/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20256766]

Is this really the best forum to discuss literature? I ask because this board blows. Board traffic has gone down, but unfortunately the post quality has not improved. I made a reddit account and went to r/literature, but that board blows too. There's like 3 posts a day max, and most of it is just pointless shit that's not even about a work of literature, or it's very basic shit. Like someone posted a thread asking if we should read books in the past to better understand our future. They asked this because they had been reading Orwell and Huxley. Another example was someone posting about Lolita and just saying "OMG this book is literally sooooooooo good!" Then a bunch of redditors chimed in giving milquetoast comments about how everyone who reads it thinks Humbert is a good guy, but not me the intelligent redditor! I saw through Humbert's wheedling words! The problem is there is still no discussion of the book. It was just people patting themselves on the back for having read the book and trying to make themselves out as intelligent for having read a book.

It's really no different than this board, but at least /lit/ has more than three threads in a day.

So what are the alternatives besides talking to someone in real life or joining a book club?

[Anonymous No.20256790]

>>20256766
There is none bro people don’t read. That’s it. And if they read it’s basic shit that would be better portrayed in mid-rate television shows

[Anonymous No.20256824]

I don't think it exists anymore. The way it used to be is, there was a spectrum of people who wanted to discuss books, with lazy faggots who just want a book club as an excuse to show up and drink in the middle of the day, on one end of the spectrum, and extremely hardcore people on the other end. But the spectrum was evenly balanced, so all you had to do was pick the side that actually reads books, pick your preferred level of intensity and dedication, and seek out a group like that.

Now the entire spectrum is lazy faggots, and the actually reads books side is compressed to 5% on the extreme end. Only the most intense people still actually read real books and care enough about them to talk about them. But as in any case of extremes, these people also have a high chance of being freaks with mental and personality disorders. To find people who are actually reading Nietzsche above a shallow, lackadaisical Reddit level (which includes university students), you have to seek out some narcissistic psychopath and his codependent tranny slaves in a dingy Discord channel, where they only read Nietzsche for some gay political reason.

There are normal people who read books at a relatively high level of intensity and dedication anymore because "normal" is now defined by being a carefree Redditman watching Saturday morning cartoons in your head. If you have more than casual opinions on less than well known books, you are as weird as a train-set collecting autist was in the 1980s.

Since the conversion of the Internet into a McDonalds play place for overmedicated millennials and halfbreed zoomers, there just aren't any forums left that cater to a healthy level of intensity. It's either freaks with ulterior motives and brain diseases or anti-gatekeeping midwits. Your one other option is to go find some boomer forum where a guy with 27,857 posts since Join Date: April 2006 will ban you for not respecting boomer forum etiquette. And still nobody there will really talk about books.

[Anonymous No.20256825]

r/literature is way worse than this board, what are you on about? At least here you might find one or two interesting posts every now and then, on r/lit it's just "omg a village in Alabama with 2,000 people banned some book, our democracy is under siege!"

[Anonymous No.20256826]

>>20256766
you're obviously projecting

[Anonymous No.20256834]

>>20256766
Go to your university book club.

[Anonymous No.20256835]

It would be better if they stopped deleting threads out of nowhere..

[Anonymous No.20256839]

>>20256834
>"Wow, Humbert's latent homophobia totally ruined this book for me."

[Anonymous No.20256865]

>>20256835
Better than r/literature where you get banned for not spoilering plot details of a book. I imagine that's why nobody actually discusses books there. They're afraid of losing karma and getting banned by a tranny moderator.

[Anonymous No.20256866]

All the good posters got banned by the tranny jannies in a conspiracy to make /lit/ so bad everyone just leaves.
Not only did I get permabanned for bullshit and got my appeal rejected 3 times but my IP has been blocked from uploading images on and off for years now.
The janny trannies did it on purpose because they know you can’t start threads without attaching a picture.
I’ve been reduced to phoneposting without pic relateds, the absolute state.

[Anonymous No.20256890]

Ultimately the internet is just a shit place to discuss anything. If it was better in the past it was solely because the internet itself wasn't fully normalized.
Join a book club. Even if everyone is a moron it'll still be vastly better than anything on the internet, just because it's not on the internet.

[Anonymous No.20256892]

>>20256866
I highly doubt your side of the story. Hopefully you're Londonfrog.

[Anonymous No.20256901]

>>20256766
This board has produced some of the best lit conversation I've ever encountered on the web, and far better than any I've ever found in real life. The reading lists can be useful as well. With that being said, there's something about communicating through words on the web that can be really off-putting, and even this forum doesn't escape the side-effects afforded by the medium.

[Anonymous No.20256908]

>>20256890
in the past the internet was the high effort escape now that everyone is on the internet reality is the high effort escape

[Anonymous No.20256912]

>>20256901
I don't think this is the correct use of "afforded" but I see it a lot lately. Afford should really only be applied to opportunities or bonuses, not just things that are neutrally concomitant or even bad side effects.

[Anonymous No.20256914]

>>20256865
>banned by a tranny moderator.
Why do the they keep getting into those positions?

[Anonymous No.20256922]

>>20256766
You could try meeting people, offline, who share your interest in books. Unfortunately I imagine that's a bit too much to ask of a frogposter.

[Anonymous No.20256925]

>>20256914
they don't have jobs so they can spend all their time online.

[Anonymous No.20256927]

>>20256865
Sure. but I was having a debate with someone and the guy who does it for free just deleted the fucking thread.

[Anonymous No.20256930]

>>20256914
Any breed of oddball and outcast lusts for the power they don't have in life. Either they seek out the power they want through whatever means they have or they reject everything and live inside themselves.

[Anonymous No.20256934]

>>20256912
Technologies afford behavior. A chair affords sitting. A web forum affords a kind of use of language.

[Anonymous No.20256979]

>>20256766
yeah not reading all that dumb frog poster maybe try reddit.

[Anonymous No.20256998]

>>20256865
>he spoils book plots
I wish you'd get banned from here too

[Anonymous No.20257059]

>>20256824
>Your one other option is to go find some boomer forum where a guy with 27,857 posts since Join Date: April 2006 will ban you for not respecting boomer forum etiquette.
lol

[Anonymous No.20257094]

>>20256766
start a discord and invite people that discus here well to join using code phrases they would know if they read the book you are talking about. I've been doing it for the last year and the conversations are pretty good quality.
>post discord
no

[Anonymous No.20257120]

>>20256834
sounds great if you want to discus, almost exclusively, race theory, lgbtq rights or capitalism. I joined my local poetry society and even there it was only about theme (surface level discussion at that) with no time for conversation on style, meter choice, word choice and its implications, no historical background. nothing.

[Anonymous No.20257146]

>>20256766
it sounds like you are looking for discussion that is above average in quality and unfortunately, due to the popularity of internet forums, the internet is full of average people with average takes, the average amount of attention span (which is getting shorter and shorter), average reading comprehension (which is declining along with the western school system) and the average ability to formulate their thoughts into coherent posts.

[Anonymous No.20257155]

>>20256766
This is the best forum to discuss illiterates.

[Anonymous No.20257156]

>>20257120
i almost got fired once for suggesting obliquely that a reading group's seriousness could be gauged by the relative number of women it

someone told on me. women in the workplace was a good idea, i like the idea of adults tattling on eachother.

[Anonymous No.20257234]

>>20256866
>but my IP has been blocked from uploading images
you mean isp
also, same happened to me
to be fair i used to post thots as bait for threads but nothing hardcore

[Anonymous No.20257259]

>>20256766
r/askliterarystudies has a few braniacs bumbling around sometimes. I'm sure goodreads has its corners, but I dont go there. /lit/ is the best I've found, godforsaken.

