/DQ/ - Don Quixote discussion thread

[Anonymous No.20263069]

Tomorrow /lit/ will read Don Quixote. Or in two hours if you follow UTC time.

If you've been thinking about reading Cervantes' magnum opus, you can join /lit/ reading during this next month

First approximation for the schedule:

>April 23rd: Start reading DQ Part I; Chapters 1-4
>April 24th: Chapters 5-8
>April 25th: Chapters 9-12
>April 26th: Chapters 13-16
>April 27th: Chapters 17-20
>April 28th: Chapters 21-24
>April 29th: Chapters 25-27
>April 30th: Chapters 28-32
>May 1st: Chapters 33-36
>May 2nd: Chapters 37-41
>May 3rd: Chapters 42-44
>May 4th: Chapters 45-48
>May 5th: Chapters 49-52; End of the first part of DQ
>May 6th: Start reading DQ Part II; Chapters 1-4
>May 7th: Chapters 4-8
>May 8th: Chapters 9-11
>May 9th: Chapters 12-15
>May 10th: Chapters 16-19
>May 11th: Chapters 20-23
>May 12th: Chapters 24-27
>May 13th: Chapters 28-31
>May 14th: Chapters 32-35
>May 15th: Chapters 36-39
>May 16th: Chapters 40-43
>May 17th: Chapters 44-47
>May 18th: Chapters 48-51
>May 19th: Chapters 52-55
>May 20th: Chapters 56-59
>May 21th: Chapters 60-63
>May 22th: Chapters 64-67
>May 23th: Chapters 68-72; End of the second part

What translation will you read?
>https://strawpoll.com/polls/xVg7d2j5QZr

[Anonymous No.20263107]

>>20263069
Oh grate more white supremacist garbage books. Read Hindu literature istead m, sirs

[Anonymous No.20263108]

>>20263069
>What translation will you read?
Spanish - Spanish (modern orthography)

[Anonymous No.20263110]

>>20263108
Coward

[Anonymous No.20263113]

>>20263107
>Hindu literature
Aryan supremacist trash, they even were the ones who invented racism btw.

[Anonymous No.20263120]

I'm excited bros

[Anonymous No.20263125]

>>20263110
I know. The printed version I have at home maintains old orthography if it indicates a phonological difference with current Spanish but otherwise is cucked.

[Anonymous No.20263195]

>And the first thing he did was to attempt to clean some armor that had belonged to his great-grandfathers and, stained with rust and covered with mildew, had spent many long years stored and forgotten in a corner. He did the best he could to clean and repair it, but he saw that it had a great defect, which was that instead of a full sallet helmet with an attached neckguard, there was only a simple headpiece; but he compensated for this with his industry, and out of pasteboard he fashioned a kind of half-helmet that, when attached to the headpiece, took on the appearance of a full sallet. It is true that in order to test if it was strong and could withstand a blow, he took out his sword and struck it twice, and with the first blow he undid in a moment what it had taken him a week to create; he could not help being disappointed at the ease with which he had hacked it to pieces, and to protect against that danger, he made another one, placing strips of iron on the inside so that he was satisfied with its strength; and not wanting to put it to the test again, he designated and accepted it as an extremely fine sallet.

kek
also, grossmanchads rise up

[Anonymous No.20263219]

>And as our new adventurer traveled along, he talked to himself, saying: “Who can doubt that in times to come, when the true history of my famous deeds comes to light, the wise man who compiles them, when he begins to recount my first sally so early in the day, will write in this manner: ‘No sooner had rubicund Apollo spread over the face of the wide and spacious earth the golden strands of his beauteous hair, no sooner had diminutive and brighthued birds with dulcet tongues greeted in sweet, mellifluous harmony the advent of rosy dawn, who, forsaking the soft couch of her zealous consort, revealed herself to mortals through the doors and balconies of the Manchegan horizon, than the famous knight Don Quixote of La Mancha, abandoning the downy bed of idleness, mounted his famous steed, Rocinante, and commenced to ride through the ancient and illustrious countryside of Montiel.’”

Is it bad that I relate to his infinitely self-congratulatory internal monologue? This reminds me a little of Ignatius Reilly. Picaresuqe novel protagonists were the precursor to 4chan users

[Anonymous No.20263233]

>>20263219
Wait till he tries to defend some whores honor. Me cago de risa.

[Anonymous No.20263240]

How is /lit/ going to do this thing? Will you just follow the schedule and shitpost here later or are you doing something else?

[Anonymous No.20263283]

>>20263120
who drew it? it is incredible

[Anonymous No.20263286]

>>20263240
we're reading the book, you faggot

[Anonymous No.20263292]

>>20263069
you missed the prologue, it is very important. Maybe not the most important part but worth reading and worth discussing

[Anonymous No.20263300]

>>20263283
Gustave Dore, he has a ton of illustrations
he also illustrated The Divine Comedy and several other classics

[Anonymous No.20263313]

>>20263286
But what's the point of "/lit/ is reading the Quixote"?
Be patient I have autism.

[Anonymous No.20263320]

>>20263313
Why not you little queer. That's why you never leave the house and get no bitches.

[Anonymous No.20263337]

>>20263320
I'm just asking if you're doing something else other than commenting it on 4chinks after reading the chapters.
Btw yesterday I left my home twice.

[Anonymous No.20263339]

>>20263313
We're gonna discuss it.
>Be patient I have autism.
You'll enjoy this; Quixote's autistic too.

[Anonymous No.20263365]

>>20263300
thank you, i'll check him

btw i forgot answering to your comment
>>20263120
>I'm excited bros
me too, it's a fantastic book

[Anonymous No.20263377]

just here to say that I love this book and hope you guys have a lot of fun.

[Anonymous No.20263378]

>>20263313
>But what's the point of "/lit/ is reading the Quixote"?
the point is to be all on the same page so the discussion is much easier than if someone post a random thread about the book and either people didnt read it or they dont remember details

>Be patient I have autism.
dont worry, im the most patient person i know

[Anonymous No.20263391]

I felt an overwhelming sadness when the women were taken aback at being called "ladies." Despite the point of the scene being the hilarity of Quixote's autism. I know it's supposed to be a joke, but I can't help feeling bad for them. Is there some grand theme where de Cervantes attempts to tackle subjects like honour and purity and innocence and morality and chastity and sexuality under the humorous surface of the scene? I don't know. I'm a midwit.
Tell me what you think.

[Anonymous No.20263397]

>>20263391
we will discuss it when we get there

[Anonymous No.20263399]

>>20263339
>Quixote's autistic too.
quixote isnt autistic, cervante was autistic. Autistic as fuck, 20 years for writing the book wtf

[Anonymous No.20263400]

>>20263377
>I love this book
who doesnt?

[Anonymous No.20263457]

>>20263399
Quixote is like a weaboo who suddenly feels the urge to go on a shounen action adventure. When he calls out to Dulcinea del Toboso he's really just fantasizing about his waifu. All his interactions he attempts to view through the lens of common manga tropes.
This book's obviously a criticsm of geeks like him.
Again, I'm a midwit (>>20263391) and I stopped at Chapter IV. So far this is what I gather.
I'm LOVING this, though. Quixote just like me fr fr no cap

[Anonymous No.20263474]

>>20263069
Which translation are you guys reading? I want to be on the same page and just found out this is happening

[Anonymous No.20263484]

>>20263292
agree, it sets the dense tone of the book. it assures you that you don’t need to get all the references and allusions in order to fully enjoy the book and establishes the work as pastiche (ironic or not) of established works. plus, the fake sonnets are funny
>>20263391
they’re called ‘tarts’ in my translation kek
he not only guards his faithfulness to Dulcinea but admonishes the strangers in the market who can’t repeat his public admiration for her. it’s as if you took dante’s beatrice and bring her down to the backwaters of spain.

