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/wg/ - Writing General Anonymous Sun May 1 22:47:26 2022 No.20309103 [Reply] [Original]

Five shitty books that aren't on Royal Road actually written by /wg/ edition.

For General Writing
>The Rhetoric of Fiction, Booth
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft, Burroway
>Steering the Craft, Le Guin
>The Anatomy of Story, Truby
>How Fiction Works, Wood

YouTube Playlists for Writing
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay Robert Butler
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc [Embed] Brandon Sanderson

Technical Aspects of Writing
>Garner's Modern English Usage, Garner
>What Editors Do: The Art, Craft, and Business of Book Editing, Ginna
>Artful Sentences: Syntax as Style, Tufte

Books Analyzing Literature
>Poetics, Aristotle
>Hero With a Thousand Faces, Campbell
>The Art Of Dramatic Writing: Its Basis in the Creative Interpretation of Human Motives, Egri
>The Weekend Novelist, Ray

Traditional Publishing
>https://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-form
>https://www.submittable.com/
>https://querytracker.net/
>https://www.manuscriptwishlist.com/

Self Publishing Options
>https://archiveofourown.org/
>https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/
>https://www.kobo.com/us/en/p/writinglife
>https://www.royalroad.com/
>https://www.scribblehub.com/
>https://www.wattpad.com/

Self Publishing How-To
>https://selfpublishingwithdale.com/

Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual, Kooser
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry, Mason

Anime Writing (^･o･^)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4on26mKakgs [Embed]
>https://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Anime-Story

/wg/ Authors and Flash Fiction Pastebin
>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

Anonymous Sun May 1 22:50:15 2022 No.20309117

>38k words from MC's perspective
>middle of the book, MC talks to best friend and asks him what's on his mind since he's been so quiet recently
>flash back, 38k words from best friend's perspective ending at the present day
Could it be good? Or is segmenting a narrative like this always bad? I worry if I try to parallelize the two storylines that I may disrupt the narrative flow of the MC story

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 22:54:28 2022 No.20309141 >>20309103 Emilyanon best /wg/ author.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 22:58:54 2022 No.20309157 >>20309141 okay Emilyanon, no need to toot your own horn.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:00:59 2022 No.20309164 >>20309157 Not him. The guy sold 19 physical copies with 0 marketing. He is a genius.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:03:36 2022 No.20309170 >>20309164 I'm sure he marketed through twitter, tiktok, instagram, and facebook. Just spam the shit, and hope his friends and family buys it

Anonymous Sun May 1 23:04:29 2022 No.20309176
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DRlv01MC7xhMr06IDZ-Y1BBDQkuc7cdsb34GJe5JFwU/edit?usp=sharing

>Finished sex scene after 60 pages of buildup.
>Starting to tinker with the first 20 pages again.
>Never been more motivated.
>Need to trim down some of the flowery prose in parts
>I also still need to correctly punctuate all of the dialogue from the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:05:46 2022 No.20309182 The Seeds of Sneed

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:05:50 2022 No.20309184 >>20309170 I don't think he did.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:10:39 2022 No.20309205 File: 90 KB, 447x346, 4chan-wg-books.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Let's celebrate some /wg/ authors that WEREN'T shit!

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:14:20 2022 No.20309213 >>20309176 Just finished the new section. Still enjoying the madness!

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:16:22 2022 No.20309216 >>20309205 Why aren't these guys on the pastebin?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:17:58 2022 No.20309224 >>20309205 >>20309103 has anyone actually read any of these shitty books?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:25:13 2022 No.20309244 >>20309084 >Any fight scene that isn't totally grounded is anime.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:29:56 2022 No.20309265 https://litter.catbox.moe/k2vipl.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:30:59 2022 No.20309269 >>20309216 I dunno...I can't answer for the authors. >>20309224 I've read both. I liked both.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:32:45 2022 No.20309273 >>20309265 Ugh. Porno meets Dr. Seuss.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:35:57 2022 No.20309287 >>20309244 Dunno if it's anime but it somehow manages to jam past, present, and future tense together.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:43:20 2022 No.20309308 File: 1.29 MB, 1224x2194, excerpt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just a question. Is this too much dialogue all at once? Should I break down the longer paragraphs and put in more exposition?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 1 23:49:06 2022 No.20309339 >>20309287 That’s the point. The guy he’s fighting experiences time from a nonlinear POV. And yes, our main character is not a pushover. He’s actually among the top tier characters here

Anonymous Mon May 2 00:20:32 2022 No.20309493

>drunk neet
>just wrote 1000 words over the course of about two hours off the top of my head about random shit I'm thinking about

It probably just sounds stupid or naive to any of you who I assume have your shit together and are in college pursuing some kind of literary/academic careers but should I keep this up? I'd like to say I'm fairly well read but have no aspirations to write because I'm fairly sure I broke my brain from sustained neetdom and alcohol abuse. Maybe it could be worthwhile. I'm not even sure what the purpose of this post here, I think I'm just hoping someone in a similar situation sees it.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 00:21:17 2022 No.20309499 >>20309308 What is your experience with the American southeast? As a South Carolinian from a dirt poor dogshit town, I’m not buying the accent

Anonymous Mon May 2 00:25:31 2022 No.20309514

>>20309499
Lived there for a good 3 years. So not so much. I'm also trying to emulate Mark Twain --- I have a copy of Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer next to me, as well as an archive of speeches and newspaper clippings from the 1800's, but of course, without actually living there and experiencing it first hand 24/7, it's going to sound like a hollywood rip off. Any slang I should be aware of?

Anonymous Mon May 2 00:28:02 2022 No.20309523
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A pressure pushed his heart back. It constricted it in the sudden heat and pain that this sort of sudden shock causes. A reverberating electric wave through muscles and veins causing the body to quake in an acerbic burn. His mind lost its bearings slightly and gradually, becoming dizzier, and he felt, through his back and his chest and his stomach that rush of horror, which wouldn't subside, wouldn't be quenched all at once in a delightful relief once he looked twice, checked and realized that it was all just a mistake. It was a crushing wave of horror, the kind that spreads physical aches through your bloodstream and is paralyzing, the kind of moment where your hazed mind is so overflown with adrenaline that you would never be capable to properly recall it should you search your memory for it. His temples pulsated, his heart beat so hard and so fast he could feel the beat in his head. His breathing had become shaky automatically and the world felt flimsy, like walking on water, distancing itself from his senses in a slow slide. This was AIDS and cancer laced into a worse package. This was a life sentence for agony ever-lasting. This was more than just suffering and just death, but the destruction of one's own self into something else, something mangled, dingy and warped. That deep sorrow came in slowly, but arrived to stay. Burrowing itself somewhere in his heart, infecting his body with a grieving aspect of affliction, his mind with a mist of confusion and overlapping thoughts, negative mantras and labyrinths of the same conclusions. His life had been completely restructured. Such is the idea of life destruction, a reconstruction of life into something worse, something pathetic, downtrodden and inescapable. A tainted mark that will always be over your face, as if even in the most comfortable and happy moments, that may hide away beyond the fogs of the immediate future, where comfort may someday reappear, even then, all these moments must be observed through blurred, almost blinded eyes, those fields walked by twisted, crippled legs, and these flavors appreciated by a tongue covered in scars of mutilation. Despite in a literal sense still being in one piece, this is how he felt. As if he had lost a limb or suffered disfigurement. All that has been lost can never be restored, your world and your life are a different experience now, forever.

Anonymous Mon May 2 00:31:58 2022 No.20309536

>>20309493
If you enjoy it, it's constructive, and you have nothing better to do then you should keep doing it. This applies regardless of what "it" is. 1000 pages a day means you'll have a novel in six months if you keep it up.

Don't post your work here until you've got a solid base of discipline and inertia to keep you going. You'll get demotivated by the typically brutal /wg/ critique and stop.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 00:33:07 2022 No.20309541 >>20309164 Not him either, but I only sold four, and I don't think any were from here.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 00:44:21 2022 No.20309584 >>20309514 All circumstantial honesty. Just depends on what you’re writing. Id just be wary of idioms or figures of speech. One I always liked, though, I’d the phrase “the devil is beating his wife,” which means that it’s sunny and raining

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 00:45:34 2022 No.20309587 Op didn’t even bother with a link to the previous thread you’re one brain dead retarded fucking faggot and I hope this thread fails as much as you have in life you’re a disappointment to both your parents they’ll probably KYS

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 01:08:02 2022 No.20309650 >>20309584 I'll use it somewhere. Probably when Hutch goes to Chinatown to sell chickens in the best Chinese he can muster.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 01:10:18 2022 No.20309657 >>20309103 I don't see any of my books on there.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 01:11:29 2022 No.20309660 >>20309657 if you're not on the pastebin with an amazon link, you got left out.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 01:37:09 2022 No.20309721 >>20309657 I'm on there and I dont' know if I regret it yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 01:42:17 2022 No.20309735 >>20309103 >Seeds of Doubt >24 pages for $8 What the fuck man.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 02:11:14 2022 No.20309786 >>20309224 I read Call of the Crocodile. I did not care for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 02:18:27 2022 No.20309803 >>20309721 I 100% already regret it.

Anonymous Mon May 2 03:02:18 2022 No.20309913

>>20309103
Hey fun fact, Google gets you nothing searching for "The Emily Project. I had to directly search on Amazon before I got any hits.

Anyway, I got your book. It better live up to the hype, because if it doesn't I'm going to bitch and moan impotently for a period of up to two weeks.

But if it's bad I'll feel better about my own inane scribblings, so I guess I can't lose.

Anonymous Mon May 2 03:08:28 2022 No.20309924

>>20309913
>fun fact, Google gets you nothing searching for "The Emily Project.
I wouldn't worry about that honestly. The other things that come up are very low priority in the search engine results. It should start showing up soon as it gets more and more hits on Amazon.
It's not like a "Son of the Sun book" search where you are fighting against 38 different books.

