/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20301843]

Who discovered them?
They werent even famous before 2016/2017 .

[Anonymous No.20301860]

Russians. Dugin especially.

[Anonymous No.20301867]

Internet racists aka chuds

[Anonymous No.20301883]

>>20301843
Steve Bannon likes Guenon and Evola

[Anonymous No.20301886]

>>20301843
Why does it matter? These are not original ideas, they were written by another person. You are not clever or unique for worshipping Guenon

[Anonymous No.20301907]

They were propagated through Iron March. 2015 is about when real life integrated with internet life. The fascist e-circles were already well established and competent at memery, and so were able to reach a broad audience. Conveniently for them, there was a lot of discontent and anger among the population generally, and especially in the right wing. That made for something of a perfect storm for these ideas to spread. Thats why big tech censorship hit hard shortly after the 2016 election

[Anonymous No.20302110]

>>20301843
PBUH

[Anonymous No.20302114]

>>20301843
Guénon was well known in the french speaking world.

[Anonymous No.20302116]

>>20301843
I found Evola before the 2016 bullshit in an occult anthology book call Book of Lies by Richard Metzger. I highly recommend not reading it, it's terrible and worthless aside from the Evola excerpts.

[Anonymous No.20302128]

>>20301843
PBUH

[Anonymous No.20302144]

>>20302114
No its not. Im from Belgium. I didnt know him until 2017. Guenon is rarely discussed in right wing circles.

[Anonymous No.20302157]

>>20301867
fuck you nigger lover

[Anonymous No.20302160]

I found evola in pagan larp group . It was varg who introduced me that.

[Anonymous No.20302176]

>>20301843
2015 was when Europe was infested with immigrants and in the US Obongo was enjoying the presidency for almost 7 years now.
Houllebecq's book "Submission" was published in early January of the same year, he was on the cover of Charlie Hebdo on the day of the shooting.
At the end of the book he mentions Guenon a few times.
The people of both the US and Europe were fed up with the ruling multicultis and globohomos.
Both authors were already discussed online and offline long before, but with GamerGate as the peak for the neo-reactionaries (Moldbug, Land, Dugin even), those who were discontent with the status quo that deemed them unwanted and obsolete, seeked out for an alternative with (at least) some intellectual basis to legitimize their cause beyond the mere "Don't loik em - simpuh ayz".

[Anonymous No.20302180]

>>20302144
he meant france, you think the monkeys in french guiana are literate? same goes for you, tintin

[Anonymous No.20302182]

>>20302144
>Guenon is rarely discussed in right wing circles.
Guénon wasn't a political author, only some english speaking right-wing pseuds shill him in these groups. He is known in France as one of the main esoterists from the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.20302193]

>>20301907
>Iron March
Iron March got Evola from /pol/ and /new/, who in turn got them from various Asatru circles (Asatruar were reading Evola back in the 70s) but yes, this is what really popularized Evola as someone whose ideas people actually knew. Just like how cripchan's /christ/ board created catholarpers, Iron March created internet traditionalism by virtue of creating a huge amount of infrographics that distill the ideas down to really simple points that you can quibble over in 4chan posts.

[Anonymous No.20302196]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnnXKmGQ4nI&ab_channel=ScientificMystic
2:59

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20302200]

>>20302196
I remember watching that video years ago and the /ourguy/ comment made me kek hard
still does

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20302216]

>>20301883
Bannon said that Man and His Becoming According to Vedanta by Guénon was the book that had the most influence on him

[Anonymous No.20302221]

>>20301883
This. Steve Bannon mentioned Evola as one of his sources of inspiration. Some far-right wingers noticed and paid special attention to this, and started reading Evola, and a few of those people also happen to post on 4chan. You know the rest from here.

[Anonymous No.20302247]

>>20301843
>2016/2017
Conspiracy nuts went mainstream in 2016/2017.

[Anonymous No.20302270]

>>20302221
Yeah, I even remember there was a news article that specifically mentioned Bannon reading Evola. Kinda like what the news agencies are doing with Ilyin and Dugin today.

[Anonymous No.20302281]

>>20302221
No, Evola was talked about on 4chan way before Trump got elected. This is the earliest post mentioning "evola" on desuarchive.org's /lit/ wiki, and he's replying to a pic of a dude's bookshelf. It's from 2010.

As >>20302193 said, Pagans were into Evola, and that leaked into /new/ and /pol/, and it leaked into there from here.

[Anonymous No.20302289]

>>20302193
This is true. Neopaganism will always lead to evola

[Anonymous No.20302302]

>>20302281
Of course you'll be able to find instances of people mentioning Evola all the waybback in 2010, but Evola's popularity surged in 2015 and 2016 because of the political situation at the time. If you could create a chart that counts the number of mentions "Evola" and "Guenon" received in each year, I can almost guarantee you that you will see a dramatic increase in 2015 or thereabouts.

[Anonymous No.20302321]

it's encouraging to see the increasing number of Evola audiobooks available in places such as Audible

hopefully we will see the same with Guenon in the coming years

[Anonymous No.20302332]

>>20302302
>but Evola's popularity surged in 2015 and 2016 because of the political situation at the time.
No, it didn't. You weren't here before 2016, so you aren't aware of this.

>If you could create a chart that counts the number of mentions "Evola" and "Guenon" received in each year, I can almost guarantee you that you will see a dramatic increase in 2015 or thereabouts.
If you measure 4chan's total viewcount it increases during 2015 to 2016. The entire reason that Steve Bannon was even namedropping Evola and Guenon was to appeal to Trump's voterbase.
>hurrr durr are you implying that steve bannon read guenon because of /pol/ durrrrr
No, Steve Bannon has never read Guenon, and he has never read Evola. He's a fucking liberal conman who works for Israeli intelligence, of course he has no interest in people like fucking Julius Evola or Rene Guenon. Bannon's entire political career has been in the service of Israel, why the fuck would he read the works of some weird French muslim occultist or some Italian neopagan? What he has an interest in is conning dumb rubes who pick up on names of obscure authors and view these as tokens of tribal membership because they're incapable of actually doing politics. Steve Bannon knows that SAYING that he has read Evola and Guenon will get a certain group of dumbasses to give him money. It works. I view this as a great tragedy, but it is a simple fact.

[Anonymous No.20302343]

>>20301843
It was already a meme before 2016

>>/lit/thread/S7519370
>>/lit/thread/S5936609

[Anonymous No.20302419]

>>20302332
>No, it didn't. You weren't here before 2016, so you aren't aware of this.
Do you know what the word "to surge" means? Yeah, I wasn't on 4chan back in 2016, but I was actively discussing issues like Brexit back then. I wasn't totally out of the loop about what right-wingers were discussing in those years.
>If you measure 4chan's total viewcount it increases during 2015 to 2016. The entire reason that Steve Bannon was even namedropping Evola and Guenon was to appeal to Trump's voterbase
WTF? Why would he namedrop an obscure philosopher in a random news article just so he could potentially garner votes that were already secured? 99.9% eithe haven't heard or don't really care all that much about Evola or Guenon.
>Steve Bannon knows that SAYING that he has read Evola and Guenon will get a certain group of dumbasses to give him money
Well, I understand your viewpoint now.
>>20302343
You can directly count the number of threads that mentioned Evola in each year starting from 2010 and see that he gets more popular as time went on.
2010 = 1 thread
2011 = 6 threads
2012 = 8 threads

[Anonymous No.20302423]

This is the article I was referring to in an earliest post: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/julius-evola-alt-right/517326/

[Anonymous No.20302448]

>>20302419
>people made more threads between 2010 and 2012 as the number of users increased
Wow

[Anonymous No.20302469]

>>20302448
Don't play willfully ignorant. The number of threads on oldtime /lit/ culture, like DFW, has probably decreased in recent years despite that.