[Anonymous No.20263513]

>>20263484
i read the prologue, and the opening poems too. funny stuff. i love cervantes' wit. it "floods" you.

[Anonymous No.20263515]

>>20263457
>Quixote is like a weaboo who suddenly feels the urge to go on a shounen action adventure. When he calls out to Dulcinea del Toboso he's really just fantasizing about his waifu. All his interactions he attempts to view through the lens of common manga tropes.
i know but that isn't autistic it is fucking crazy. The dulcinea passages are kino btw, I'll elaborate tomorrow or the day after

>This book's obviously a criticsm of geeks like him.
not really, it is a criticism of cavalry lit of the epoch, in chapter 6 you'll found some of them

>I'm LOVING this
that's normal, it's a masterpiece

>Quixote just like me
bad thing my friend

>>20263391
>I felt an overwhelming sadness when the women were taken aback at being called "ladies."

>Is there some grand theme where de Cervantes attempts to tackle subjects like honour and purity and innocence and morality and chastity and sexuality under the humorous surface of the scene?
idk if grand but he does here and there, we'll discuss in the following days
i dont understand where the sadness come from

[Anonymous No.20263532]

>>20263484
>agree, it sets the dense tone of the book. it assures you that you don’t need to get all the references and allusions in order to fully enjoy the book and establishes the work as pastiche (ironic or not) of established works. plus, the fake sonnets are funny
not only that, it's more: it speak about itself (thing that in that period was like see an alien), he laugh at Lope de Vega, he speaks his past life, he make mistakes porpously to make fun of other writers, etc

[Anonymous No.20263538]

>>20263515
not that sadness guy but maybe, if I remember correctly, it would have to do with the fact that Don Quixote doesn't really meet proper "ladies" (as in ladies of the court) up until the second part? before that he meets with peasants or shepherdesses or Maritornes, people who would not be too thrilled to be called high class.

[Anonymous No.20263545]

>*blocks your path*
>"Halt man, and declare immediately, without hesitation or reticence that Señora Dulcelina de Toboso is the lady of these lands most possessing of beauteousness and virtue, and that to her esteemed self, all other maidens are but tavern wenches and harlots! Further, this declaration must be made regardless of whether your eyes have been granted such a delight as to sully the immaculate personage of the Señora Dulcelina, for the objectivity of her comeliness does not falter in the face of such base and mortal restrictions as that of mere sight. Should you refuse, or display hesitance in your declaration, I shall be forced to order my squire to engage you in single and valorous combat, as such a task is ill-befitting a noble knight errant such as myself."
>falls off his horse because his saddle isn't cinched properly
>bumps into a tree and knocks himself out because he can't see for the basin on his head

what do?

[Anonymous No.20263571]

is pig a bad word in spanish? also poor Andrés

[Anonymous No.20263577]

>>20263515
>bad thing my friend
but of course. i'm being facetious!

>not really, it is a criticism of cavalry lit of the epoch, in chapter 6 you'll found some of them
i want to clarify my statement— i didn't mean that the book's central point was criticizing fans of cavalry lit. i meant exactly what you said. forgive me. i haven't slept in a while

[Anonymous No.20263578]

>>20263283
>who drew it?
Nobody, it's an engraving.

[Anonymous No.20263595]

>>20263571
'cerdo' in Spanish is an insult for dirty people or people that don't behave properly.
But, also, 'marrano' is a synonym that was used to refer to jewish people.
idk which one is used

[Anonymous No.20263602]

This is the best idea /lit/ has had in a long time. Count me in. I will be reading the Ormsby translation. Modern translators have a habit of "fixing problematic words". I'll be using this version from project gutenberg:

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/996/996-h/996-h.htm

I see quite a few votes for the more modern translations. Anyone care to explain their decision?

[Anonymous No.20263604]

>>20263069
Donkey shot haha

[Anonymous No.20263610]

can anyone confirm whether or not that the word "donkey" has any origin or influence with Don Quixote?

[Anonymous No.20263627]

>>20263538
yeah, he writes 'Estaban acaso a la puerta dos mujeres mozas, destas que llaman del partido' sorry i cant pic relate now but you can trust me. That means 'There were two young women on the door, that of who are called del partido'. Del partido means 'deshonestas vagabundas' ie 'vagabond untrustworthy'. Now you interpret what you want

[Anonymous No.20263631]

>>20263602
I think most people just look up online which translation people think is the best and pick that. Grossman seems to be the most popular one online.

[Anonymous No.20263634]

>>20263545
xd he's the fucking boss

[Anonymous No.20263649]

>>20263595
i think it’s ‘puercos’ in the original

[Anonymous No.20263651]

>>20263571
depends on the context, but mostly yeah. If the exact word that is being translated is "marrano", its definetly an anti-semitic slur, thats for sure.

[Anonymous No.20263658]

>>20263649
He is basically talking about the animal, the pigs that bacon comes from. But he is cheeky about the double meaning and makes little anotation just to make the reader laugh a bit.

[Anonymous No.20263682]

>>20263571
>is pig a bad word in spanish?
pig is cerdo or puerco and means filthy. You ask it because of 'una manada de puercos -que, sin perdón, así se llaman- tocó un cuerno' what means 'a herd of pigs -that, without apology, that's their name- play a horn'. Maybe play isnt the proper word but you understand what it means. The explanation for that is that in spain in that period when you was about to say a filthy word you sholud say 'con perdón' before (i think you could say it afterwards), that means 'apologizing'.

>also poor Andrés
i dont remember who is andres, is the innkeeper?

[Anonymous No.20263695]

>>20263577
>i meant exactly what you said. forgive me. i haven't slept in a while
np

[Anonymous No.20263702]

>>20263595
neither, it is used puerco (at least in my version), as i showed here >>20263682
but puerco, cerdo, marrano and guarro are literally the same thing, pig

[Anonymous No.20263705]

>>20263682
Andrés is the peasant sheep farmer who got whipped by his master and he didn’t get any help from Don Quixote because he just takes his master’s word. I think he reappears in a later chapter.

[Anonymous No.20263722]

>>20263602
>This is the best idea /lit/ has had in a long time.
agree

>Count me in
we're happy to have you

>Anyone care to explain their decision?
idk im reading the very first original edition of 1605

[Anonymous No.20263725]

Oh, weird. I just started reading Don Quixote. It's been on my shelf for ages. I read it when I was in high school but I forgot almost everything and remember it being boring and forcing myself to read. I'm returning to it after reading War and Peace recently.

I was surprised at how early the windmill episode is. I'm still waiting for the breathtaking literary depth, though. Maybe I should just get a Spanish edition, I'm passably fluent in reading Spanish...

[Anonymous No.20263733]

>>20263595
Marrano was reserved for the worst filth. Literally especially filthy pigs but also could refer to animals people etc. And of course the worst swine crypto-jews. Jews who nominally had converted to Christianity but still still kept their blood covenant with Yahweh.

[Anonymous No.20263745]

>>20263705
oh yeah i remember now

[Anonymous No.20263760]

>>20263722
>idk im reading the very first original edition of 1605
Did you find it online?

[Anonymous No.20263770]

Grossman sisters are we reading the prologue and the sonnet?

