/lit/ is so unread in poetry that one of the common complaints against modern poetry is its lack of rhyme, despite the foundational works of poetry in the Western canon, The Odyssey and the Iliad, were written without rhyme.

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Anonymous Mon May 2 12:54:43 2022 No.20311683 [Reply] [Original]

/lit/ is so unread in poetry that one of the common complaints against modern poetry is its lack of rhyme, despite the foundational works of poetry in the Western canon, The Odyssey and the Iliad, were written without rhyme.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 13:22:56 2022 No.20311787 >>20311683 Because people like rhyming poetry.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 13:23:05 2022 No.20311790 >>20311683 It isn’t the “lack of rhyme” It’s the lack of rhyme, metric, substance, theme, everything

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 15:08:05 2022 No.20312235 >>20311787 Rhyming's corny

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 15:13:12 2022 No.20312257 >>20311790 >metric There is no such thing as metreless poetry

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:54:17 2022 No.20313645 >>20311787 People also like marvel movies and junk food.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 20:15:01 2022 No.20313737 >>20312235 not all that bad (i'm horny)

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 20:16:36 2022 No.20313750 >>20311683 what should people who think that read? what book could convince them poetry without rhyme is good?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 21:16:27 2022 No.20313989 >>20313750 The Odyssey and The Iliad I guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 21:23:01 2022 No.20314020 >>20311683 I don’t like modern poetry because maybe in autistic and can’t feel the rhythm.

Anonymous Mon May 2 21:34:42 2022 No.20314080

>>20311683
poetry is overrated in my opinion (not counting epic poems and zen poetry)
Its far too easy for some upper class asshole to reference a million “cultural” things and everyone who already knows those things gets a nerd-boner remembering how great those things are
modern poetry is defacto for women and people who don’t read so it just hits on universal experiences.

I’m open to being wrong on this

Anonymous Mon May 2 21:39:17 2022 No.20314090

>>20312257
Don't pretend you're so intelligent for saying this. The vast majority of contemporary free verse poetry lacks any kind of intentionality or purpose in its meter, and that is a real problem.
>but you can still scan it!
How about you scan my dick.

Anonymous Mon May 2 21:58:14 2022 No.20314158

>>20314090
I don't think I'm particularly intelligent for saying there's no such thing as metreless poetry, I just think you are particularly stupid for believing that modern poetry lacks metre, substance or themes.
Just because it's in a metre you don't like or has themes you don't like doesn't mean they're not there.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 21:58:42 2022 No.20314160 >>20314080 >I’m open to being wrong on this you're wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 22:16:54 2022 No.20314212 >>20314160 recommend some poetry i’ve read zen poem collections, illiad, odyssey, and a bit of byron (that went over my head) and whatever garbage teach in american schools preferably stuff from non-anglos

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 22:36:09 2022 No.20314274 >>20314212 You want poetry translated to English?

Anonymous Tue May 3 00:26:50 2022 No.20314586

>>20314158
>you are particularly stupid for believing that modern poetry lacks metre,
Read more carefully. I didn't say contemporary poetry doesn't have meter, but that contemporary poets ignore their meter and have no sense of rhythm. If you scan any poem published in a reputable venue from the last 40 years and compare it to the scansion of prose there is no discernible difference. Poets who entirely ignore two of the foundational elements of poetry (meter and rhythm) are poor poets. The new formalist movement is an exception, and I enjoy many contemporary poets in that area.
>substance or themes.
I did not comment on either of these things. Kindly take your medicine.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 00:27:39 2022 No.20314587 what makes non-rhyming poetry, poetry? as opposed to something else

Anonymous Tue May 3 00:29:52 2022 No.20314594

>>20314080
Yes you can fake it.
But real recognizes real, and unfortunately in the modern poetry world there are so much subtle implications it's hard to tell apart real and fake. On the other hand, if you do find real you will be handsomely rewarded, because our subtility as writers is growing by the year.

Anonymous Tue May 3 00:31:48 2022 No.20314600

>>20314586
Yeah they expect you to dive deeply into their world, where the words have an internal rhythm that fit to them.
At times I feel modern poets let themselves indulge too much in a world, and don't consider the realities around them - but that's, I suppose, quite normal for poets.