[Anonymous No.20302484]

>>20302469
I already showed you posts from 2015 that were talking about Evola being a meme on the board. There's nothing else required to disprove the claim of the OP
>They werent even famous before 2016/2017 .
They were.

[Anonymous No.20302485]

>>20302448
I don't know how else I'm supposed to prove people made more posts about Evola and Guenon after 2015 than before other than simply giving you the data on how many times Evola and Guenon were mentioned in each year. Like, sure, it could be the case that the number of threads about them increased due to new visitors. What sort of evidence do you want?

[Anonymous No.20302496]

>>20302419
>Yeah, I wasn't on 4chan back in 2016, but I was actively discussing issues like Brexit back then. I wasn't totally out of the loop about what right-wingers were discussing in those years.
Then by your own admission you don't know what you're talking about.

>WTF? Why would he namedrop an obscure philosopher in a random news article just so he could potentially garner votes that were already secured?
What the fuck does this have to do with votes? He's not trying to get votes. For whom would the votes be for? Trump? Trump was already elected. Why would you think that votes matter? He worked for Israeli intelligence anon, he KNEW that votes don't matter. What he was trying to do was get money and attention. Steve Bannon went around begging for people to give money to Israel, and he namedropped weirdos like Guenon and Evola TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE to do it. Those people weren't people on 4chan, they were Magapedes on reddit and in Breitbart comments. They gave huge sums of money to him so that he could take a cut, live luxuriously, and send the rest to Israel. Why? Because he crafted a fantasyland for them to live in, and they paid him to do it. That has been his modus operandi since day one.

[Anonymous No.20302498]

>>20302484
2015 was 2016 lite desu

[Anonymous No.20302505]

>>20302485
>people made more posts about Evola and Guenon after 2015 than before
No one is disputing this. What people are disputing is the claim that people only started talking about them after 2016. That has been proven to be false. Tastes change, Evola and Guenon are no longer en vogue, this is normal.

[Anonymous No.20302518]

>>20302496
>Then by your own admission you don't know what you're talking about.
Do you realize that 4chan is not some super secret club whose archives are only able to be accessed by a select few? Jeez, man.
>worked for Israeli intelligence anon, he KNEW that votes don't matter. What he was trying to do was get money and attention
Ah, well, I don't know a lot about Bannon except from what I've heard from other people. I just wanted to remark about the article where he mentioned Evola (which is incidentally where I also first heard of Evola).

[Anonymous No.20302527]

>>20302485
You can divide by the total number of threads

[Anonymous No.20302536]

>>20302505
I wanted to interpret OP's assertion more charitably by rephrasing his question as "Why did Evola and Guenon become so popular in the years 2016 and 2017?" not "Why did exactly zero people on /lit/ mentioned Evola before 2016?"

[Anonymous No.20302542]

>>20302536
>Why did exactly zero people on /lit/ mentioned Evola before 2016?"
That's not what not being famous means. It sounds like you're just really bad at reading.

[Anonymous No.20302544]

>>20302527
I can't find the total number of threads on warosu. I counted the threads by putting a start date and an end date and then counting the number of pages of search results there were (so, assuming one page has 24 threads, 3 pages of Evola threads would amount to 72 threads)

[Anonymous No.20302561]

>>20302542
>It sounds like you're just really bad at reading.
That's how previous posters interpreted the question. As if a single thread mentioning Evola back in 2010 means he was famous back then.

[Anonymous No.20302584]

>>20302561
No, they were interpreting it as "people were talking about Evola prior to 2016", which is what the thread is about.

[Anonymous No.20302779]

Evola - 2016 via /pol/
Guénon - 2019 via guenonfag

[Anonymous No.20302837]

Why is it that none of the people who embody right-wing ubermensches was actually influenced by them?

No one who embodies the ubermensch, fit 6'0 chad archetype says "yeah, I was inspired to be this way by Evola/Nietzsche/Ayn Rand." And then all of the people who DO consider themselves inspired by Evola/Nietzsche/Rand are all limpwristed neckbeards.

[Anonymous No.20302856]

>>20302114
So was Evola through Eliade and Codreanu.

[Anonymous No.20302866]

>>20301843
dark enlightenment blogs from the early 2010s

[Anonymous No.20302887]

>>20302837
You have less-than-zero understanding of what the overman was supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.20302988]

>>20301843
Squidward Against the Modern World

[Anonymous No.20303025]

>>20302779
>tfw guenon fag changed the course of history

[Anonymous No.20303028]

>>20302837
Nigga what, just go follow BAP twitter.

[Anonymous No.20303044]

>>20303025
there was a period where the catalog was so fuckin funny

[Anonymous No.20303052]

>>20302837
This community is still very much in it's infant stages of understanding most people have made a commitment to be better, it takes time. As for me, I've long been on the journey, the thing is what is considered "chad" varies by many, I've been referred to as a chad irl because I'm quite fit and am known for being a very good boxer in my community, but there's plenty more I have to do.

[Anonymous No.20303073]

>>20302837
This is your brain on memes.

[Anonymous No.20303077]

>>20303044
I remember seeing half the threads having pictures of guenon I was so confused

[Anonymous No.20303085]

>>20303077
then the other half were pictures of people like Whitehead or Jordan Peterson with the subject
>*Retroactively refuted by Guénon

topkek
unironically peak 4chan

[Anonymous No.20303098]

>>20301843
I.

[Anonymous No.20303105]

>>20301843
A lot of books and people we see mentioned toady were basically forgotten before 2016/17 to now. Lately a lot of right wing books have been starting to get published which were virtually unkown/inaccessible before. Take Darre's a new nobility of blood and soil for example. No English translation was widely available even though it is one of the main works of the blood and soil concept. Last year a translation came out however. We have acutally been seeing kind of a renaissance of far-right works in the last few years.

[Anonymous No.20303116]

>>20303105
>We have acutally been seeing kind of a renaissance of far-right works in the last few years.
the organism has fully adapted

[Anonymous No.20303129]

>>20302866
This is the correct answer although Evola appears in a footnote on a post on Moldbug's blog from 2008 so Evola's enterance into common recognition begins at around that point.
I don't know who to look at that's earlier than Moldbug who would be in the right political paradigm to care about Evola. 2008 is super early in "Alt-Right" thought, so early that the term would be almost anachronistic to use.
The people concerned with Evola before then would be actual academics whose political or sociological studies would make him relavent or meat-space political ideosyncratics with ties to the post-war continental european right where Evola persisted as apart of the ideological canon.
Mainstream exposure begins around the turn of 2010 when those people or people influenced by them began to proliferate their books.
Guenon I remember hearing about even before then and his name was more widely known although I couldn't tell you to what extant then vs now.

[Anonymous No.20303140]

>>20303028
>romanian immigrant whose (rich/spy) parents fled communism and put him through top universities
>promotes glorified instathot lifestyle of travel and bodybuilder larping (minus the selfies)
>most likely vaxxed so he can continue travelling while never working
>shills for the mongol untermensch neo-communism because he's femininely drawn to what he perceives as a strong daddy figure
>won't actually go live in the based aids abortion suicide ridden multi-ethnic steppe utopia
>now tries to dilute race & ethnicity to appeal to his mutt audience and make his rootless cosmopolitanism less obvious

sure, sounds legit
definitely not concerning how bap twitter is now also the main promoter of the darkMaga qtard 2-more-weeks gigacope, not at all

[Anonymous No.20303176]

just like baneposting it was one guy spamming them endlessly until it gained traction

[Anonymous No.20303227]

>>20301843

[Anonymous No.20303238]

>>20303227
THE.
GREATEST.
MANIFESTATION.
OF.
TRUTH.
(PBUH).