[Anonymous No.20263777]

>>20263770
Yes because I like Rocinante and that shit is funny.

[Anonymous No.20263779]

>>20263760
i have it phisically but i guess it can be found. Maybe that's good https://www.rae.es/sites/default/files/Don_Quijote_Vol._1_.pdf i didnt chechk it word by word

[Anonymous No.20263784]

>>20263770
of course, that's canon

[Anonymous No.20263787]

Here's a paper someone wrote comparing the Ormsby and Grossman translations. He goes chapter by chapter with original text and the two translations side by side.

[Anonymous No.20263800]

>>20263787
*link https://lamarcahispanica.byu.edu/files/2012/10/Tran-1-Quixote.pdf

[Anonymous No.20263804]

>>20263069
Why are modern covers so horrible?

[Anonymous No.20263815]

>>20263804
because they think they are artist but they are...i wont say what they are

[Anonymous No.20263819]

>>20263779
If someone is interested, I found this, which is a scanned version from some old edition (1617 it seems)
>http://bdh.bne.es/bnesearch/detalle/bdh0000191489
Not comfy enough to read it directly from there but good enough to compare stuff if you're reading a modern edition imo.

[Anonymous No.20263820]

>>20263804
i've got this Grossman version which is quite inoffensive

[Anonymous No.20263822]

>>20263195
>grossmanchads
A modern English translation by a fat jewish woman. Nothing chad about that.

[Anonymous No.20263831]

>>20263804
>>20263820
Here's my cover.

[Anonymous No.20263833]

>>20263804
>Out of focus picture of a helm
Almost feels like neural blender. Maybe companies don't even have humans doing their covers anymore. Just feed a few keywords into an algorithm.

[Anonymous No.20263840]

>>20263822
I was wary of that myself.

[Anonymous No.20263854]

>>20263831
based cover

[Anonymous No.20263873]

Does anyone know which translation(s) Terry Gilliam prefers?

[Anonymous No.20263874]

bros, do I read the introduction? I have the Penguin Classics edition

[Anonymous No.20263875]

>>20263854
Yeah the Heritage Press is (was) based

[Anonymous No.20263885]

>>20263874
no, start with the prologue

[Anonymous No.20263892]

>>20263875
i dont like books having pictures, it destroys my imagination

[Anonymous No.20263935]

>>20263873
woah how bizarre. i literally just watched 12 monkeys

[Anonymous No.20264007]

>>20263935
Not that bizarre, Gilliam has been famously trying to make a Don Quixote movie since the 80s.

[Anonymous No.20264036]

>>20264007
he did though.

[Anonymous No.20264387]

>>20263602
Hold up im a newfag. Are you guys telling you have never done a read along before? Is everyone here retarded?

[Anonymous No.20264413]

>>20264387
The person you're replying too is a newfag. There are frequent read-along suggestions, and all of them die within a few days because nobody here reads. This year alone there was a Shakespeare plan and two short story collection plans that have failed. I have my doubts that this will be any different.

[Anonymous No.20264421]

>>20264413
do they each have set paces? having some variability could make it more accessible.

[Anonymous No.20264495]

>>20264421
They were just set as read this story in this period of time, then this story in this period of time and so on.
The main difference that this attempt has going for it is that the readings are daily, so there can be discussions every day about the same content. In previous attempts it is all too common for nobody to say anything until the end of the allocated reading time, and by then most people have already lost interest because of zoomer brains, so there is no discussion and the entire plan collapses.
It will be interesting to see how the daily plan compares, but I think it will have its own issues with people missing one day because they are busy and then being unable to catch up.

[Anonymous No.20264517]

>>20264495
if threads stay alive they can reply to previous days posts. Hell, they could reply to previous threads if OP keeps them linked.

[Anonymous No.20264602]

First four chapters are pretty fun. I love how his fair maiden is just some random girl he creeps on and never met. It seems like the constant description of real vs fantasy is going to get pretty tedious unless things start changing up. I'm guessing that once he hooks up with Sancho Panza thinks start to even out. I do love the concept of a senile old man wreaking havoc while he's a legend in his own mind.

[Anonymous No.20264628]

Do you like my cover? And yes Im reading it on spanish.

[Anonymous No.20265247]

>>20264628
I'm not fond of text-upon-art covers. If you have art, either keep the text off like Penguin Classics, or at least put it in an inconspicuous place.

[Anonymous No.20265430]

why are people discussing book covers more than the book? talk about the damn book.

[Anonymous No.20265467]

>>20265430
Read the OP again...

[Anonymous No.20265838]

Grossman says about the "The Four Books of
Amadis of Gaul": Published in their complete version in 1508, these are the first in the long series of novels of chivalry devoted to the exploits of Amadis, a prototypical knight, and his descendants.

The media we consume has not changed since the 16th century.

[Anonymous No.20265852]

>>20264495
>people missing one day because they are busy and then being unable to catch up
Yeah, the pace is pretty high

[Anonymous No.20265855]

>“There’s no reason you should,” replied the priest, “and here we would pardon the captain if he had not brought it to Spain and translated it into Castilian, for he took away a good deal of its original value, which is what all who attempt to translate books of poetry into another language will do as well: no matter the care they use and the skill they show, they will never achieve the quality the verses had in their first birth."

*sweats* oh no, anons...

[Anonymous No.20265859]

>>20264602
>I love how his fair maiden is just some random girl he creeps on and never met
What is better than that is that he speak to her and send her people just because knights do it in the novels

[Anonymous No.20265870]

>>20264628
>Do you like my cover?
Not really, it doesn't look as serious as it should be, later on I'll upload the mine (which is in Spanish too btw)

[Anonymous No.20265878]

>>20265855
Based Cervantes

[Anonymous No.20265882]

>“These do not deserve to be burned like the rest, because they do not and will not cause the harm that books of chivalry have, for they are books of the understanding and do no injury to anyone.”
>“Oh, Senor!” said the niece. “Your grace should send them to be burned, just like all the rest, because it’s very likely that my dear uncle, having been cured of the chivalric disease, will read these and want to become a shepherd and wander through the woods and meadows singing and playing, and, what would be even worse, become a poet, and that, they say, is an incurable and contagious disease.”

Cervantes dunks on all of /lit/

>you will never be a shepherd wandering through the woods and meadows singing and playing

[Anonymous No.20265888]

>>20265855
In the Spanish one that part is pretty different written, not that straightforward. That proves that
>they will never achieve the quality the verses had in their first birth
also happens in prose and with that text itself. Pretty ironic

[Anonymous No.20265893]

>“La Galatea, by Miguel de Cervantes,” said the barber. “This Cervantes has been a good friend of mine for many years, and I know that he is better versed in misfortunes than in verses. His book has a certain creativity; it proposes something and concludes nothing. We have to wait for the second part he has promised; perhaps with that addition it will achieve the mercy denied to it now; in the meantime, keep it locked away in your house, my friend.”

I love it when authors insert themselves into the work like this, and especially when they do it in a wry, self-depecrating manner. It validates my desire to do the same.

[Anonymous No.20265999]

>>20263219
>Is it bad that I relate to his infinitely self-congratulatory internal monologue
If you relate to Don Quixote, Ignatius Reily, Holden Caulfield, etc, then, my friend you have autism

[Anonymous No.20266034]

>>20265999
you're right, but, like i said, i'm being facetious!

[Anonymous No.20266044]

>>20265893
Anon, that isn't self-deprecating so much as it is shilling for part 2. Cervantes is the quintessential grindset author.