[Anonymous No.20257283]

>>20257120
This.

[Anonymous No.20257342]

>>20256766
i see some posting critiquing the state of /lit/ but doing nothing about it. Look for solutions for the problems not only staring at and blaming
For example, there are some guys discussing the antichris. That thread has little engage as well as the mayority of good threads but if you people dont care and just ignore or shitpost, /lit/ will go worse and worse overtime
Another example is this guy >>20257094 who have taken action

[Anonymous No.20257350]

>>20257094
i've been effortposting but never got invited :(
i hope you notice me some day...

[Anonymous No.20257357]

the only satisfying way to discuss literature is to get drunk and explain books in great detail to random people you don't know very well who don't know anything about what you're saying

[Anonymous No.20257360]

>>20257350
keep it up. Im sure we will cross paths. or maybe one of the others

[Anonymous No.20257370]

>>20257357
hell yeah. did this to a guy my buddy knew once after he tried to flex on me with his math skills. It was really funny to see his arrogance turn into meek "uhuh, yeah, oh wow." I was making up most of it (even name dropped some fake secondary sources). absolutely priceless.

[Anonymous No.20257399]

r/truelit

[Anonymous No.20257408]

>>20256766
>r/literature
/r/TrueLit is much better. Try there.

[Anonymous No.20257733]

>>20257408
>>20257399
It's even slower, and most "threads" are someone dumping an aritcle link and not even saying anything. They just dump the link.

[Anonymous No.20257799]

>>20256824
Unironically can I subscribe to your blog somewhere?

[Anonymous No.20257814]

What are some good blogging options not called google or wordpress?

[Anonymous No.20257829]

>>20256890
It was better in the past because Reddit didn’t exist, so you had to go to some phpbb forum with a specific culture you needed to respect, and with their own rules about posting that were specific to the subject matter. I was on one circa 2006-2010 that focused solely on posting and critiquing each other’s poetry and short fiction. It had very strict rules about the ratio of constructive feedback to making your own threads to get feedback, and would kick anyone that wasn’t following them in good faith. It greatly shaped the way I write for the better. There is no way to have things like this on reddit, much less this place.

[Anonymous No.20257839]

>>20256834
I'm a neet

[Anonymous No.20258538]

>>20256766
Git gud

[Anonymous No.20258598]

>>20256766
Everything online has already been captured

[Anonymous No.20258617]

>>20256790
If all of us were born 100-200 years earlier in well-off families we'd probably be extremely well read. Television, video games, and the internet seriously ruin our ability to read -- they fuck your attention span, and make it feel like thinking is pointless. To be a good reader in 2022, you have to straight up reject Youtube, reject TikTok, reject most entertainment media because it's just going to ruin your ability to think or focus on anything.

[Anonymous No.20258674]

>>20256824
give us your dank neetch interpretations anon

[Anonymous No.20258715]

>>20256766
>Is this really the best forum to discuss literature?

I think so. 90% of posts are made by brainlets pretending to have read the author in question, but the few highly educated effortposters make it all worth it. I’ll start threads sometimes with specific questions about this or that thinker and overall I’ve gotten much more helpful than when I’ve done the same on plebbit.

[Anonymous No.20258792]

>>20256766
We are all busy reading. Cope and sift through the shit and find the gems. There are usually a few good threads up every day.

[Anonymous No.20258817]

You could always start a book club irl if you know likeminded people, anon. Even if you only have a few people, it’s dope as long as everyone’s really into it. A couple friends of mine started a Bible study, and we’re mostly all at the same level except one protestant dude who’s really into theology so it makes for good conversation. I’m thinking about inviting some of the based people I know irl to start a reading group for political theory/social sciences type stuff.

[Anonymous No.20258840]

>>20256766
>Is this really the best forum to discuss literature?
No, only deluded assholes say this.

[Anonymous No.20258899]

>>20256766
The inner rings of an actual catholic community are filled with intellectuals, with a big emphasis on a classical education.
I come from the kind of family where we know lot's of people who became priests, a couple nuns, and other people involved in catholic media and universities. Priests are always very educated, usually a masters, sometimes a phd, but the kind of laymen in these social groups are also very educated.
But you have to be careful because there's a certain generation of boomer priests that are retarded, same goes with bishops. I've talked to one bishop who was very good but he was an exception I think.

[Anonymous No.20258940]

>>20256766
>>20256824
How to start a serious men's group
>https://twitter.com/cimmerian_v/status/1463182982135500806

>>20258899
I'm starting to discover this in my own circles.

[Anonymous No.20258983]

>>20258940
>How to start a serious men's group
>>https://twitter.com/cimmerian_v/status/1463182982135500806
Absolutely cringe LARP.

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.20258992]

Private discord servers are far superior, including larger ones.

[Anonymous No.20259003]

>>20258940
I didn't realize these kinds of guys browse /lit/

[Anonymous No.20259018]

>>20258940
imagine some twitter rando getting your address and sending you a letter and then you accept his invitation

[Anonymous No.20259073]

>>20258992
I've seen the servers that accept tripe like you. No thank you.

[Anonymous No.20259306]

>>20258992
Then why are you here?

[Anonymous No.20259309]

>>20258992
How do you find them?

[Anonymous No.20259319]

>>20259073
Tell us more

[Anonymous No.20259337]

>>20258940
That is possibly the gayest shit I've ever seen

[Anonymous No.20259366]

>>20258715
effortposts and effortposters are overrated

[Anonymous No.20259575]

>>20258940
Stuff like that just reinforces the idea that intelligence agencies are fucking around on the internet more than we think. No actual person wrote that or meant that

[Anonymous No.20259606]

>>20256766
There is plenty of discussion on this board. But then again, I don't come here for discussion. This is the best place I've found for novel recommendations, and getting honest criticism on my work. If you want to leave, then leave.

[Anonymous No.20260136]

>>20256824
Oh gosh. Those last two sentences. Like the bukowski.net gen x guy who went tranny a couple years ago.

[Anonymous No.20260155]

I only come here when I've read an interesting book, but I've been too busy IRL to read anything cover to cover. Sounds like you guys miss my Henry James threads. Sorry about that.

[Anonymous No.20260185]

>>20256824
Damn, you hit the nail. This place was always shit but there were two o three very interesting threads every now and then. Now this is absolutely dismal and nobody puts effort in actual discussion of books. I'm fucking sick of watching the same threads: "I read this, what should I think?", "what should I read to my girlfriend? " and the /pol/ baits and incel baits. I miss guys like Girardfag and others that kept me glued to the screen for hours with their rants.

[Anonymous No.20260224]

>>20256834
I did. I remember that we were reading some Thomas Mann works. We first read Mario and the Magician, a critique of fascism, the magician is clearly a caricature of Mussolini, yet the best topic some faggots could bring to the discussion was how the narrator was a male and he never let his wife take the rides of the narration.
After that we read Death in Venice and again these faggots did the same. Amongst the myriad of topics that could be discussed (Gustav infatuation with death, beauty and the irrational side of his psyche after leading a life of rationality and order) these retards decided to talk about the standards of beauty: why is Tadzio beautiful? why should one consider him handsome? are these standards objective or an imposition of society? ....

[Anonymous No.20260263]

>>20256790
This unless you go to college and have to read a book for a course

[Anonymous No.20260312]

>>20260224
What's the issue?