[Anonymous No.20303243]

>>20301843

[Anonymous No.20303250]

>>20303129
>>20302866
Moldbug got ahold of Evola from the same source that /pol/ and /new/ did: Iron March infographics. They got ahold of him from the Pagan scene that had been reading him since he was alive and they were discussing this stuff with him in person. Here's Robert N. Taylor (lead singer for Changes) talking about being a White Nationalist Pagan back in the 70s/80s. They were reading him back then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4qxMVMdkg0

Michael Moynihan (From Blood Axis) was also reading Evola back in the 90s before Iron March came along. A quick google search shows that he (Moynihan) was reading Evola sometime before 1998 (http://drugie.here.ru/achtung/bloodeng.htm).). The song itself was part of the Cavalcare la Tigre album, released in 1998, which is a composite of various Militant Industrial and Neofolk artists's works. Annabelle Lee, of Blood Axis, also did her own translations of Evola's works and released them with Dominion Press (which appears to have since gone under; "Dominion Press" is also an unrelated Christian Fundie publisher), and Moynihan also edited two of these translations sometime before 2013. Finally, Moynihan, in 1995, was
>[...]trying to arrange for the English translation of certain works by the Italian occultist and political philosopher Julius Evola
https://4ibrecords.com/2013/04/24/blood-axis-interview-by-wulfing-one-esoterra-5-1995/


Varg was reading him 2009 (https://brill.com/view/journals/nu/58/4/article-p514_3.xml?Tab%20Menu=article-metadata)), which while post-dating Moldbug, requires us to ask the question: would Varg ever read Moldbug? I doubt it. So Varg introduced >>20302160 to Evola, but who introduced Varg? Some other Pagan, sometime before 2009.

[Anonymous No.20303255]

>>20303243
I posted that

[Anonymous No.20303257]

>>20303255
/lit/ history.

[Anonymous No.20303266]

>>20301843
whats the big deal about guenon?

[Anonymous No.20303274]

>>20303243
He is without a doubt a Time traveler . Nobody really knows schuon that early.

[Anonymous No.20303288]

>>20303266
There was one time on lit (2019 i think) where the board al of sudden was full of guenon pictures. Although nobody really knows how guenon became famous at the first place.

[Anonymous No.20303299]

>>20303266
>whats the big deal about guenon?

Rene Guenon is the most correct, smartest and most important person of the twentieth century. There was no smarter, deeper, clearer, absolute Guenon and probably could not be. It is no coincidence that the French traditionalist René Allé in one collection dedicated to R. Guenon compared Guenon with Marx. It would seem that there are completely different, opposite figures. Guenon is a conservative hyper-traditionalist. Marx is a revolutionary innovator, a radical overthrower of traditions. But Rene Halle rightly guessed the revolutionary message of each of Guenon's statements, the extreme, cruel noncomformity of his position, which turns everything and everything upside down, the radical nature of his thought.

The fact is that René Guenon is the only author, the only thinker of the twentieth century, and maybe many, many centuries before that, who not only identified and confronted with each other secondary language paradigms, but also put into question the very essence of language. The language of Marxism was methodologically very interesting, subtly reducing the historical existence of mankind to a clear and convincing formula for confronting labor and capital. Being a great paradigmatic success, Marxism was so popular and won the minds of the best intellectuals of the twentieth century. But R. Guenon is an even more fundamental generalization, an even more radical removal of masks, an even broader worldview contestation, putting everything into question.

- Aleksandr Dugin

Guénon undermined and then; with uncompromising intellectual rigour, demolished all the assumptions taken for granted by modern man, that is to say Western or westernised man. Many others had been critical of the direction taken by European civilization since the so-called 'Renaissance', but none had dared to be as radical as he was or to re-assert with such force the principles and values which Western culture had consigned to the rubbish tip of history. His theme was the 'primordial tradition' or Sofia perennis, expressed-so he maintained-both in ancient mythologies and in the metaphysical doctrine at the root of the great religions. The language of this Tradition was the language of symbolism, and he had no equal in his interpretation of this symbolism. Moreover he turned the idea of human progress upside down, replacing it with the belief almost universal before the modern age, that humanity declines in spiritual excellence with the passage of time and that we are now in the Dark Age which precedes the End, an age in which all the possibilities rejected by earlier cultures have been spewed out into the world, quantity replaces quality and decadence approaches its final limit. No one who read him and understood him could ever be quite the same again.

- Gai Eaton

[Anonymous No.20303303]

>>20303299

René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”
—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein

“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery

“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death

“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World

“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey

[Anonymous No.20303320]

>>20303303

“In a world increasingly rife with heresy and pseudo-religion, Guénon had to remind twentieth century man of the need for orthodoxy, which presupposes firstly a Divine Revelation and secondly a Tradition that has handed down with fidelity what Heaven has revealed. He thus restores to orthodoxy its true meaning, rectitude of opinion which compels the intelligent man not only to reject heresy but also to recognize the validity of faiths other than his own if they also are based on the same two principles, Revelation and Tradition.”
—Martin Lings, author of Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions

“If during the last century or so there has been even some slight revival of awareness in the Western world of what is meant by metaphysics and metaphysical tradition, the credit for it must go above all to Guénon. At a time when the confusion into which modern Western thought had fallen was such that it threatened to obliterate the few remaining traces of genuine spiritual knowledge from the minds and hearts of his contemporaries, Guénon, virtually single-handed, took it upon himself to reaffirm the values and principles which, he recognized, constitute the only sound basis for the living of a human life with dignity and purpose or for the formation of a civilization worthy of the name.”
—Philip Sherrard, author of Christianity: Lineaments of a Sacred Tradition

“Apart from his amazing flair for expounding pure metaphysical doctrine and his critical acuteness when dealing with the errors of the modern world, Guénon displayed a remarkable insight into things of a cosmological order. . . . He all along stressed the need, side by side with a theoretical grasp of any given doctrine, for its concrete—one can also say its ontological—realization failing which one cannot properly speak of knowledge.”
—Marco Pallis, author of A Buddhist Spectrum

“Guénon’s mission was two-fold: to reveal the metaphysical roots of the ‘crisis of the modern world’ and to explain the ideas behind the authentic and esoteric teachings that still [remain] alive.”
—Harry Oldmeadow, author of Traditionalism: Religion in the Light of the Perennial Philosophy

"René Guénon should certainly be considered a Master of our times. His contributions to the "world of Tradition", of symbols and of metaphysical teachings, are truly invaluable."
—Julius Evola, author of Eros and the Mysteries of Love: The Metaphysics of Sex.

[Anonymous No.20303330]

>>20301843
>Who discovered them?
prince charles

[Anonymous No.20303335]

>>20302544
I wish warosu admin would upload a db dump, can't scrape his /lit/ thanks to cloudflare.

[Anonymous No.20303342]

>>20301843
Guenon and Evola have been steadily recommended since I started browsing lit in 2012. It's just recently that autistic spammers have latched on to them and made them lame by association.