Anonymous Mon May 2 03:36:04 2022 No.20309973

If I do a whole novel from one person’s perspective in first person, will it jive well to write the epilogue from another person’s point of view in first person? Or will it be too jarring?
I think it’s a neat idea but I don’t know if it’s a bad idea or not

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 03:42:25 2022 No.20309985 >>20309973 It's jarring if you write it jarring

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 04:46:28 2022 No.20310164 >>20309913 Plz no bully

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 05:04:01 2022 No.20310206 >>20309924 Ngl the book sounds like plastic love anime

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 06:33:40 2022 No.20310429 >>20309216 >>20309269 Where are they? I want to get their permission before adding them to the pastebin.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 06:49:17 2022 No.20310476 >>20309103 those covers are a certified bruh moment fr

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 07:04:43 2022 No.20310509 >>20310476 I always liked Gardner’s covers. The chalkboard aesthetic is unique and eye catching.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 07:17:08 2022 No.20310528 >>20310509 It is creative and unique, I'll give you that

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 07:50:27 2022 No.20310606 >the hat I bought to look more like Joyce doesn't fit my head How can I even write in this state? Who should I try to ape next? Hemingway? Jack London?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 08:25:53 2022 No.20310683 >>20310606 The DFW headband is a pretty easy prop. I use it to cover up my balding.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 08:47:54 2022 No.20310743 File: 72 KB, 1024x1000, 1633773000975.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.scribd.com/document/551280851/Unfiltered What do you not like about this? Any jokes that don't work or scenes that don't make sense?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 08:53:46 2022 No.20310765 >>20310206 It is plastic love anime

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 09:43:33 2022 No.20310914 File: 24 KB, 328x499, 413ZVw6eFnL._SX326_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20309913 >Do this >Get this >Severely disappointed emilyanon book isn't about iCBMs or the cold war. >Robot isn't even a secret military weapon

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 10:08:47 2022 No.20311002 I want to write a progression fantasy. How do I avoid going too hard too fast?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 10:18:51 2022 No.20311035 >>20311002 Don't over-focus on progression. The best progression fantasies are the ones that use it as a framework for a story, and focus on the story and characters, using progression to push them forward.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 10:21:09 2022 No.20311048 >>20309224 I read Eggplant and Call of the Crocodile, ama

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 10:23:28 2022 No.20311058 File: 35 KB, 500x667, Ouroboros cat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >go for a long walk >spend the entire time imagining getting interviewed about my decades-spanning literary career Hahaha.

Anonymous Mon May 2 10:24:51 2022 No.20311064

>>20311035
Oh, I know that. I was debating the merits of two approaches:
>The MC gets tossed into a hard difficulty zone and powerlevels by the skin of his teeth
This would have a more seesawy progression where the MC would end up overpowered against initial threats post-beginning and I could focus on worldbuilding and relationships before ramping it back up.
>The MC gradually builds up his strength from easy to hard zones
This has a more consistent progression, but it might feel like the MC never catches a break since everyone is always stronger.

I admit I'm more partial to the first as an intro but I'm worried about how well I can handle it post-intro.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 10:32:06 2022 No.20311089 >>20311058 Dreams are just goals that haven't been given a deadline. Get out there and make it

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 10:32:58 2022 No.20311091 >>20311089 Thank you very much.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 10:41:47 2022 No.20311137 >>20311048 How cringe was it?

Anonymous Mon May 2 10:48:23 2022 No.20311158

>>20311064
The first one is one used by a few notable ones from webnovels (Defiance of the Fall, Randidly Ghosthound, etc), whereas I rarely see much of the latter, it's usually swingier. And, yeah, you're right, the first one has problems in that it's a pretty good start, but where the story goes after that can leave the beginning feeling like the only good part. You should probably also work on how you're doing progression. Progression can be as gamified as LitRPG stuff, or as mundane as "just getting better at fighting". A decent thing to do is mash those two approaches together. Have the apparently easy early thing suddenly dip into something absurd that they barely scrape through, but they push their way up to that absurdity through a more focused push on going higher.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 10:50:28 2022 No.20311165 >>20309224 Ive only read call of the crocodile on that list. I might look into getting the emily project if its interesting

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 10:58:04 2022 No.20311193 >>20309224 No, just look at all the 1-star reviews of Call of the Crocodile

Anonymous Mon May 2 11:08:15 2022 No.20311232

>>20311137
Eggplant was actually pretty solid. It was a little rough at times and probably could’ve done with some more editing, but the story was actually very enjoyable and original and the project was clearly something very ambitious the author put a lot of thought into. I don’t think the topic of art critics and the generally emotionality of it would interest anons here, but ironically I could see it having real normie appeal, for what it’s worth

When I got to page 2 of Call of the Crocodile, my thoughts were that I’d been tricked into buying some prank meme bullshit. Avoid like the plague.

Anonymous Mon May 2 11:27:07 2022 No.20311307

>>20311064
>I'm worried about how well I can handle it post-intro.
That's the huge downside, but especially as far as I'm concerned because I'm not really a fan of op mc's. However the vast majority of readers are, that's like 50% of why they read the genre, because Todd in 5th period keeps beating their ass and they want to read about some escapist underdog turns into god revenge story.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 12:13:13 2022 No.20311507 >>20309176 quite nice, keep at it anon

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 12:48:08 2022 No.20311655 >>20309213 >>20311507 Thank you guys, I'm really looking forward to finishing up work today so I can get back to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 12:51:30 2022 No.20311667 >>20310476 Eggplant's the only good one

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 12:57:20 2022 No.20311698 >>20310476 >disliking the crocodile cover ngmi

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 13:01:47 2022 No.20311718 File: 1.50 MB, 540x304, 1644366568604.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I think I just had a great writing idea by looking for a good writing idea (which is rare enough to be noted). Now I just need to write it

>>	Camille Uribeetxebarria Mon May 2 13:03:32 2022 No.20311725 can I expect my book to sell a few copies by itself if I put it on Amazon, or am I doomed without marketing?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 13:07:32 2022 No.20311742 >>20311725 It might sell a few, but only a few. Thankfully there is a solution https://advertising.amazon.com/solutions/products/sponsored-brands?ref_=a20m_us_exp_ad_sb

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 13:13:14 2022 No.20311760 What are the biggest problems with timeloop stories? And what are some of your favorites? And what about time travel stories? I'm just in the mood for some of this shit, so I wanted to conduct a survey.

Camille Uribeetxebarria Mon May 2 13:21:46 2022 No.20311781

>>20311742
>paying
not gonna happen
>>20311760
I'm a big sucker for timeloops, legit my favorite trope. I think the worst timeloop stories are the ones who focus only on the story and not character growth, but I guess that's already timeloops 101

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 13:40:03 2022 No.20311856 File: 358 KB, 1114x1114, Clarice Lispector.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 1200 words today. Time to go slack off and jerk off to the cutest writer ever

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 13:43:11 2022 No.20311874 >>20311760 Timeloop is gay. Supposed timeloops that are not actually timeloops are where it's at.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 13:51:44 2022 No.20311902 >>20311856 >and jerk off to the cutest writer ever stop, you're making me blush

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 14:08:11 2022 No.20311966 Read my book. Thank you. https://awfiction.wordpress.com/2022/01/11/new-book/ >>20311725 Nothing goes very far without marketing. Not only that but you have to figure out how you want to market, which is its own challenge.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 14:08:32 2022 No.20311967 >>20311760 Watch Triangle. It has my favorite take on time loops. I once woke up in the middle of the night and wrote a ten page paper on why all the current theories on it were wrong. Lol

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 14:17:40 2022 No.20312003 >>20311760 The biggest problem with timeloops is focusing too much on exploiting the loop and not so much on the existentialism of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 14:19:26 2022 No.20312015 >>20309117 Bumping my question

Anonymous Mon May 2 14:24:02 2022 No.20312048

>>20309117
That much of a block is definitely too much. You could have a few chapters like that, but that's equal to all of the book up to that point on a flashback, it'll just feel like the rest of the book was a bit pointless, like you've just stuffed two into one.

>>	Camille Uribeetxebarria Mon May 2 14:26:57 2022 No.20312062 >>20312003 I disagree, the why is not very relevant, especially if the answer is some uninteresting magic#3513543 or science-fiction#53438361 trope.

Anonymous Mon May 2 14:33:15 2022 No.20312086

>>20312048
My other option was to intersperse the necessary POVs into the narrative I have so far, but it flows so well as it is that additional chapters for this other important narrative feels like it'd be disruptive. Maybe I should just make the chapters longer and have sections where the secondary narrative is pulled in.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 14:33:20 2022 No.20312087 >>20310164 I bully because I care, anon. >>20310914 You're lucky, I got results on some sort of feminist "seen through her eyes" book.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 14:36:24 2022 No.20312094 >>20312087 I searched for Eggplant on amazon and got an MPreg fetish novel before our authors book came up. You niggers need to pick better titles.

Anonymous Mon May 2 14:39:55 2022 No.20312112

>>20312062
That's not what existentialism means. I meant the dread of living the same period of time over and over, being stuck for what seems like eternity. Honestly, I had a vague idea for a timeloop story about somebody who's looped for god knows how long already, and they're just completely empty and hollow after so long, discovering somebody new who becomes part of the loop. Could be interesting.