[Anonymous No.20260394]

>>20256766
This is it, this is the final stop. This is the last call at the bar called literature which has been open since Gilgamesh built Uruks mighty walls. The last hurrah, the pregnant silence before the fall of the axe. Understand that, and understand that /lit/ must be protected all costs, lest the fire of literary discussion be snuffed out. Forever.

[Anonymous No.20260420]

>>20260394
Easy on the sword and sandals fantasy fic anon

[Anonymous No.20260448]

>>20258617
It's your fault, not new technology one. You and only you are the master of your decisions

[Anonymous No.20260774]

>>20258617
i've read 6 books so far this year, and i am adhd faggot with early signs of dementia. Just fucking read. Don't read wolfe meme shit author waste of time.

[Anonymous No.20260781]

>>20256824
>Your one other option is to go find some boomer forum where a guy with 27,857 posts since Join Date: April 2006 will ban you for not respecting boomer forum etiquette.
Is it so hard not to say nigger and sperg out anon? How do you fucks survive in the real world, just hide your power level like a normal person.

[Anonymous No.20260786]

>>20260448
Even if I spontaneously decide to start reading, plenty of other potential great readers won't because the societal impetus NOT to is so overpowering. How could anyone argue that the state of society post-Radio, post-TV was better for the kind of Democracy we want to build? It's simply not. Even if you and I change on a personal level, it's a drop in the bucket compared to this ocean of change.

[Anonymous No.20260860]

>>20260781
Kid, you don't understand boomer forums. Post 2,003 for that boomer nigger was NiGGERCUNTSWABL337, but the second you bring up someone's typo outside the typo thread buried in page 407 you're banned for life. Boomers survive in forums where if the forum allows any formatting or linking or sort functions, it's considered hi-tech. These people remember when Apple was for absolute madmen.

[Anonymous No.20260976]

>>20260786
>How could anyone argue that the state of society post-Radio, post-TV was better for the kind of Democracy we want to build? It's simply not.
That's true but it doesnt change that if you dont read it is because and solely because you. Obviously it is harder than it used to be due to the new technology vices but it isnt determinant just conditional.

>Even if you and I change on a personal level, it's a drop in the bucket compared to this ocean of change.
Also true and as years pass there will be less and less readers (if we doesnt count women, ya, otaku and tranny lit we all know why it doesnt count) but we should fight against that. It is difficult and a lost war but a worth fighting one

[Anonymous No.20261011]

>>20257350
there is also the chance that you did get invited and just didnt understand what it was. this kind of thing can happen when using coded messages without letting people know in advance. I have definitely sent more invites than I have received members. keep effort posting and if I see it I will keep sending invites. replies that are invitations always include name dropping a well known author in the topic being discussed, the use of the phrase "I invite you to..." and the word "discord" or "discourse." I cant tell you how to break the code but, if you have read the name dropped author with enough retention to know when something is off about how someone presents their ideas in discussion, you should be able to pick up how to "begin decoding" the message. I hope that wasnt too much info. I am trying to filter people with this process after all.

[Anonymous No.20261012]

>>20256766
If you're already on reddit the /r/truelit periodic threads are alright. Still slow as shit though. Reddit just isn't made for this kind of discussions. It's a link aggregator with a bunch of shit attached to it

[Anonymous No.20261019]

>>20261011
* another thing to ad is that this takes a bit of time to create so if the thread dies faster than I get the invite out I have to trash the thing.

[Anonymous No.20261037]

>>20261011
holy based, coded discord invites in anonymous message board threads

my therapist gonna really think im losing it for this one

[Anonymous No.20261046]

>>20261011
pretty obscure and difficult to find if you dont know there can be a hidden message. I'll be vigilant

[Anonymous No.20261055]

>>20261011
Literally no one would understand this you LARPing faggot. If you replied to me saying something wrong about an author the first thing i would think is that you were an idiot pseud, not that you were trying to pass me the coordinates to the fuhrer bunker using some autismo enigma code. This is the stupidest thing i've ever read.

[Anonymous No.20261061]

>>20261011
shitposters should start their own sekrit klub too, with the invites being issued in the most obnoxiously obvious way possible

[Anonymous No.20261062]

>>20256824
Beautifull snapshot of the current course the internet has taken. Not only true for books, but for any hobby really. Great wisdom in your post.

[Anonymous No.20261066]

you can also just post the link and kick out the dumb people later

[Anonymous No.20261069]

open forums don't work, their strength is fundamentally their weakness. Letting anyone in attracts nuisances. I come to 4chan lately and i can't find a single interesting thread, its all the same gaggle of mentally ill idiots posting the same stuff on a loop, extremely worthless low quality posting, people arguing and obsessively being contrarian.

[Anonymous No.20261072]

>>20261069
>4chan lately and i can't find a single interesting thread, its all the same gaggle of mentally ill idiots posting the same stuff on a loop, extremely worthless low quality posting, people arguing and obsessively being contrarian.
You say that like it's only lately.

[Anonymous No.20261082]

>>20261072
Well for me its lately, i can't see any point in coming here. Its beyond boring, there is seriously nothing of worth here, all the worthwhile posters have left.
Places like reddit are not an alternative either, the internets just dead in my mind, I'm going to return to books.

[Anonymous No.20261085]

>>20261082
see you tomorrow

[Anonymous No.20261091]

>>20261055
its not always saying something wrong, sometimes its just saying it in a weird way ;). and a few people have figured it out so your are just wrong in that regard

[Anonymous No.20261097]

>>20261061
Agreed I would check it out sometimes. as long as it isnt incoherent screeching (which is basically what happened when I tried to genuinely invite people in mu first attempt at making a better lit).

[Anonymous No.20261101]

>>20261046
I agree but the way I see it is that at worst it encourages people to continue effort posting on lit which is fine by me.

[Anonymous No.20261107]

>>20261066
I tried that once, it gets to be very busy if the shit people are persistent with alts.

[Anonymous No.20261108]

>>20261101
yeah, it's a good idea i just say it's difficult. I encourage you to keep doing it

[Anonymous No.20261118]

>>20261091
oh please, this tired trope of the "le ebin sekret club" hidden away where great discussion flows like milk and honey is bait for stringing along newfags too naive to not have seen it 100 times already. but the fucking santa angle of "you get presents if you effortpost like a good boy :)" and heckin spy code-breaker letter to hogwarts shit is just ridiculous. the only people who would believe this are exact the people who shouldn't be encouraging to effortpost

[Anonymous No.20261124]

>>20261107
>give open invite
>see who among the people who show up is actually worthwhile
>privately send them invites to the exclusive server

Not too complicated, though the esoteric initiation secret code thing is obviously very fun. But maybe if you did what I'm saying there would be too much retardation from the start, to the point where you couldn't even get enough discussion going to see who the good contributors are.

[Anonymous No.20261148]

>>20256766
This shortsighted complaining always baffles me.
Do you really find leading by example to be that difficult? What's with this widespread feminine behavior? If you want a good place for discussion, then understand that communities begin with (You). Put in the effort and start fomenting worthwhile discussion, either here or in whatever secret club gets your wrinkly penis ever so slightly more chubby.
Stop complaining about things not being laid out for you and start taking action. Christ, no wonder so many millennials fancy themselves feminine enough to self castrate.

[Anonymous No.20261158]

As bad as this place is, Reddit is about a thousand times worse.