[Anonymous No.20303343]

>>20303299
>>20303303
>all guenonians

"Saint thomas is the most incredible philosopher of all time"
- 10 thomists

[Anonymous No.20303367]

>>20303343
seething

[Anonymous No.20303378]

>>20303250
Thanks for the info. I've never been into the neo-pagan side of the right so anything to do with them will be a huge hole in my knowledge.

[Anonymous No.20303393]

>>20303378
Pagan Imperialism by Evola was popular in Satanic and Black Metal circles for a while

unironically his worst book

[Anonymous No.20303417]

>>20303129
>The people concerned with Evola before then would be actual academics whose political or sociological studies would make him relavent or meat-space political ideosyncratics with ties to the post-war continental european right where Evola persisted as apart of the ideological canon.
Jocelyn Godwin and some other guy wrote a novel called The Forbidden Book. The story's villain is based on Julius Evola, and there is a sub-plot where far-right wingers go around bombing cathedrals all across Europe to false flag as muslim terrorism. I checked the inside cover and found out the book was originally published in 2011. Of course, things haven't become that extreme, but I was a bit surprised that Godwin predicted the rise of far-right activism and the reemergence in popularity of Julius Evola.

[Anonymous No.20303437]

>>20303417
>but I was a bit surprised that Godwin predicted the rise of far-right activism
I don't remeber the time when right wingers bombed cathedrals all over Europe and blamed muslims.

[Anonymous No.20303445]

>>20303437
soon brother

[Anonymous No.20303448]

>>20303437
Well duh, that's why I said "things haven't become that extreme."

[Anonymous No.20303471]

>>20303417
sounds based af

[Anonymous No.20303519]

>>20301843
I knew him through Eliade

[Anonymous No.20303623]

>>20303227
kek

[Anonymous No.20303653]

>>20301843
>>20303250
Evola was read in the neo-pagan circles of the Nouvelle Droite and the GRECE in the 70's, I think it spreaded from there to other european and north american neo-pagans.

[Anonymous No.20303674]

>>20303653
He was also always widely read in Italy where he was a major figure in the MSI and related "neofascist" movements

Evola has always been around, and contrary to what /lit/ thinks, /lit/ has always been around too. /lit/ in the 80s and 90s was just a few guys at the local "weird" bookstore who read this shit and talked about it. Basically the same as /lit/ now, where you learn about strange peripheral stuff over time, like that one occultist who thinks Lovecraft as a prophet seeing real visions instead of just making shit up, or the Larouche people, or the John Birch society. You would think /lit/ being more people and being more networked would accelerate it, but everyone is much more shallow, so it covers about the same amount of "weird stuff" ground as your group of 5 or 6 loners at the bookstore in the mid 90s did. Maybe a little less, since /lit/ is more easily taken by retarded fads.

[Anonymous No.20303761]

>>20303674
>like that one occultist who thinks Lovecraft as a prophet seeing real visions instead of just making shit up
Fuck is he still around? I wanna hang out with him

[Anonymous No.20304034]

>>20301843

You must be new here. The Iron Pill MS Paint comics that were quite popular on /pol/ around 2012 or 2013 were explicitly Evola-themed.

[Anonymous No.20304046]

Unironically Olavo de Carvalho. His students or listeners (some I suppose) browse here and shilled him here. That's my hypothesis.

[Anonymous No.20304173]

When /pol/ opened I learned about De Maistre and Spengler.
Soon it lead to Evola and Guenon. Keep in mind that Guenon was known among theoryfags and students in France. Mostly as a zany guy, but he was cited, authors knew about him.

[Anonymous No.20304551]

>>20301843
>evola wasnt famous before 2016
You need to be 18 to post on this website

[Anonymous No.20304743]

>>20302221
Bannon stated that Evola was an inspiration to white Christian men, but it's pretty clear that Bannon never even read any of his work because he would have known that Evola hated Christianity.

[Anonymous No.20304912]

evola was popular in certain far right and occultist circles before that time period

[Anonymous No.20304913]

>>20302176
>GamerGate
stopped reading there lmao

[Anonymous No.20304999]

>>20302196
>>20302200
>/ourguy/ comment made me kek hard
>implying he isn't
The store belongs to Chuck. And they hated him for that.

[Anonymous No.20305003]

>>20301883
iirc some British royal liked Guenon

[Anonymous No.20305040]

>>20302144
>Guenon is rarely discussed in right wing circles.
because he become muslim

[Anonymous No.20305047]

>>20301843
If you go on Guenon's wiki and look under "influenced" you'll find a lot of names, but I don't know any of them as being names that the alt-right invoke a lot. This suggests Guenon has been influential for a long time, but only recently a few alt-righters have decided to prop him up as being key figure behind their views.

But a lot of the discussion about Guenon on here seems to be less about his politics and more about his metaphysics, often as an opposing voice against scientific realism, and in fact in his attacks on the quantification of everything in our society many far-right people seem to dislike him because his views go against their beloved racial realism and IQ tests.

[Anonymous No.20305074]

>>20301867
>>20301860
>>20301883
>>20301907
>>20302160
>>20302193
>>20302216
>>20302221
>>20302270
>>20302247
>>20304173
Wouldn't Guenon have hated the alt-right? Didn't he specifically warn against people like them using his message in a totally vapid way?

[Anonymous No.20305086]

>>20301843
>>20305047
>If you go on Guenon's wiki and look under "influenced" you'll find a lot of names, but I don't know any of them as being names that the alt-right invoke a lot.
Indeed, that's mainly because those authors with whom Guénon had more in common, are usually not translated to english. In all of Guénon's books published during his life, there is not even one mention of Evola, while there are countless mentions of Fabre d'Olivet, Saint-Yves, Matgioi, Abdul-Hâdi/Ivan Aguéli and others. I am not saying that Evola didn't had ideas in common with Guénon, ofc he did but putting him next to Guénon almost every single time is unfair and confusing.

[Anonymous No.20305209]

>>20305074
no

[Anonymous No.20305314]

>>20305209
Ah yes of course Hulk Hogan is the embodiment of Guenon's philosophy.

[Anonymous No.20305334]

>>20305314
explain this tweet then

[Anonymous No.20305345]

>>20305209
>>20305334
thanks for scaring away the effort post users

[Anonymous No.20305346]

>>20305334
Comedy gold

[Anonymous No.20305431]

>>20305334
based

[Anonymous No.20305446]

>>20303299
>Aleksandr Dugin said
not the compliment you think it is

>Dugin says trans rights
https://files.catbox.moe/4jif15.MP4
>Dugin loves kabbalah
https://files.catbox.moe/abfi5j.mp4
>Eurasian maniac Dugin says Judeo-Marxist Anthropologists are his "masters"
https://files.catbox.moe/dn3suy.mp4
>Putin's former advisor Aleksandr Dugin at Satanic Ritual
https://files.catbox.moe/u5fkko.mp4
>Dugin in a Kabbalistic faggot movie
https://worldtruthvideos.website/watch/alexander-dugin-stars-in-kabbalistic-fag-movie_c5CWiP7rMfdB4J1.html
>Aleksandr Dugin Wants His Eurasian Empire to Conquer All Europe
https://youtu.be/o9gPJPiPvSw?t=13 [Embed] [Embed]
>Dugin thinks Africans can be Russian
https://files.catbox.moe/26qn06.mp4
>Alexander Dugin Loves Kabbalah
https://youtu.be/oetjwBXqgZ0 [Embed] [Embed]

[Anonymous No.20305467]

>>20305334
Guénon is a Hulkamaniac

[Dago No.20305548]

>>20302779
This was my path too kek
What’s funny is that I did not realize how much Evola referenced Guenon in his works until my second time around reading him after becoming Guenonpilled.