[Anonymous No.20266046]

>>20265999
Holden is meant to be more sympathetic though I think, especially given his age.

>inb4 he raped his sister, phoebe
yeah, yeah, i know

[Anonymous No.20266100]

>>20265999
As I said before, that isn't autism, it is craziness

[Anonymous No.20266118]

>>20266100
(>>20263339) here. as bad as this may sound, i'm using "autism" in the overly simplistic, distorted, misrepresentative, and ironic sense that 4chan users tend to do so. but you're right; the word doesn't properly describe quixote's condition.

[Anonymous No.20266403]

How is 'duelos y quebrantos' translated into English?

[Anonymous No.20266422]

Do I need to understand all the references and poetry to read along? I'm worse than ESL.

[Anonymous No.20266434]

>>20266422
nope.
this isn't ulysses

[Anonymous No.20266529]

>>20266422
No kek this shits written in 1600

[Anonymous No.20266534]

Any chads in here who are re-reading?

[Anonymous No.20266559]

>>20265893
The captive near the end of part I when he tells his story references Cervantes as well, when he talks about being imprisoned in the bagnio in Algiers.

[Anonymous No.20266920]

I thought you guys were starting later in the month with a lighter reading load

[Anonymous No.20266936]

Shit I forgot this was today, I am not too late am I?

[Anonymous No.20266951]

>>20266422
Español como Segundo Idioma

[Anonymous No.20266956]

Favorite passage so far is from chapter 4.
>“Lies before me, base clown!” said Don Quixote. “By the sun that shines on us I have a mind to run you through with this lance. Pay him at once without another word; if not, by the God that rules us I will make an end of you, and annihilate you on the spot; release him instantly.”

[Anonymous No.20266976]

>>20266936
no! feel free to join! the chapters are very short.
>>20266920
you too!

[Anonymous No.20267027]

>>20266920
>lighter reading load
A complete audiobook is less than 35h. You're supposed to read a little bit faster than that. You have a month, so it's less than one hour each day. How much time do you spend daily shitposting or watching movies/series/shows?

[Anonymous No.20267053]

I have this weird thing happening and whenever I read the name Don Quixote, in my mind I hear Mozart's Don Giovani opera in my head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ioc9shJa_lI
DongioVAAANIIIIII

[Anonymous No.20267105]

>>20267027
>>20267027
I'm gonna be working and doing a summer class, have a social life and a girlfriend. I also read at the speed someone would speak the words because I'm retarded.
>>20266976
but I didn't realize the chapters were so short until now so I'll give it a go, thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.20267115]

>>20267105
In the time it took you to type that you could have read chapter 1.

[Anonymous No.20267118]

>>20267105
Having a gf is no excuse. Besides when you are fucking her, and even then you can still finesse, you can just pretend to be on tiktok or Instagram while you are actually enjoying Quixote.

[Anonymous No.20267126]

>>20267105
How much time do you spend daily watching TV and shitposting here?

[Anonymous No.20267134]

>>20267126
Not that much. two or three hours for each

[Anonymous No.20267154]

>>20267126
Don't watch tv and I only shitpost between sets

[Anonymous No.20267215]

>>20267154
Read between sets them. Stop coping, you know you can perfectly find one hour to read 3 chapters. For God's sake we're reading a book over a fucking month.

[Anonymous No.20267266]

>>20264413
>This year alone there was a Shakespeare plan
I started this month to read literature directly in English (ESL here) and I would love to participate in something like that, I think it would be actually very useful for all the Englishlets like me.

[Anonymous No.20267290]

>>20267266
Shakespeare is a terrible writer if you're trying to learn English.

[Anonymous No.20267291]

>>20266951
Nah, ETL.

[Anonymous No.20267368]

>>20267215
I already said I was gonna do it, no need to be a jackass

[Anonymous No.20267428]

>>20263107
Go away poo

[Anonymous No.20267482]

I don't mean to brag but my copy has ILLUSTRATIONS

[Anonymous No.20267680]

[Anonymous No.20267702]

>introduction makes a point of there being no annotations or notes in the margins
>edition I downloaded is annotated
amazing

[Anonymous No.20267710]

Okay so I just read the first 4 chapters, I went in expecting tales of a renowned knight and his adventures but what I have got instead is a schizophrenic mad man trotting around the country side in a world of his own. I was not expecting it to be so charming and funny, I love it so far.

[Anonymous No.20267712]

>>20267482
is that in old russian or something?

[Anonymous No.20267717]

>>20267482
I'm jealous

[Anonymous No.20267724]

>>20267710
It gets even better just wait until you get to the part with the treenigger. One of Shakespeare's lost plays was about that schizo.

[Anonymous No.20267742]

They don't look as good on the stupud Kindle.

[Anonymous No.20267745]

>>20267724
Looking forward to it, and discussing it with you guys here.

[Anonymous No.20267755]

>>20267712
It's Bulgarian, so technically yes.

[Anonymous No.20267767]

>>20267755
Spoiler these please, a lot of new readers are here.

[Anonymous No.20267780]

>>20267724
>One of Shakespeare's lost plays was about that schizo.
wasnt that about Cardenio, the guy in the novella they read at the tavern?

[Anonymous No.20267798]

>>20267755
It's a 400 year old novel, bro. Come on.

[Anonymous No.20267801]

>>20267798
Meant for >>20267767

[Anonymous No.20267812]

>>20267801
Yes but not everyone has read it, myself included. This thread and the following ones will bring in a lot of new readers so is it really too much to ask to not post pictures without a spoiler that spoil the plot?

[Anonymous No.20267818]

>>20267798
It doesn't matter how old it is you daft cunt.

[Anonymous No.20267826]

>>20265999
>you have the good autism
FTFY

[Anonymous No.20267852]

Ok I'm gonna participate.

Do I read Harold Bloom's introduction or is it full of spoilers?

[Anonymous No.20267902]

>>20263069
is XRA a modern take on Don Quixote?

[Anonymous No.20267906]

>>20267812
>>20267818
I apologize.

[Anonymous No.20267912]

>>20267906
Thanks Bulgarianon

[Anonymous No.20267937]

It looks like I'm spending more time here than actually reading, but I'm wondering why these sonnets are written like this is the prologue (the last syllable in brackets).
Is it the same in the English versions? Is it some type of style that I haven't seen?

[Anonymous No.20267971]

>>20267937
it's a poetic style where the last syllable is OMITTED. your edition seems to provide the last syllables in brackets.

[Anonymous No.20267989]

>>20267971
it's called versos de cabo rato

[Anonymous No.20267994]

>>20267818
there is literally nothing to spoil in DQ, you could know everything that happens and it would still be fun

[Anonymous No.20268015]

>>20267971
>>20267989
Interesting, thanks.

[Anonymous No.20268116]

Nice. I took a break after finishing the first part and never got around to continuing it. (The novel in a novel thing tired me out.) I'll use this as an excuse to resume it, see you in May.

[Anonymous No.20268155]

>>20267902
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought XRA while I was reading. He misunderstands everything, makes things worse for those he's helping, thinks he's the man, and even gets beat up. Surprised nobody called Quixote a Chomsky Honk yet.

[Anonymous No.20268216]

/lit/bros ... This is truly a superior board. Cheers!

[Anonymous No.20268218]

>>20268216
I piss on reddit, I piss on twitter

[Anonymous No.20268233]

One thing that is catching me by surprise is how effortless and fluid the writing style is. Simple descriptions, fast pace, dry sarcasm in irony in pretty much every sentence. It makes me want to re-evaluate authors who are long winded and can't get to the point.
Makes American authors like Lovecraft and Twain seem kind of try hard.