[Anonymous No.20261182]

>>20261124
That could be done little by little. Open link, people join, close the link, ban shitposters, open link and so on until you're content with the number of people. You doesn't have discussion to see if they're retarders, they'll you show by themselfs. And between normal people there'll be good and not so good posters, you can keep the not so good if they don't annoy

[Anonymous No.20261183]

>>20261124
that is a good point. Maybe I will try that with another server because obviously the problem with this method is that we dont have many members and the members we do have are pretty busy reading so discussion is slow.

[Anonymous No.20261186]

>>20261182
*Doesn't need to have discussion

[Anonymous No.20261190]

>>20261118
you can think it is dumb or not believe me if you want to but in either case at least Im trying to do something about quality control instead of just complaining about and, in doing so, taking up a spot that could be used to actually talk about literature. be the change you want to see in the world and stop being such a sniveling faggot.

[Anonymous No.20261195]

>>20261124
>>20261182
I will be trying these methods in another server. would you like an invite?

[Anonymous No.20261197]

>>20261148
I've said that in many posts like this one. Since, I've seen some people taking action though not that much. Complaining is innate to human species, only a little take action before or instead of complaining (not only on internet, in life in general)

[Anonymous No.20261200]

>>20261195
Sure

[Anonymous No.20261205]

>>20256766
I remember 15 or so years ago I was in awe of /lit/, it felt well above my head and I was intimidated by the discussion here. I spent some time getting my life together and was away from 4chan for a while but when I came back I noticed how downhill /lit/ had gone. Yes, I had upped my game too, read a lot more, thought more deeply about things, but that is not what was going on. The discussion on /lit/ has objectively gone downhill. In 2007 the 4chan userbase was smaller so only people who had an active interest in literature would bother to post here. Since that time there has been different waves of immigration from Anonymous fanbois, to Fappening coomers, to MAGAtards, not to mention more and more non anglo-american posters shitting things up with their EFL posting, and now zoomers who have grown up with web 2.0 and are bringing their twitter/tiktok sensibilities to an imageboard culture. /lit/ used to be the most diverse board in terms of political leanings and probably still is but it has swung noticeably rightwards post-2016. This isn't a meat-headed attack on rightoids but I prefer a discussion board which will entertain different schools of thought, which is why /pol/ is a complete no go for anyone with any genuine intellectual curiosity. I'm not saying being rightwing makes you incapable of holding meaningful discussions (a lot of the texts of the right are very educational, well written, nuanced and intelligent) but the influx of pasty chuds who are only reading Marcus Aurelius because Jordan Peterson told them it will make them more manly does weaken the overall level of discourse on this board (and every other board for that matter).
Having said all that, yes, unfortunately /lit/ is still the best place to discuss literature on the internet because of the pace of threads and the rare good posts amongst the drivel

[Anonymous No.20261212]

>>20261195
Yes, I'd definitely be interested

[Anonymous No.20261219]

>>20261195
same, go ahead + send invite.

[Anonymous No.20261221]

>>20256824
you're on a forum for chronic masturbators and autistic losers.

[Anonymous No.20261247]

>>20256766
I wish the better threads would not be deleted. what happened to that booktube thread yesterday? it was better than most shit which is up today.

[Anonymous No.20261270]

>>20261205
everything was better in the past

[Anonymous No.20261275]

>>20261190
spreading rumors about a fake promised land isn't improving the quality of the board.
>>20261205
/lit/ didn't exist 15 years ago.

[Anonymous No.20261282]

>>20256766
The whole internet is dying due to corporate raping of algorithms, we need a new internet

[Anonymous No.20261285]

>>20260224
>yet the best topic some faggots could bring to the discussion was blah blah blah...
Anon, you were in the discussion too. People bring up what they want to talk about. You could chip in with your thoughts on their topics and then raise topics of your own in which they could offer their opinions. This is how discussions work anon. Sounds like you're shy

[Anonymous No.20261293]

>>20261275
>/lit/ didn't exist 15 years ago
It was 2007 15 years ago, the year I started coming to 4chan. /lit/ did exist

[Anonymous No.20261295]

>>20258598
This

[Anonymous No.20261302]

>>20261205
Just kill your self you are part of the reason this place feels like eternal summer now

[Anonymous No.20261316]

>>20261293
>It was 2007 15 years ago

[Anonymous No.20261368]

>>20261302
>thread about the issue of low quality posts
>poster writes out his thoughts, explaining them, contributing to a healthy discussion
>anon replies with a "kill yourself" because he doesn't like his politics
>anon believes the other guy is the problem

[Anonymous No.20261394]

>>20256766
I caved and made a reddit account the other day but was banned in around 12 hours for being rude about gypsies. That place sucks even more than here.

[Anonymous No.20261441]

>>20261394
>being rude about gypsies
I understand you anon.

[Anonymous No.20261456]

>>20261394
was it about a Victor Hugo novel?

[Anonymous No.20261478]

>>20261394
Yeah, they're really vigilant about deleting anything even halfway earnest. You pretty much have to mire every post in niceties and this aura of hypocritical humility for it to stay up and/or not get reported.

[Anonymous No.20261485]

>>20261200
>>20261212
>>20261219
ok server is
https://discord.gg/tQBtr5YS

[Anonymous No.20261688]

>>20256766
>Is this really the best forum to discuss literature?
Only if you want to see the canon of western literature analysed by Beavis and Butthead.

[Anonymous No.20261715]

>>20256824
Jesus. Awh Jesus. Fuck. This is something out of Dante's descriptions of Hell.

[Anonymous No.20261722]

>>20256766
x

[Anonymous No.20261764]

>>20256766
Just do dating apps.
It is incredible how many lonely bookish people are out there and want to desperately talk to the one who texts them about their niche poet instead of jsut calling their eyes pretty. A major issue then of course is you mainly will become the one who will have to talk about reading and such to her, but you are in it for the literature anyway and any sex drive ought to come second.

Of course you will have to talk to girls if you do this (because gay guys will not forget the horniness they downloaded the app for - I tested this) and then you will have to deal with
>Yaaaah, but I feeeeeel...
and your entire drive to further progress the conversation dies.

[Anonymous No.20261781]

>>20256766
I mainly use this board for recommendations and to get a chuckle out of a clusterfuck of a thread or two. I much prefer buddy reading books with my small circle of friends than actually discuss it on here or plebbit. You should too.

[Anonymous No.20261786]

>>20260185
>Now this is absolutely dismal and nobody puts effort in actual discussion of books.
I am so sorry your DFW and Pynchon discussion died
>yeah bro that one paragraph was like so sick. The refrences, maaan!
The philosophy book threads on /lit/ are decent when the bachelor and zoomer retards stop posting when the actual effort posters show up and actually discuss various aspects of the work in any philosophical relation.

No its not perfect, but feminine men literature was never worth saving in the first palce. This place evolved for the better and wfh literature majors like you need to either understand how literature is embeded in philosophy and can be discussed in the context, or jsut drop it all together.

[Anonymous No.20261821]

>>20258598
>>20261295
Take your meds, Jason

[Anonymous No.20261885]

>dude, but the shitposting
How bout you shut the fuck up nigger?

Yes I say nigger, the greatest word in the english language, a word with real magical powers that is the closest to a harry potter magic spell in real life.
Yes, there's shitposting.
But because of the same nature that only nerds love to read books and want to talk about books, you have to be in sperg high IQ territory.

Which is why this board is slower than the shitfest that is the big 3 /b/ 2.0 boards.
Yes, there's shitposting here, but frankly, sometimes it made me chuckle some flamewar between trannies and Chuds and the ocassional pol raid.

And yet, there's the ocassional /v/ or /a/ thread where they want to compare games and comics to literature, which is interesting.
Also plenty of niche and dead philosophers writers.