Guenon magazine on /lit/ was the funniest thing of all time. I feel honored to be a contributor PBUH

[Anonymous No.20305568]

>>20305446
So what? Evola also supported transrights

[Anonymous No.20305753]

how did guenonfag stumble across guenon is the bigger question

[guenonfag No.20305807]

>>20305753
I dreamt his name and then I searched it on google

[Anonymous No.20305811]

>>20305807
based

[Anonymous No.20306008]

>>20305334
Heil Hitler

[Anonymous No.20306199]

>>20301907
IronMarch and its predecessor site are where I first heard of Evola and Guenon. Funnily enough, it was reading Guenon that turned me away from fascism and National Socialism.

[dago No.20306243]

>>20306199
>it was reading Guenon that turned me away from fascism and National Socialism.
based
me 2

[Anonymous No.20306539]

>>20301843
It's mostly the New Right looking for an intellectual foundation for their views and taking scraps from here and there, trying to build up a coherent scheme.

[guenonfag No.20306545]

>>20306199
>Funnily enough, it was reading Guenon that turned me away from fascism and National Socialism.
for me it was Evola and after Guenon

[Anonymous No.20306555]

>>20306545
fuck, forgot to remove the name

[Anonymous No.20306599]

>>20306545
'notes on the third reich' was a huge redpill

[Anonymous No.20306601]

>>20302180
>tintin
Kek

[Anonymous No.20306662]

>>20301843
I'm not really that interested in the political stuff, their esotericism is my main interest. Particularly Evola, since he delves into practice, but doesn't forget the goal, unlike other larpers.

[Anonymous No.20306767]

>>20306599
yeah
>be me
>read notes on the third reich because it was mentioned in an Iron March pdf as the source of Himmler's pan-europeanism
>read the book
>realize that NS is pleb ideology
How did Slavros even think that his syncretism of such diverse sources will last as a worldview for people who actually read the main sources? Is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.20306894]

>>20306767
what kind of BS was slavros spewing?
I never got involved with iron march shit but saw him being talked about on /pol/ back in the day

[Anonymous No.20307010]

they have always been big in neofascist circles in Italy at least. picrel is a mural in the ex CasaPound hallway which is a very /lit/ mix of authors although 4chan has nothing to do with it..
evola and guenon were definitely famous before 2016/17. evola especially, just look at the impact he had on the far right during the years of lead - more famous than he is today if you change echo chamber, since when you say "famous" you mean it only in relation to the specific entirely online echo chamber you find yourself in now

[Anonymous No.20307026]

>>20307010
just realized you can't see guenon in that pic, so here's one where you can. and there was also other walls covered in typical basedboy authors

[Anonymous No.20307058]

>>20307010
>>20307026
Very cool, thanks
I'm a burger but I always found CasaPound to be the most interesting political party in Europe

I think the name stinks tho

[Anonymous No.20307065]

>>20305074
Probably.

[Anonymous No.20307088]

>>20306894
>what kind of BS was slavros spewing?
Fascism is dharma/universal truth, our heroes are Hitler, James Mason, Wiliam Luther Pierce, Serrano, Rockwell, Mussolini, Evola, Guenon, Junger.
if you disagree with us, you are an idiot

[Anonymous No.20307120]

>>20307058
they're named after Ezra pound, and the "casa-" part, which means house, refers to the fact that originally they were not a party (which they aren't anymore btw) but an occupied building (where the pics are from) where several families used to live and where all sorts of cultural activities were held (book launches, live music, a radio station, raves, talks, etc) along with political organising of course..
they are famous for being the first explicitly fascist social center / occupied squat of this kind, but outside of the Anglosphere this kind of grassroots and actually engaged (and fun) political activity is very widespread. most Mediterranean / European cities will have at least half a dozen such autonomous social centers which are culturally active and politically militant (plus often socially engaged in the local community, as CasaPound pretended to be as well) although you'll find that 99% of them are explicitly far left

[Anonymous No.20307134]

>>20307120
ur italian im guessing?
>most Mediterranean / European cities will have at least half a dozen such autonomous social centers which are culturally active and politically militant
that's interesting as hell
didn't know that was a thing
>although you'll find that 99% of them are explicitly far left
damn!

[Anonymous No.20307172]

>tfw been here for 10 years and never read either guenon or evola

[Anonymous No.20307440]

>>20307172
start with guenon

[Anonymous No.20307475]

>>20307172
start with guenon

[Anonymous No.20307669]

>>20303140
you left out
>5' 5''

[Anonymous No.20307680]

>>20307669
actually?

[Anonymous No.20307968]

>>20305334
holy based…

[Anonymous No.20307973]

>>20305334
>mfw it's real

[Anonymous No.20307993]

>>20305334
uhmmmm.....hylicbros?!

[Anonymous No.20308048]

>>20305334
lmao

[Anonymous No.20308274]

>>20306767
What makes it even funnier is that Slavros, after the Devon Arthurs shooting, took a hard line stance against Islam and white converts, but still continued to promote Guenon and, to a lesser extent, other Traditionalist who converted to Islam.

>>20307088
In fairness to Alex, he may have been "eccentric", but a lot of his, and Common Filth's, critiques of the radical right/alt-right were dead on. He's probably more accurate now than he was when Iron March was still up.

[Anonymous No.20308308]

>>20301843
chyu mean? litfags who like obscure conservative writers are not a new phenomenon

[Anonymous No.20308317]

>>20305334
Based Hulkster.

[Anonymous No.20308331]

>>20305334
impossibly based

[Anonymous No.20308373]

>>20305334
HH brother

[Anonymous No.20308436]

>>20308274
Just googled Slavros
Wtf. He is latino mutt

[Anonymous No.20308516]

>>20308436
Slavros is a Uzbek-Russian whose real name is Alisher Mukhitdinov. Alex is a close relative, possibly the grandson, of Nuritdin Mukhitdinov.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuritdin_Mukhitdinov
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/02/04/how-a-moscow-man-from-an-uzbek-family-started-the-world-s-biggest-neo-nazi-forum

[Anonymous No.20308620]

>>20306767

You're viewing the question as an intellectual, not as a political activist. I found during my time in the NS movement of my country that activists had either read all the primary sources themselves before joining, or didn't read anything at all and identified with the movement for practical reasons. For the latter group Slavros' works provided a nice minimum of understanding and orientation. Squire's Trial, Zero Tolerance and Next Leap are particularly good in shaking the reader out of the default liberal worldview and explaining basic Traditionalist and NS concepts in an easy to understand way.

[Anonymous No.20308688]

>>20308516
>Have uzbek dna
>Hate islam but praise guenon
This nigga trippin
Btw his skin is brown. Nowhere near seen to be white. If he visits mexico. Nobody will notice if he is from russia

[Anonymous No.20308754]

>>20308516
da fuq
he is buck broken

[Anonymous No.20308802]

>>20305334
All the Hulksters know that Hulk Hogan (PBUH) was a follower of Rene Guenon (PBUH)

[Anonymous No.20308803]

>>20303266
read and find out

[Anonymous No.20308825]

>>20308802
There are only two men who are worthy to be (PBUH)ed: the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and Abdel Wâhed Yahiâ (formerly Rene Guenon (PBUH) (PBUH)

[Anonymous No.20308833]

>>20308825
Are you asking for a smackdown brother?

[Anonymous No.20308897]

>>20302837
kys tranny

[Anonymous No.20309042]

>>20303140
Yeah and his followers are more fit than you. Anon said right wingers are all fat and ugly. BAP twitter proves that wrong.