Anonymous Tue May 3 00:36:44 2022 No.20314607

>>20314587
I don't like to think of it as poetry, but rather wordsmithing.
Hmmmmm
Ok, look at it like that. Any text you ever wrote, is a logical structure, which your brain reads and associates to meaning(s). You can make simple structure, complex ones, and you can play around and break the words
Like
So.
So poetry, poetry, it is the art of making very delicate, precious creations. Today, as the world grows more fractured and more introspective, the creations poets make can turn inward, and it's hard to see the meaning from outside.
Not to worry, eh? As the Israelis say, just look at the picture. Don't dig too deep, and if you don't like it, try a different one, till you find something that clicks.

Anonymous Tue May 3 01:03:34 2022 No.20314663

It’s embarrassing to get on a poetry thread here and see people posting their faux-victorian or romantic poetry with a cheesy rhyme scheme that was done already better 200 years sooner. I’m not saying don’t rhyme, but defending one particular type of poem—especially when it’s been depleted for decades—reflects an underread, underdeveloped aesthetic sensibility.

>>20314587
Basically, if >>20314607 had said that his post was a poem, we could then read it as a poem. It wouldn’t be very good, as it has little music or much in the way formally, language-wise, thematically, etc. that make it interesting.

Some people get very uncomfortable with the idea that if someone says “X is a poem” (or if that’s the general consensus) then it is one, but I see it as a liberating way of coming to a work. As someone else wrote here, real recognize real: good poets can still deploy poetic techniques or create new ones.

I’ve recently seen more discussion about how you know how to recognize a poem. The popular consensus comes back to language, but poets have been experimenting with language-less poems for years now: utilizing sound, images, non lettered type, etc. Looking at that post again, why not include the ID string “Anonymous 05/02/22(Mon)…” in it as part of the hypothetical poem? Again, these issues of what were once non-poetic seem particularly enthralling to me.

Anonymous Tue May 3 01:06:52 2022 No.20314669
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Is the Comedy the only epic poem that rhymes? Homer's poems don't, the Aeneid doesn't, Paradise Lost doesn't. I don't think Orlando Furioso rhymes. I don't think Faust rhymes either.

Anonymous Tue May 3 01:47:12 2022 No.20314765

>>20314663
On another note, I've recently been thinking a lot about coding and math.
Math seems to be the language of birds - you abstract the world away so you can look at it in whatever way you want, while coding is the language of the stone, the rules.
Do you have a good poem in mind that plays on those two elements - abstracting the world, and the rule sets? Something that goes both deep and light. If you can, Hopefully, not one after the 1970s - I find it hard to twist my mind around these later periods, but I'll try.
I found Kafka, for example, very Stony, while aching with compassion. The man and the gate is the way I think about man standing before the world. And as for flight, I can't seem to find an example. Honestly, the only image I get is a starting scene from genshin impact.

Anonymous Tue May 3 02:02:36 2022 No.20314791

Hey everyone, what do you think of this? :

_

I flutter in tornadoes, and feel quite delighted
I smash dust, and air, and am quite content
Hit me, brother, fly me again,
for I am a monster, a monster in pain.

I flutter in pain, so does it seem - the pain where the echoes, they tumble through vain -
And if I was gay, and if I were bright - and If i were yellow, and i were right?
right.
a bird echoes bright - and the world reappears, and so does delight. and so does, a slight ickyness, a slight curl, around the back of the neck and the chest, the inner frontal regions, right there, a slight twist of t

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 02:10:59 2022 No.20314810 >>20314663 yeah I definitely agree. I used to send my mom pictures of poems here, and the aesthetic value of having Anonymous on the top left is quite good.

Anonymous Tue May 3 02:13:11 2022 No.20314815
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Oh shit, i'm gonna say it.

>Contemporary poetry (60's to now) is much better than anything before

If you disagree then you're a poetry pleb.

Inb4 that fucking nerd that only reads Shelley and supplements the rest with MF Doom lyrics.

Anonymous Tue May 3 02:16:09 2022 No.20314823

>>20314815
give examples you like?

There are some original poetry that's hard to beat, eh -
Behey ala gözlü dilber
Vaktin geçer demedim mi
Harami olmuş gözlerin
Beller keser demedim mi

general translation (copied, i can't speak it):

O belle with hazel eyes
didn’t I tell you that your time would pass
didn’t I tell you that your eyes are like bandits
that hold a mountain pass

gimme your best fight for a better poem

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 02:17:35 2022 No.20314829 >>20314823 you can hear it in a modern enviornment here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVyTLx2e_tQ wicked beat.