This board basically has the advantage of having enough people to be a non dead forum and you can still get replies in real time in a heated thread.
The best thing is that the population is small enough for the shitposting to be under control and the board and big enough for the board to not be dead like other websites and forums.

>but muh secret discord
Shut the fuck up NIGGER.

You literally want a safespace where the Chuds can't say you will never be a woman and any criticism of the left and marxism will be banned.

You're intelectually disonest to any productive form of debate if you rather trade the conformity of a clique with your same views and never be intelectually challenged simply because you don't enjoy a minimal level of younger zoomer shitposting, which ironically is on the perfect levels of not being really a major nuisance and still very tolerable.

[Anonymous No.20262011]

>>20256766
this is literally the only board where I see replies longer than 2 sentences (besides /x/, but there's a different reason why the ones on /x/ are so long). Don't take this from me

[Anonymous No.20262275]

>>20261764
>discussing poetry
>with women
It'd be fun to read Shakespeare's sonnets to a handsome young man whilst he sucks you off, though.

[Anonymous No.20262605]

>>20261478
I had never posted on reddit because of this. Then the other day I got drunk and made a post. I didn't even say anything bad I literally just posted
>That's not going to turn out the way you think it is. Life isn't a movie. You aren't the main character.
And the post got downvoted to shit. I was replying to some redditor giving awful life advice to the OP. He basically wrote out a melodramatic speech whose intended purpose was to keep the OP's job, but if the OP actually delivered that speech they would get fired on the spot. Redditor's live in a fantasy and anything which points out it is fantasy gets downvoted, silenced, and hidden.

[Anonymous No.20262617]

>>20261781
>small circle of friends
You see that's the problem. My circle of friends is nonexistent.

[Anonymous No.20262741]

>>20262617
hey we are working on something. why don't you check it out
https://discord.gg/tQBtr5YS

[Anonymous No.20263142]

OP is a troll well done

[Anonymous No.20263191]

>>20256824
kino bait my good sirs

[Anonymous No.20263198]

>>20256824
>muh forums
(You)
The software will be always horseshit.

[Anonymous No.20263204]

>>20256825
Nah its better.

[Anonymous No.20263225]

>>20256865
>>20256927
Almost as if rules exist.

[Anonymous No.20263236]

>>20262741
>server icon
>"The Trivium"
No thanks.

[Anonymous No.20263277]

>>20263236
why is that?

[Anonymous No.20263296]

>>20256866
>>20256892
>>20257234

[Anonymous No.20263306]

>>20258940
Words can’t even express how gay and tryhard that series of posts is.

[Anonymous No.20263312]

>>20256901
>>20256912
>>20256934
Yooo is this the latest circlejerk thread?

[Anonymous No.20263329]

>>20263225
If you can't talk about details of the book how are you meant to discuss it? Any in-depth discussion will necessarily need to cover plot details. I'm not going to waste my time trying format a spoiler over every little thing because you are a retarded who clicks on a discussion thread for a book you haven'f finished.

[Anonymous No.20263335]

I try to effortpost sometimes but it's very rare that I'll find a thread that is discussing a topic I want to discuss and even then probably 50% of the time it has been derailed by /pol/ vs lefty/pol/ shit flinging or some other retarded argument. I agree that /lit/ is likely the most politically diverse board but I don't think that it is necessarily a good thing because irrelevant discussion (that is technically relevant in that you can claim it's political/ethical philosophy) can fuck a thread up so easily. For example, that Stoner thread the other day that derailed into sperging over Stoner's rape (or not rape, depending on the poster) and the morality of that and marriage over all. Sometimes I see people say that splitting a chunk of /lit/ into /phil/ would help. I see why but I don't know if the two topics can be so easily separated, I think it would be at least worth a try if we could pester Hiro into making us a new board, which he has no reason not to after all the new sports and vidya boards made for no reason. But, I think that could be sacrificing philosophy for /lit/, the /phil/ board would then become complete cancer and I don't think that's "fair". Even if /lit/ were limited strictly to only literature, I feel we'd get the same shit - "redpilled books", "books with based characters" etc etc. I think this level of shit is unavoidable on the internet post 2016.

I remember an anon made his own cool site where they read and discussed a book every month and they did Tarka the Otter pretty early on. Looked cool, if anyone remembers the name please tell me.

[Anonymous No.20263350]

>>20256930
Your prescriptions

[Anonymous No.20263353]

>>20263335
>I remember an anon made his own cool site where they read and discussed a book every month and they did Tarka the Otter pretty early on. Looked cool, if anyone remembers the name please tell me.
Judges Penitent. I think the name changed.

[Anonymous No.20263354]

Effortposters actually read so they probably go back to reading after being discouraged from browsing here due to the low quality. It's like a vicious circle, people who read can just read instead of coming here to scratch a similar itch, so the people here are mostly those who don'tread.

[Anonymous No.20263367]

>>20263353
Yes! This is it and you seem to be right. Looked like a cool site, I meant to keep up with it but I completely forgot the name.

[Anonymous No.20263371]

>>20263236
would you have preferred how to read a book? I picked the last book I had in my saved pictures on my phone. but if thats the kind of thing that keeps you from checking shit out I say good riddance and have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.20263458]

>>20256925
didn't ask for this copepost

[Anonymous No.20263464]

>>20263371
based

[Anonymous No.20263471]

>>20263329
>I'm not going to waste my time trying format a spoiler over every little thing because you are a retarded who clicks on a discussion thread for a book you haven'f finished.
And just like that you deserve it.
I got b&nned here with the same reason but on vidya boards.

[Anonymous No.20263626]

>>20260448
I respect your insistence on taking personal responsibility but when you account for all attention span reducing instant gratification distractions and how they're so very intimately intertwined into our daily lives you'll find that to escape them you have to literally transcend your reality. It's unreal how hard it is these days to even think for oneself. Most of the shit you hear is some regurgitated shit some fag said on tiktok in his top 10 compilation. I agree that in the end it's you who can change this, but you have to acknowledge the enormous fog that is placed under your eyes, one which did not exist before. As the anon said you almost certainly have to reject absolutely every piece of shit social media distraction there is

[Anonymous No.20263717]

>>20257155
This post is wrong

[Anonymous No.20263723]

>>20257156
>events that never occur
Maidenless?

[Anonymous No.20263743]

>>20256979
Chaddit

[Anonymous No.20263752]

>>20263471
Stop bending the knee to jannies.

[Anonymous No.20263761]

>>20257733
Based

[Anonymous No.20263769]

>>20263626
>As the anon said you almost certainly have to reject absolutely every piece of shit social media distraction there is
that's not that bad, you gain literally nothing from them

[Anonymous No.20263793]

>>20263769
>you gain literally nothing from them
But lose the respect of the masses.
>You're not on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or TikTok???? Uh, what the fuck are you hiding????
Most women instantly think you're a creep, or a stalker, or that you're trying to hide something dark. This one girl I knew kept insisting I had secret accounts and seemed to imply I used them to stalk people or that they were "Chad" accounts to get "incel" revenge.

[Anonymous No.20263836]

>>20263793
Stop talking to 80iq women then

[Anonymous No.20263838]

>>20256890
>>20256908
>t. cannot socialise properly

[Anonymous No.20263856]

>>20257829
Man can you larp harder with that nostalgiabait?

[Anonymous No.20263889]

>>20258715
>>20259366
cool with the circle jerk amirite

[Anonymous No.20263896]

>>20258940
>Trans rights yall
bruh

[Anonymous No.20263900]

>>20263836
This woman and I were getting a Masters in mathematics. She was not 80 IQ. Women crave social media because it makes them all starlets.

