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[Anonymous No.20257873]

Cute-Looking Gays edition

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Mega: https://mega dot nz/folder/9o4QEIIK#P3piz8Bfw-z7jgb7Q8NWDg

A general dedicated to classical languages and literature.
Does anyone want to make and maintain a Semitic Mega? How about a Germanic Mega?

[Anonymous No.20257883]

>>20257873
Cum

[Anonymous No.20257948]

Dead thread

[Anonymous No.20257967]

Which lipsi chapter did you reach?

[Anonymous No.20258009]

>>20257967
Never read it. I did Wheelock, and now, I am getting 99% in a poetry class after skipping a semester.

[Anonymous No.20258014]

>>20257967
im at XV currently

[Anonymous No.20258044]

>>20257967
finished it in about a month. some of the poetry in that last chapter still filters me but overall it was easier than i expected. i skipped the grammar sections/exercises because i don't care and just read the main text + supplements for that chapter.

[Anonymous No.20258112]

>>20257967
Currently on the Fabulae Syrae section of XXX. Because I live in a country where literally no Latin text can be bought, I asked a friend of mine to get me the complete works of Vergilius when he comes from the US. I hope I'll be able to read Vergil when I'm done with Roma Aeterna and the other supplements.
(It's still not too late, though. I could ask him to get me Cicero's Epistulae ad Familiares if that'd be easier/more pleasurable for me later. Should I? I'm only mentioning cheap one-volume works, by the way, because I'm broke :P)

[Anonymous No.20258198]

>>20258112
You can pirate or find books given away for free online in Latin. Do you want websites? Name one or two books, and I'll find them for you right now.

[Anonymous No.20258210]

>>20258198
oh no I just have a knack for physical books haha dw. The very means by which I study latin is by pirating LLPSI so I've got those covered. I was just trying to obtain at least one Latin book that I can keep with myself and visit again and again as a tangible token to myself of my learning.
I realize how vain the thought is haha

[Anonymous No.20258326]

Just got an Old Bulgarian dictionary, it's pretty cool, two volumes with ~2400 pages.

[Anonymous No.20258341]

>>20257967
I'm on 17, but I'm also doing the workbook, reading two of the supplementary story booklets, and generally read the main story text of each chapter twice. It's slow going but I think it's getting it into my brain more than it would if I just breezed through only the main textbook. I will likely do Wheelock after I'm done in order to get a stronger grasp of the grammar. I wish I could get good quickly but I understand how the process works.

[Anonymous No.20258656]

>oh I'm sorry, you thought this adjective having perfectly normal -ος and -ον masculine and neuter endings also has a normal -ᾱ feminine ending?
>too bad, feminine = masculine, get fucked, you need to remember which ones are three way and which aren't, cope

[Anonymous No.20258714]

Long shot, but I'm a Latin/Greek student interested mainly in pastoral poetry. Does anyone have experience (Hebrew or not) with the pastoral content of the Bible, or perhaps other near-eastern literature? Do you see parallels or even influences?

[Anonymous No.20259113]

>>20258009
Whatever works for you! I think it would still help to read after Wheelock to reinforce core vocab.

[Anonymous No.20259121]

>>20258044
One month is pretty fast. I would like to ask:

1. Are you a native English speaker?
2. Do you speak a Romance language?
3. Do you speak another inflected language like Russian, German, Japanese etc...?

[Anonymous No.20259202]

>>20259113
I haven't given the LLPSI and its Greek equivalent anything more than a glance. My experience with fake Latin novels and using the LLPSI as a supplement is non-existent. However, people in this general and irl have told me not to bother with them at the end of last semester. Now, approaching the end of this semester with excellent grades, there is absolutely no reason for me to read fake Latin or Greek, since I can read the real stuff just fine. It's only a matter of reading more of it. I will admit that such books may have been useful to me in the past to keep in-shape and improve a little during breaks.

[Anonymous No.20259311]

Experiencedbros, what how do you go from reading this
>Epaphroditus, a Paride atque Domitia elusus, eos ulcisci vehementissime cupiebat. Imperator quoque, ira et suspicione commotus, Epaphroditum saepe hortabatur ut Paridem Domitiamque puniret. Epaphrodito tamen difficile erat Domitiam, uxorem Imperatoris, et Paridem, pantomimum notissimum, aperte accusare. auxilium igitur ab amico Salvio petivit. Epaphroditus 'non modo ego,' inquit, 'sed etiam Imperator Paridem Domitiamque punire cupit. si me in hac re adiuveris, magnum praemium tibi dabitur.' Salvius, re paulisper cogitata, tranquille respondit: 'confide mihi, amice; ego tibi rem totam administrabo. insidiae parabuntur; Domitia et Paris in insidias elicientur; abo capientur et punientur.' 'quid Domitiae accidet?' rogavit Epaphroditus. 'Domitia accusabitur; damnabitur; fortasse relegabitur.' 'et Paris' Salvius risit. 'emovebitur.'
to this
>Nōn dubitō fore plērōsque, Attice, quī hoc genus scrīptūrae leve et nōn satis dīgnum summōrum virōrum persōnīs iūdicent, cum relātum legent, quis mūsicam docuerit Epamīnōndam, aut in ēius virtūtibus commemorārī saltāsse eum commodē scienterque tībiīs cantāsse. (2) Sed hī erunt ferē, quī expertēs litterārum Graecārum nihil rēctum, nisi quod ipsōrum mōribus conveniat, putābunt. (3) Hī sī didicerint nōn eadem omnibus esse honesta atque turpia, sed omnia maiōrum īnstitūtīs iūdicārī, nōn admīrābuntur nōs in Grāiōrum virtūtibus expōnendīs mōrēs eōrum secūtōs. (4) Neque enim Cīmōnī fuit turpe, Athēniēnsium summō virō, sorōrem germānam habēre in mātrimōniō, quippe cum cīvēs ēius eōdem ūterentur īnstitūtō. At id quidem nostrīs mōribus nefās habētur. Laudī in Crētā dūcitur adulēscentulīs quam plūrimōs habuisse amātōrēs. Nūlla Lacedaemonī vidua tam est nōbilis, quae nōn ad cēnam eat mercēde conducta.
which is supposed to be the easiest beginner Latin of all time

What does it feel like to go from the basic stuff to the real stuff. I feel like the jump between the two doesn't make sense, there are so many things in the second text where I am completely lost.

[Anonymous No.20259829]

>>20259202
>I can read the real stuff just fine.
Do you have to constantly stop and check a dictionary? If not, how did you gain a large enough vocab? I'm a Wheelock user too, but it doesn't even teach 1,000 words.

[Anonymous No.20259852]

Thoughts on the Thebaid?