Anonymous Tue May 3 02:23:48 2022 No.20314842

>>20314823
Sure.

Kenneth Koch, Barbara Guest, Sheila Shannon, Sarah Holland-Batt, James Tate, Frank O'Hara, Petrit Halilaj (He's the Eric Andre of poetry, whatever that means to you), William Carlos Williams and let's say Eileen Myles. That's just off the top of my head, lmk if you want more recs. I'll check the poem you posted now.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 02:26:55 2022 No.20314846 File: 182 KB, 1400x2154, 31.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20314823 >Your eyes are like bandits That really is quite nice. Something that can beat that, i'll have a think. Maybe this? Although it is quite prosaic.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 02:30:46 2022 No.20314852 File: 97 KB, 1600x1200, achilles.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20314815 Counterpoint: there is no other type of poetry that can match the epics, and there has been no meaningful epic poetry written in the past few decades.

Anonymous Tue May 3 02:36:39 2022 No.20314865
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It was a lover and his lass,
With a hey, and a ho, and a hey nonino,
That o’er the green cornfield did pass,
In springtime, the only pretty ring time,
When birds do sing, hey ding a ding, ding;
Sweet lovers love the spring.

Between the acres of the rye,
With a hey, and a ho, and a hey nonino,
Those pretty country folks would lie,
In springtime, the only pretty ring time,
When birds do sing, hey ding a ding, ding;
Sweet lovers love the spring.

This carol they began that hour,
With a hey, and a ho, and a hey nonino,
How that a life was but a flower
In springtime, the only pretty ring time,
When birds do sing, hey ding a ding, ding;
Sweet lovers love the spring.

And therefore take the present time,
With a hey, and a ho, and a hey nonino,
For love is crownèd with the prime
In springtime, the only pretty ring time,
When birds do sing, hey ding a ding, ding;
Sweet lovers love the spring.

Anonymous Tue May 3 02:36:43 2022 No.20314866

>>20314765
Honestly, I’m not entirely certain if I follow the link from the birds to math and “the language of the stone” to coding. I think most people would point you to Mallarme’s work (https://poets.org/poem/throw-dice-excerpt)) which subsequently influenced people like John Cage to use chance operations and certainly the Oulipo (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=41050)) which has poet-mathematicians operating in it.

There’s also Wallace Stevens, of course, who is arguably the most philosophical American poet pre 1950 with a great deal of non-chalance and humor (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/51648/anecdote-of-the-jar-56d22f87dc64f).). And I’m fond of Elizabeth Bishop too (https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-map/).). These might not be unfamiliar.

There’s lots of great post 1970s work. P. Inman is one that I like, but he’s difficult. His work can look like code: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54724/lacey

Anonymous Tue May 3 03:01:18 2022 No.20314925

>>20314866
wonderful, I'll give it all a look.
I remember the music program gave me a task to write about john cage and I really liked that, his music was entrancing, so i think you and I are pointing in the same direction.
I suppose to explain the link better i'll have to first know what stone, iron, and the nazis, the soviets, and the thinking machine is for you. that's was my spontaneous chain of causation.

Anonymous Tue May 3 03:08:10 2022 No.20314939
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When the green woods laugh with the voice of joy
And the dimpling stream runs laughing by
When the air does laugh with our merry wit
And the green hill laughs with the noise of it

When the meadows laugh with lively green
And the grasshopper laughs in the merry scene
When Mary and Susan and Emily
With their sweet round mouths sing "Ha, ha he!"

When the painted birds laugh in the shade
Where our table with cherries and nuts is spread
Come live, and be merry, and join with me
To sing the sweet chorus of "Ha, ha, he!"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 03:08:28 2022 No.20314941 >>20314815 http://www.mottodistribution.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/of-course-blue-affects-my-way-of-shitting.-Petrit-Halilaj-motto5.jpg u know what man i bow down. this is fucking amazing

Anonymous Tue May 3 03:23:40 2022 No.20314990

>>20314939
sweet fellow - with your eyes wide open,
join us in our chat
for the world is clear and the road is bright,
and life will be alright

We might sound quite weird and be quite the fright
but wait, there's a light -
if you think quite right and you move just like
you will understand us all.

hey, hey, foreign man, from distances uncounted -
hey, hey, foreign man, sit and show your heart.
we'll dance, dance, dance, till the evening sun has left -
and the night will come, and the mead will shine, and we'll be, quite, right.

and ....