[Anonymous No.20309513]

all i know is it was real annoying seeing him and i never read him and i never cared

[Anonymous No.20309994]

People in Brazil had been organizing "Evolian Meetings" since 2010.

[Anonymous No.20310110]

>>20301843
>Who discovered them?
Glowies

[Anonymous No.20310306]

>werent famous before 2015
>this niggerfaggot doesnt know about iron pill

[Anonymous No.20310384]

>>20310306
>this niggerfaggot doesnt know about iron pill
Sad!

[Anonymous No.20310826]

>>20301860
It's this. Dugin -> Slavros -> Ironmarch -> Fascist circles online circa 2014

[Anonymous No.20310842]

>>20305334
B A S E D
A
S
E
D

[Anonymous No.20310860]

>>20301907
>Big Tech consolidated power to defeat me, a weird terminally online nazi, from shitposting
I will never stop laughing at the schizophrenic narcissism of /pol/niggers, holy shit.

[Anonymous No.20310878]

>>20310860
he's absolutely right tho

[Anonymous No.20310880]

Who was worse: guenonfag or Bukowskifag?

[Anonymous No.20310891]

>>20310880
Seethefag (You) was worse

[Anonymous No.20310907]

>>20310891
Not seething, just laughing

[Anonymous No.20310921]

>>20310878
He's conflating very small neo-fascist circles with a broader trend of American right-wing populism. One could subscribe to the latter without any knowledge of the former. In the middle of these was the so-called "alt right" which as far as I can tell has been dead for several years, and that energy has moved on to promoting atavistic religious-themed copes because opposition was too effective. Within a purely political space there were lots of competing authors and voices, concerns about efficacy and argument and optics, and so forth. But the shift to religion removes most of those and allows one to be even more performative and self-therapeutic.

[Anonymous No.20310959]

>>20310921
They are just using religion as a mask to hide behind and an aesthetic(ie some loser that can’t talk to girls says he’s religious and aesthetic, so he doesn’t have to explain to his parents why he’s single)

[Anonymous No.20310976]

>>20310959
There has always been an (excess) population of unmarried men who are consumed by religious outlets and that is not wrong in itself. The error is the vicious ressentiment these types carry as they perform these cargo cult identities. How many of them are willing to actually become monastics or priests of the religion(s) they dabble in?

[Anonymous No.20310978]

>>20301843
He’s more relevant outside of the Anglosphere. Del Noce cited Guenon in the 1960s-80s. He had some really interesting things to say about him, but Del Noce was ultimately sour on the kind of traditionalism that Guenon stands for, accusing it of being “trapped in its own world of perfection,” and therefore “precludes itself from having any effective impact, is cut off, seems to have no influence on the world it intends to criticize, and seeks consolation in the chatter of archaic and decadent salons.” I.e., Del Noce called him a 4chan meme in the 80s.

[Anonymous No.20311009]

>>20310976
I agree. It’s resentment that separates the truly religious from the “tradcath”(or other similar types). The latter are doing more harm to religion than any atheist can

[Anonymous No.20311015]

>>20311009
If they were serious they could take over the church. All the priests are elderly and they are in their 20s and 30s. But they aren't serious.

[Anonymous No.20311038]

>>20311015
Yeah. It’s interesting seeing how many got into the church to gain power in the past, to those using religion as a veneer to cover up their powerlessness today. Somewhere along the line, shit became inverted. This doesn’t apply to those who are truly religious, who don’t ooze hatred and resentment

[Anonymous No.20311269]

>>20301883
Steve Bannon is pretty based for a boomer

[Anonymous No.20311381]

>>20301843
The key event was Gamergate unironically. Evola and to a much lesser extent Guenon had been popular on 4chan (even /lit/, anyone remember Evolakid?) Ironmarch, Salo, NRX blogs, etc. but Gamergate eventually exposed a much larger group to their thought by way of said sites - namely, the "right wing" of New Atheism. Said people decided they really didn't like Social Justice. This coincided with real-world events like the migrant crisis in Europe and the Fifth Great Awakening / Civil Rights 2.0 in the US.

Basically, people were looking for SOMETHING that could be used against Social Justice and New Atheism wasn't cutting it. However, as we've seen, Traditionalism a la Guenon or Evola isn't really accomplishing much, either and neither are the e-Christian lapers who came out of 8/Christ/. The problem is, in my opinion, that most of these people are insincere, they really just dislike Social Justice at the end of the day, but for those of us in the West, our religious tradition, Christianity, birthed Social Justice. Indeed, I suspect that by the 22nd Century left-wing politics will have been fully "baptized" by the Church.

[Anonymous No.20311568]

>>20310860
So what was the purpose of mass censorship if not to censor opposition?

[Anonymous No.20311584]

>>20311381
Most traditionalist figureheads don’t care about changing the world, more so they care about you maintaining character and riding things out until it gets better, there is no intention of “competing” with social justice wars to win the “culture war” or whatnot only neo-cons are dumb enough try

[Anonymous No.20311595]

>>20311584
I know I'm only talking about their popularity on the Internet.

[Anonymous No.20312025]

>>20311381
>Basically, people were looking for SOMETHING that could be used against Social Justice and New Atheism wasn't cutting it. However, as we've seen, Traditionalism a la Guenon or Evola isn't really accomplishing much, either and neither are the e-Christian lapers who came out of 8/Christ/.
Sincere master morality paganism is the only way, but that will never happen.

[Anonymous No.20312050]

>>20310959
>>20310976
>>20311009
>>20311015
>>20311038
>Pope Francis contradicts church policy and spouts constant leftist bullshit undermining the Catholic faith
>*crickets*
>Trad LARPers on the internet bitch on twitter and 4chan
>"They're ruining religion with their hatred and resentment!"
Modern Catholicism is a joke.

[Anonymous No.20312068]

>>20312050
I’m not Christian. Just pointing out a major trend. I give zero fucks about Pope Francis but I see E-Christians on here all the time

[Anonymous No.20313045]

>>20311015
>If they were serious they could take over the church
You're unironically correct. This is why 80% of Seminarians are LGBT.


>>20310860
Iron March went down because of a CIA operation to discredit them.

>>20311381
>>20311584
>>20312025
The problem is that Social Justice is just Anti-White and Jewish, so no matter what you do anything that doesn't come down to
>White people have an explicit right to exist and maintain political and cultural sovereignty
will be toothless because whatever meme shield you come up with can be danced around. You see this with stuff like Sedevacantism which can very easily be subverted (the American Orthodox Church devotes most of its funding to trying to convert Niggers).

[Anonymous No.20313977]

>>20310921

I disagree - viewing the struggle for the West in spiritual terms is a positive and natural turn. What typified the Alt-Right above all was the fact that it was (1) predominantly online, (2) obsessed with irony and humor, and (3) open to pretty much anyone, of any persuasion to the right of mainstream conservatism.

It therefore fundamentally lacked seriousness, or even any coherence, and as a result there were "lots of competing authors and voices, concerns about efficacy and argument and optics, and so forth". But an unserious movement based on 4chan memes with no coherent ideas could never survive in the real world political struggle. And so the whole thing blew to pieces by 2018.

Spirituality and religious feelings, far from being copes, are what allow individuals and whole movements to survive the vicious struggle against the liberal state and its ideological auxiliaries. If you're not an integrated individual with a real personality (in the sense that Evola uses) and a stable centre within yourself then you will be utterly destroyed by the pressure. You quickly learn that relying on anything external is a fool's paradise. Everything that most people rely on to orientate themselves and provide meaning - career, wealth, liberty, property, friends and family - can be taken from you at any time.