[Anonymous No.20268248]

Why are so many people reading the Grossman translation? That's just...gross, man.

[Anonymous No.20268266]

It is such a nice day here and I have read the 4 chapters but I feel like reading more, is that okay?

[Anonymous No.20268269]

>>20268248
Grossman is perfectly fine and widely available. I have read Don Quixote in Spanish, so be aware that if you want to get in an elitism contest with me, you will have to suck my dick if you don't know Spanish.

[Anonymous No.20268281]

>>20268266
Nein!

[Anonymous No.20268289]

>>20268269
Calm down, Paco. Now grab your lance and prepare thyself.

>>20268266
I've been reading on too. Nothing wrong with it. It's better to keep a momentum if you enjoy reading. It also just takes a few minutes to brush up on the chapters each day.

[Anonymous No.20268307]

>>20263804
Ummm didn't the very first chapter explained how he doesn't have a visor on his old helmet?

[Anonymous No.20268321]

>>20268266
I've been reading ahead too! Feel free, anon.
I'm going to start Chapter IX in a minute.

[Anonymous No.20268340]

>>20268266
If you enjoy Don Quixote, go ahead, but don't spoil anything for those who will follow the schedule, please.

[Anonymous No.20268341]

>>20268321
I just speed read the whole book in 20 minutes and I'm making a 40 minute youtube video about it right now.

[Anonymous No.20268346]

>>20268307
Yes :P
That book cover is atrocious. Methinks it needs to be tossed out the window and burned....

[Anonymous No.20268354]

>>20268307
>>20268346
am I retarded? I thought the visor was broken. It said he needed to use both hands to keep the visor up while the whore fed him

[Anonymous No.20268357]

>>20268341
anon, i know you're joking, but i don't want to seem like i'm bragging. i'm just really excited and anxious.

[Anonymous No.20268360]

>>20268116
Have fun, anon.

[Anonymous No.20268369]

>>20268357
don't worry you didn't come off as bragging, i was just making fun of "that guy" who always treats books as a race

[Anonymous No.20268384]

>>20268354
Yeah at first there was no visor, then he did some work and came up with something janky with a visor that wouldn't stay up on its own. The helmet is also based on a morion (pic related) which is the "spanish conquistador" helmet and not the "knights of the round table" english helmet.
The more you think about it the worse that out of focus stock photo book cover really is.

[Anonymous No.20268395]

>>20268354
>The first thing he did was to clean up some armour that had belonged to his great-grandfather, and had been for ages lying forgotten in a corner eaten with rust and covered with mildew. He scoured and polished it as best he could, but he perceived one great defect in it, that it had no closed helmet, nothing but a simple morion. This deficiency, however, his ingenuity supplied, for he contrived a kind of half-helmet of pasteboard which, fitted on to the morion, looked like a whole one. It is true that, in order to see if it was strong and fit to stand a cut, he drew his sword and gave it a couple of slashes, the first of which undid in an instant what had taken him a week to do. The ease with which he had knocked it to pieces disconcerted him somewhat, and to guard against that danger he set to work again, fixing bars of iron on the inside until he was satisfied with its strength; and then, not caring to try any more experiments with it, he passed it and adopted it as a helmet of the most perfect construction.

[Anonymous No.20268409]

>>20268369
of course, of course. i sort of laughed at your joke too!
i'm usually a slow reader, but this books seems to drag one along. feels like i'm caught in a flood or a tide, being swept along the plot by the narration.

also fuck panza for falling upon the poor friar

[Anonymous No.20268417]

>>20268248
>search name of book
>sort by popular
>get the first paperback with the prettiest cover

That's how I choose my books. The 2nd, 6th and 8th in this list were the only decent contenders.

[Anonymous No.20268436]

>>20268417
Kinda weird they'd put this in the description of the english translation, innit?

[Anonymous No.20268448]

>>20268417
The Gutenberg Project scan that I'm reading is using pic related.

[Anonymous No.20268456]

>>20268436
It's probably true because of all the puns and plays on words.

[Anonymous No.20268618]

So Don Quixote was a larping schizo. Thats based, ngl.

[Anonymous No.20268647]

>>20268340
Yeah no worries there.

[Anonymous No.20268700]

I enjoyed those four chapters very much. I get a feeling this is gonna be a comfy read bros. Am I right?

[Anonymous No.20268721]

>mfw planning to follow these threads until they hit the Cardenio interlude and the screaming begins

[Anonymous No.20268729]

>>20266403
Hamburger helper

[Anonymous No.20268844]

Read the first 5 (five) chapters. Yeah, I'm an overachiever like thapa8w2t.

[Anonymous No.20268864]

shit its today? i got art comms to finish but i got a head start earlier this year anyways. hope to see you madlads soon, ill start reading tonight

[Anonymous No.20268867]

>nothing flows from her, vile rabble
kek
>but amber and delicate musk
holy fucking shit what the hell. am I supposed to take that seriously or is he masking bodily functions with pomp

[Anonymous No.20268875]

>>20268448
based

[Anonymous No.20268916]

>>20263804
they just dont make things like they used to. books are made in factories now, not by artisans and craftsmen. even the nicest, fanciest hardcover books you can buy nowadays like those 30 dollar classics at barnes and noble are cheap, glued together, tacky imitations of what they used to make. they arent designed to last for hundreds of years and be passed down generations anymore, because that doesnt generate enough profit.

[Anonymous No.20268928]

he does a wonderful job with the cadence, feels like you're reading poetry in prose form.

[Anonymous No.20268991]

b-b-bros how is he gonna get up

[Anonymous No.20268993]

>>20263337
I'm just reading the book, listening to latin jazz, enjoying mancheugan cheese and shit posting when I get bored, that's the plan for me.

[Anonymous No.20268995]

>>20268991
Intrigued to find out too, that little shit would laced into him with his broken lance better get fucked up

[Anonymous No.20269016]

if he had to hold his visor when eating how does it stay on when he's riding his horse or walking around, is it something with his armor? and he cant take the helmet off cause he doesnt want to cut off the ribbons and cant untie them right?

[Anonymous No.20269020]

Now that Im reading it for the first time, the name of his horse it's kinda funny.

[Anonymous No.20269023]

>>20269016
I took it as he had to hold it out of the way as the ribbons would need to be cut to fully remove it.

[Anonymous No.20269024]

>>20268995
i hope the kid that got flogged finds him on the ground

[Anonymous No.20269034]

>>20269016
he has to open his visor to eat, it's closed when he's riding, no?

[Anonymous No.20269044]

>>20269023
>>20269034
oh yeah im retarded

[Anonymous No.20269060]

>>20268991
>>20268995
He's a man after my own heart.
>Get knocked down
>Feel kinda comfy all leaned up against your horse
>Just lay there chilling

[Anonymous No.20269070]

>>20265855
>LEARN SPANISH FAGGOT. PUT THIS BOOK DOWN NOW AND BURN IT FOR DEFILING MY DIVINE WORDS WITH GRINGO SPEAK

[Anonymous No.20269074]

Did anyone's translation not use the word 'niggardliness' in chapter 4?
>“Sir Knight, this youth that I am chastising is my servant, employed by me to watch a flock of sheep that I have hard by, and he is so careless that I lose one every day, and when I punish him for his carelessness and knavery he says I do it out of niggardliness, to escape paying him the wages I owe him, and before God, and on my soul, he lies.”