_

after many years -

and the sun has left.

we will tell you, how we looked.

we did not quite fit and was not quite lit,
but it was, for now, alright.
HWVA8

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 03:32:41 2022 No.20315014 GUITAR HIT SHEKEL HAZAK VEBALI LIZMOACH BONE MIGDALIM BAMIDBAR NOSEA HALILIA LIVNOT ET HAIR CHOSEV RAK AL HAAAAATTTTIIIDDDDDD

Anonymous Tue May 3 03:36:51 2022 No.20315028

>>20311683
I dislike reading poetry even though I write it occasionally. If someone wants me to know how they feel write a book, not some short words with meaningless limitations like haikus or sonnet's. I will also accept non rhyming poems.

With all of my strong views on poetry i have probably read less than 20 poems in my life.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 09:51:54 2022 No.20316032 >>20314941 I'm so glad you think so. I think he's one of the best poets alive and I've been pestering him to do another release. His visual art is quite good, but his poetry is something else.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 09:56:09 2022 No.20316047 >>20315028 Lol thanks for being honest at least.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:41:21 2022 No.20316619 >>20313645 Don't pretend like you haven't enjoyed both those things at one point

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:42:40 2022 No.20316624 >>20312257 You ever listened to MF DOOM?

Anonymous Tue May 3 15:06:04 2022 No.20317151

>>20315028
You should read more shorter tales then. Read short stories, try some two-page riddles, etc... It's all about packing extra Information to the smallest possible package, or making efficient use of the space.
The change of one word can be as loud as a bomb, if you listen closely enough.

>>20316624
yo, yo it's me right here -
Mc making a shrill right veer
And I'm up - rather in the manic,
Shill making sea smell tragic
Beer.
And acid - pussy tastes
Drastic funk turns addicts in
Nasty bunks. Never shoulda trust her
If i do believe I do see she is the viper
And ready, strike, life just stuts.,
Russian goes tsk while German gets
Manic - fuck!
Never shoulda met her.
If I'm a fucking man I should have fucking,,,
Cop her,,,, say what?
Sorry, this line is fat and the context pretty flat
You gotta get high if you wanna play with facts
And relax, I really plan a kissa, I'll make her sweet like
Sweat in sweaters, funk, yeah
Know where I am?
I'm mother fucking mc playing around.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 16:10:04 2022 No.20317398 >>20316624 Yes. Doom actually has the strongest sense of meter and the strongest prosody of any writer in the last two decades.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 16:26:48 2022 No.20317466 File: 75 KB, 557x834, black-cat-bone-john-burnside.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Pic related was pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 16:32:04 2022 No.20317479 File: 28 KB, 273x352, Astronautilia.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20314852 Counterpoint:

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 16:33:07 2022 No.20317483 >>20314586 >contemporary poets ignore their meter and have no sense of rhythm What about Alice Oswald, in particular Tithonus?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 16:33:13 2022 No.20317484 >>20316619 of course I have, though admittedly I've only seen one marvel movie, but superhero movies in general, yes I like them. What I'm saying is that just because people like something doesn't mean it's the apex of its medium.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 16:38:52 2022 No.20317509 >>20311790 /thread

Anonymous Tue May 3 16:41:37 2022 No.20317515

>>20311683
>lack of rhyme
have you even read "old poetry"
rhyme is the most jarring and unapologetically out of place thing in most poems back in the day
you're saying everyone back then used to be like shakespeare when in reality people were just as bad at writing poetry. most people are bad at writing things in general.
rhyme, classical themes. when you've read thousands of poems that shit is boring. most modern "poets" are hacks anyways, but modern or contemporary poetry is not necessarily bad because it doesn't rhyme (often).

Anonymous Tue May 3 20:05:52 2022 No.20318107

Rhyming is stupid and shitty unless you know how to pace it.
Most people don't.
Get with the times,
Of course classic poetics is good
Foundational knowledge, but stop pretending it's the epitome.
Just because you dropped out of college.