[Anonymous No.20260436]

>>20259829
Large vocab comes from reading. Your brain associates words with context very well. At first, reading authentic Latin will involve lots of dictionary use, but the more you read, the less necessary this is.

[Anonymous No.20260743]

>>20260436
Okay, but this is why people use LLPSI because it teaches the 2,000 most common words which are essential in any language learning. You can read somewhere between 80-95% of all words that appear in texts by learning them.

[Anonymous No.20261210]

>>20260743
You haven't finished LLPSI and cannot read Latin

[Anonymous No.20261218]

An exercise for /clg/
This is the entirety of the infamous Catullus 16. It would get posted here eventually so why not now. Post your translations and see how they compare with others.

[Anonymous No.20261229]

>>20259852
Good read. More difficult than Virgil, not as prodigious but still a great work in its own right. Statius' language borders on purple at times.
The Aeneid should be read first.

[Anonymous No.20261322]

>>20257967
XXXVII
Im on Roma Aeterna right now. Extremely Kino

[Anonymous No.20261517]

>>20247759
can you be more specific? do you sit down and then write it down 100 times or do you write it down 100 times on different days? if it's the former how many times do you do that?

[Anonymous No.20261657]

>>20260743
You see, the LLPSI doesn't teach 2,000 words. This is because the LLPSI is not a teaching instrument. People who read the LLPSI will not learn how to read Latin.

[Anonymous No.20261668]

>>20257967
on 13 right now
I haven't done any of my latin for over a week now and it's getting to me

[Anonymous No.20261728]

>>20258009
I didn't asked about Wheelock.

[Anonymous No.20261853]

>>20261218
I was buttfucking and mouthfucking you,
Aurelius faggot and faggot Furius,
who, from my little verses, thought I wasn't very bashful,
for those are tender.
In fact, being chaste suits the pious poet himself,
it's not necessary for his verses;
which then finally are edgy and salty,
if they are tender and not very bashful,
and can incite, because they're exiting,
I'm not saying boys, but these hairy satyrs,
who can't even move their rigid backs.
You, who've read several thousands of kisses,
considered I was a bad male?
I buttfucked and mouthfucked you.

[Anonymous No.20261864]

>>20261218
I will buttfuck and mouthfuck you,
Aurelius faggot and faggot Furius,
who, from my little verses, thought I wasn't very bashful,
for those are tender.
In fact, being chaste suits the pious poet himself,
it's not necessary for his verses;
which then finally are edgy and salty,
if they are tender and not very bashful,
and can incite, because they're exiting,
I'm not saying boys, but these hairy satyrs,
who can't even move their rigid backs.
You, who've read several thousands of kisses,
considered I was a bad male?
I will buttfuck and mouthfuck you.

[Anonymous No.20261947]

>>20261864
There's something I don't understand. Catullus seems angry because he's accused of being indecent because his verses are "molliculi". But then he threatens to rape those two guys. Is it irony or was corrective rape considered "decent"? Maybe are two different forms of indecency?: he will transmute the indecency of being "mollis" into the indecency of being a raper?

[Anonymous No.20262477]

>>20261947
He's shittalking his friends, just a bit of banter

[Anonymous No.20262680]

you losers out here still arguing about a textbook while this lil nigga is perfecting his greek and latin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2mMnx7q21Y

[Anonymous No.20262714]

honest questions:
how many great greeks works there are?
they are more greeks or roman ones?
which language is harder to learn, greek or roman?
which of them gives you more satisfaction?

[Anonymous No.20262745]

>>20261947
Catullus is being called a man-whore because of the previous poem with the thousand kisses. This is what fires him up. His argument is that, while it is good for the poet himself to be chaste, his poems should be vulgar. Therefore he drives the crudeness up to eleven to be consistent with his argument and hyperbolize.

[Anonymous No.20262786]

>>20260743
I said large vocab, not common vocab. All Latin textbooks teach you the one or two thousand most common words, rightly so. In a limited amount of space you pick the ones that are most important. But literacy requires you learn many more than that. If you see words like "erus" or "mancipium," which appear only rarely, the easiest way to remember them is context in a sentence. I did anki for all the words in Wheelock but found that it was far easier to remember vocab from Lucretius and Plautus through just reading.

[Anonymous No.20262795]

>>20262714
>how many great greeks works there are?
enough that you'll not be able to read all of them in your lifetime (in greek), and that goes only for the ones that have survived
>they are more greeks or roman ones?
yes, greek had a 500 year head start and their literary tradition shined through the ages of the roman empire. also some romans preferred to write in greek as well.
>which language is harder to learn, greek or roman?
people say that the learning curve at the beginning is steeper for greek but it evens out later. however given all the superior learning materials that latin has i'd say that even later in your studies greek offers a greater challenge.
>which of them gives you more satisfaction?
greek, but only because i find the authors more worthwhile. i do think that latin is still the more elegant and beautiful language.

[Anonymous No.20262822]

>>20262795
okay thank you for your answer, i'll be learning greek so. But, how it is come that
>enough that you'll not be able to read all of them in your lifetime
? I mean sure there are a lot of greek works but are there that much of quality ones?

[Anonymous No.20262900]

>>20262822
>are there that much of quality ones
depends what you are into i guess but let's say you're interested in philosophy so you bang your head against Plato for who knows how long, then read every major work from Aristotle, then to move to Plotinus, then Iamblichus and then to Proclus. we're talking about decades of work and that's just the most famous neo-platonists. there are plenty of gems when you dive deeper. what's good to remember is that the texts that we have today are copies of copies of copies of copies so you have to ask yourself: would someone put so much effort into preserving a mediocre work?

[Anonymous No.20262915]

>>20262745
that makes sense thanks

[Anonymous No.20262918]

Why do you guys like fuckin gay people so much?

[Anonymous No.20262924]

>>20262900
>would someone put so much effort into preserving a mediocre work?
Diogenes Laertius's book has survived

[Anonymous No.20262932]

>>20262900
>would someone put so much effort into preserving a mediocre work?
pretty good observation, i hadn't thought of that.
You have convinced me, i'll learn greek. Can you give me some resources? I can search them but if you know which are the better ones i would appreciate if you share them.

Another question: is it the modern greek the same language as the ancient one? I know it is different but how different? as different as old english and modern english? more? that could be the case since it has passed so many years

[Anonymous No.20262945]

>>20262918
Anti-feminism and appreciation of traditional culture.

[Anonymous No.20263025]

>>20262932
>Can you give me some resources?
The Italian Athenaze is the best textbook i have seen, however I didn't use it myself to learn Greek but a much inferior book that i wouldn't recommend.
>I can search them
That's good and you should look for as many different resources as possible. Textkit, the forum for classical languages regularly discusses and compares the best materials and methods for learning.
>is it the modern greek the same language as the ancient one...
Don't have much experience with modern Greek, apparently the differences are about as big as with old English, as you said.

