Freud or Jung

[Anonymous No.20282129]

I’ve never read either but I’m looking to get collected works of one of them. Which one is more entertaining to read?

[Anonymous No.20282130]

Marx

[Anonymous No.20282140]

>>20282129
How do I get a gf like this

[Anonymous No.20282156]

>>20282140
I’m op and that’s me. I like short, out of shape guys with bad skin and bad haircuts who are quiet, but when they open their mouth it’s even worse. They have to have wire framed glasses too. And they shouldn’t have a job, income, or a place of their own. My father always told me to avoid these men but I have daddy issues so I go for them

[Anonymous No.20282178]

Freud is an excellent writer while Jung is not. However Jung's ideas are much more interesting and expansive, and I daresay, relevant than Freud's. I would always choose Jung. But his reception really exemplifies the midwit meme. Jungians are either slobbering retards (primarily) or the smartest people in the room, and nothing in between

[Anonymous No.20282192]

>>20282178
Jung believes in forces unseen so I would say it's an inverse bell curve with intelligence. On one hand is new age crystal people and on the other are people who are smart but trust their instincts and don't swim around in their frontal lobe only or worship the Baconian method.

[Anonymous No.20282194]

>>20282178
If I just wanted an entertaining or interesting read, without caring how they are viewed today, would that change your answer?

[Anonymous No.20282199]

>>20282129
Freud never actually treated a single real incest case.

[Anonymous No.20282205]

>>20282192
Well demonic entities have been shown to exist So I think that suggests there are unseen forces.

[Anonymous No.20282212]

>>20282194
If you just want to be entertained then I would say read civilization and its discontents. The only marginally entertaining read from Jung is memories, dreams, reflections, his pseudo autobiography, and it is only entertaining because he didn't really write it

[Anonymous No.20282217]

>>20282194
Jung is more interesting. The dude was half schizophrenic. His anima and animus are also way more accurate than the mommy and daddy in dream analysis. And his mythological interpretations and applications to dream and psychology are also more interesting. Synchronicity is a fun read but all he discovers about astrological data is people fuck more at certain times of year. Red Book is schizophrenic ramblings that are much less coherent and structured than Zarathustra so if you didn't like that or get it you probably wouldn't like Red Book.

[Anonymous No.20282222]

>>20282178
>freud is an excellent writer
??? his disconnected meandering style makes me want to rip the fucking paper in half

[Anonymous No.20282229]

psychoanalysis is for pseuds
>woah he has x opinion that's just because penis sex cum mother childhood problems who hurt youbla bla
This is what Freudfags look like 90% of the time
>incoming smarmy reply

[Anonymous No.20282234]

>>20282229
Read Man and His Symbols at least. At a minimum it makes you better at reading film.

[Anonymous No.20282235]

>>20282222
Sorry Freud isn't Sally Rooney. Maybe you should stick to millennials

[Anonymous No.20282246]

>>20282235
Didn't he write in german so the translator would be at fault?

[Anonymous No.20282279]

>>20282129
theyre both fricks of nature with Reich youre right

[Anonymous No.20282290]

>>20282156
okay, bend over. we can do this the easy way or the hard way.

[Anonymous No.20282298]

>>20282279
no, no, no. that guy is cancerous

[Anonymous No.20282303]

Levi-Strauss?

[Anonymous No.20282312]

>>20282140
Mail her.

[Anonymous No.20282318]

>>20282129
>ankle socks
Fucking disgusting

[Anonymous No.20282338]

>>20282303
QRD?

[Anonymous No.20282678]

>>20282312
She’s Russian?

[Anonymous No.20282702]

>>20282303
I have three of his books and an Orthodox priest told me he was a fraud when I said I had them.

[Anonymous No.20282736]

>>20282129
>>20282702
with every passing day i get more and more disgusted by white w*men

[Anonymous No.20282743]

Freud for if you're more leaning towards scientific/materialist pov. Jung if you're into mythological hocus pocus to feel good about your autism.