[Anonymous No.20269081]

>>20269070
**tears out a page and wraps it around meat to make a burrito**

[Anonymous No.20269088]

>>20269074
mine said skinflint, Rutherford

[Anonymous No.20269101]

>>20268233
I noticed this as well, it's really easy to get into quixote, Cervantes has got a great flow going

[Anonymous No.20269113]

>>20269074
Penguin classic edition here

[Anonymous No.20269128]

>>20263120
mogged

[Anonymous No.20269132]

>>20269070
Go get trampled in Pamplona, you half Arab moron.

[Anonymous No.20269138]

>>20269088
>>20269113
Interesting. That's why I like reading the older translations. Looks like the more modern editions went to the ol' thesaurus on that one.

[Anonymous No.20269149]

>>20269132
I think the anon you were replying to was just mocking Cervantes.

[Anonymous No.20269155]

>>20269149
mocking, but in an endearing kind of way. i understand his point about translations marring the original's intent

[Anonymous No.20269171]

[Anonymous No.20269183]

>>20269138
what do you mean thesaurus? It's just a different translation. I prefer skinflint, it's more casual

[Anonymous No.20269222]

>Yeah, I'm ok, I'm just tired. I'm gonna lay here for a bit, ok...

[Anonymous No.20269232]

>>20269222
>“Fly not, cowards and caitiffs! stay, for not by my fault, but my horse’s, am I stretched here.”

[Anonymous No.20269236]

>>20269222
Achievable natty?

[Anonymous No.20269248]

Do you bros think Quixote is going to bang Dulcinea by the end of the book?

[Anonymous No.20269259]

>>20263804
my old Cohen translation uses this as a cover. not mad
>>20269020
it's the most swagged name in the book maybe. he never gallops.

[Anonymous No.20269260]

>>20269222
kek this is exactly how i imagined it. wonder how he will get up

[Anonymous No.20269330]

>>20269259
That's a great painting...I still prefer the engravings though.

>>20269260
The engravings in the Ormsby book are on point.

[Anonymous No.20269339]

>>20269222
is he gonna be ok?

[Anonymous No.20269348]

>>20269259
beautiful

[Anonymous No.20269363]

>>20269339
he's always going to be ok, he is the main character

[Anonymous No.20269380]

>>20269363
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.20269404]

Just bought it! The lady at the register was impressed with its length ;)

[Anonymous No.20269418]

>>20269404
Did you wink at her?

[Anonymous No.20269419]

>>20269363
Bruh...He's the Knight of Lions...

[Anonymous No.20269452]

>>20269419
>>20269363
>>20269339
My takeaway from the end of chapter 4 is that Quixote can't get by on this vision quest all by himself. He needs a sidekick.

[Anonymous No.20269469]

>>20269452
He needs to stop autistically challenge groups of people to fight.

[Anonymous No.20269478]

>>20269469
hahaha...something tells me there's a lot more autism in store for us

[Anonymous No.20269483]

>>20269469
he needs someone with a different perspective to guide him and tell him which fights are worth it.

[Anonymous No.20269503]

>>20264628
>Republic of Argentina in Mexico
Dios mio

[Anonymous No.20269533]

>>20263069
>old man reads too many fantasy books and imagines himself a knight errant
This was literally me when I played Skyrim for the first time

[Anonymous No.20269535]

he's basically schizo posting in real life

[Anonymous No.20269546]

>>20269533
*dons don helmet*

[Anonymous No.20269557]

>>20269535
He's not schizo. The world is schizo. He's just a based retard for blinding himself to the truth.

[Anonymous No.20269562]

>>20269222
>>20267482
>>20267742
>>20268875
Love those illustrations, thanks Bulgariananon and others. I'd really appreciate it if you keep on posting these chapter by chapter.

[Anonymous No.20269602]

>>20269562
Those engravings are all here. Just read this version along with us. Although I do agree that we should continue to upload illustrations, paintings and engravings as we go.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/996/996-h/996-h.htm#ch9

[Anonymous No.20269613]

I'm happy I decided to finally read this and to do it with you guys, I was having a shitty week but reading today and this thread has made me a lot happier, so thanks for that. Can't wait for the rest of the threads.

[Anonymous No.20269630]

>>20269613
I'm glad to hear that, anon!

Something came up and I wasn't able to started Chap. IX— I'll probably just wait until the 25th to do so. Sort of busy until then

[Anonymous No.20269633]

>>20269630
start* not started. goddamn. sleep deprivation, baby.

[Anonymous No.20269644]

>>20269339
He will be fine, he's Don Quixote afterall.

[Anonymous No.20269647]

>>20269602
i saved a couple from when i started reading, ill upload what i got.

[Anonymous No.20269648]

>>20269613
It's one of those books I've intended to read for a long time. This thread was the perfect excuse to do it and I don't regret it.

[Anonymous No.20269652]

>>20269647
Might want to save this one for when we talk about chap 5-8

[Anonymous No.20269659]

For anons like myself who like to listen to music while reading, I have found that Beethoven's symphonies are a perfect accompaniment. What are others listening to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDn-aK71Cp4

[Anonymous No.20269683]

>>20269659
mostly latin jazz and spanish guitar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8jHwinJRyQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CivyfyP4jU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_goHl-GuNk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r__OAUapEZE
lil bit of funk too, been watching BCS lately sorry if that breaks your immersion.

[Anonymous No.20269692]

>>20269659
I don't normally listen to music unless there's loud chatter or noise I can't avoid, in which case I use some peaceful ambient stuff from /mu/ shillthreads. I find classical music too engaging, though I'm not much a fan of Beethoven compared to say, Bach, or Vivaldi.

[Anonymous No.20269700]

>>20269692
>>20269659
i like classical music, just find it too serious for quixote, want something a bit more whimsical and relaxed. i always listen to music when i read tho, i can read without music just isnt ideal

[Anonymous No.20269724]

>>20269683
This seems like good stuff. I'm a big fan of brazilian jazz, especially samba-funk.

>>20269692
>>20269700
It's funny you say that because I find Beethoven's symphonies to be quite whimsical myself. Perfect for reading adventures with airy melodies and constantly moving strings.

[Anonymous No.20269727]

>>20269724
now that im listening to the link you sent, it does fit quixote quite a bit actually.

[Anonymous No.20269748]

>>20269727
cheers bud

[Anonymous No.20269753]

Stumbled upon this hilarious article comparing Don Quixote to "reactionary right wing Americans".
https://quillette.com/2019/04/07/in-the-culture-wars-be-a-sancho-panza-not-a-don-quixote/

[Anonymous No.20269758]

>>20269724
I've tried listening to classical music while reading before, but I get distracted and start focusing more on the music than the book. Same with jazz. I find more repetitive music like the simcity soundtrack to be ideal because I get into a trance-like state and don't focus as much on the music. Might try the age of empires soundtrack with quixote, I think it'll work well.

[Anonymous No.20269771]

>>20269753
(((Newman))). Fuck I knew what I was getting before I even opened the link.

[Anonymous No.20269772]

>>20269758
The trick is to turn the volume down as low as possible. I agree with you that it becomes distracting but only if I have the volume too high. When I read I always have to create a playlist that goes along with the vibe of the book. I can't listen to electronic music or modern music when I read a book from the 17th century. When I read William Gibson or Heinlein I usually listen to synthwave with some trance mixed in.

[Anonymous No.20269775]

>>20269771
Hahah yeah. Funny how people will see their political boogeyman in 400 year old novels.