[Anonymous No.20263954]

>>20261205
Please, just leave already

[Anonymous No.20263971]

>>20259575
How do you get intelligence agency from that shit nigger

[Anonymous No.20263974]

>>20261270
>s()yjak.png

[Anonymous No.20263990]

>>20260394
>>20260420
No one ask you to speak

[Anonymous No.20264012]

>>20263626
All of that words just to say that (You) want a (You)

[Anonymous No.20264016]

>>20263769
>>20263793
>>20263836
>>20263900
What a bunch of feeble minded fools

[Anonymous No.20264017]

since you're already on reddit, try r/truelit, it has a pinned discussion thread thats not as brain dead as the main sub. at least last time I checked, I havent been on reddit since the pandemic.

your dreams of lucking out and meeting a small circle of intellectuals that are into the same books as you are long dead anon, we're all on this board wading through worthless bait and posturing for that one good discussion that comes once in a blue moon. it is what it is

[Anonymous No.20264018]

>>20256766
>board traffic has gone down
>the post quality has not improved
Good, accelerate

[Anonymous No.20264022]

>>20259575
>>20263971
Take your medications

[Anonymous No.20264041]

>>20260774
tranny cope

[Anonymous No.20264047]

>>20258617
>If all of us were born 100-200 years earlier in well-off families we'd probably be extremely well read. Television, video games, and the internet seriously ruin our ability to read -- they fuck your attention span, and make it feel like thinking is pointless. To be a good reader in 2022, you have to straight up reject Youtube, reject TikTok, reject most entertainment media because it's just going to ruin your ability to think or focus on anything.
There is more to life than reading and you know it.

[Anonymous No.20264053]

>>20260860
Cool will the larp child

[Anonymous No.20264155]

>>20261012
Bonafide retard moment

[Anonymous No.20264207]

>>20261055
dumb tranime cuck

[Anonymous No.20264260]

>>20261069
didn't ask for this cope but ok

[Anonymous No.20264297]

ITT: retards being retards

[Anonymous No.20264330]

>>20261885
You either didn’t read his post or don’t use this board. It’s not about whether or not you can say nigger, it’s about the lack of serious intelligent discussion outside of occasional good threads and effort posts. Ironically, the shitposting you celebrate is what makes this so impossible. There’s no “intellectual challenge” of a picture of the 8000th tuxedo Pepe followed by “FUCK NIGGERS”.

[Anonymous No.20264395]

>>20258992
Excellent bait, thanks Frater

[Anonymous No.20264443]

>>20258992
Still mad that you got filtered by Ducks, Newburyport? Still abusing your children?

[Anonymous No.20264477]

>>20256824
>some narcissistic psychopath and his codependent tranny slaves in a dingy Discord channel, where they only read Nietzsche for some gay political reason.
NO U

[Anonymous No.20264488]

>>20256824
troon cope

[Anonymous No.20264493]

>>20261158
This post is clearly wrong

[Anonymous No.20264498]

>>20261282

This is what schizophrenic contrarians believe.

[Anonymous No.20264503]

>>20261275
it did though

[Anonymous No.20264507]

>>20261293
>>20261316
this is bait

[Anonymous No.20264512]

>>20261368
>politcs out of nowhen
kys

[Anonymous No.20264518]

>>20262605
>wahhh i am so dumb
You deserve it

[Anonymous No.20264520]

>>20261478
Cool with the excess of words my dude you can easily describe your post being rude and falsehood

[Anonymous No.20264529]

>>20261688
true
>>20261722
deez nuts

[Anonymous No.20264553]

>>20256766
Twitter is the only social media site with intelligent posters that actually read.

[Anonymous No.20264567]

>>20261781
Chaddit is better than your circlecuck.

[Anonymous No.20264588]

>>20264553
kill yourself, twitter tranny. twitter is a circlejerk for professional students who have mutually agreed to use eachother for the illusion of a following until the world realizes its error in ignoring their wannabe cultural theory blogshitposts and gives them a real following.

there is no error, you are not ignored in spite of your meta-ironic "Hyperborean Hoxhaist. Gnostic process philosopher. Sometimes photographer." profile, you are (correctly) ignored because of it. you are generic and derivative, you are cringe, you are wasting your time and you contribute nothing. you will never be anybody, and the entire theorybro zeitgeist you are trying to claw your way into was already dead five years before you arrived. bitcoin billionaires and negros tweeting about their "hustle" deserve more respect than you.

[Anonymous No.20264652]

>>20264588
>there is no error, you are not ignored in spite of your meta-ironic "Hyperborean Hoxhaist. Gnostic process philosopher. Sometimes photographer."
Seriously, why the fuck do they do this?

[Anonymous No.20264666]

>>20264652
They are mentally women. Female lack of shame and self-awareness, female desire to preen and posture and receive attention for being a "spectacle," without putting in any actual effort to fit in or demonstrate merit.

Zoomers are half women, half black.

[Anonymous No.20264686]

>>20256824
>halfbreed
stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.20264693]

>>20256790
That's the hand of a man.

[Anonymous No.20264703]

>>20264686
you're right, halfbreed is being generous these days

[Anonymous No.20264711]

>>20264703
In all seriousness, whining about racial purity is very dumb. Who cares if some guy is into a mullatto chick and has kids with her? Who REALLY cares?

[Anonymous No.20264741]

>>20264711
sorry but i'm a proponent of diversity, distinct phenotypes are nice and i see no reason to continue their forced and artificial dissolution. i could see there being some argument for a laissez faire policy about ethnic mixing if it were the natural tendency for different groups of people to blend and dilute eachother, but it isn't. recent immigration is all forced by WEF-type globalism, expressly because it dissolves functional societies and turns them into a uniform soup, what renaud camus calls "undifferentiated human matter" (UHM).

there are many mainstream peer reviewed studies supporting the fact that ethnic homogeneity (just like cultural and linguistic homogeneity) is positively correlated with a high trust society and thus greater happiness and prosperity along every metric.

the human default is homogeneity, not mixing. humans spontaneously form societies of people who look, think, and talk like them. that's part of what makes humanity great. europeans in particular love diversity and instinctively try to preserve it.

[Anonymous No.20264769]

>>20264741
Seems pretty delusional to me. You're basically saying that high speed travel is a plot to destroy cultures, as opposed to a NATURAL evolution of technology.

[Anonymous No.20264800]

>>20264769
high speed rail travel was introduced in europe in the mid 19th century and did not lead to a dissolution of national identities, in fact it strengthened them and "high speed travel" is commonly cited as one of the causes of escalating national tensions and jingoism in the build-up to WW1 because of the intricate timetables involved in any full-scale mobilisation, e.g. in germany's schlieffen plan, which required treating a whole bloc of allied enemy nations as a single "other" for tactical purposes.

technology has human users. normal people use it to improve their lives moderately, while basically retaining their individuality. financial elites use it systemically over time, and increasingly deliberately, to socially engineer less individual, and thus more docile and pliable, subjects.

[Anonymous No.20264830]

>>20264800
All I know is that i've read about high speed travel being a major catalyst for countries getting more diverse. Like, why so many asians are in the US, etc.

Can you disprove that or no?

[Anonymous No.20264906]

>>20260185
>>20261786
take your pills retard

[Anonymous No.20264921]

>>20264703
Those are kids with perms. They're not half-breeds you idiot.