[Anonymous No.20263136]

>>20263025
thank you so much, i'll be around here in some time

[Anonymous No.20263222]

>>20262714
Here's the complete Loebs classical Green is Greek, red is Latin, there's more in Greek but this isn't a perfect comparison necessarily, but gives you a rough idea. Latin has much larger corpus in the Renaissance if you're into that

Greek is harder I'm told but I don't know why as I don't know Latin.

Personally I'm interested in Greek history, Greek philosophy, and Greek thought, so i chose to learn Greek, choose something that interests you and commit 100% that's all there is to it.

[Anonymous No.20263270]

>>20263222
I can read both Latin and Greek more or less "fluently" and I feel that they are both about the same level of difficulty. The reason Greek feels harder is that more of the words are unfamiliar, but grammatically speaking, I think Greek is actually somewhat easier. The verb system is Greek is a bit more elaborate (and therefore often less ambiguous) and the noun system has articles and an easier case system, so I found that Greek, if anything, becomes easier after the initial hump (maybe 1 year of dedicated study in).

Literary Latin, especially poetry, is imo quite a bit harder than literary Greek (prose and poetry).

[Anonymous No.20263295]

>>20263270
Does knowing one in depth make the other easier to learn in your opinion? (if you didn't learn them at the same time)
It seems both have some grammatical similarities, so maybe learning one first can make thing easier, like learning a romance language is easier if you already know one.

[Anonymous No.20263333]

>>20263222
>but gives you a rough idea
it does, ty

>choose something that interests
i'm interested in both probably because i don't know much about both of them. I know about greek philosophy: tales, anaxminenes, anaximander, plato, aristotle, socrates, pitagoras, gorgias, heraclitus, etc. About roman/latin i know some roman empire history, some christian philosophy (pe aquinas) and seneca (one of my favourites philosophers of all time).

>commit 100%
you can be sure i'll do it. Starting today studying greek because obviously im not reading translations

[Anonymous No.20263398]

>>20262932
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq5ea-jR9u2puDaLoRL-nBkpwrkURbLjT

I used this video series but I didn't follow Hansen and Quinn like they did. I used pic related, which I would recommend as it forces you to drill tones, 1st and 2nd declension, and active and middle voice within the first couple chapters. It was a big learning curve at first but it pays off as it gets a big chunk of memorization done with right away. I also liked how things were organized and the fact it made you do challenging readings right away.

[Anonymous No.20263406]

>>20263398
Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.20263442]

>>20263398
>https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq5ea-jR9u2puDaLoRL-nBkpwrkURbLjT
wow 114 videos, thank you

>I used pic related
ok i'll use that an intro to ancient greek, The Italian Athenaze (which this anon >>20263025 recommended) and Hansen and Quinn, better 3 sources than one :)

>>20263406
>Forgot pic
np

[Anonymous No.20263564]

>>20263295
Their grammatical systems work essentially in the same way, so yes, knowing one provides a massive leg up on learning the other. Consider that these languages only split from one another maybe 2000 years before they are first attested, so while they definitely differ from one another, you can see the same underlying structure in each one and there are many obvious cognates.

[Anonymous No.20263699]

what's a typical series of increasingly difficult texts students of Greek go through in their learning process?
e.g for Latin it's maybe something like Caesar/Nepos/Phaedus -> Cicero/Virgil/Sallust -> Tacitus, etc..., with maybe medievals or ecclesiastical texts here and there in their varying difficulty

[Anonymous No.20263749]

>>20263564
Interesting, thanks

[Anonymous No.20263756]

>>20263699
im interested in that, too

[Anonymous No.20263776]

>>20261218
reciting this with my friend on trumpet at my college's open mic night soon. will post results once I do if anyone is interested

[Anonymous No.20264336]

>>20263699
Xenophon / New Testament / Herodotus are generally considered on the " easy end", Thucydides one of the hardest prose writers

Here's a post on the topic
https://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?t=62690#:~:text=Plato%20reads%20somewhat%20more%20easily,level%20found%20him%20very%20difficult.

[Anonymous No.20264352]

I'm feeling burnt out, /clg/. I'm tired and I can't make myself care about Latin anymore. After a few lines, I can't help but wonder why I even bother. Nothing interests me now, prose or poetry, long or short.

Do I take a break? Push through? Finally start on Greek instead? What was the last piece you read that you were really excited about?

[Anonymous No.20264442]

>>20263699
I have heard that the gospel of John is one of the easiest texts and that it has a very small vocabulary

[Anonymous No.20264516]

>Rosie fingered Dawn
More like COomer

[Anonymous No.20264519]

>>20261210
>>20261657
Please don't start this again. I am a Wheelock reader who is going through LLPSI as well. I am not in your shitty debate. I like them both.

[Anonymous No.20264532]

>>20264352
Read Cicero and learn the eternal and necessary meaning of "philosophy"

[Anonymous No.20264783]

>>20263699
>>20264336
>>20264442
Greek in the Bible is Koine Greek and is a form of very dumbed down Attic Greek, simplified for the shitskins now living under the vast Hellenic empires leftover from Alexander's conquest. On top of being simplified for Egyptian, Aramaic, Persian, Assyrian and Jewish slaves to understand, it is missing a lot of aspects of Attic Greek, so don't bother.

[Anonymous No.20264899]

Ok bros.
Should I read LLSPI or Wheelock + Anki? Which is best for getting quickly to reading Ovid's Metamorphoses?

[Anonymous No.20264927]

>>20264532
Ugh. That sounds exhausting.

[Anonymous No.20265482]

>>20264899
Both.Why on earth would you try and exclusively use either like you are picking sides in some game?

Don't tell me that you fell for the meme that these are both textbooks with competing teaching styles? One is something called a grammar primer, the other is a graded reader - not a textbook.

>1. If you are a waterhead who doesn't know what an adverb is
-Read LLPSI first, then Wheelock after for review.
>2. If you are of average intelligence and know the 8 parts of speech and aren't too lazy to write out paradigms
-Read Wheelock first, then LLPSI after.
>3. If you are smart enough, have enough free time, and are actually serious about learning Latin
-Use both at the same time. Wheelock has 40 chapters and LLPSI has 35. Do the first 5 Wheelock chapters to get a basic idea of how the language works, and then start LLPSI.

[Anonymous No.20265616]

>>20264783
Why would you limit yourself to Attic Greek? You refuse to read Plotinus or Longinus because they write in "simplified for the shitskins," or do you actually know Greek at all?