>>	Camille Uribeetxebarria Mon May 2 14:42:56 2022 No.20312135 >>20312112 yeah sorry I thought you had misused the word. Actually sounds like a cool idea btw

Anonymous Mon May 2 14:50:51 2022 No.20312171
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>>20311966
Will do, but not for free. In return, could you tell me how you went / go about marketing your writing? Some actual advice would be greatly appreciated since I'm on the verge of being (almost) done with one of my own. Since it's fantasy, I intend on shelling it out on Royal Road so I can get feedback from the free readers there, as well as to build up a reader base while I develop Volume 2, but apart from that I ain't sure what to do. Praise be to the absence of the meerkat baiting fag for the lats few threads.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 16:01:33 2022 No.20312485 >>20312135 It's more a vague premise, but it'd be functionally pretty similar to the idea of "jaded immortal learns to love life after meeting a younger immortal who's still happy", I guess.

Anonymous Mon May 2 16:03:00 2022 No.20312491

>>20312171
Not that anon but I am the marketing degree tard.
>Some actual advice would be greatly appreciated since I'm on the verge of being (almost) done with one of my own.
Same advice I give just about anyone ready to publish: targeted advertising towards a very specific audience.
I don’t know the exact genre you are going for but I can make a fair guess with you posting it to Royal Road. One of the biggest things about Royal Road is that you need to have a high chapter count and a number of reviews before anyone will even give you the time of day. The first part is on you, but we can help with the second.
Son of the Sun is a great example of what targeted marketing can get you. He ran 2 weeks of banner ads on 4chan and set the book to $0. He now has 24 reviews, 85% of which are 4* or higher. That entire campaign likely cost him less than $5.
For specific advice I would suggest
>release about 5-10 chapters on RR
>advertise on 4chan for some free reviews
>release regular updates of about 2500-4000 words every week until you hit 30-40 chapters
>look into banner ads on RR
These few steps should be enough to have to stand out from the herd and allow you to begin growing organically.

One thing I will note about Royal Road though, they are notoriously petty towards authors who later attempt to sell work that was posted to RR. There have been multiple examples of authors being told to fuck off by staff after putting their older books on Amazon and attempting to post their newest serial to RR.

Anonymous Mon May 2 16:17:49 2022 No.20312550

>>20312491
It's weird they'd be petty like that. If it was the case where the RR stuff was removed, maybe there'd be some understandable pettiness, but if the RR stuff is still up why get upset? I've seen a few published webnovels say outright "Hey this is available on RR too if you want".

Anonymous Mon May 2 16:21:22 2022 No.20312571

>>20312550
>If it was the case where the RR stuff was removed
That’s what I’m referring to. I believe they’re okay with you selling it as long is it stays up for free on RR. If you take it down to sell it on Amazon though, that’s where they blacklist you.

Anonymous Mon May 2 16:21:54 2022 No.20312573

>>20312491
>running ads for your free RR story
No. Use RR as a vehicle to generate organic eyes on your work. When you move it over to kindle then actually do what the Son of the Sun guy did to generate traffic. RR is like a testground where people read shit for free and offer feedback (thanks for the chapter) in exchage. kindle is where you actually sell books so you should spend some money on ads, but you don't need a lot, $50 will go very far.

>There have been multiple examples of authors being told to fuck off by staff after putting their older books on Amazon and attempting to post their newest serial to RR.
If they pull that then fuck em. Post it on scribblehub instead. The free sites are there to create buzz for your paid work. That's just how it is.

Anonymous Mon May 2 16:26:19 2022 No.20312590

>>20312571
Right. I've seen a couple really quite popular ones that did the latter (He Who Fights With Monsters, Defiance of the Fall, etc.) but they've probably got enough clout just from being popular there and on Patreon that they can take the blacklisting.

Anonymous Mon May 2 16:31:20 2022 No.20312609

>>20312573
>No. Use RR as a vehicle to generate organic eyes on your work.
The issue is that it’s very difficult to generate organic growth on RR. It’s a lot like Onlyfans where 1% of the user base generates 99% of the income. Growth there is multiplicative so you need to do everything you can to separate yourself from the 99% of starving artists doing it for free. It might sound dumb to advertise your free work but free reapers attract other free readers, and free readers don’t always stay free readers.

Anonymous Mon May 2 16:38:35 2022 No.20312657

>>20312609
If you have a patreon set up this makes sense. But I view the demographics of the people who read RR as the type of people who will never really spend money on something - but that's partially my own bias as a chan user, if I can get something for free I'm not going to spend money on it. I suppose if you have a patreon there's no reason not to try and hook some whales.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 16:44:41 2022 No.20312679 >>20312657 A genuine question, should you have a Patreon set-up beforehand, or only set it up if you actually get some traction going?

Anonymous Mon May 2 16:47:02 2022 No.20312689

>>20309308
The dialect makes it very difficult to read. I would pull back from that and use it very sparingly, especially with all those apostrophes it's a visual nightmare. And unless your intention is comedy, that kind of hick dialect inevitably sounds like a joke.

A lot of the short dialogue is also pointless (things like greetings and thanks--these do not advance the story). You have to consolidate it. You are interrupting the speaker too much and that in itself is annoying.

Anonymous Mon May 2 16:48:49 2022 No.20312700

>>20312657
>>20312609
One thing I've frequently been told is that if you give people a way to give you money, they'll give you money, especially if you provide benefits like early chapter releases or something of that nature. I've seen a good few decent books on RR do that, they post their stuff for free but have a Patreon which still nets them a pretty penny.

>>20312491
That's very poignant and good advice, more then I was expecting, thanks!

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 16:50:08 2022 No.20312708 >>20312700 Yeah, it surprises people sometimes how willing people are to spend money. People like to support others.

Anonymous Mon May 2 16:51:46 2022 No.20312719

>>20312679
It depends on optics honestly. It can come off kind of greedy if you just throw a Patreon up, especially if it has tiering rewards.
I always liked this guys Patreon pitch and it’s what I would recommend if you put one up early.
>https://www.patreon.com/Syvaron
>Generally the more money i earn the more time I can work on the game.
>So the dream would be to work on it fulltime.
>The game will always be free, because I find it quite weird not to. It feels like if something isnt free, patrons dont really pay to get something, but instead pay so others dont get it, which is quite a weird concept.
>Instead, if its free, basically everone who pledges does something good, not only for the creator but also potential other users, which seems like a nicer thing to do.
>patrons will get access to polls and stuff to decide the direction of the game and priorities etc. So the early phase will be where patrons can influence the most.

Anonymous Mon May 2 16:51:58 2022 No.20312722

>>20312086
I agree with the other anon that it would be repetitive if it deals with the same story. Switching POV works better if the story is different. First you let one character tell this part of the story and then another character tell another part of the story.

If you simply have them both tell the same story, most readers will be uninterested in hearing different versions of the same thing.

If another person's "version" is important, then you should consider using omniscient POV and tell it at the same time.

>>	Camille Uribeetxebarria Mon May 2 16:53:08 2022 No.20312727 I didn't know RR before these threads, and honestly it kinda sounds like one of these success story websites where only 0.01% of the people actually manage to get an audience

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 16:54:08 2022 No.20312732 >>20312727 IIRC there was a couple of anons who posted their RR links here and I remember that one of them had pretty decent metrics.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 16:56:23 2022 No.20312750 >>20312727 RR incentivises people to leave reviews so even a few readers can be very helpful even if you're just looking for feedback.

Anonymous Mon May 2 16:57:29 2022 No.20312757

>It's wet. Cloudy and wet. The rain falls against my open eyes as I lay there in the rocky clearing, staring up at the sky. It took me a while to find a space that could accommodate me, didn't it? Not my fault that some of the places here are somewhat brittle. The moss covered stone feels both firm and soft at the same time.
>I have never been to this place in my entire life, but something about it feels.... Familiar. Not really familiar, actually, but more like it's a place I'd normally be found at. Something about the rain and the trees, I suppose.
Whatever.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 16:58:02 2022 No.20312760 File: 75 KB, 400x618, C244F785-0291-484C-ADB0-60AE0CBFBCE4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20309103 You can add my novella to that list

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 16:59:57 2022 No.20312769 >>20312757 Have you ever been able to keep your eyes open if they're getting rain in them?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 17:04:00 2022 No.20312790 Today I will remind you about BookSirens

Anonymous Mon May 2 17:07:35 2022 No.20312814

>>20312727
RR has been really useful for me to get feedback, as well to force me into a definite schedule to edit chapters and get them out. This was my first big project and the experience I've had editing has been invaluable. My book hasn't done gangbuster numbers but its been steadily increasing as its gone along and the readers I do have definitely are engaged and reading when new chapters drop. But I never viewed it a the final destination, it's always been a stepping stone to give me time to finish the book and polish it some before I do try and make some money off it. Maybe when the book is complete and after it gets a final editing pass but before I start posting the sequel on RR I'll spend a very small amount of money on ads there so they're around to read the followup. Then when I do move the first one to kindle I'll spend a few bucks here and do free shilling on the 2 reddit boards.

Anonymous Mon May 2 17:09:27 2022 No.20312826

>>20312814
I've considered waiting until I'm about 2/3 done with my story before starting to post on RR because I have a terrible work ethic and would probably miss a lot of days I would try to set aside for writing. Would doing that, and using reader feedback to tweak upcoming chapters, work out?

>>	Camille Uribeetxebarria Mon May 2 17:11:57 2022 No.20312841 >>20312750 when I click on random fics most of them have 0 reviews though.

Anonymous Mon May 2 17:15:20 2022 No.20312860

>>20312841
It is a bit of a potluck to get readers in the first place, but constant, consistent posts of a decent enough quality will get some eyes on you soon enough. RR tends to reward consistent chapter posting, and doesn't like sparsely done dumps of several chapters at once.