More than any other sort of writing
It attracts pretentious wannabe-expert nerds.
"You have to read the classics" (Says the bad poet)
"You should only focus on the modernists"(Says the slightly better but still bad poet)
"It doesn't even rhyme" (This is more forgivable, since it's to the midwit what a bray is to the donkey)

Read a lot of poetry, every day, for the rest of your life.
Come back after six years, and you might actually have words worth speaking.
You're all so closeted that you look at a contemporary poem, which is already a gay thing to do by default, and you think
"Hmmm, it's just not gay enough. I'd like to count syllables and have the suffixes matching"

Just admit that you're jealous the Greeks and Romans never shot their cum at you,
Loads you wish that you were catching.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 00:16:53 2022 No.20318803 >>20311683 >The Odyssey and the Iliad, were written without rhyme. both completely unrelated to The Western Canon

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 01:29:08 2022 No.20318990 >>20313737 My wife left me yesterday morny

Anonymous Wed May 4 01:29:48 2022 No.20318993

>>20318107
Mothafucjing mic drop.
Yeah ..
Preach that shit.
Poetry is wide son, it's a art son,
Don't you know, this shit is the crackers,
No matter how you break it you're getting different crumbles
And fuck, I wish I was good.
Compared to the masters I'm a fucking tool,
And a fool, my play so weak, still I try, and wet my feet,
Read different shit every day of the week,
And never quite get it. But somehow getting close.
If I'm a devil then maybe I'm debil, but I wish I could talk.
....
This thread fucking wild, brother. Haven't seen a thread like that in months.
Know what I'm saying?
Like, lemme tell you a personal story kind of thing.
This place makes me feel something else, man.
Yeah.

I fucking love 4chan.
This shit is bonkers
When a thread goes right I'm up to the shutters
And damn, fuck, some clever people here.
People that think, people that feel,
But I'm pissed, you know, cus we ain't taking care.
Fucking cesspot /pol/ ain't containing no more,
And I'm mad, Its bad, you can't fucking talk.
With all this noise I feel I gotta shout.
Fuck.
I wish we were better. I wish I could fucking talk to the janitor,
Hey, man, just pop up In a thread. Ill fuck pop a nigga if he disses ye,
Yeah, shit, cus i wanna have a talk,
Wanna make this place better wanna clean up
Wanna plan, how we doing this right, how we making us a sector where we can talk.
.
...
.
...
Being anon, is the best thing.
And you can't force people here.
I won't, I'll rebel, I'll find someplace else
This is the place to be free, to fly west
Or easy - just hang in a thread.
Soak it all in man I'm feeling this feel,
But wait, here's an idea. If you do like it, just give me a tag, we know what it means,
And if you don't tell me why and we'll have a chat, you feel?
______
So what do you guys say about an MC thread? What goes on is the OP starts the thread with a ## on his name, so people can't copy him, and he is the only one allowed to talk for a while.
People can post and reply, but the idea is that the MC is the one "on the set", he is directing the thread. He can just say whatever on his mind or do a rap duel with someone or stuff like that, and when he's done, he passed the mic to someone else and then that guy becomes the MC, and we will have to figure something out with the tripcodes to make it work.
Because while anonymity is great, I think an experiment in sustained anonymity will be beneficial - I mean, playing a character for more than one post .

This is fucking /lit/! Half of us are story tellers! Yet we limit ourselves to one post at a time, while we could have people at /wg/write a story together or experiment in types of performance. In poetry threads we could wax at each other and write love sonnatas back and forth, you know, or try to talk in the most abstract way possible, or experiment with notation...
There is so much stuff we can do with this image board format, but we need to work on the place and try to install some culture again.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 01:53:17 2022 No.20319057 >>20312257 This nigga never seen the abomination today is feminist slam poetry

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 01:55:05 2022 No.20319061 File: 14 KB, 275x438, Pan_Tadeusz_1834.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20314669 Sir thadeus rhymes It's not very good but it rhymes!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 01:56:24 2022 No.20319064 >>20318993 I wouldn't contribute (I have no lyrical talent) but I'd lurk Be prepared for a flood of replies calling you an uncultured nigger, claiming that this MC shit isn't a true poetic work and telling you to fuck off to /mu/, if you do.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 02:44:51 2022 No.20319199 >>20314669 >I dont think Faust Rhymes either Read it in German. Nearly every verse rhymes with an other

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 02:47:06 2022 No.20319210 File: 30 KB, 600x800, FPcwpqmXIAEYdDE.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20319199 >rhymes Oof. Dr. Seuss much?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 02:54:54 2022 No.20319237 >>20319210 Ihr naht euch wieder, schwankende Gestalten, Die früh sich einst dem trüben Blick gezeigt. Versuch ich wohl, euch diesmal festzuhalten? Fühl ich mein Herz noch jenem Wahn geneigt? Nearly every second verse rhymes with an other

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 03:04:07 2022 No.20319259 >>20319237 oops, I mean that these most verses cross rhyme

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 04:07:52 2022 No.20319405 >>20316619 when I was a child of course...