[Anonymous No.20265684]

>>20265616
>limit
very interesting choice of words there. what's the "limit" when if you know Attic, you will understand Koine anyway? Koine is a literal pidgin of Attic and you're trying to imply it's some rich literary heritage?
>Plotinus
wrote in Attic. his version of Koine is literally referred to as Atticized Koine. are you seriously trying to suggest that Plotinus wrote the Enneads, based on Plato's philosophy written in Attic, in a pidgin form of Greek?

intellectuals still wrote in Attic Greek well into the age of Koine for a reason. since you're implying learning Attic limits you, do you actually know Greek at all?

[Anonymous No.20265755]

>attic elitism

[Anonymous No.20265765]

>>20265684
My bad, meant Attic writers. Of course I would advice anyone to learn Attic, even if their main interest lies in Homer or The Bible. Still, nothing wrong with reading The Bible if you are just starting out, working through Matthew is going to be a much smoother experience than Xenophon or Lysias. Also you read The Lord's word as he intended.
>Koine is a literal pidgin of Attic
Wrong

[Anonymous No.20265864]

>>20264783
The Koine of the Bible is not representative of all Koine. Some of the novels can be incredibly difficult. It's about your audience, and the audience for the NT weren't geniuses. That said, reading the Bible is great fun because of how easy it is. That is not so true for Hebrew and Aramaic, however.

[Anonymous No.20265974]

>>20265765
>can't even use advice/advise correctly, expects me to care for his shilling of the Bible
didn't ask for advice on reading your Hebrew book
>read The Lord's word as he intended
couldn't give a shit about Yahweh's "word", shitskin
>Wrong
okay amerimutt, go cope about it

>>20265864
>The Koine of the Bible is not representative of all Koine
not relevant, he mentioned Plotinus as if he is an example of Koine writing when he isn't.
>the audience for the NT weren't geniuses
you don't say. what does this have to do with anything I've said?


imagine being people who learn ancient Greek just to shill a kike religious text that was only written in Greek because it could reach a wider audience instead of bothering to read the actual philosophy and literature the indigenous people wrote for themselves. amerimutts are subhuman

[Anonymous No.20266357]

dowling method:
am i supposed to write it down 100 times in one sitting?

[Anonymous No.20266418]

>>20265974
>Amerimutt
cringe

[Anonymous No.20266442]

>>20266357
no lol

[Anonymous No.20266575]

>>20266357
>am i supposed to write it down 100 times in one sitting?
Shows the total cognitive power of the brainlets who fall for this meme.

[Anonymous No.20266594]

>>20266575
so how many times then?

[Anonymous No.20266611]

>>20266357
stop calling it that. it's The Ranieri-dowling method

[Anonymous No.20266612]

>>20266575
also how is it a "meme"? are you sure you're using that word correctly?

[Anonymous No.20266616]

>>20266611
the ranieri-dowling method is based on audio, no?

[Anonymous No.20266663]

>>20266612
>also how is it a "meme"?
crazy to think that there are still people discovering this godforsaken site

[Anonymous No.20266681]

>>20266663
i'm not a newfag and i know what you meant by it but your usage of the word is simply incorrect.

[Anonymous No.20266722]

>>20266418
uh huh, seethe

[Anonymous No.20266860]

>>20259121
1 no
2 a bit of french
3 yes, a slavic language natively

[Anonymous No.20266877]

>>20257873
Anyone know of a book with a general overview of proto Uralic? I'm having a really hard time finding anything

[Anonymous No.20267082]

>>20265974
>didn't ask for advice on reading your Hebrew book
Literally no one asked for your schizo rant, no shit the NT is ESL tier, and every classicist I know hates bumpkin seminaries that don't even teach the pitch accents as they "don't matter".
The new testament is still a good beginner text and given the importance to Western history and simplicity

[Anonymous No.20267184]

>>20266612
Everything that can be though is a meme. When used like that, it implies the idea called 'meme' has very little value: just something which is remembered.

[Anonymous No.20267560]

>>20262680
based nigga

[Anonymous No.20267790]

>>20265974
Do you know how to read Hebrew and Aramaic? I do. I rarely see anyone in these threads who knows anything about the two languages. I know Greek also. Don't you think I might know something about Judaism? I do know a bit about the NT. I don't think it's worth explaining my thoughts on the Bible to a moron like you, so I'm going to stop here.
שלומ

[Anonymous No.20267887]

>>20267790
>types a single 4-letter common word
>makes a mistake in it
Thanks, keep your insights

[Anonymous No.20267895]

>>20262918
Greek patricians had it right: men are superior both in physical and mental beauty.

[Anonymous No.20268031]

>>20267887
I'm not going to bother locating a final mem on my phone's keyboard. You're still an overly confident retard.

[Anonymous No.20268345]

>>20267895
>physical
it is sad i cant appreciate that, fucking heterosexuality

[Anonymous No.20268477]

>>20264352
Why did you started learning Latin? If nothing written in Latin interests you, why even bother?

[Anonymous No.20268609]

>>20257967
Did up to chapter 7 once, for some reason left latin altogether but then retook it and Im halfway through chapter 3. Is there a better way to learn latin aside from LLPSI

[Anonymous No.20269118]

>>20267895
okay fair

[Anonymous No.20269725]

>>20266594
Until you have it memorized. Stop listening to YouTubers that tell you there is some kind of magic number. If you only need to write it 5 times and never again, then do that. If you need to write it 500 times over the course of 2 years, then do that.

[Anonymous No.20269755]

>>20266860
Any advice for how to get through the book faster?

[Anonymous No.20269756]

>>20269755
read it faster

[Anonymous No.20269757]

>>20268609
I'm at chapter 13 rn and it's brutal man

[Anonymous No.20269768]

>>20269756
If I read a chapter a day, I feel like I won't remember any vocab.

[Anonymous No.20270497]

Thoughts/opinions on the Reading Greek: Text and Vocabulary series by the Joint Association of Classical Teachers? I can get several of their greek books for a good price.

[Anonymous No.20270924]

>>20263222
Top left are OCT's

[Anonymous No.20270931]

>>20265482
Best advice and will thus go ignored

[Anonymous No.20270942]

>>20270497
Not bad for a reader. If you are just starting out you will need a grammar book as well. Text and Vocabulary is all readings with vocab notes but little grammatical explanation.

[Anonymous No.20270952]

>>20270931
This desu. I figured my post would get no (you)s. Hopefully some lurkers will at least read it and stop bickering over those books. They might actually have a chance for success.

Anyways. Does anyone have advice for after Latin & Greek how to take on Hebrew, Aramaic, Syriac & Coptic? I'm assuming in that order is best, but I'm not sure.

Also I think Syriac looks cool as fuck, but is there anything really worth reading in it besides eastern orthodox church fathers? I know what I want to read in Hebrew, Aramaic, & Coptic, but not sure if taking the time to learn Syriac would be worth it.