[Anonymous No.20269787]

>>20269753
>"were all just one human family!"
>covert white supremacy
just no way to win anymore is there. lets not discuss this trash any further please.

[Anonymous No.20269808]

>>20269787
With DQ triggering people I'd say winning is definitely still in the cards :P
I thought the article was funny, but agreed it's just trash

[Anonymous No.20269820]

>>20269787
ghee it's a good thing all the bad things congregate at one end of the triangle!

[Anonymous No.20269831]

>>20269787
>>20269820
Last post on this because I don't want to derail too much but my friend does most of the stuff in the overt section on a daily basis and she gets along fine.

[Anonymous No.20269857]

>>20267482
Then you didn't read the book

[Anonymous No.20270274]

>>20269857
Pictures help to build visualizations

[Anonymous No.20270338]

My book has 73 chapters

[Anonymous No.20270379]

>>20270338
Fuck Off Avellaneda

[Anonymous No.20270410]

>>20269183
I think in this instance the farmer's trying to mock Quixote's archaic speeches so it makes more sense to use dated, formal language.

[Anonymous No.20271108]

I liked when the priest and the barber are discussing which books are getting burned, desu

[Anonymous No.20271179]

>>20271108
Translationbros, we got too cocky...

[Anonymous No.20271273]

Anyone reading the lathrop translation?

It's the one my gf got me for Christmas, not realising translators matter lol

[Anonymous No.20271293]

>>20271108
I found it a slog, I think Cervantes put it in there to waste the reader's time by showcasing how well read he is.

[Anonymous No.20271496]

>>20271293
truly /ourguy/

[Anonymous No.20271549]

>>20268721
same lol

[Anonymous No.20271641]

>>20271496
Agreed, I found the prologue and poems amusing

[Anonymous No.20271694]

>>20271179
kek i came here to post this

[Anonymous No.20271697]

>and, what would be even worse, become a poet, and that, they say, is an incurable and contagious disease
poetryfags BTFO

[Anonymous No.20271797]

How did the windmills episode became so famous, it was only for half a page and it was seemingly without any consequences?

[Anonymous No.20271808]

>>20271797
it's very funny. iconic of the character. optimal metaphor.

[Anonymous No.20271847]

>>20271808
>>20271797
Attacking the windmills is the first funny episode. Most people read only the beginning.

[Anonymous No.20271898]

>>20271847
Stop spoiling

[Anonymous No.20271935]

>>20271898
The giants aren't real.

[Anonymous No.20271952]

>>20271935
>>20271898
Quixote isn't actually a knight

[Anonymous No.20271962]

I just read Don Quixote for the first time last summer but I might reread it again already just to do it with you fags.

[Anonymous No.20271999]

"I remember that a Spanish knight name Diego Pérez de Vargas, whose sword broke in battle, tore a heavy bough or branch from an oak tree and with it did such great deeds that day, and thrashed so many Moors, that he was called Machuca, the bruiser [...]"

Based Moor-slayer.

Really enjoying this read-along, Anon.

[Anonymous No.20272074]

>>20271641
>tfw this is as far as I got because I was tired from lugging logs around
go on without me bros

[Anonymous No.20272095]

>>20272074
The daily sections are quite manageable maybe 30mins a day. You'll be able to catch up tomorrow anon, I tend to read the morning before work cause I know I'll be tuckered out otherwise. No brother left behind! Tis the knight's code!

[Anonymous No.20272098]

>>20272095
I'll try...

[Anonymous No.20272170]

Biscay bros...not like this....

[Anonymous No.20272235]

>>20271273
I have that one too. It was the cheapest used one I found, I don't know how much that matters

[Anonymous No.20272319]

>>20271999
checked
and yes this has been quite fun, best reading group on lit so far

[Anonymous No.20272430]

>>20263069
Have you seen Man of La Mancha? Sophia Loren is smoking in it and O'Toole is always cool.

[Anonymous No.20272434]

>>20272430
I love women's jugs

[Anonymous No.20272437]

>>20263300
personally his paradise lost engravings are my favorite, and his engravings for the bible , but hes one of the most consistently good artists out there, his don quixote stuff is alot more fun than his usual work . epitome of gothic art

[Anonymous No.20272442]

>>20271108
>>20271293
I found it funny cause they were burning them to prevent others from going mad from reading them, even though the priest had obviously read all of them and hadn't gone mad

also the shade he was throwing to other authors and himself was pretty funny

[Anonymous No.20272451]

>mfw some countries don't require you to read Don Quixote in school
How? What the fuck do they teach you instead? This is the second most important book of all time, next to the Bible. Might as well do drugs or something, if you're not learning anything valuable.

[Anonymous No.20272454]

>>20272430
Oh yeah, I've seen maybe 5-6 different Don Quixote adaptations, including the Bulgarian tv-play of that musical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjiX21rMhw8

[Anonymous No.20272474]

I think this won't be the last time that Freston fucks with Don Quixote.

[Anonymous No.20272475]

>>20272451
Literature classes are a joke anyway, it's not like students read the books.

[Anonymous No.20272477]

>>20272451
in america we have to remove all the classics from required reading to make room for piles of social justice literature from the 20th century

[Anonymous No.20272480]

>>20272442
favorite part was when theyre debating if they should burn a book called sir john of the cross or something, and at first they find it distasteful to burn something entitled with "cross" but then one mentions that beneath every cross there is the devil, so they burn it anyways

[Anonymous No.20272495]

>>20272454
Spanish series adptation was excellent.
https://youtu.be/IVJEo92sy48
Knly first part of Don quixote, though.

[Anonymous No.20272498]

>>20272480
And at the end the housekeeper just burns them all anyway.

[Anonymous No.20272500]

>>20272451
>>20272477
yea school libraries are mostly filled with race and gender propaganda now, and the stuff they read in class is a joke. i didnt even see lord of the rings or any fantasy stuff besides harry potter last time i was in one. colleges are pretty bad too, they give away classic books alot to fill it in with garbage . good way to get free books on interesting subjects tho. surprised no one has posted this pic in any of these threads yet.

[Anonymous No.20272525]

>>20272495
Looks pretty good. I'll try to find it after we finish the book.
The last Spanish series I watched was that one about Isabella that was made ~10 years ago.

[Anonymous No.20272633]

Really enjoying it for now, is there some kind of hidden meaning in the story that i should look for, or should i simply let my mind follow the path ?

[Anonymous No.20272646]

>>20272451
Canada here. For High School, we read To Kill a Mockingbird, Catcher in the Rye, Great Gatsby, and Lord of the Flies. Plus some Shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.20272653]

>>20272633
The biggest main thing is how it highlights the interiority and particularity of individual subjects instead of seeing them as instances of archetypal roles, or defining them against an "epic" background (Christian morality conquering evil for example) whose values are taken for granted and taken very seriously

To depict individuals in rich interiority and at odds with their society, even implicitly critiquing it, rather than having two states you can be in: a high exemplar of society's backbone virtues and thus an archetypal character, or a "low," "dissolute" person who only exists to be fodder or to be an example of failed virtue, is arguably new in the 16th century. It has complex connections with the diffusion of Italian humanism into other countries by then.

If you have time or interest, quickly reading about Cassirer's and Burckhardt's thoughts on the emergence of the individual and the self in the Renaissance might be interesting. Or reading about Barbara Tuchman's thesis on how the Black Plague changed European consciousness. Just some general things like this, to think about how Christian Europe produced a highly individualistic culture with tons of room for subjectivity and interiority. It's definitely too simple to say "Cervantes and Shakespeare created the modern subject" as some people do, it's better to get a sense of how the Renaissance both caused this and became a vehicle and container for more diverse causes of it, and how this percolated through Europe in the 16th century.