[Anonymous No.20264933]

>>20264518
You're really dumb if that was your takeaway. No wonder you browse /lit/. Your reading skills are atrocious.

[Anonymous No.20264964]

>>20256766
This is an erudite dusty shelf of recycled frog posts and robospam

[Anonymous No.20264965]

>>20264830
economic migrants always travel from relatively depressed regions to ones with more opportunity, if they feel their region is unlikely to improve. regions are especially unlikely to improve when they are run by crony capitalist regimes that only see their own populations as abstract labor to be traded on the world market for GDP.

countries that promise significant increases in representation, like peron's justicialist argentina (peron learned by studying the falange in spain; and he was friends with allende), don't have this problem, because people in the region have more faith that despite their poor conditions, things will improve with hard work. the germans called this volksgemeinschaft ("people's community") and it was responsible for their incredible performance in industry and in war in the '30s and '40s. there are numerous books on the power of volksgemeinschaft, in countries run by both left wing and right wing governments. to take another example that is neither left nor right, look at west germany's post-war "wirtschaftswunder." that isn't just the result of abstract capital supply, it's ethnic german industry. the people behind it were raised by the nazi regime.

the only countries that can't retain their people are those whose people know the country is a capitalist economic zone, and there is no hope for a volksgemeinschaft. luckily as i was saying above, people naturally form communities and reform broken institutions in their communities, in other words volksgemeinschaft is the natural default of human societies if allowed to flow freely (as it currently isn't, under WEF and IMF domination).

even if you are an internationalist socialist, "free" migration (really no such thing, it is all migration coerced by artificially grim economic conditions and ideologies of nihilistic consumerism denying the possibility of change, under global financial capitalism) is extremely bad for local left-wing organizing since it is effectively the mass import of scabs who don't speak the local language, both literally and in a more general cultural sense. there are also many many books about how strong unions and strong workers' movements are directly correlated with ethnic and cultural homogeneity. labor organizing is always an intra-communal, intra-familial, intra-ethnic affair - unions spread through existing ties.

this has been known since the days of marx and engels, who railed against the flooding of the german labor market with depressed scab labor from eastern europe (especially poland), and the days of max weber, who cut his teeth writing about how the capitalistic agricultural barons were buying out their former serfs with cash payments, sending them packing to be rootless labor in some city they've never seen, and replacing them with poles from across the border who will work for nothing. in other words, undifferentiated human matter: former farmers with roots in their land become rootless wage-labor one way or another.

[Anonymous No.20265011]

>>20264965
I really don't know if that qualifies as a rebuttal. You are, in my opinion, attributing far too many things to nefarious conspriacies/plans, when occam's razor would suggest that alan moore is more likely to be correct (I'm paraphrasing here)- "the scary truth is not that the world is controlled by a cabal of elites, but that the world is rudderless".

Also, to be frank, when people with your, uh, views on the germans during the 30's and 40's debate things, I don't really trust your process of arguing to not be "trying to find a conclusion that fits your worldview" rather than "trying to find the truth".

I am prepared for another wall of text, I guess...

[Anonymous No.20265047]

>>20265011
as i said above,
>systemically over time, and increasingly deliberately

you can be more or less sceptical and say that it's 98% systemic, 2% deliberate, or vice versa. marxian theory has the useful concept of the totality, which obviates the need for bourgeois "intentionalism." i think you're skimming my posts, but that's okay, i mostly write this for anybody curious who may be lurking, since your viewpoint is likely all they hear from mainstream sources. i never had much hope of conversation with you, personally.

>I don't really trust
trust isn't necessary when you respond substantively, and have conversations for the sake of possibly learning something rather than "debating" in some dumb internet culture war sense.

when you and the other guy both say what you think is true in good faith, to the best of your abilities, and focus less on personality, you can almost always learn something. for example you can tell from my posts that i'm soft on fascists but also cite a lot of marxist talking points. to someone with an open mind, that would interesting, maybe.

[Anonymous No.20265092]

>>20265047
>since your viewpoint is likely all they hear from mainstream sources. i never had much hope of conversation with you, personally.
rude and arrogant desu

>i'm soft on fascists
no shit

[Anonymous No.20265104]

>>20265092
how is it rude? it's rude to skim people's posts and respond with minimal effort, which you just did again. why would i talk to an ADD phoneposter who just wants to be combative because they've vaguely determined the other person is something they don't like (a fascist)

i hate cancer enablers like you far more than you hate fascists like me and i'm capable of answering your vague low effort queries in a sincere way

[Anonymous No.20265112]

>>20265104
Because in my view, being a fascist is not just a little difference of opinion in the way that, say, what kind of toppings you like on your pizza is.
Instead, it's something that stops me from taking you seriously.

[Anonymous No.20265203]

>>20256766
>talks about reddit while complaining about 4chan

go back to normland, tard.

[Anonymous No.20265216]

>>20256908
underrated observation.

[Anonymous No.20265220]

>>20256914
because who else is going to volunteer????

[Anonymous No.20265291]

>>20257814
substack

[Anonymous No.20265479]

>>20258940
I skim read some of that, some of it was gay, some of it seems kind of weird as a zoomer to be honest, like getting an actual mail or sending a mail to a random person as a zoomer. I'm not even going to say I can't remember a time where I got a physical mail from a person (outside of things like bills or notices from some sort of institution), I'm going to say I NEVER got a physical mail in my life. Maybe doing things that would connect to people in real life that might be a bit antiquated would be a good thing rather than relying on social media.

[Anonymous No.20265494]

>>20261764
>A major issue then of course is you mainly will become the one who will have to talk about reading and such to her, but you are in it for the literature anyway and any sex drive ought to come second.
The concept of this is hilarious but it's probably the healthiest position in this thread.

[Anonymous No.20265516]

>>20264588
The second paragraph reads like an excerpt from Trainspotting kek

[Anonymous No.20265535]

>>20256824
Absolutely brilliantly written, anonkun. You posses great natural talent in wordcraft
Reading the last paragraph was like velvet being draped over my eyes

[Anonymous No.20265545]

>>20256834
I don't go to zogbot indoctrination camps, sorry to disappoint, Moshie

[Anonymous No.20265555]

>>20265203
>i am very special
sorry to burst your bubble but this place is normland since the beginning

[Anonymous No.20265558]

>>20265112
>food analogy

[Anonymous No.20265559]

>>20264965
wow zero pussy energy

[Anonymous No.20265561]

>>20264703
Based children

[Anonymous No.20265563]

>>20264686
>>20264703
>t. parentless virgins

[Anonymous No.20265564]

>>20264666
>oomers
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.20265751]

>>20257399
>>20261012
>>20264017
there are people who actually have good taste there but there are a lot of annoying posters who do the sort of limp-wristed and passive aggressive shit you tend to see with university leftists. one instance that comes to mind was some commenter who said they love reading classics of european literature, and a few people responded with stuff like "um why are you only sticking to european literature? you know there's a lot of great literature from colonised peoples?"

more recently on a thread for their satantango groupread claimed the book was making a statement on communism and again, responses like "i think that says more about your own perception of what communism is".

to its credit more of the users there seem like they actually read books than they do on this board, but a good effortposter here is better than anything you'll see on r/truelit. that being said it's harder and harder to find good effortposters here.