[Anonymous No.20270956]

>>20270942
Doesn't it have it's own grammar book? The Reading Latin series does. It has a text & vocab book, a study guide, & a grammar.

[Anonymous No.20270964]

>>20270956
Yes, all three and they are in the Mega. The Grammar book is mediocre but it will suffice.

[Anonymous No.20271907]

lol Pāli kinda looks like the ebonics version of Sanskrit

[Anonymous No.20272012]

>>20270942
>>20270956
Appreciate it. Is there a recommended grammar book you'd suggest?

[Anonymous No.20272037]

>>20269768
it doesn't matter if you "remember" vocab, it only matters if you recognize it in context.

[Anonymous No.20272119]

>>20257873
Latin or Greek first?

[Anonymous No.20272143]

>>20264899
Just use whatever works.

I don't even read these threads anymore because it's like if /o/ only had threads about whether to take driving lessons with Kumar or Pranjeet at the driving school. Who the fuck remembers driving school? Isn't there more to talk about re: driving and cars than the choice of instructor you're never going to remember?

[Anonymous No.20272175]

>-ACK

[Anonymous No.20272215]

>>20272119
greek, latin take things from it

[Anonymous No.20272219]

>>20272119
Whatever has stuff to read that interests you enough to keep studying

[Anonymous No.20272220]

>>20272119
Latin is probably easier morphology wise which will prep you for Greek but depending on your skill memory and dedication you can do whatever you want or do both at the same time even

[Anonymous No.20272391]

>>20271907
that's how we see it in india too.

dhamma, sutta, agg sound disgusting to the ears.

[Anonymous No.20272403]

>>20271907
Pali was an artificial language for monks speaking a lot of related but increasingly mutually unintelligible dialects of the same language family/overlapping sprachbund (both really). The reason it drops so many things is because the dialects differed on what those things were, so it created a "middle" register that committed to none of them while retaining the meaning in context for most purposes.

[Anonymous No.20272572]

>>20272175
Kek, high quality shitpost, ser

[Anonymous No.20272595]

>>20265482
>Both
Noooooo you have to pick a side and defend it like an autistic retard nooooio
Unironically good advice

[Anonymous No.20272669]

what's an efficient method or tips and tricks of reading actual ancient material for the first time?(where i.e you're sure to be meeting new words for the first time)
do you e.g go look for a commented edition, do you maybe read it alongside a translation, do you look up new words immediately as you find them or maybe mark them for later and try to keep reading, etc....?
asking for Greek in particular but it's general anyway

[Anonymous No.20272675]

>>20272595
he did pick a side, he just thinks he didn't because he doesn't understand what the choice was in the first place.

[Anonymous No.20272789]

>>20272669
1. Read an English translation so you know the gist - optional
2. Read the Greek
3. Write down words you don't know or aren't sure about on a separate sheet or notebook.
4. Keep reading
5. After finishing the page/s/passage/section/book sit down with a dictionary and write out all the definitions to the words you don't know
6. Reread with notepad handy
This way you will have a permanent record of words you did not know and an easy reference for further readings. As you go on if certain words keep appearing in your notes then you know you need to focus on learning them.
Rereading is important, go back and reread once in a while.
When it comes to reading a translation I find it best to either read the entire work in English before starting to read Greek or to only consult a translation after I have read the original. With the latter only read the portion in English which you have already read in Greek. This will keep you focused on the authentic language and help to develop your own sense of what the words and phrases mean.
A commentated edition can be helpful particularly when you are just starting out and for difficult authors.
A good reference grammar is also indispensable. For Greek Smyth's is the best. Every author has eccentricities, odd usages, figures of speech and the like. When you have read and reread and defined all the unknown words and still can't figure out what is going on in the construction of a sentence reach for the grammar.
The main thing is to not give up or become discouraged. Read some every day. There will be parts where you don't know any words and are absolutely baffled at the construction of the text. This is normal and will get better with time and effort. Start reading authentic texts ASAP. If you go into it determined and with an open mind you will advance quickly.

[Anonymous No.20273273]

>>20272789
thanks bud

[Anonymous No.20274417]

>>20270952
Seconding this request, also looking to learn those after Latin/Greek.

[Anonymous No.20274797]

>>20274417
Holy Based

[Anonymous No.20274834]

>>20270952
I am in no place to be giving advice since I'm totally winging it but I bought an Old Testament that has annotations telling you what every single root word is, as long as the word isn't a basic/high frequency word that appears on every page. So you only need a very basic Hebrew vocabulary and the ability to read the script, and you can start reading the Old Testament (slowly). It only took me a few hours to start slowly reading the characters.

This only works if you are learning for the Bible, obviously. Modern Hebrew is infinitely harder for reasons that will quickly become apparent, and actually learning to read and write Hebrew spontaneously is really hard because of its verb formation system. But if you are Jewish or Christian and have read the OT before and read the Bible regularly anyway, it's surprisingly fun and easy to get into reading it in Hebrew and slowly building your Biblical Hebrew vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.20274880]

>>20274834
Have you tried Aleph with Beth on YouTube?

[Anonymous No.20274897]

>Mabinogion, Thebaid and Argonautica are coming home next week
Comfy times ahead

[Anonymous No.20274908]

>>20274897
>Mabinogion
Based Welsh poster

[Anonymous No.20274964]

>>20270952
Start with the Greeks
Resume with the Romans
Hit off with the Hindus

[Anonymous No.20274975]

>>20274964
I am planning on getting Sanskrit and Classical Chinese too. It looks hard compared to Latin, but I will give it a good shot after Greek.

[Anonymous No.20275098]

>>20272215
>>20272220
>>20272219
alright thanks

[Anonymous No.20275109]

>>20274880
No I haven't, would you recommend? I am not usually one to watch videos but maybe giving the slow reading a break and doing something else would be nice. Is it adult "accessible" or mostly aimed at younger learners?

[Anonymous No.20275113]

dowling method:
how many times should i do it daily?

[Anonymous No.20275143]

>>20275109
It's for everyone.

It's actually directed at religious people in non-English speaking countries who want to translate the Bible into a minority language, but cannot use English language textbooks and don't have any Hebrew courses written in their native tongue. So it uses Hebrew only and no English to make it a universal course that anyone can understand.

They use props and dress up sometimes, but in later videos they have used gameplay from Assassin's Creed games with voice overs and the text on screen.

[Anonymous No.20275195]

>>20275113
It's stupid, don't read that shit article. Just buy a normal textbook like an adult and follow this:

1. Just write the 1st conjugation and 1st declension until you get bored and then go do something else. Do the same thing tomorrow, and the next day for however long it takes you to memorize the 1st decl/conj. Move onto 2nd declensions/conjugations and so on. Only do the active indicative, principle parts, & imperative. It can take a week to a month depending on how retarded you are.