Anonymous Mon May 2 17:16:24 2022 No.20312868

>>20312826
Definitely hold off on posting until you have a huge backlog. I had 200k drafted when I started posting, and I figured I'd be done with the story in like 25k more words. I'm at 308k drafted right now, 262k released, and I have 3 chapters to write, so like 9k words, until I hit the final crisis of the book, which is going to be another probably 4 chapters. I added 12 chapters to the middle while I was editing - a good portion of that was to provide a plotline for the sequel tho - and then I've added 14 chapters after the point where I thought I was basically done. Readers have never given me feedback on what they want to see next, if they do ask questions - and they do - its more to ask you to clarify things that you've already done that they haven't quite fully understood. That kind of feedback has been really useful for editing.

Get as far ahead as you can because once you start releasing stick to your schedule whatever your schedule is.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 17:17:33 2022 No.20312876 >>20312760 Anon on amazon cooked yo ass. Thoughts?

Anonymous Mon May 2 17:19:02 2022 No.20312887

>>20309117
It can only work if things from the frens perspective interact or explain or impact things on the first perspective and makes it be seen in a new light. For example if this was a hero villan story instead, the first half is the hero going through problems, then flashback and reveal that the villian was the one causing them

Anonymous Mon May 2 17:19:18 2022 No.20312891

>>20312868
That makes sense. I'm not sure what length my story would end up as (probably on the shorter end, it's a relatively fast-paced adventure thing focusing on characterisation with only a few locales) but I have thought about using the world for later longer-form things (like having this story be almost a foundational thing for later stories that's not necessary to read, but good to know).

Anonymous Mon May 2 17:22:19 2022 No.20312906

>>20312876
Lol I had no idea someone even bought it let alone reviewed. I’m really glad he says he is going to finish it, in truth I think I just want people to read it and give their feedback even if it’s negative. Thanks for the heads up anon, by all means take a look at the book yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 17:26:11 2022 No.20312927 >>20312769 The guy ain't human.

>>	Camille Uribeetxebarria Mon May 2 17:26:11 2022 No.20312928 >>20312906 >didn't put the lowest price available ngmi

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 17:36:46 2022 No.20312978 >>20312928 You’re right anon, just changed it now

Anonymous Mon May 2 17:43:52 2022 No.20313024
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Anyone want to read/critique the lore I'm building for my fantasy novel (it's mainly procastrination to avoid what is going to be a mammoth task I feel)?
Idk if it's any good and my gf just says it's good but that's her job, right?

Anonymous Mon May 2 18:05:54 2022 No.20313135

>>20313024
>Asking for permission to post something
>Asking permission to write something
>Asking permission to post something you wrote about something you theoretically MAY write (you are here)
>Asking permission to ask permission

Sure why not, I'm a sucker for world building and have a 10k word in universe world building bible from years back that was a massive waste of time. Is there any particular type of critique/qualifiers?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 18:06:25 2022 No.20313137 >>20313024 >the lore gay. instead tell me about your mc's immediate goal at the start of the book. that's way more useful

Anonymous Mon May 2 18:09:39 2022 No.20313153

I have too many ideas. By the time I'm ready to start writing I'm already developing my third idea of the day and by that point I don't which one to write and I fear that the one I choose is the worst idea and I would be successful if I had chosen any of the other two so I write nothing.
How to deal with this?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 18:13:39 2022 No.20313169 >>20313153 Write something that's at least 75k words.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 18:14:27 2022 No.20313173 >>20313169 Anything?

Anonymous Mon May 2 18:15:06 2022 No.20313176

>>20313135
I'm asking for permission because I don't just wanna spam my stuff and I was hoping I could share it in a neat form like a pdf. No criteria, I just want to get some feedback as I go along so I know if I'm being autistic or not in my designs
>10k word in universe world building bible
What is this?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 18:16:12 2022 No.20313183 >>20313137 He doesn't really have one, which is part of his issue. He then has one thrust on him which transforms him and by extension the entire kingdom he's forced into rulership of

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 18:17:57 2022 No.20313190 >>20313183 Though its late here so not sure when I'll reply I'm afraid

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 18:23:40 2022 No.20313220 >>20313173 Anything.

Anonymous Mon May 2 18:24:49 2022 No.20313226

>>20313183
So he's a decadent princeling and his father unexpectedly dies making him the king? Or maybe he's the 3rd son and his father and both older brothers die, which would make more sense because the eldest would undoubtedly have responsibility drilled into him from a young age.

Anonymous Mon May 2 18:42:49 2022 No.20313287

>>20313176
>I was hoping I could share it in a neat form like a pdf
Lurk the thread for more than 5 seconds newfriend. Pastebin or Google docs from a burner gmail

And my world building doc was framed as a companion piece by the historical fiction writer of the main novel (which I never finished). Basically a fictional universe where slav-like people settled a continent, formed a Holy Roman Empire, and had a 30 years-esque Civil War where the story was set

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 18:55:23 2022 No.20313344 I think I'm addicted to writing. I've been working nonstop for a week so I decided to take a day off. Now I feel like a nervous wreck for not getting any writing done today. I feel so unproductive

Anonymous Mon May 2 18:57:03 2022 No.20313358

>>20312689
I can get rid of some apostrophes and make it more contemporary for easier reading, but I feel like it really removes the character from the era. I do need to work on the dialect more though, he's a mixture of Jim the Slave and Huck Finn.

thanks for the tidbit about the hellos and thanks, that's what I really wanted to know if the dialogue was too long or not. Seems like it is fine for paragraph long speaking.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:03:12 2022 No.20313383 >>20313344 Do you have bipolar? I get like this for long periods of time, and then can go weeks where I'd rather do anything BUT write.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:04:07 2022 No.20313388 >>20313383 Yeah wait how did you know?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:05:47 2022 No.20313399 >>20313388 Nigga I just said I get like that too, I'm bipolar

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:12:03 2022 No.20313427 How do I know whether to write in first person or third person?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:13:03 2022 No.20313433 >>20313427 I'm writing a romance, to be clear. So I don't know if it should sound like its coming from a narrator or from the character's head

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:16:32 2022 No.20313455 >>20309117 Be better to alternate between the two throughout the book.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:35:34 2022 No.20313561 >>20313399 How do you calm yourself down when that happens?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:45:01 2022 No.20313604 How do I get my book onto goodreads?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:49:01 2022 No.20313621 >>20313561 Exercise or alcohol

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:50:10 2022 No.20313627 File: 736 KB, 1697x1335, rolf_tietgens-patricia_highsmith-1942-age-21.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20311856 What about Patricia Highsmith?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:50:34 2022 No.20313629 >>20313604 google has the answer. its about as easy as you'd expect.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:53:50 2022 No.20313643 >>20313629 but i dont' want to sign up for the site.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:56:10 2022 No.20313658 >>20313643 retard

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 19:56:40 2022 No.20313660 >>20313604 Create an account on GoodReads Add your book to your account Kinda straightforward. Did you even look first?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 20:01:50 2022 No.20313675 >>20313660 >>20313658 No, they keep making me want to sign up for everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 20:21:18 2022 No.20313773 I'm thinking of making a book with the most meaningless setting but that has strangely doom and gloom conflicts

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 20:27:48 2022 No.20313798 >>20313773 You mean a fucking gothic novel? They always take place in a fucking castle or mansion.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 20:30:34 2022 No.20313817 >>20313798 And they're always doom and gloom

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 20:38:21 2022 No.20313852 >>20313798 >>20313817 no, like a school setting but protagonist can't find his homework so he proceeds rant about existentialist dread for hours until he finds it (something like that)

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 20:52:53 2022 No.20313913 File: 3.79 MB, 400x206, 1536450024857.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >finish writing romantic scene >crippling loneliness sets in again every time

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 21:02:00 2022 No.20313942 >>20313852 that would be funny, do it

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 21:29:17 2022 No.20314049 Where do i read Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft, Burroway? I can only find the third edition online, should i just read that?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 21:45:16 2022 No.20314107 >>20314049 yes

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 22:02:53 2022 No.20314172 Hmm today I will do some writing <--clueless >video calls sister for 2.5 hours to talk about book title ideas >now it's bed time

Anonymous Mon May 2 22:19:29 2022 No.20314219
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>>20313153
Pick one and do it.
>the one I choose is the worst idea and I would be successful if I had chosen any of the other two
No way to know.
You just gotta stop being indecisive and DO IT.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 22:20:53 2022 No.20314225 >>20312750 What's a read to review ratio, typically? So far I've had 20 reads but no reviews. At least on RR.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 23:06:55 2022 No.20314376 >>20314172 be naughty and stay up late

Anonymous Mon May 2 23:09:49 2022 No.20314389

I emptied my bag of family sized M&M's and separated the contents by color. I had 78 green ones, 85 blue ones, 100 red ones, 82 Yellow ones, 97 brown ones, but only 20 orange ones. Only twenty. Clearly a mistake from the company, but it was too coincidental. Mars Corporation is watching me. They know I like the orange M&Ms best, yet, for this bag, orange had the fewest number available. Grant Reid must have a hidden camera. It's unfathomable how I obtained so little orange M&M's. I must buy another bag to confirm my suspicions.

It took me eighteen minutes and forty-seven seconds to reach Wal-Mart. It was smart to purchase the second bag of M&M's at a different store. Grant Reid is a rich man, but he was not richer than the Walton Family. The cameras that are watching me would not be under his control at Wal-Mart. It was dark, but the lights were still on inside the store. I stepped inside the blue and gray building. There wasn't a greeter at this hour. Perfect. Less witnesses and spies under control by Reid. I went to the candy isle, and found the section that held M&Ms. I found the red bag - caramel, the yellow bag - peanuts, the purple bag - caramel, but one color bag was missing. Brown. The bag I needed. What a peculiar coincidence. I purchased a bag of M&M's and found far too little orange ones, and there was no option to purchase a second bag. Grant Reid must be watching my every move. A true mastermind. He is clearly three steps ahead. I stood staring at the empty shelf, wondering what my next move can possibly be. He is forcing me to return to the same store where I bought the first bag. It is late, I do not have the time to travel to a third store. Do I play along with Grant Reid's plan, or do I risk traveling further to a third store? A true conundrum.