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 08:00:21 2022 No.20319941 >>20319057 >slam poetry that's literally the most metrically exaggerated form of poetry

Anonymous Wed May 4 10:18:53 2022 No.20320350

>>20312235
its also a restriction designed to force a writer into a maximally creative mode. restrictions are the driving force of creativity. when you remove restrictions the work becomes inherently less interesting. once you remove all restrictions the work becomes meaningless or indistinguishable from any other. the best poem that has good meter, immaculate style and rhymes out shines the best poem that only has good meter and immaculate style. So Id say it is a pretty solid critique. though I wouldnt go as far as to say that poems must rhyme to be good or that all poems that do rhyme are good. thats retarded. but pointing out the lack of rhyme as a reason for why you like a poem less is perfectly legitimate.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 10:39:37 2022 No.20320409 >>20311683 >The Odyssey and the Iliad, were written without rhyme This has to be bait They have a distinct rhythm in greek

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 10:44:17 2022 No.20320420 >>20320409 Rhythm and rhyme are not the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 11:11:41 2022 No.20320518 >>20320409 how you on a board focussed on literature when you cant read?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 14:24:24 2022 No.20321174 >>20320518 many such cases

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 14:48:48 2022 No.20321254 >>20318990 Her name was Sigourney

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 15:57:35 2022 No.20321540 >>20314663 >Looking at that post again, why not include the ID string “Anonymous 05/02/22(Mon)…” in it as part of the hypothetical poem? What post are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 16:02:45 2022 No.20321568 >>20321254 I like her tits

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 16:18:03 2022 No.20321636 >>20314669 Torquato Tasso and Camoes did rhymes. Spenser too, and Voltaire if La Henriade can be calles an Epic.

Anonymous Wed May 4 16:40:32 2022 No.20321723

>>20321540
I referred to a different post in my response, but my point was that contemporary poems often assimilate found objects, data, etc. that are not necessarily bound to words or language. It’s quite common to see a visual poem, one that incorporates numbers or various punctuation, and so on.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 17:29:19 2022 No.20321895 File: 33 KB, 581x212, Screenshot from 2022-05-04 23-57-14.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] case in point.

Anonymous Wed May 4 17:36:22 2022 No.20321917

I love ya guys.

you always were my best friends.

even though i barely know you ...

you'll be strong, yes? and harsh, if you need it.
you'll drive the cars in the right ways, right?
you'll be safe, i feel, and sure, secure.
i do feel you won't be fools. no,
not fools.

maybe crazy. or majnun. maybe a little bit
bonkers. maybe you'll be something else, some
thing new, something to talk about, something
.

I once grew a short tree in the yard of my house -
and as it grew it got tall and as it shrunk it grew wild -
and different, twisted tree. wild, wild, wild tree.
alice ain't never seen this kind of fucking tree.
stuff's rough, and edgy, full of thrones of all kinds,
full of paper, and water, and fire, and wine,
and wax...
but i spoke too fast, for alice is quite the nimble girl
quite the tickle in her upper left leg. quite the sight -
how she navigates, that frightful fright.
and I am scared - and quite compelled -
to stop - her.
and I must watch, and wait, and look, and find,
and feel, and hear, and smell, and rhyme
as she edges each thorn as close to her skin, as she threads each finger through the heel of her shin,
as she moves - without me. without needing me.
i hope she will do fine. quite fine.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:52:54 2022 No.20322188 >>20321917 >I love ya guys. I was thinking this moments ago. kek

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 18:57:47 2022 No.20322203 >>20312257 Shut the fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 19:01:49 2022 No.20322217 >>20320518 Why are you on a board for literature when you can't form a coherent sentence?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 19:04:42 2022 No.20322226 >>20322203 nice trochaic dimeter