2.Then after you've done all conjugations, start back again at the 1st conjugation and this time do the passive as well. Will take another week /month.

3. Now do the subjunctive - so start back at the 1st conjugation and write it until you learn it with the subj, then 2nd, and so on till the end. Will take one more week/month.

So in theory you can learn all your paradigms in like 3 weeks to 3 months depending on retardation. The declensions can be learned in like 2 weeks unless you are a real fucking moron, considering all 5 fit on 1 page that you can tape to your door. Good luck

[Anonymous No.20275685]

"Vir magnus es"
"... tibi"

[Anonymous No.20277091]

>>20275195
You just described a less efficient version of the same thing.

[Anonymous No.20277782]

>>20272789
>Start reading authentic texts ASAP.
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.20277790]

>>20257873
http://pitaka.ch/ignotacadath.pdf
http://pitaka.ch/ricius.htm

Look what I found.

[Anonymous No.20277828]

>>20272789
>Start reading authentic texts ASAP. If you go into it determined and with an open mind you will advance quickly.
Can you give me some advice regarding my post >>20259311

[Anonymous No.20277856]

>>20270952
The order you described is the way I did it, minus the Coptic so far, and Latin and Greek were mixed in, not something I did previously. Here's why the order makes sense. Most Aramaic textbooks depend on a previous knowledge of Hebrew. Syriac textbooks don't count on you knowing Hebrew and Aramaic, which makes it a candidate to learn first, then circle back to learn Hebrew, and have an easy lay-up with Aramaic. That is perfectly reasonable but feels odd to me for no good reason, must be because I went a different route. Finally, if you learn Hebrew and Aramaic, the jump for which takes a week before reading the Bible, the biggest hurdle for Syriac is the script(s). The difference between the Aramaic and Syriac is even smaller than it is for Hebrew and Aramaic.
P.S. STEP, 2-Letter Lookup, and the CAL are amazing.

[Anonymous No.20277991]

>>20277828
You are lost because you are going from textbook course Latin to real, authentic Latin. There is no handholding, no gently guiding you through the text along prearranged paths. This is normal and to be expected.
Nepos is 'easy' compared to Virgil and Tacitus. He is not 'easy' in an absolute sense. Virtually none of the extant ancient works are. What has come down to us are the best of the best, the finest writings (with exceptions of course).
Imagine you are learning English. No movies, TV, radio, or even living speakers. You do the Cambridge course, finish a couple textbooks, pass all your tests. Then your teacher gives you Shakespeare, Chaucer, Milton, Gibbon, Tennyson, Dickens and Hemingway. Authors spanning several hundred years and varying political systems, economies, philosophies, access to other authors, etc. How well do you think you'd fare in that initial jump? How easy do you suppose that to be, going from "The man who had been walking in front of the store suddenly stopped and stared at the sky" to "Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them"?
You are at the beginner's hump. It is easy to get discouraged because what is derisively called baby Latin is behind you and you are reading real words written by real speakers for real audiences, not contrived Dick and Jane tales. This first 6 months to a year will be the hardest part of your Latin learning. It will be made easier by your dedication and mental fortitude.
cont

[Anonymous No.20278050]

>>20277828
>>20277991
Study and read every day
Get your definitions down as I wrote in >>20272789
If the passage you posted is too difficult then only read half. If that is too much then one sentence. Better to spend a day perfectly comprehending a single sentence than to half-ass and guess at a page.
Every grammar rule you have learned so far as well as several you haven't and dozens of obscure exceptions are being utilized. Know not only what is being said but why. This will slow you considerably but will provide great dividends in the future.
Use a grammar. Allen and Greenough's is the standard reference grammar for Latin. At this early stage you should be using it as much if not more than a dictionary.
Don't hesitate to go back to your textbook to review/refresh unclear concepts.
Every author has their own style. It takes some adjustment to get used to each one. This adjustment period gets quicker the more you read. This is a large part of why it seems so foreign and odd to you - you haven't experienced an unfiltered style yet.
Once you think you understand a passage completely, or when you are totally stumped and despite tremendous efforts cannot figure it out, go to an English translation and read that passage. See how and what the translator wrote, what he got from the passage. Don't just read and imitate, understand what led him to write what he did. This may or may not be easy depending on the translation; some translations are absolute garbage while others are masterpieces.
Latin works were meant to be read. It may seem difficult to believe now but once you get the hang of reading authentic Latin it is remarkably lucid. Once you finally get a difficult sentence or passage it seems incredibly simple and you will be shocked you didn't get it sooner.
Again, do not give up. The worst thing you can do is stop. The difficulty and bafflement you are experiencing are normal.
Study daily, read daily. Don't compare yourself to others. Go at your own pace.

[Anonymous No.20278164]

>>20259311
https://archive.org/details/csarforbeginner00caesgoog/page/n14/mode/2up

[Anonymous No.20278261]

Beginner here.

>Periculum eorum legatorum demonstrabat.

I want to translate this as 'this/that man showed the commanders the danger' but all the genitives in there are tripping me up.

[Anonymous No.20278277]

>>20278261
demonstrabat - he showed
Periculum - the danger
eorum legatorum - of his commanders

[Anonymous No.20278283]

>>20278277
>of their
*fix

[Anonymous No.20278473]

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgRmnmyNKaU

[Anonymous No.20278630]

>>20278277
Thanks Anon, guessing context would show whether 'the danger of his commanders' is that they are about to get their men killed by being retarded or the commanders tent is about to be run over by an elephant?

[Anonymous No.20279183]

>>20277991
>Then your teacher gives you Shakespeare, Chaucer, Milton, Gibbon, Tennyson, Dickens and Hemingway
I would assume I'm a retard and kill myself probably.
t. ESL who started reading English novels after a few years of shitposting and brain-rotting TV

[Anonymous No.20279201]

>>20268477
>Why did you started learning Latin?
It seemed like a fun challenge.

>If nothing written in Latin interests you, why even bother?
This is what I am wondering now. It seems I enjoy reading about the Romans more than I enjoy reading the Romans.

[Anonymous No.20279209]

>>20279201
You can read about the Romans directly from the Romans... other than that, I don't know if you will be able to find a reason to keep studying Latin.

[Anonymous No.20279220]

>>20278050
>>20277991
Can't thank you enough, I have internalized your advice and it also came at just the right time to lift my spirits. Just put in an order for Allen and Greenough and I already know what I'm going to make into my 'goal' read.

>>20279183
Have you ever tried reading Carlyle? He's rough even for literate native speakers but amazingly rewarding once you get into it.