It took me eighteen minutes and forty-seven seconds to reach Wal-Mart. It was smart to purchase the second bag of M&M's at a different store. Grant Reid is a rich man, but he was not richer than the Walton Family. The cameras that are watching me would not be under his control at Wal-Mart. It was dark, but the lights were still on inside the store. I stepped inside the blue and gray building. There wasn't a greeter at this hour. Perfect. Less witnesses and spies under control by Reid. I went to the candy isle, and found the section that held M&Ms. I found the red bag - caramel, the yellow bag - peanuts, the purple bag - caramel, but one color bag was missing. Brown. The bag I needed. What a peculiar coincidence. I purchased a bag of M&M's and found far too little orange ones, and there was no option to purchase a second bag. Grant Reid is watching my every move. Truly a mastermind, forcing me to return to the same store where I bought the first bag.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 23:12:01 2022 No.20314393 >>20314389 Which fits the first paragraph better? the 2nd paragraph or the 3rd paragraph?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 23:13:38 2022 No.20314395 >>20314393 They're basically indistinguishable desu

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 23:35:35 2022 No.20314442 Hey, I sold a copy today. I wonder if it was one of you fuckers.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 23:39:20 2022 No.20314455 >>20314389 M&Ms, not M&M's

>>	Anonymous Mon May 2 23:39:47 2022 No.20314458 >>20314442 You are going places anon. Not good places but places nevertheless.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 00:00:06 2022 No.20314519 File: 47 KB, 612x612, 02288908-3b2c-4641-b352-10b5b6d967ca.fd5567dc656086f14c36076382116642.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20314455 are you sure about that?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 00:11:31 2022 No.20314542 >>20314455 >Leo's Confectionery >NOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO SAY "Leos" Ho ho. Ha ha. Hee hee, even.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 00:18:07 2022 No.20314565 >>20314542 >>20314519 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MY LIFE IS A LIE FUCK

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 02:12:21 2022 No.20314813 >>20314225 Well, reads are just "anybody who's even started to read", and statistically a lot of people will pull away after the first chapter or so.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 02:39:28 2022 No.20314870 >Had a 600 word day the other day >Had to do a couple 1k+ word days to keep average stronk It isn't easy being a non wordlet

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 02:39:47 2022 No.20314873 >>20314225 >What's a read to review ratio, typically? I don't know about typical, but my fiction has 110,000 views and 19 reviews, so...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 02:41:11 2022 No.20314874 File: 493 KB, 1280x720, 27398239.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What do you do when there's nothing you want to read so you have to write it yourself? I would really like to read some books but my interests are too niche and its hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 02:43:41 2022 No.20314880 >>20314874 I just write

Anonymous Tue May 3 02:54:41 2022 No.20314909
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How do you guys manage your anxiety when you're working on something good? I'm half way through a story at the moment and it really feels great, I can't believe how well it's going. But honestly I constantly get nervous to sit back down and write at it again. I'm here at work knowing I'm going to go home and have to face what I've done and the expectation to keep it going at that quality and my girlfriend is home and I'll have to ask her to leave me alone which even just trying to make any alterations to my environment sort of sets me up for *finally* sitting down to write and then nothing comes and I'll become depressed.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 03:14:24 2022 No.20314959 >>20314909 >when you're working on something good? I have no idea how that would even feel.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 03:16:25 2022 No.20314962 >>20314909 Getting in the zone is nice and all but your just gonna have to destroy it in the drafting process. (Also save your drafts when you feel you've changed them significantly. it helps a lot)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 03:20:31 2022 No.20314980 >>20309103 So where can I read these books for free?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 03:52:49 2022 No.20315069 what program do i use to write my book so they won't just throw it in the garbage?

Anonymous Tue May 3 05:07:12 2022 No.20315226

>>20315069
Microsoft Word you goof. Just make the formatting correct. Times New Roman. 12 font. Double space. Hanging first line. Ta-da! Everyone will now read your shit. I ignore every faggy journal's specs about what it needs to be and they always read it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 05:09:14 2022 No.20315233 >>20315069 No program will make up for your lack of industry connections

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 05:12:39 2022 No.20315241 >>20313153 Write one, and then write another. Then write a third.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 05:39:33 2022 No.20315312 >>20314909 this >>20314959

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 06:26:12 2022 No.20315433 >>20315226 >Double space But 1.5 is clearly superior

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 06:26:51 2022 No.20315435 >>20309103 Is it ever a good idea to add new characters in the second draft? I realised my protagonist needs a contrasting rival character. And that they both offer different viewpoints and solutions to a shared problem

Anonymous Tue May 3 06:27:41 2022 No.20315437

How do you guys stop yourselves from getting stuck in editing hell? I'll often look back on my writing from weeks or months prior and I'll rarely be satisfied with all or even most of it. Hell, I've propably rewritten my opening chapter ~5 times already. How do I stop?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 06:31:26 2022 No.20315441 >>20315437 You don't. You keep editing. You wouldn't want it to be shit, would you?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 06:33:59 2022 No.20315447 >>20315441 Yeah but there comes a point where I want to have a finished product ready for publishing, and if I keep editing and editing, that'll never happen, I'll just be stuck endlessly revising the same 5 chapters.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 06:34:32 2022 No.20315450 >>20315447 Maybe you should send a draft to your editor and let them worry about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 06:36:23 2022 No.20315454 >>20315450 I'm selfpubbing though, and all I've got is a couple of beta readers that eat up anything I shit out.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 06:45:08 2022 No.20315468 Back at work after a few days off but all I want to do is write. I can't focus on anything but the scenes of my story and it's driving me mad.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 06:57:07 2022 No.20315487 >>20315433 Double space with 0 after the paragraph.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 07:10:15 2022 No.20315513 File: 103 KB, 410x512, Incoherent rage.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20315487 0 AFTER THE PARAGRAPH

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 07:12:50 2022 No.20315518 >>20315435 Yes, as long as you give them enough depth and relevance within the story.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 07:46:01 2022 No.20315634 >>20315454 It feels like the number of people who care about making a real piece of artistry are decreasing while the number of people out to just make a buck are increasing.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 07:50:15 2022 No.20315650 I don't know what's worse, introducing a prophecy or introducing a prophecy and then going out of your way to "subvert" said prophecy.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 07:55:02 2022 No.20315672 How do I decide on a topic for my non-fiction book?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 07:57:47 2022 No.20315682 >>20315672 If you know you're writing one, you already have a topic. If you don't have a topic, why would you be writing one?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 08:01:40 2022 No.20315692 What's the best way to handle a sex scene? Do you actually write out the scene or do you just allude to it and move on?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 08:02:16 2022 No.20315695 >>20315692 I describe sex in detail, as a joke. Hahaha.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 08:06:36 2022 No.20315707 >>20315692 Depends on the context. If it's just generic sex then allude to it. But if it's going to affect the story or characters then describe it, just don't go full erotica.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 08:08:20 2022 No.20315717 >>20315634 The number of people creating art for art's sake has never been higher, thanks to the internet. Yes, many of them are creating fan fiction and other junk. But they're nothing if not sincere.

Anonymous Tue May 3 08:43:15 2022 No.20315841

>>20315692
I just wrapped one up (well the character's didn't, but you know what I mean). I spent nearly 50 pages getting to the scene, so I decided to indulge a bit with it. It's really meant to highlight how much of a bitch my protagonist is, so I leaned into that angle pretty hard. I considered toning it down, but I also considered fleshing it out more. Ultimately I wound up pretty happy with how it wound up. Following that, I'm alluding to how many more times this scene has played out by skipping forward a few months in the following chapter. Sex is a core part of the character's identity and job, but I don't want it to dominate the actual story.

Anonymous Tue May 3 08:44:52 2022 No.20315849

>>20312571
There's no "blacklisting", what the hell are you talking about? If a story is published through Amazon and the corresponding parts removed from RR, then they remove the story from Rising Stars/Trending, because it makes no sense for the site to advertise content that's not even there anymore. Which is perfectly fair in my opinion

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 08:54:50 2022 No.20315883 Is /ffa/ still a thing?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 09:21:26 2022 No.20315947 >>20315692 I begin it and fade to black. I don't like reading graphic or incredibly detailed sex scenes so I don't enjoy writing them either

Anonymous Tue May 3 09:25:23 2022 No.20315959

>>20315634
Art is meaningless if nobody ever sees it. I am writing for writing's sake, I don't care if I make money from what I do. It'd be nice if I did but all I want is for my stuff to be seen, which is why I plan on dumping it all for free on Royal Road, at least for the time being.

>>20315692
If it's a core plot moment I am as vivid / descriptive as I need to be given the scene's impact on the story. If it isn't, I usually allude to it or mention it in one paragraph.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 09:40:16 2022 No.20316009 I'm heavily inspired by the opening to a certain book, or well, certain cliche opening to a book. How do I make it my own?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 09:48:56 2022 No.20316026 >>20315634 Are you implying self lubbers are trying to make a quick buck? Because I can assure you that does not happen

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 10:36:39 2022 No.20316151 >>20316009 Steal it but change the words

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 11:17:41 2022 No.20316302 Why aren't you writing a litrpg?

Anonymous Tue May 3 11:18:27 2022 No.20316305

>>20314909
You're a retard. You're always going to have sections where everything just clicks, the words are flying and it's pure brilliance. And then you're going to have all the other days. Finishing your project means pushing through. And then you know what's going to happen when you start editing? You're going to look at those sections that seemed to come out so flawless and brilliant at the time and you're going to discover flaws that you need to fix. That's how it goes.