[Anonymous No.20283122]

>>20282303
If your gonna go down that route, know that he was refuted by Derrida and co, so if you buy into any of the recent continental french shit, you might as well just read Derrida

[Anonymous No.20283136]

>>20283122
>refuted
No he wasn’t. Stop using this word, you don’t know how philosophy or human science work if you think it’s just a long series of refutations of previous refutations.

[Anonymous No.20283175]

>>20282140
desu I want a mommy gf

[Anonymous No.20283182]

>>20283136
Yeah I’ve realized that no ones views or beliefs are going to line up 100% with anyone. I just take what I like and leave the rest. Don’t look for philosophers’ truth, look for your truth

[Anonymous No.20283186]

>>20283182
Then what do you think you mean by “refute”

[Anonymous No.20283207]

>>20282129
Neither. One's a kike, the other is a cryptokike.

[Anonymous No.20283217]

>>20283186
I think to refute is to totally disprove. Pretty much every big named philosopher has some good things to say. I look at it like a buffet. I’ll take a little of everything. Every philosopher has their weaknesses and strengths

[Anonymous No.20283333]

>>20282156
>Unbelievable, unbelievable Jerry she said she likes me.
>She said she likes you.
>She said she likes me.
>Who said she likes you.
>The girl from the Jung vs Freud 4chan thread.

[Anonymous No.20283382]

>>20282178
Freud is for midwits trapped in the bell-curve, and Jung is for extremes on the reverse curve?
Sounds about right.

[Anonymous No.20283434]

>>20282156
What's so bad about wire frames?

[Anonymous No.20283447]

>>20283333
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.20283471]

>>20282129
Freud >>> Jung
Start with Beyond the Pleasure Principle.
>>20283382
>bell-curve
kek

[Anonymous No.20283482]

>>20283122
why do you burgers turn everything into Power Rangers?

[Anonymous No.20283497]

>>20283182
That might work fine for someone like you anon, whose truth is that they’re clinically retarded, but the rest of us see things differently.

[Anonymous No.20283509]

>>20283217
>the burger can only think in food metaphors

[Anonymous No.20283516]

Jung is more esoteric, but also more approachable and practical. After reading some of both, I would recommend not getting their collected works as you'll ignore 9/10.

Go with Jung.

[Anonymous No.20283541]

>>20283497
Enlighten me then

[Anonymous No.20283550]

>>20283482
They believe in “refutations” and “influences”

[Anonymous No.20283558]

>>20282129
>or
read both. start with freud's later essays then go to Jung.

[Anonymous No.20283968]

>>20282192
>Jung believes in forces unseen so I would say it's an inverse bell curve with intelligence.
Being materialist is the textbook definition of a midwit.

[Anonymous No.20284005]

I hit a roadblock with Jung when he started getting into esoteric alchemy towards the end of Collected Works 9.1. Tried Aion and it was basically incomprehensible.
What are some good stepping stones to understanding this? I felt like I was generally understanding it when he talks about the basic concepts like archetypes and pieces of the Self, but then he starts dropping grimoire-tier stuff with no introduction.

[Anonymous No.20284030]

>>20282156
>They have to have wire framed glasses too
damn i was so close

[Anonymous No.20284039]

>>20284005
Alchemy is 180+ IQ or god-tier consciousness, Jung was filtered.

[Anonymous No.20285525]

Lacan

[Anonymous No.20285537]

>>20282156
Fuck, so I have to get some wire frames and get on the government dole to have a chance with you babe?

[Anonymous No.20285795]

>>20282129
nick land

[Anonymous No.20286379]

>>20284005
aion is one of his final works. Though Jung had been collecting alchemical texts since 1916 he didn't really publish on it until his commentary on Wilhelm's translation of the taiyi jinhuazongzhi, the golden flower book. If you are having trouble with jung's alchemy I would suggest a chronological approach, starting with Golden Flower, then maybe Psychology and Alchemy. Aion should be the last or second-to-last thing you read. Mysterium Coniunctionis is where Jung really lays his cards on the table. It is in the final chapter of the Mysterium (his final book) that he actually espouses an intelligible ontology.

[Anonymous No.20286857]

>>20282212
agreed, was entertaining and therefore easy to finish.