[Anonymous No.20279261]

>>20279220
>Have you ever tried reading Carlyle? He's rough even for literate native speakers but amazingly rewarding once you get into it.
No, I'll try, thanks.
Until now I've just finished 1984, A brave new World and The old man and the sea, which I think are quite approachable but I still get filtered hard by my lack of vocabulary specially when descriptions get kind of lyric or poetic and a lot of vague and evocative adjectives are used.

[Anonymous No.20279268]

>>20279201
Just take a break, you will find your motivation again after some time.

[Anonymous No.20279547]

>>20257873
test

[Anonymous No.20279935]

>>20277856
I would think that after Greek it would be better to do Hebrew or Coptic.

[Anonymous No.20279945]

>>20277091
Cramming over a few days is a good way to forget something in 2 weeks.

[Anonymous No.20280937]

>>20277091
>>20275195
>>20275113
I have never gone out into a field with a forked stick to learn a language. Dowsing, Dowling, Rainiering—none of that shit is going to help you learn anything, or find water for that matter. I say that as someone who did lots and lots of paradigmatic repetition. This type of studying is best spread out, which the prospectus does not mention. In fact, it gives the impression that it is possible for anyone can become fluent in Latin in a short space of time with very little work. No, it is not. No one will learn Latin at any pace following that method. There's a reason why universities do not use the materials shilled by Ranieri and his disciples, and it isn't because their opposition are child-molesting reptilians.

[Anonymous No.20281054]

>>20257873
In few months I will mark the decade of studying Greek and Latin, I started my journey going into an intensive summer school in 2012.
I was terrible at it and I'm still terrible at it. I got consistent D's and C's and basically winged it. Went on and got my masters and now finishing my PhD. It is on classical archaeology so the language is not as important as say classics phd candidates but still. Language is really something I am bad at and I just hope to graduate and find some outside academic work.

I still cant read as I go but using perseus and wiktionary I am able to translate almost every shit of an inscription I need.

[Anonymous No.20281131]

>>20280937
>There's a reason why universities do
Maybe it's because I live in an almost third world shithole but I don't trust universities at all. What universities do or don't, it's not an argument.
If you want to learn Latin you have to read latin, simple as. Who spends several hours a day nowadays reading Latin? That's the main difference between classical and modern languages learning, and between students from older times and modern ones.
Reading scattered sentences in Wheelock won't teach you latin either.

[Anonymous No.20281132]

>>20281054
You should definitely include high quality pictures of inscriptions in your publications. I would not trust your translations for a second. In fact, because of your terrible grades in language classes, I would have some reservations about trusting anything you might do in academia or anything you do which requires serious thought. Good luck and keep in mind that there are people out there that share my view.

[Anonymous No.20281141]

>>20281132
No offense to you personally I really don't give a shit about academia or what people think about me. If you see a mistake feel free to refute it in your upcoming publication. I struggled to learn latin and greek but I know it today. To judge some work based on my undergrad grade from 2012 is absurd imho.

and I think I'm not the worst. The amount of half assed dissertations is far more than you think. Most peopel don't even bother to translate, many just copy. Many also just copy whatever the latest scholar say about the subject which can be funny. If Rouche makes a mistake in some place you see 15 dissertations and 5 articles repating the same mistake. I have also had seen blantant plagiarism from a Berkeley dissertation from 2000s.
Not that dissertation matters that much. If you are an academic your dissertation will be one of the worst pieces you will ever publish, so I don't hold out against them. Neither should you.

[Anonymous No.20281247]

>>20281132
Original greek text is always included, there is no need for pictures. Unless the inscription is of a first time never before published type.

[Anonymous No.20281685]

>>20281131
>What universities do or don't, it's not an argument.
Yes, actually it is considering the experts in Latin who write books in linguistics, translate Latin texts for major publications, as well as write textbooks for instruction all happen to work at universities - as opposed to the bald fag who is a helicopter pilot with a useless geology degree that spends his free time making bad translations of Disney songs and larping as a centurion.

[Anonymous No.20281703]

>>20281131
>Reading scattered sentences in Wheelock won't teach you latin either.
You read scattered sentences in chapter one because you only know like 20 words you dumbfuck. Go to chapter 40 and say it's "scattered sentences". You haven't even read the book, you are literally quoting someone else who didn't read the book either.

[Anonymous No.20281745]

Would I be able to breeze through Wheelock if I've finished Familia Romana, or is there a lot of grammatical material in Wheelock that would be new to me?

[Anonymous No.20281883]

>>20281685
I didn't mentioned the bald fag. In fact I said you need to read real latin texts, not lipsi. All of what you said has nothing to do with pedagogy btw.
>>20281703
To learn Latin you need to read real latin. There's not a lot of science behind it. Which introductory book do you use to reach the point when you start practicing with real texts doesn't matter, because after that you'll still need to study the classics directly.

[Anonymous No.20281933]

>>20281703
>Chap. 40
>Vir corpore infirmo id no facere poterat
>300 pages to explain nē is used with verbs of fear
>300 pages and still explaining genitive can be used to other stuff other than possession
It may be the best introduction to latin but it's still an introduction

[Anonymous No.20282745]

>>20281933
>cherry picking so you don't have to admit you haven't read the book
>>20281745
both depending on the chapter

[Anonymous No.20284051]

ΣΝΗΔ

[Anonymous No.20284596]

>>20281933
You just read the title of the chapter.

It didn't "take 300 pages" to explain those topics. The author decided learning the 1st declension was better suited for chapter one, than enclitics and alternate uses of the genitive - which seems to not have been a problem considering you have to first read 39 chapters of real textual excerpts without either.

[Anonymous No.20285828]

bump

[Anonymous No.20285953]

>>20281685
Why does a youtuber live in your head rent free
Nobody but you mentions him, you post in every single thread seething about LLPSI and bring up the faggot every time, without fail. You should probably just kill yourself at this rate if he occupies your mind so much.

[Anonymous No.20285955]

>>20280937
>There's a reason why universities do not use the materials shilled by Ranieri and his disciples, and it isn't because their opposition are child-molesting reptilians.
you can't learn a language in university, you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.20285968]

Stop responding to trolls

[Anonymous No.20286026]

>>20285953
No. As usual, you monkes read a post and not what it's replying to. See who mentions bald boi first.

We were talking about the Dowling method and then some idiot used the R word and starting quoting you know who instead of making his own arguments, so I roasted him for it.

[Anonymous No.20286525]

Good morning everyone. What are you studying today?

[Anonymous No.20287342]

>>20286525
Up to demonstratives and interrogatives today. Makes a nice change from Ablatives of X, Y and Z

[Anonymous No.20288179]

>>20286525
Reading some medieval latin as a break from trying to grind through Ovid and Caesar. Much easier and way more fun.

[Anonymous No.20288221]

>>20288179
I wonder why they hung themselves.