Anonymous Tue May 3 11:34:50 2022 No.20316367

>>20312860
>RR tends to reward consistent chapter posting
How consistent are we talking?
>doesn't like sparsely done dumps of several chapters at once.
What's "at once" mean here?

I'm taking that to mean that if you have, say, five 10k word chapters you should release them every week and not dump them every 2 months or whenever you feel like it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 11:36:10 2022 No.20316370 I obsessed too much over one story idea I had and now I'm suffering burnout. Should I do a different story? Am I "betraying" my story if I do something else first?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 11:40:03 2022 No.20316383 >>20316367 I think a constant weekly schedule is generally preferred. Some are five a week, some are one or two, just as long as you're consistent.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 11:41:53 2022 No.20316391 >>20316370 Write whatever, it's not like you have a deadline.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 11:42:12 2022 No.20316392 File: 410 KB, 221x196, 1411138367496.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20316383 What about seven days a week?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 11:43:26 2022 No.20316399 >>20316392 Probably too much, but if you can keep it up, maybe go ahead. Probably better to do 4 a week or something and just build up a backlog.

Anonymous Tue May 3 11:54:40 2022 No.20316446

Is it okay if I have a bait-and-switch or change the genre of my serialized work after I realize I like a different direction?

For example, switching to political intrigue after high stakes tournament battles because I got really curious about the type of person that would organize those fights, or harem comedy after a grimdark intro because I got too attached to the characters and felt bad about putting them through further misery.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 11:57:57 2022 No.20316461 >>20316446 readers will probably hate it honestly, but if it's what you want to write I don't see why you shouldn't

Anonymous Tue May 3 11:59:28 2022 No.20316468

>>20316446
It's a general rule that you shouldn't abruptly shift from what your readers got into your work for. Otherwise, you'll only be left with the people who liked both the before and after, whereas the people who liked the before will leave, and the people who like the after won't read it because of the beginning.

Anonymous Tue May 3 12:04:01 2022 No.20316480

>>20316461
>>20316468
Would it be better if I worked it into the story instead of abruptly shifting? Like for the tournament story, having different POVs with one character being a prize fighter and the other being his manager having to navigate the politics.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:05:36 2022 No.20316485 >>20316480 That can work better, but it'll sit poorly that you're suddenly focusing on something a lot of people didn't sign up for, and if you drop the politics entirely eventually they'll drop the story.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:16:00 2022 No.20316526 Where do you suggest me to upload my writings for them to be criticized? I'm looking for a serious site where people share their works and everyone opine about them for trying to improve thir skills

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:24:20 2022 No.20316560 >>20316367 10k word chapters? Ain't that a bit too big? You could probably do yourself a favor and split them up into two 5k word chapters so you can have a bigger backlog.

Anonymous Tue May 3 12:24:46 2022 No.20316561

>>20316446
I'll go against the other advice because at the end of the day you're writing for yourself and you should enjoy the experience. In a longer work you will necessarily have different plot arcs that come to the fore that you should explore. If you write it well, if you make the plot intriguing, your readers will stick with you. That's assuming this change isn't a complete 100% tonal shift or that you will never get back to the earlier things that drew them in. Nothing wrong with adding more depth to the world you're creating. You are writing for yourself and your readers are lucky enough to see the story that you are creating. They can read or drop if they want.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:24:56 2022 No.20316563 >>20316560 Average chapter length on RR is, what, between 3-7k, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:25:59 2022 No.20316568 File: 2.22 MB, 640x800, 1622806169149.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Daily quota reached. Who's a good boy then? Why, I am!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:26:58 2022 No.20316575 >>20316563 No, probably much lower. I'd think 2-4k

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:29:26 2022 No.20316582 >>20316560 It was an example.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:36:14 2022 No.20316600 >Want to write a heist story >Really want the climax to involve the heist going tits up and the team needing to fight someone Am I allowed to write it as a heist or should the plan go off without a hitch?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:38:11 2022 No.20316608 >>20316600 Lots of heists fail.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:39:07 2022 No.20316613 >>20316568 >Daily quota reached don't pat yourself on the back if it's not at least 3000 >b-but but everyone writes differently don't care

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:41:40 2022 No.20316620 >>20316613 >3000 You're literally a Brandon Sanderson tier idiot shitting on the page and pretending you've accomplished something. Even Stephen King's 2k words a day is quantity over quality.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:45:53 2022 No.20316633 >>20316620 Quantity is a quality of its own. How are you expecting to find the diamond in the rough if you're taking so long?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:52:18 2022 No.20316653 >>20316633 >so long 1k is enough.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:52:54 2022 No.20316655 >>20316563 2-4, biggest I've got is 4.3

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 12:59:21 2022 No.20316672 >>20316613 a daily quota of 3k is asinine

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 13:00:16 2022 No.20316677 File: 141 KB, 1024x1001, Balzac.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20316672 B-but it makes me special!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 13:13:00 2022 No.20316718 >>20316526 This site is as good as it gets.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 13:22:51 2022 No.20316745 >>20316392 I posted every day at first, but readers complained they couldn't keep up, which was why there were hardly any comments, and many waited for chapters to pile up instead of reading them as they were posted, so it was a total waste of effort.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 13:25:39 2022 No.20316762 >>20316745 Pussies. What did you end up settling on?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 13:28:16 2022 No.20316768 >>20316718 This is unfortunately true. Anonymity allows for honest appraisal. If anyone does find a better site out there I think we'd all appreciate the heads up.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 13:30:22 2022 No.20316778 >>20316745 >every day >readers complained they couldn't keep up You not being able to keep up would be the real concern I'd think. The best schedule is two to three times a week. This may be too often for the author, once a week is a good compromise.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 13:31:25 2022 No.20316781 >>20316718 are you sure? are people going to keep reading my writings day after day? as stories grow, it will be more difficult for folks to follow them. After all this is a chaos

Anonymous Tue May 3 13:32:57 2022 No.20316786
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I just released my poetry book for sale, if any of you are interested here's a link: https://losetouchcompletely.gumroad.com/l/20192021

here's a sample:

I started going to a website.
Thank god I found community.
We share our simple poetry and compare the bounds of our truth. So you learned to dance? Where'd you turn to? I'll visit you on the internet. We share our simple poetry.
Nothing less, nothing more to know of me.
Me and my friends just want to get famous. We spend nights reenacting films,
taking the same drugs and
making the same emotions.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 13:33:34 2022 No.20316790 >>20316762 Three times a week. It was a pace that didn't kill me, left room for editing, and people had the time to comment too. But still speedy enough that nobody got bored.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 13:44:55 2022 No.20316832 >>20316786 >god stopped reading there

Anonymous Tue May 3 13:51:03 2022 No.20316847

>>20316600
The plan going off without a hitch never really happens. What does happen is you'll have the heist plan, and the first part will go mostly okay, second part will go tits up, improvise past parts 3-5, and then reveal an extra part 6 that somehow worked out.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 13:52:04 2022 No.20316852 >>20316620 Doesn't Sanderson only write like 250-500 a day? But he just constantly writes that?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 13:53:57 2022 No.20316864 >>20316620 What is editing?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 14:07:10 2022 No.20316920 Can I exposit in the narration?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 14:12:35 2022 No.20316941 >>20316920 Yes.

Anonymous Tue May 3 14:13:25 2022 No.20316945
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>>20316852
Just looked it up and Sandersoy says 2k per day is his benchmark, but measuring per day is deceptive because it's his full-time job (he says he writes 4-16 hours per day depending on inspiration/deadlines). Very different from someone with an unrelated full time job where getting 500-1k per day (over maybe 2 hours if you're lucky) is nothing to sneeze at.

Nothing wrong with writing fast (I do sometimes too) but many of the people you see banging on about 5k per day or whatever tend to be borderline personalities working in isolation/not taking criticism and producing unintelligible drek from the samples I've seen. Tldr: try to make your process efficient, but don't sacrifice quality for a hollow goal like daily word count a reader will never know about.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 14:15:58 2022 No.20316954 >>20316945 >a reader will never know about. But what if I'm posting it all live because I have an exhibitionist compulsion to share my work with others?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 14:17:21 2022 No.20316959 >>20316945 And then there's the author of The Wandering Inn who writes like 60-80k a week and I don't even understand how. It's not even unreadable or anything, it's pretty well-written eventually, but how do you write that much.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 14:19:07 2022 No.20316964 >>20316600 Build up a really good cop or FBI kind of person who's been on their tail for a while or something and have him interrupt them at a critical momnet.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 14:23:57 2022 No.20316987 >>20316959 Amphetamines.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 14:33:15 2022 No.20317016 >>20316959 >It's not even unreadable or anything

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 14:43:49 2022 No.20317062 >>20316959 Ngl people like pirateaba inspire me to write more. People that can write that much and at such a solid quality really make me want to write as much as I can. Love to feel it.

Anonymous Tue May 3 14:50:53 2022 No.20317087
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>>20316954
Get a handle on it I guess, or have a writing group to share samples with but you're just lowering the quality of feedback you receive by sharing such raw drafts.