Spiritual development alone can create that centre within yourself that allows you to draw strength from that level of struggle, rather than collapsing and yielding to the enemy. It's a very real force that's much more than morale or self-belief.

[Anonymous No.20314113]

>>20313977
>Spirituality and religious feelings, far from being copes, are what allow individuals and whole movements to survive the vicious struggle against the liberal state and its ideological auxiliaries.
Tough words for bayraktar bait. If you just view religion as a lever to pull for material or political gains you are the same sort of rot you would claim to be cleaning away. And you don't need to read these polemical theorists to have your "find your center" and "just B.E. yourself" bit either. In fact, your aversion to "relying on anything external" is just a warped version of the American ethic, the one that birthed the system you oppose! What is traditional is social networks, communal ties, that sort of thing. Not studying various scriptures to piece together a custom pseudo-religious ideology that you do nothing with because you aren't a priest, village headsman, party leader, or other local notable.

[Anonymous No.20314179]

I remember first seeing Evola on some "how to deal with existential dread" chart someone made years ago.

[Anonymous No.20314764]

>>20301843
Dutton rekt Evola on Rad Thot Philosophicat's stream today. Word salad sorcerer btfo with facts and logic

[Anonymous No.20314772]

>>20311595
fair enough, I get where you're coming from, I really hope these traditionalists figures don't get propped up for the reasons you were predicting. The cinders of traditionalist thought have been ever so slowly kindling over the past years, it would be a shame for it to be utilized in such manner.

[Anonymous No.20314790]

>>20314179
I actually managed to find it.

[Anonymous No.20314837]

>>20303098
what a stone cold chad
unironically

[Anonymous No.20314859]

>>20302144
Well he's more known than in the English countries.

[Anonymous No.20314946]

guenon and stream entry threads from 2018-19 really boosted my morale for a while

[Anonymous No.20315201]

>>20314790
am I retarded or do I not see him there, with that said I know what picture you are referring to anon.

[Anonymous No.20315218]

>>20315201
under the ideology part

[Anonymous No.20315248]

>>20315218
oh shid I see it now

[Anonymous No.20315559]

>>20305074
He already not on board with whatever Evola had as a political project, let alone the alt-right. He would be happy that some of his sentiment is shared by people in the 21st century. He would say that it just isn't what he was about.

He would also not be happy that people can track his granddaugher via facebook.

[Anonymous No.20315794]

>>20313045
>You see this with stuff like Sedevacantism which can very easily be subverted (the American Orthodox Church devotes most of its funding to trying to convert Niggers).
source?

[Anonymous No.20315816]

>>20314859
kek, filed with the other mussulmans

[Anonymous No.20315969]

>>20301843
Evola has been popular with Thelemites and especially Kenneth Grant since forever

[Anonymous No.20316291]

>>20305334
wtf it's actually real

[Anonymous No.20316314]

>>20305446
>10s clip
kys nigger

[Anonymous No.20316323]

>>20301843
They were already famous among the far right.

>>20301860
LOL. Dugin only knew him because he was influenced by Fascist culture.

[Anonymous No.20316345]

>>20301843

Legit answer:

The rise of /pol/ has led to the popularity. Pre-2010 you could get rightist lit like Guenon, Evola, Mishima, Devi, etc etc etc for pennies, but now they cost a fortune. These writers were 'popular' before this only on obscure messege boards.

On the brightside, it has led to decent reprints/new translations. Mishima, for instance, has had four new books published in the last couple of years.

[Anonymous No.20316353]

>>20316345
>These writers were 'popular' before this only on obscure messege boards.
They were popular among the far right, whose culture was mass disseminated through the internet, including /pol/.

[Anonymous No.20316358]

>>20314790
shills often say you believe in xyz because it's a cpoe like picrel, but does anyone really arrive at the positions based on this progression? i certainly did not

[Anonymous No.20316415]

>>20316353

Not really. Guenon, Evola, Mishima, Celine, Serrano, Devi, etc etc etc were read/kept alive by outsiders of the far right, not by 'typical' rightists, if such a thing exists. Go through the archives of Stormfront or VNN pre-10. Your typical user is not reading them, or has any knowledge of who they are, and they were not popular within the right.

Outsider rightists like Boyd Rice kept many of these names alive. 2005ish onwards people like Jonathan Bowden, Thomas777, then Bronze Age Pervert, then the Counter-Currents crew assisted the rise. /pol/ 'recommended reading list' jpegs that have grown in popularity from 2010 are the reason a Mishima is getting 4 new books published in a couple of years. Kids are reading /pol/ and then rushing out to order 'Revolt Against the Modern World' from amazon. This is why Evola and Guenon are talked about evrywhere now.

[Anonymous No.20316418]

>>20313977
Based

[Anonymous No.20316440]

>>20302196
Guenon was mentioned in an American Conservative article about Charles' perennialism in 2012, but it seems to me like the author had prior knowledge of the idea before hearing this speech.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-traditionalist-prince-of-wales/

[Anonymous No.20316465]

>>20316415
>Kids are reading /pol/ and then rushing out to order 'Revolt Against the Modern World' from amazon.
really poignant example of how 'the system' can turn opposition to itself into a consumer good and thereby create a stress release valve by selling it back to those who might otherwise become nuisances

[Anonymous No.20316487]

I first learned about Guenon and Evola from MySpace, no joke. I wrote about them in undergrad for a few papers and my professors had no idea who the fuck I was talking about. Against the Modern World by Sedgwick was published back in 2004, and has a ton of information about all of these characters, including Schuon, Coomaraswamy, Pallis, etc. and it was pretty easy to follow up on his sources. I do remember things starting to pop off when Arktos came onto the publishing scene, though. Before that it was just weird, new age places publishing most of this stuff, along with Schuon's publisher. Not that Arktos isn't weird (and honestly they publish shitty translations, too) but they did change the game when it came to Evola's popularity.

[Anonymous No.20316497]

>>20314764
>debated a trad thot
>rekt evola
pick one

[Anonymous No.20316498]

>>20314764
>Dutton
I saw that and let me just say that guy's an embarrassment who misses the mark completely.

[Anonymous No.20316505]

>>20316415
>Outsider rightists like Boyd Rice kept many of these names alive.

That too, I remember reading about Evola and Devi on his website's reading list. Neofolk in general had a lot of impact on keeping these names afloat prior to the rise of image boards and the new American right.

>Celine
>Mishima
Way wider known. Not kept alive by right wing outsiders at all. Celine is one of the most famous French authors of the 20th century and Mishima had a biopic made about him that is Criterion release level.

[Anonymous No.20316522]

>>20316465

You're talking leftist circa 2003. The interesting aspect for me about all of this is that this is very interesting and 'occult' literature (in the true sense of the word: "Available only to the initiate; secret or mysterious", "Beyond the realm of human comprehension; inscrutable.") to be in the hands of the masses. Hundreds of thousands of young men reading Evola, Serrano, Devi etc will have a profound effect on culture later this century. But as the kids buying 'Revolt...' are as likely to actually read it as the plebs who bought Hawking's 'A Brief History of Time' were in the 80s nothing will probably happen.