Anonymous Wed May 4 19:08:19 2022 No.20322239

>>20311683
>/lit/ is so unread in poetry that one of the common complaints against modern poetry is its lack of rhyme, despite the foundational works of poetry in the Western canon, The Odyssey and the Iliad, were written without rhyme.
But the Odyssey and The Iliad rhyme in places, and neither was written. Basically everything you said was wrong, and you accuse others of ignorance?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 19:27:10 2022 No.20322312 >>20320350 just admit you have no taste for song and rhythm and carry on, you don't need to pretend

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 19:32:47 2022 No.20322337 >>20311683 tell me how to enjoy poetry and I will read it you niggers I tried reading it but I don't see what's so good about it, it just reads like nonsense strung together by phrases that may have some relation to reach other

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 20:41:22 2022 No.20322601 >>20318107 Based beyond belief.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 21:44:14 2022 No.20322885 >>20316624 I'm not too familiar but he seems to handle metre pretty well lol

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 22:15:51 2022 No.20323076 >>20322226 Usually more of a trochee followed by a spondee.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 22:16:37 2022 No.20323080 >>20311683 all anti-modern/contemporary poetry threads are made by tourists.

Anonymous Wed May 4 22:18:28 2022 No.20323094

>>20311683
>/lit/ is so unread in poetry that one of the common complaints against modern poetry is its lack of rhyme
No one does this, people mainly complain about lack of rhythm or metre.
This post sounds like you've just learned this from some intro course or something. Other than that, see >>20323080

>>	Anonymous Wed May 4 22:41:51 2022 No.20323213 >>20322337 Try using your brain next time. Also, read the greats, read Ulysses by Tennyson and see if you like it. If you don't, read it a second time, and keep reading it once every day or so and see if it changes.

Anonymous Thu May 5 01:00:02 2022 No.20323756

guys cool out eh
no need to shout

what do you think about migrating over to endchan or a different board?
4chan is honestly filled with ML copying behavior and auto-learning as well as malicious actors. Trust me, I know the tech world.
In endchan the malicious actors are at least smarter.

Anonymous Thu May 5 01:04:48 2022 No.20323779

>>20322337
let your mind be freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
think of kanye when you think of meeeeeeeeeee
meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
think of all the language in your head, all the things you never said
just be freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
let the words fly freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
don't give them rules or laws and order
or shapes to be or things to follow
just ask them what they want to be and
try to listen as closely.
it takes quite much time and spit -
but effort, yes, it'll get you far,
like everything in life, no buts,
you can train it if you want.

-

poetry is a highly specific language, one composed mainly of associations, this days.
listen closely to words and think what they mean to you, what they feel like to you.
read a lot of different stuff - read the zen masters,
read the bible, read the koran -
and try to think why those texts are so famous,
why those texts worked. Why does one sentence sound bad
and the other sounds odd,
and this one sounds just, quite, the thing you were looking for.

and don't mind the way im typing, just think of it like a conversation we're having.

catch ya on the flip side, brother.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 03:07:21 2022 No.20324101 >>20323779 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_Author

Anonymous Thu May 5 03:33:20 2022 No.20324163
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Boswell on Johnson
>He enlarged very convincingly upon the excellence of rhyme over blank verse in English poetry. I mentioned to him that Dr. Adam Smith, in his lectures upon composition, when I studied under him in the College of Glasgow, had maintained the same opinion strenuously, and I repeated some of his arguments
Johnson
>"Sir, I was once in company with Smith, and we did not take to each other; but had I known that he loved rhyme as much as you tell me he does, I should have HUGGED him.

re: their not taking to each other
Walter Scott on Smith and Johnson's meeting:
>At Glasgow Johnson had a meeting with Smith, which terminated strangely... Smith, obviously much disappointed, came into a party who were playing at cards. Smith's appearance suspended the amusement, for as all knew he was about to meet Johnson that evening, every one was curious to hear what had passed. Adam Smith, whose temper seemed much ruffled, answered only at first, "He is a brute! he is a brute!"
>Upon closer examination, it appeared that Dr. Johnson no sooner saw Smith than he brought forward a charge against him for something in his famous letter on the death of Hume. Smith said he had vindicated the truth of the statement. "And what did the Doctor say?" was the universal query: "Why, he said — he said" said Smith, with the deepest impression of resentment, "he said — 'You lie!'" "And what did you reply?" "I said, 'You are a son of a bitch!'" On such terms did these two great moralists meet and part, and such was the classic dialogue betwixt them.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 5 04:10:30 2022 No.20324260 >>20320350 >restrictions are the driving force of creativity. One of the dumbest things I've read all week

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