>>20316987
>>20317062
I read two samples of Wandering Inn before and it's the drunken 7-11 day-laborer of workmanlike prose. Just literal explanations of events like "Xenon ran outside", "the half elf shook with fear", "it was an old building". I give the author credit for clarity I suppose but I can't imagine the level of MMO addicted mongel that would view having 200k words of mass produced drivel to get through per month as a selling point.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 14:54:26 2022 No.20317102 >>20317087 >but you're just lowering the quality of feedback you receive by sharing such raw drafts. But I have absolutely no clue how to edit stories so there's little difference between now and later.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 14:59:45 2022 No.20317119 >>20317087 I'm not saying the Inn is a masterpeice, but you gotta admit that someone THAT prolific deserves a measure of respect. I may or may not be an mmo addicted mongrel, but I find her work quite servicable.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 15:02:31 2022 No.20317132 >>20317119 I've been under the impression the early volumes are a bit of a mess, but the later ones tend to solidify when the author finds the right narrative 'voice'.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 15:02:40 2022 No.20317135 >>20317102 read through, delete the crap, keep the good, improve bits seems obvious to me, but generally delete the shit that slows down the flow, i delete entire chapters sometimes, gotta be brutal with it good luck

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 15:05:04 2022 No.20317147 >>20317132 I haven't read it in quite a bit and I'll say I'm not very harsh with my criticism and I don't think I've ever read anything I'd ever all overtly terrible, but the Inn was definitely not bad, even from the get go. Maybe my standards are low.

Anonymous Tue May 3 15:11:20 2022 No.20317168

>>20312171
I am the last person to give anyone marketing advice. The people who seem to have the most non-traditional success seem to already have a platform. Lindsay Ellis, Shadiversity, come to mind. I recommend looking at Chris Fox's youtube channel. He's a dweeb but has some practical marketing advice. Success for him seems to have a lot to do with ad spend and writing a high volume of genre fic in a series.

Anonymous Tue May 3 15:14:14 2022 No.20317178

>>20317147
>Maybe my standards are low.
At least you're self-aware. What I don't get is, why do people willingly waste time and energy promoting trash they describe even in their own words only as "serviceable" and "not unreadable" instead of anything they think is legitimately good?

>her work
Ohhhhh now I see

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 15:25:39 2022 No.20317222 >>20317178 I'm not simping, I promise. I saw what's popular on Royal Road, which is where I'll be posting very soon, so I read it to see what people like.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 15:35:55 2022 No.20317261 >>20317135 >delete the crap, keep the good, improve bits but I write skeletons

Anonymous Tue May 3 15:40:00 2022 No.20317279

>>20316446
I think it’d be neat to have the character’s actions almost switch genres in a sense depending on what position he’s in.
There’s plenty of people in the world starving to death but then there are plenty of people drawing furry porn to make ends meet. Or a mob boss who used to kill people for another boss is now banging strippers and getting wasted all day. It adds a bit of realism in a way.

Anonymous Tue May 3 15:49:31 2022 No.20317314

I'm tired and feel like garbage. The words aren't flowing the way I want them to at all and I'm having trouble even figuring out what happens next and what the characters, who are much more well rested than I am, should/would do.

Should I take a nappy or write something and look at it later?

Anonymous Tue May 3 16:04:51 2022 No.20317369

>>20312491
>One thing I will note about Royal Road though, they are notoriously petty towards authors who later attempt to sell work that was posted to RR. There have been multiple examples of authors being told to fuck off by staff after putting their older books on Amazon and attempting to post their newest serial to RR.
I just saw an ad on RR promoting a book on Kindle, KU and Audible, the author is Allanther, and this post immediately sprang to mind.

The guy would be the perfect example of someone who'd run afoul this sort of thing. He has not 1, but 2 works on RR that he's moved to KU. One of them, the current one, the Wizard's Something-or-other, he moved only the 1st arc to KU, and he's got the others still on RR. Maybe he's an exception to this because he's popular? He seems like the perfect candidate to receive the ol' banhammer, I don't know, but based on the fact that he is cheerfully doing this - and literally advertising on RR for his book that's on KU, the same book that still has parts 2 and 3 on RR and part 1 is literally a stub with the statement (Arc 1 / Book 1 has been removed to meet the requirements of Kindle Unlimited. For any reading at the time, I apologize for the interruption. This arc was a draft version, and the version on KU will be edited and polished.) so the staff at RR are surely aware - I don't think that this is anything to be worried about. At all. Not at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 16:09:41 2022 No.20317394 >>20317369 They generally won't stop you putting up a story you've already started posting on there, but starting a new one is the issue I think.

Anonymous Tue May 3 16:21:30 2022 No.20317453

>>20317394
That doesn't make any sense. I can literally go to my story right now and change the title. If what you're saying is true, you'd just need to take a few days to upload, say, 3 or 4 "chapter 1's" of some stories. Leave them there, and then when you move your 1st story to kindle you'd have several dummy stories just ready to fill in with whatever you want. You can even change the title. So what you're saying sounds retarded, but maybe they are retarded and my little 2 second hack gets around it.

Anonymous Tue May 3 16:41:33 2022 No.20317514

>>20312491
>One thing I will note about Royal Road though, they are notoriously petty towards authors who later attempt to sell work that was posted to RR. There have been multiple examples of authors being told to fuck off by staff after putting their older books on Amazon and attempting to post their newest serial to RR.
It's pretty scummy to sell out, bro.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 17:06:14 2022 No.20317594 >>20315634 Most writers are shit and most books are trash, what do you expect.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 17:09:25 2022 No.20317602 >>20316600 This is like every heist movie ever made, even rick and morty made fun the heist movie tropes

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 17:14:53 2022 No.20317620 >>20317602 I never saw a heist movie so I didn't know.

Anonymous Tue May 3 17:27:01 2022 No.20317670
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>>20317119
>someone THAT prolific deserves a measure of respect

In 2012 I met a man in a rural southern town I had occassion to live in for a time. The town was dominated by a single intersection where of 'Mainstreet' and 'General Lee Boulevard' met, where under the a pair of alternating stoplights and the golden arches of a McDonald's the man commanded the eyes of the entire town.

That was where I first saw him, and saw him every time after for that matter. A tall black man, square jaw shaved clean but for razor bumps that gave a false shadow of an incoming beard by sunlight. His bare thighs flexed taughter than any gymnast's as he bounced up and down on the street corner in runner's shorts, waving a pair of miniature American flags up and down at a fevered pace all without breaking the perfect ninety degree angle of his elbows. His mouth, aimed a no one in particular, never stopped moving. All the movement of his body gave the effect of a grand circus entirely muted by my sealed car window and the low hum of the air conditioner.

"The Captain", he was later identified by someone in my passenger seat. They went on to share his entire catalog of local lore with me. Former military it was said. Married but divorced, but he had some local extended family who took him in when he wasn't institutionalized. Men were safe to walk by and even attempt to discern his purpose, but he was a first rate misogynist and quick to yell accusations of whoredom at any unescorted women. The battles scars of The Captain were as deep as they were mysterious.

The Captain was at his post whenever the sun shone, and he never, not for one blink of an eye, stopped moving. In all my time in that town I never did stop to listen to a single word he said, but I'll be damned if I didn't respect his dedication.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 17:55:33 2022 No.20317766 Is it true that fantasy and science fiction are for retards?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 18:01:01 2022 No.20317784 >>20317766 Yeah man

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 18:06:54 2022 No.20317803 Adderall. Does it make your writing worse or better. I don't mean for ADHD either.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 18:21:39 2022 No.20317849 >>20317803 >I don't mean for ADHD either It's a waste of time for you. ADHD responds to stimulants differently.

Anonymous Tue May 3 18:56:00 2022 No.20317925
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How the fuck do I stop writing such purple fucking prose? I just can't stop. Even when I know I'm doing it, and try and delete some superfluous detail, I feel like I'm somehow detracting from everything by doing so. I just want to keep detailing everything
AHHHHHHHHHHH HELP ME NIGGERMAN!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 19:01:59 2022 No.20317939 File: 137 KB, 669x900, 1636804804144.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Wrote 6k words today on a new project that will probably be a novella. Also set a date with an old crush I thought I'd never see again. Best day ever.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 19:04:00 2022 No.20317947 >>20317925 give us an example of your purple prose lad

Anonymous Tue May 3 19:04:09 2022 No.20317948

>>20317849
No it doesn’t. People with ‘ADHD’ just benefit more from the effect of stimulants because they need the extra focus and energy more. It’s like if you give somebody who is hopeless adderall they will at least have enough energy to do something. That doesn’t mean adderall fixes the real cause of the issue, the medication only helps with specific symptoms. It’s better than nothing but it’s unlikely to be the key to your problems.

Anonymous Tue May 3 19:04:30 2022 No.20317950

>>20317925
Stop being afraid to cut stuff. If you really want to keep something that you think you can use later, through it into some kind of boneyard document. Sometimes even characters need to be scrapped, even good ones. You need the right prose and characters that serve your story.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 19:13:12 2022 No.20317966 >>20317947 Have at, bud. https://pastebin.com/9vt7HTmc >>20317950 What a waste of perfectly good words, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 19:22:05 2022 No.20317991 >>20309265 what the fuck this is at least the second time you post something like this

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 19:26:44 2022 No.20318002 >>20317948 >No it doesn’t Yes it does. Please do some real research instead of posting.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 19:41:50 2022 No.20318037 ADHD isn't even real you idiots.

Anonymous Tue May 3 19:53:49 2022 No.20318071

>>20317948
Yes, it does. Aderall can fuck you up real good if you don't take it properly, especially if you don't have ADHD. Sure you might feel hopped up for a bit, but it's very addictive, and can cause certain underlying / undiagnosed, issues to, again, fuck you up real good, primarily heart or liver related shit. If you're a dopamine addicted coomer like most of the niggerfaggots that congregate on this site and possibly to this board and thread, you'll get fucked up reeeeeeeeeal good from adderall.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 20:56:44 2022 No.20318263 >>20315437 I write it properly the first time. >>20316302 I've been meaning to look up exactly what a LitRPG is. I fear it'll be cringe. >>20317314 Take a nap. Don't force it. >>20317602 THIS. Just forget the heist.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 20:57:45 2022 No.20318266 >>20318263 >Just forget the heist. But what do I write if I want to write about someone stealing something?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 21:23:01 2022 No.20318320 >>20318266 You can do it, but you're going to have to do a LOT of work, and research, to come up with a robbery that isn't hideously cliched.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 21:24:28 2022 No.20318330 wow you guys are very negative for a group of nobodies

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 21:29:12 2022 No.20318349 >>20318320 What kinda work are we talking here, as someone totally ignorant of the heist genre?