[Anonymous No.20316531]

>>20301843
this book was published in 2004, don't know how many people read it though

[Anonymous No.20316533]

>>20316345
>On the brightside, it has led to decent reprints/new translations.
tfw I wanted to order the collection of Guenon articles published as "The Veil of Isis", but the only place selling it is one that I feel would land me on a watchlist if I order it from them

[Anonymous No.20316543]

>>20316522
i listened to revolt as an audiobook because of /pol/ and it got me into reading :)

[Anonymous No.20316557]

A guy ITT called a Belgian fella a "tintin"
HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that's funny

[Anonymous No.20316574]

>>20316505
>That too, I remember reading about Evola and Devi on his website's reading list.

Half of these writers were only known in occult to new-agey circles until very recently, as others have pointed out already. Rice's, and Genesis P-Orridge's, magickal toying with culture in the 70s-80s have shaped much in this modern world.

>Way wider known. Not kept alive by right wing outsiders at all. Celine is one of the most famous French authors of the 20th century and Mishima had a biopic made about him that is Criterion release level.

I respectfully disagree. The film has always been well-known, but until relatively recently Mishima books would sell for nothing. In 2004 I was picking up his 'On Hagakure', 'Sun and Steel', 'Ordeal by Roses', i.e. the rare stuff, for less than $10 a copy on the internet because no one was interested. No one knew who Mishima was until /pol/ picked him up as a rightist figure, rather than the dandy in the underworld he really is.

Celine also hasn't had decent English editions put out in years. My local university library only has one copy of 'Journey...' from the early 80s and that's the only English translation. No one reads him outside of a few pckets on the internet, at least in English.

[Anonymous No.20316579]

>>20316543

Respect. Check out Colin Wilson's The Outsider. You may like that if you're young and getting into books. May change your life.

[Anonymous No.20316593]

>>20316533
>"The Veil of Isis"

Lulu has cheap copies of what appears to be a recent reprinting. Check out Anthony Ludovici while you're at it.

[Anonymous No.20316668]

>>20302176
>En 2022 Je fait Ramadan
I wonder if Houllebecq actually kept fast during this last Ramadan

[Anonymous No.20316698]

>>20316498
He's a respectable resource who shows the impenetrable obstacle of Evola's elitist prose. If he is struggling earnestly how worse are the crowds preached to?

[Anonymous No.20316716]

>>20316323
not really. he got acquainted with guenon's work through geydar dzhemal

[Anonymous No.20316968]

>>20316698
He doesn't believe in the existence of metaphysics based on the standard empiricist talking points. What use is debate between him and the chick at that point?

[Anonymous No.20317005]

>>20316698
To add, I recommend reading the chapter on the Sacred and Profane Sciences in Guénon's Crisis

[Anonymous No.20317021]

>>20316465
>people buy a book
>CAPITAL HAS AN IRON GRIP

[Anonymous No.20317042]

>>20316522
>will have a profound effect on culture later this century
What a deeply vague prediction. "Culture" in what sense? Are they going to breed? Create literature? Make art? We are yet to see what output a politically extremist, theoretically masturbatory, pseudo-monastic movement without wealthy patronage is capable of, but I would assume, very little. Because if there were talented people involved whose skills commanded either attention or profit, they would likely avoid something so extremely toxic to their social standing. Unless of course, my "2003 leftism" is correct and they become the new hippie movement, a sort of CIA-steered pop culture performance designed to manage the rest of the public's sentiment away from whatever it is they seem to like while also serving some useful goals for the powerful. Yes yes, be really mad at the "degeneracy" it's just so so terrible, never mind the fact that you can no longer afford property and your landlord is a publicly traded multinational.

[Anonymous No.20317047]

>>20317021
yes
literally sending Amazon hundreds of dollars so you can self-express yourself as a dissident "thinker;" it's completely insane if you think consuming products offered to you is some radical political act

[Anonymous No.20317063]

>>20317042
>Yes yes, be really mad at the "degeneracy" it's just so so terrible, never mind the fact that you can no longer afford property and your landlord is a publicly traded multinational.
You can literally be mad at both of those things. A lot of people are.

[Anonymous No.20317144]

>>20317063
Well you won't outspend them and they've given you space to breathe even if it doesn't feel like. Twenty years from now, defending the position they've taken currently will be considered far-right

[Anonymous No.20317198]

>evil evola be like goodnola

[Anonymous No.20317323]

>>20314859
Is this what an average French bookshop looks like?

[Anonymous No.20317344]

>>20316593
I looked at the table of contents, and you can find all the essays printed in it in Guenon's other works in English.

[Anonymous No.20317358]

>>20301883
Remember when /pol/ thought he was going to overthrow china

[dago !XvLR0tbIro No.20317384]

>>20317198

[Anonymous No.20317913]

>>20317047
That you think reading books is some kind of cheap self expression is entirely projection.

[Anonymous No.20317951]

>>20301843
They were already being talked about in underground fascist discussions alongside many others, long before that by William Luther Pierce, I remember hearing about Evola and Guenon around 2010. Another one that surfaced and I completely fell in love with was Ragnar Redbeard's Might is Right, the bombastic, brutal tone of the book is extremely liberating.

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>>20317951
Anyone have that Maistre quote image where he's talking about how the best constitutions are those that are shrouded in the murky mists of history

[Anonymous No.20317978]

>>20302144
>Guenon is rarely discussed in right wing circles.
sounds like you are in the wrong circles

[Anonymous No.20317983]

>>20317913
I don't believe that about books but you can be sure your right wing funko pop collectors do

[Anonymous No.20317996]

>>20317983

[Anonymous No.20318004]

>>20317042
>the fact that you can no longer afford property and your landlord is a publicly traded multinational.
What the fuck are you on about? This is like 95% of what any given TRS podcast is bitching about at any given time.

[Anonymous No.20318113]

>>20318004
I don't listen to podcasts but good for them I guess.

[Anonymous No.20319731]

>>20317996
cope

[Anonymous No.20320300]

>>20303098
What a great idea, curtains to keep dust off the books.
>its a poor mans glass case.
Also these fucks were being memed on this very board as early as 2008.
so lurk more.

[Anonymous No.20320349]

>>20305334
Heil Hitler

[Anonymous No.20320757]

>>20316574
Fair point regarding Mishima interest. It seems to me that he was well known in Japanese literature circles but once pol or new found him the popularity shifted (and grew) to a political understanding.

For Céline I'm still going to say he was (and is) extremely popular among anyone who knows 20th century modernist literature. Hell, the Beats idolized him. Regarding current publication, New Directions Publishing has churned out new editions and printings even recently. His works outside of the three (Voyage, Mort, Guignol) they publish are just, quite frankly, impenetrable to Anglo audiences (e.g. the German trilogy) so they are medium-rare, although still quite cheap second hand. That said, I'm France he's still a popular author, with a previously unpublished work of his, Guerre, released just a few days ago, and it was the number one book on french Amazon.

I work at a university with massive French collection, so I can't speak there, as we have close to 100 volumes by or on Céline.

[Anonymous No.20320771]

>>20304034
>Iron Pill MS Paint comics
Can you link to some of these comics or is there an easy way to find them?

[Anonymous No.20320789]

>>20320771
I found it, adding 'right wing' as a search term helped. Interesting to see how weak these memes were and are compared to Pepes, Wojacks, Gigachads etc.

[Anonymous No.20320800]

>>20307010
>Capitan Harlock

[Anonymous No.20320846]

>>20301843
no one
their followers just keep pushing them everywhere
like a cult

and already debunked
https://olavodecarvalho-org.translate.goog/as-garras-da-esfinge-rene-guenon-e-a-islamizacao-do-ocidente/?_x_tr_sl=pt&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=pt-BR&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[Anonymous No.20320998]

>>20320846
I think the idea of cyclical history is coming back into the mainstream because of the Traditionalists