant, I really believe he's going to make it. His deeds at the wedding for example, and events such as the cave - even though Cervantes said it's apocryphal - are so convincingly told that maybe, just maybe, there are enchanters in play.

[Anonymous No.20379587]

>>20379437
Cervantes is a dirty moor enchanter

[Anonymous No.20380442]

Quixote bros they are laughing at us...

[Anonymous No.20381451]

>>20380442
which? where? by the tenants of Knight errantry and chivalry we must defend ours and Dulcinea's honor

[Anonymous No.20382128]

Chad NEET here, only a few pages left.

[Anonymous No.20383133]

>>20379437
>events such as the cave
he didn't actually do anything at the cave

[Anonymous No.20383141]

>>20380442
they are enchanters

[Anonymous No.20383180]

The advices Quixote gives to Sancho are not that bad and actually reasonable

[Anonymous No.20384037]

>>20383180
wait til they fuck