Anonymous Tue May 3 21:33:29 2022 No.20318363

>In the darkness and quiet, Fei-Ming collected his thoughts. California and San Francisco had people from around the world. The Americans had their ways of doing things, the Natives their own habits, the Negro had inclinations and tendencies befitting of their race, the Irish followed specific behaviors, and the Chinese believed in their own traditions. People could be labeled with certain physical and behavioral characteristics. Some races shared traits with others, but as a whole different groups shared common traits. It was the truth of this world.
>Yet, something was amiss to him. There are certainly shared common characteristics with people in his country, such as: having a common skin color, eating the same type of food, or speaking the same language, yet, the differences between individuals manifested like grains of sand washed upon the beach. Every kernel on the bay was different in size, shape, texture, material, and even origin. Each one had their own unique story to tell. Fei-Ming He did not visit the brothels or drink to his heart’s content. He never found any interest in smoking opium either. His curiosity and choices were his own. So were the choices and actions by others.
>The first step he took off the boat he met men of all colors and races each acting on their own accord. The guard did not pester Fei-Ming. Sun-Mei went to Hawaii. Hutch, a man from Carolina, traveled across the land to find his fortunes here. He did not need to help Fei-Ming, but chose to do so. Montgomery as well. Two men had no allegiances, or ties to him, however, they saw him not as a Chinaman, but as another man. Their mutual interest was the only thread binding the three. Three Americans from different parts of the nation came together.
>Fei-Ming looked at his hands. The color of his skin did not matter. It was his ambitions, habits, temper, and most importantly, his character. Yi-Kin had the same color as himself. Yet, he did not care. For a price he will never know, Yi-Kin sold him to work these mines. Any commodore that existed in the Middle Kingdom ceased the minute he stepped off the boat on the San Francisco Bay. Here in America, each man lived on their terms and accord. Fei-Ming concluded that was the true meaning behind The Beautiful Kingdom. He raised from his feet, grabbed his pickaxe, and once again struck the wall with more ferocity and tenacity than before. The piles of coal once again grew larger and filled his bag faster than ever before. That day, he earned eight dollars more.

Is this too literal and too much "telling" in the story? I'm thinking of just deleting it and stretching it out with more scenes, but if i do that it'll bog down the story to a crawl.

What do?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 21:58:37 2022 No.20318418 >>20318349 Ugh. You want to write a heist, but know nothing about them? Write what you know.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 21:59:37 2022 No.20318422 >>20318330 I’m actually somebody

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:01:40 2022 No.20318429 >>20318422 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7aIf1YnbbU I'm SOMEBODY now!

Anonymous Tue May 3 22:02:35 2022 No.20318432
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>>20317966
Yep, it's a little purple. There's a lot of top-down sentence construction and tangents. Once I got past the first paragraph though I thought it flowed nicely. Its structure is archaic, but if that's your voice, write in your voice. The "modern" voice is very Hemingway/fast fast fast to the action because the modern reader doesn't have the attention span to read a book longer than a pamphlet. I'm now upset so I'm going to hijack my own post.
I was talking to a coworker today about books and he incredulously said, "My wife read War & Peace--for FUN." And I said, "Isn't reading supposed to be fun?" We laughed but it really got me thinking. Back in the day, huge novels like that were like the multi-season TV shows of day, and the serialized novel the episodic release. You didn't buy War & Peace to churn through it in an afternoon like an episode of Spongebob. You bought War & Peace to read it over several weeks or months like a modern episodic TV show would keep you now. Big books were there to remain a part of your life for a long time and get revisited on occasion, and now they're seen as some sort of big hulking triumph that you only read to show off instead of enjoy.
I don't really know whether to feel sad or angry that literature has fallen this hard in the face of technology. It just feels wrong to think this way. Maybe we've been conditioned to consoom so much content that the idea of lazing back with War & Peace or Monte Cristo or Karamazov feels like we're missing out on something else.
Anyways, back to your story. If you really care about deleting purple prose, leave some things for the reader to populate and stop going on tangents.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:02:46 2022 No.20318433 >>20318418 >Write what you know. I know nothing.

Anonymous Tue May 3 22:04:36 2022 No.20318440

>>20318363
It's a character's thought process, so I think it's fine. The prose itself doesn't flow well in places, mainly in the first paragraph so you might want to restructure that a bit. I did like the sand metaphor, though, and the ending paragraph is strong.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:04:45 2022 No.20318442 Hey, somebody on KU read my book all the way through today. Feels good.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:05:40 2022 No.20318448 >>20318433 Get a job as a political speech-writer or a Greek philosopher.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:05:52 2022 No.20318449 >>20318448 Anon, it doesn't seem like you're in the mood to offer any real advice. Why not quit while you're ahead?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:06:55 2022 No.20318452 >>20318432 Reading books to show off you read them is a tale as old as books themselves, though. Even Spenser sort of had a crack at that with his monk having a Bible "Well-thumbed, but never read."

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:09:45 2022 No.20318458 How do I get over my fear of writing? I am afraid it won't turn out how I want it to.

Anonymous Tue May 3 22:09:49 2022 No.20318462

>>20318449
It was a joke, anon.

I actually do agree with >>20318418
to some degree, though. However, there's an easy fix. If you want to write about a heist, then read a bunch of heist stories and watch a movie or two. There's something to be said for knowing your audience.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:11:12 2022 No.20318464 lol, you faggots can't do shit, and even if you could, I wouldn't read it

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:11:55 2022 No.20318468 >>20318464 I know what you're doing. You're just trying to get to bump limit so you can make your own OP!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:11:58 2022 No.20318469 >>20318433 Then...what exactly is it about writing that you find appealing?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:12:15 2022 No.20318471 >>20318458 It won't, but that's what second, third, and fourth drafts are for. Just let yourself make mistakes and accept that the first draft will be a mess.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:12:23 2022 No.20318472 >>20318462 >read a bunch of heist stories Like what?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:13:02 2022 No.20318473 >>20318458 Practice >>20318464 Then why are you here?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:13:23 2022 No.20318476 >>20318469 see >>20318449

Anonymous Tue May 3 22:19:41 2022 No.20318491

>>20318476
I'm TRYING to offer real advice, but you want to write about something you know nothing about, and don't make the effort to Google it either.
If you're not a troll, then you may be one of the most dim-witted people I've ever encountered.
I'm not sure any advice can help you.
Not trying to be mean...just wondering what your deal is.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:22:25 2022 No.20318497 >>20318491 >I'm TRYING to offer real advice Where? Your very first piece of "advice" was to give up entirely with no discernible alternative suggested, and it only got worse from there.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:22:38 2022 No.20318499 >>20318472 I don't read crime novels, but I imagine just picked the top five in the genre should give you a good footing.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:28:55 2022 No.20318510 >>20318497 don't be so thin skinned

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:30:16 2022 No.20318515 >>20318510 Pot, meet kettle. Don't whine about your crappy advice being called what it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:32:02 2022 No.20318527 >>20318432 >Monte Cristo Picked it up. Only problem with its size is weight and I have a series I want to finish.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:34:25 2022 No.20318536 How do I write good fight scenes?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:35:53 2022 No.20318538 >>20318536 Long sentences that get shorter and shorter eventually getting straight to the point.

Anonymous Tue May 3 22:36:22 2022 No.20318540

>hated the "fake assassination" storyline I had going in book 2
>seek for weeks to replace it with something better
>earlier ITT, unable to find a spot for another large perspective shift for my other major character
>realize if I torpedo the assassination shit, make it real, and add in the major character side story I've got the meat I need to round out the storyline
Ever had times where everything was according to keikaku thanks to your brain doing tons of passive thinking for you?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:46:31 2022 No.20318570 >>20318536 Read WNs. Describe a lot of actions in depth, with some sections summarized to denote moments where the fight is too close to tell for a while.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 22:52:49 2022 No.20318596 New thread is up! >>20318590

Anonymous Tue May 3 23:52:43 2022 No.20318756

>>20318515
I said to forget heists, given that Rick And Morty has done a coordinated takedown of the entire genre. That WAS helpful advice.
And then we find out anon knows nothing about the heist genre, nor has any understanding of why he wants to write at all.
I did the best I could with the nothing I was given to work with.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 23:58:08 2022 No.20318769 >>20318756 >given that Rick And Morty has done a coordinated takedown of the entire genre. That WAS helpful advice. Rick and Morty is never helpful advice, you retarded plebbitor.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 3 23:59:09 2022 No.20318774 File: 53 KB, 600x800, 1651635806135.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I said to forget heists, given that Rick And Morty has done a coordinated takedown of the entire genre. That WAS helpful advice.

Anonymous Wed May 4 00:01:38 2022 No.20318781

>>20318756
>And then we find out anon knows nothing about the heist genre
Which is when you offer suggestions.
>nor has any understanding of why he wants to write at all.
I don't recall anyone saying anything about that subject. Do you? What I know is I'm talking to someone doesn't have any understanding of what LitRPGs are.

Anonymous Wed May 4 08:01:15 2022 No.20319947

>>20316959
>It's not even unreadable or anything
It's fucking awful. The storylines are a branching tree of complexity that never reduces in scope, and anything that gets resolved creates two more loose ends. Good guys win, bad guys lose, some new bullshit appears, we meet another five characters on the way towards dealing with it, the plot creeps along, rinse and repeat.

Still better than anything I write, but so is the "literature" on the average toilet door.

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