[Anonymous No.20288884]

>>20288179
Does it have stylistic differences or something?

[Anonymous No.20289017]

>>20288884
More prepositions which make the case usage a little more clear, less autistic syntax, slightly different vocab and varied use of the same old vocabulary.

For example ille might be use as "the" instead of "that", or "eques" and "dux" might mean "knight" and "duke" instead of "equestrian class" and "general/leader" in classical Latin.

Then the new vocabulary comes from romance languages/vulgar Latin or the ecclesiastical Latin of the church, so it's more recognizable. For example you are more likely to recognize "bella" for pretty over "pulcher" or "homines" for men over "viri".

[Anonymous No.20289021]

>>20288179
kekus

[Anonymous No.20289217]

>>20288884
In addition to >>20289017 , what makes it feel easier to me is the lack of classical Latin's paragraph-length sentences with nested clause within nested clause within nested clause. I don't have to keep an entire paragraph in my head while waiting for the main verb.

[Anonymous No.20289544]

>>20289021
The medievals understood the nature of w*man

[Anonymous No.20289566]

>>20289544
kek

enjoying these, can actually sight read them so i feel like a latin chad even though it's easy peasy latin

[Anonymous No.20289649]

>>20289566
Medieval latin is where I go when I get discouraged. Real confidence boost to sight read something. Also thanks to whichever anon recommended a Primer of Medieval Latin. It has a ton of fun little excerpts, ranging from a paragraph to a few pages, so I can just pick something and read through it in one sitting.

Plus the poetry rhymes and I don't need to know long/short syllables.

[Anonymous No.20289669]

>>20289544
>>20289649
https://la.wikisource.org/wiki/Categoria:Latinitas_Mediaevalis

Check out wikisource. They have a ton to choose from and you can even download as epub/mobi to send to your e-reader. (mine has a latin dictionary :3)

[Anonymous No.20290465]

>>20284051
Iotacism

[Anonymous No.20290480]

>>20285955
I have learned multiple in university. I know one of the world's foremost experts on Coptic. Coptic, in case you were unaware, is a language. He learned it in a university.

[Anonymous No.20290687]

>>20258198
How do you find free books given away, anon???

[Anonymous No.20290752]

Alcibiades ea erat prudentia, ut decipi non posset

What form is prudentia and decipi?

[Anonymous No.20290764]

>>20290752
Prudentia is a descriptive ablative ("of such a prudence", literally, i.e. "so prudent")
Decipi is a passive infinitive of decipere, "to deceive"

[Anonymous No.20290765]

>>20290752
ablative of quality
passive infinitive of decipio

[Anonymous No.20290772]

>>20290764
>>20290765
thank you

[Anonymous No.20290904]

>>20290480
These kids believe anything they see in youtube videos and reddit, including the idea that learning grammar is bad or that taking your lazy ass to college won't benefit you in your language studies.

[Anonymous No.20291111]

>>20257873
Sanskrit

[Anonymous No.20291677]

>>20289544
Kek

[Anonymous No.20291727]

If one wanted to work for an English dictionary company—presuming that person is proficient in Latin—what do you guys think would be more useful for that person to study after Latin: Greek or Old English?

[Anonymous No.20291728]

>>20280937
Speaking of which, could anyone help me with any Ranieri-Dowling Mega? Because Poorfag and third-worlder plus I hear it's good too...
A link was posted sometime ago but it's dead now. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.20291910]

Can someone help me with this sentence. It's from Familia Romana Chapter 18:

"Item varia vocabula eandem rem vel eundem hominem significare possunt [...]"

I understand what it means through context (it's part of a section explaining what homonyms are), but translating the sentence literally doesn't seem to make much sense to me. My literal translation here is "Just like different words [are] likewise the same or things are able to signify to humans [...]"

[Anonymous No.20291943]

>>20291910
subject: varia vocabula
verb: significare possunt
object: eandem rem vel eundem hominem
literally "likewise different words can signify/indicate the same thing or the same man"
significare takes a direct object and works essentially like english "indicate", this indicates that

[Anonymous No.20291945]

>>20291910
'eandem rem' and 'eundem hominem' are both accusative. So varia vocabula can siginificare either the same thing or the same person.

[Anonymous No.20292081]

>>20290687
It's very easy. Instead of me explaining it, I suggest you go to r/Piracy on reddit. Then, go to the megathread and select the books link. There, you will find everything you need.

[Anonymous No.20292091]

>>20291111
Your reply makes as much sense as this guy
>>20279547

[Anonymous No.20292117]

>>20291727
That's a very specific workplace. Because of that, you'll probably end up as a janitor or receptionist, not the guy who does the dictionary stuff. Old English will be way easier than Greek. It's a good hobby language, whereas Greek requires great dedication and focus. If you learn Greek in uni, you could get OE later on. Or you could forget about both of them and learn typing skills.

[Anonymous No.20292183]

>>20290765
>ablative of quality

There is no end to this plurality of ablatives is there.

[Anonymous No.20292297]

>>20292183
>ablative of respect
>ablative of possession
>ablative of degree
>ablative of disrespect
>ablative of healing
>ablative of despair
>ablative of ablation

[Anonymous No.20292313]

>>20292297
>>20292183
https://dcc.dickinson.edu/grammar/latin/ablative-quality
This is making no sense to me

Animō meliōre sunt gladiātōrēs. (Cat. 2.26)
The gladiators are of a better mind.

quae cum esset cīvitās aequissimō iūre ac foedere (Arch. 6)
as this was a city with perfectly equal constitutional rights

mulierem eximiā pulchritūdine (Verr. 2.1.64)
a woman of rare beauty

Aristotelēs, vir summō ingeniō, scientiā, cōpiā (Tusc. 1.7)
Aristotle, a man of the greatest genius, learning, and gift of expression

Dē Domitiō dīxit versum Graecum eādem sententiā.
(Deiot. 25)
Concerning Domitius he recited a Greek line of the same tenor.

Capillō sunt prōmissō. (B. G. 5.14)
They have long hair.

ut capite opertō sit (Cat. M. 34)
to have his head covered
(to be with covered head)

Quam fuit inbēcillus P. Āfricānī fīlius, quam tenuī aut nūllā potius valētūdine! (id. 35)
How weak was the son of Africanus, of what feeble health, or rather none at all!

>mfw
Goodbye

[Anonymous No.20292316]

>ablative of sex having

[Anonymous No.20292379]

>>2029048
you can only learn ABOUT a language there

[Anonymous No.20292405]

>>20292313
how does it make no sense to you???

[Anonymous No.20292524]

>>20292297
Don't worry me like that.

[Anonymous No.20292697]

>>20291943
>>20291945
Ok that makes sense. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.20292959]

sumerian language... did any of you fell for it?