It may be especially interesting in Spain because Spain is a little slow on the uptake, French Renaissance was very early because of the royal court's connections with Italy and the Medici, the Elizabethan court was a free for all of occultists and plots and dandies, but Spain had its own rate of change, so maybe Cervantes' contrasting of Don Quixote's reading material and Don Quixote's own interiority says something very interesting about the clash of the two "worlds" that only took place in his lifetime in his locale.

[Anonymous No.20272662]

>>20272633
not sure yet either. i can tell cervantes is well read on knightly culture, but its hard to tell if hes completely mocking it or dismaying its decay at his time. thats my take from it at least. tragic comedy. or comedic tragedy.
>>20272653
thanks for the recommend on the tuchman, sounds interesting

[Anonymous No.20272667]

>>20272653
appreciated, I'm often too retarded to into themes

[Anonymous No.20272684]

>>20272500
>>20272477
NA is fucked beyond repair. What perplexed me the most when I first discovered /lit/ is how many people have never read the Illiad; mind you, I had to read it in 8th grade.
>>20272646
When you say "high school", you mean the period from 9-12th grade, right? That would imply that you read and analyze a single fucking book throughout the full 9 month school year. That would also suggest that some people take exams on that same book and manage to fail them. I don't intend to sound condescending or something, but this is just depressing to hear.

[Anonymous No.20272694]

Bump limit reached. Time to create another thread?

[Anonymous No.20272709]

>>20272694
There's no hurry, this one will disappear in 10-15 hours.
Can we please keep putting normal pics in OP that are from DQ movies or illustrations and not retard shit?

[Anonymous No.20272723]

Samuel Putnam bros...

[Anonymous No.20272734]

>>20272684
You have no idea how retarded the normal english classes are. When we read the great Gatsby, we'd do it a few chapters at a time, then watch the corresponding section of the movie, then another few chapter until we finished it. We barely had any reading assignment outside of class.

[Anonymous No.20272739]

>>20272653
This is very well stated and I think spot on with the cultural intent behind the book. This is my first time reading it and I found it quite enjoyable so I am continuing at my own pace. I'm not trying to open the door to spoilers or discussing chapters beyond the scope of today's reading, however, chapters 14, 15 and 16 in part 1 caused me to come to the same conclusion as you.

[Anonymous No.20272760]

>>20272684
So yes I do mean 9-12, we did a book and a play for the english class. So about half the semester for both, and yes people did take exams on them, and yes they did indeed fail them. For every 1 student who enjoyed reading, about 19 others had no interest in the books at all.

[Anonymous No.20272833]

>>20272684
>>20272734
even AP english was pretty bad, i think the most advanced thing we read was beowulf, and i dont remember us ever actually reading it in class except maybe the very first part of it, we just watched that shitty CGI movie and had an extremely basic test that mostly asked about shit you could glean from the movie/sparknotes
>>20272709
not a fan of dores other works i see

[Anonymous No.20272878]

>Cervantes including his own book among Quixote's collection
>the priest mentioning a promised but unreleased sequel
>said sequel never being released
kek

[Anonymous No.20272983]

>>20271797
It makes for good illustrations.

[Anonymous No.20273002]

>>20269753
i immediately noticed this article’s age when they considered ‘kraut and tea’ as alt-right. wonder how they’d be able to replicate this today or with other online networks like breadtube.

[Anonymous No.20273068]

>>20271293
I thought it was a bit of a slog as well. It was funny but damn it didn’t need to go in for that long. Liked how the entire time the priest was like “oh yea, I read that one, keep it, it’s good.” Was kinda funny nobody stopped to think for even a moment. Almost mirrors Quixote in a way

[Anonymous No.20273141]

in 6 hours UTC we start chapter 9 (i.e. part 2 of the first part of The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha), don't we?

bros, what do you think is going to happen to the basque?

[Anonymous No.20273201]

>>20273141
he’ll turn into a windmill thus validating Quixote’s madness as gospel

[Anonymous No.20273288]

>>20273141
More importantly, is this our first "meta moment"?
>But it spoils all, that at this point and crisis the author of the history leaves this battle impending, giving as excuse that he could find nothing more written about these achievements of Don Quixote than what has been already set forth.
So our author just bailed on the book halfway through a duel. Pretty funny honestly. What's going to happen to the rest of the book?

[Anonymous No.20273329]

I see DQ keeps with the tradition of the main part people talk about being in the first chapters. Like the weed addict in Infinite Jest or "lol xd bananas" in Gravity's Rainbow.

[Anonymous No.20273337]

I just read today's chapters, man I love this book. The windmills part was hilarious and I think I am going to fall in love with the sancho panza character. Left us on a cliff hanger with that basque fight.

>>20272451
Ireland here, I so wish we got to read Don Quixote in school. We only ever read Holes and The Boy in the Striped pajamas and harry potter, that was in primary school, we read them for years and then got to watch the movies. In secondary school (high school) I only remember reading some shitty modern book the English teacher picked up at the supermarket that week.

[Anonymous No.20273356]

Anyone else get monty python vibes while reading?

[Anonymous No.20273374]

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[Anonymous No.20273502]

>>20273337
>Ireland here, I so wish we got to read Don Quixote in school. We only ever read Holes and The Boy in the Striped pajamas and harry potter
oh no, you never touched Joyce or Yeats? In America I never read Twain or Faulkner; it was evidently more important to read Angelou and Lee

[Anonymous No.20273509]

>>20273502
>oh no, you never touched Joyce or Yeats?
Never even heard of them until my late teens as well as other well known Irish writers, we contributed so much to literature yet our schools thought the boy in the striped pj's was more important, really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.20273520]

>>20272684
>That would also suggest that some people take exams on that same book and manage to fail them. I don't intend to sound condescending or something, but this is just depressing to hear

[Anonymous No.20273573]

>>20273520
Fuck, I was meant to add to this and not just requote it.

It is sad anon. I live in Australia, we have some of the worst education in the modern world, our media has basically secured a corrupt government that will never be voted out for more than 3 years at a time. Our values towards education are fucked, for example, when the CSIRO developed wifi in the early 2000s, our corrupt government didn't patent it or seek to make any money from arguably one of the most important technologies of the 21st century. Instead, this government wants to drill into people that the only honest living that deserves pay is backbreaking labor, or drilling the Earth for minerals and selling raw materials. The majority of people here have no respect for the power of education, no respect fpr science or culture. When we read books for classes, I'd finish it on the weekend, and most other people in my grade wouldn't even finish the movie. It's not that they can't read a book, it's that they're extremely disenfranchised from the concept of being educated. They actively think education is bad, and being smart and well read is something to be ashamed of. On top of that, poverty is a huge issue, as you can imagine from an economy that doesn't value science (apart from medicine, but we seldom make anything of value there). If you have to work 4 hours a day on top of school to try counter your parents' drug addiction, or your parents are getting sent to prison and you won't see them til you're 23, or your mum just dies, or some similar such circumstance occurs, you'd probably struggle to see how school matters either. Of course, most of the dropkicks are just lazy and have no values, they're probably living in a single parent household where mum and dad don't have enough time for them, so they act out in school for attention. Our pansy rules don't actually reprimand the kids at all, and so you get an education system that becomes worse and worse as kids take up more and more time misbehaving with no serious consequence.