[Anonymous No.20265754]

>>20265751
someone in the satantango groupread*

[Anonymous No.20265832]

>>20256824
>people praise this post
So it's true people today are ifiotsy

[Anonymous No.20265845]

>>20256766
touch ass

[Anonymous No.20265896]

>>20265011
>btw you're a nazi
reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.20265914]

>>20264443
Absolutely rent free

[Anonymous No.20265986]

>>20265751
This, truelit is decent but you’ll get tired of it after a while. I’ve read things on /lit/ that I still think about from time to time but I’ve never seen even the capacity of such observations in anyone on that sub yet. Plus that Reddit passive aggressive tone is so nauseating I’d rather just come here and be called a retard a couple of times than hear another redditor “politely” imply something really offensive to my character with a “thanks!” at the end.

[Anonymous No.20266148]

>>20256824
The board died when jungerposter left

[Anonymous No.20266375]

>>20261285
This. Just bring up whatever you noticed or want to talk about. The only way that would go wrong is if you're overthinking it, or desperately care about what others think of you.

[Anonymous No.20267473]

>>20260774
I’m adhd fag and I’ve read 6 books this year and I’m pissed it’s not more. You’re not doing enough either faggot

[Anonymous No.20267526]

>>20267473
I'm on my seventh now. I read because i'm bored. Gonna kill myself soon

[Anonymous No.20267763]

>>20263793
I've talked to a girl who seemed in awe when I mentioned I do not use social media and go on long breaks from the internet now and then. She seemed eager to want to quit social media for the sake of her good. It seems to me that most people on here take women for programmed and moronic npcs, which doesn't apply to
only them really, men are like that too, and many (decently intelligent) people who I've met want to quit the poison of the internet, looking at the freedom as some sort of a heightened and better state of life. The problem is that addiction does not lose its touch, so these dreamers of a better state don't live up to the ideal or their word of will.

[Anonymous No.20269087]

>>20256824
There are great posts like these multiple times a day on /lit/. There are also people who really care about learning on /lit/. Do you really think you're the only one? This board is just fine.

[Anonymous No.20269304]

>>20263793
Everybody I've spoken to irl (incl women) about not having any social media has given positive reaction and indicated that they also want to give it up/think it's the great Satan. I don't mention that I use 4chan (which is social media (and but so I am a sinner and a liar)) in polite company for obvious reasons.

[Anonymous No.20269310]

>>20265845
Where is this?

[Anonymous No.20269359]

OFFICIAL /LIT/ POST TIER LIST:

S) Clear effortposts built off of experience, intuition, and knowledge of relevant material, not thought up while writing the post, but already clearly formulated because of actual force of thought put into structuring the idea and connecting it to others.

A) Effortposts which show evidence of genuine thought, but are not concieved clearly.

B) Short aphoristic posts which summarizes a genuine and consequential thought into a short paragraph.

C) Trite short posts with little evidence of reflection, repeated countless times. Considering these as new posts is like considering computer generated music built by an artificial intelligence trained from a set of milquetoast pop songs as new music.

D) Effortposts which show little evidence of reflection, not only beating a dead horse, but wasting people's time while doing it.

F) Forced sardonic pseudo-witty one liner "gotcha" posts that add nothing to the discussion, posted only to make the poster feel smart.

[Anonymous No.20269676]

>>20269359
Post examples of each

[Anonymous No.20269713]

>>20269359
S) tier is probably the honest to god schizos who don't put any effort into their posts because they're compelled by fourteen years of personal study on all the books on the subject and the weapons grade autism to talk about it regardless of what anyone else in the thread wants. There's no formalism, just a stream of consciousness where standard fact checking by the reader strikes true.
Moved everything else down to "spoonfeeding" and "lurk moar" tier, strong overlap with tripfaggotry when unnecessary and consequently reddit

[Anonymous No.20269834]

>>20264800
>>20264965
>>20265047
Good and interesting posts. I especially like the point about time scales for individuals vs certain groups that have certain goals.

[Anonymous No.20269887]

>>20256824
I certainly feel you.
Used to be pretty active here around 2019 and the board felt way more alive and random for the better and worse now.
It's still compared to other boards doing fairly good in terms of post quality (It hasn't died out like old /k/ and turned to /pol/ and /int/ shitposting), but it has gotten awfully calm.

[Anonymous No.20269888]

>>20256825
>kek

[Anonymous No.20269956]

>>20256824
In every community there's always the hasbeen faggot who used to be cool in one group and now that that group has left he bemoans the loss of a golden age. As someone who has been here since the inception of the board, very little has changed, and you are a mere curmudgeon and tranny.

[Anonymous No.20270021]

>>20256766
There is no discussion. Literature isn't just about a body of words, a book unread is unremarkable, but the psyche's communion with these words.

The content gleamed from reading is always dependent on the subject's mental ability, his breadth of knowledge and his multifaceted desires, or to suffocate the minds poetic dimensions, his verbal IQ and collective experience; this means there's an inequality in the abilities of humans to create and comprehend each others meanings.

Immortal works of literature, the nebulous canon, have been kept from there mortal origins by being reread; the greatest, most passionate readers in history have moulded this unofficial list of kino. Shakespeare was popular in his day but the public was ready to forget him when he died, it was his company that wrote up the quartos, they and other poets appreciated his genius.

So to tie these two texts, literature represents the efforts of the most obsessed readers in history to preserve the most intricate textures of language and (you) wonder why the majority of people haven't got anything more interesting to say about it. Unless you write a book or essay with the work before as inspiration there really is nothing more to say about a work of art other than it's good. Discussing literature is pointless because the discussion is mediated by the other subject's limits of understanding; you can't make someone into yourself so you can never make someone understand words how you do. The only thing you can do is recommend works you consider to have merit.

Lit will never work because it counts itself exterior to the craft it's centered on. Only when people start treating posting on here as an Extension of their literary endeavors and start holding there own posts to the standards they hold their valued authors will this board become pleasing and informative to read. This won't happen so just don't get mad, enjoy the kek and if the quality of the writing bothers you go read the book you posting about.

[Anonymous No.20270133]

>>20256766
>r/literature, but that board blows too
Yep, I heard someone there tried to make the point that the Underground Man raped the prostitute... It's honestly been years since I read this, but that can't be true, right? That's just a redditor trying to puff up their social justice feathers for upvotes, right?

[Anonymous No.20270168]

>>20270021
In my experience it's hard to establish sufficient context with another poster to have even a basic nontrivial back-and-forth. Getting to the point where the signal-to-noise is high enough that you can be understood and understand others when deep, surprising ideas are being shared, is very difficult, and uncommon. I've had good experiences achieving something like that when it's with someone I know personally, and it's a conversation that occurs not in a single sitting but over days or weeks, and there is no goal of appearing smart to anyone.

[Anonymous No.20270191]

>>20269676
>There is nothing new under the sun.
F tier

[Anonymous No.20270334]

No, literature is in a state of decay, the good discussions aren’t hiding somewhere, the thoughtful readers aren’t gathered together in some niche corner of the internet, the good authors aren’t being ignored or misunderstood. /lit/ is just one part of the decaying body of literature.

[Anonymous No.20271575]

>>20256766
It has never been a good board for discussing literature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDrz2LGMVwA
You will still get good recommendations if you ask, use the archives for that as well, that's where /lit/ shines.
Tbh I have read much fewer interesting posts this year. On the other hand I have spent so much time here that novel opinions, may they be about literature or society, have gotten rare for me. As others have said the art form literature has been in decline and the only newer books that people have been talking about are mediocre popular science nonfiction books, leftist racebait books and right-wing schizo-rehashs of Nietzsche. Sometimes these discussions are good, but the books rarely. Bronze Age Mindset has been the only one worth reading.
>So what are the alternatives besides talking to someone in real life or joining a book club?
Go outside and enjoy life and apply what you have read instead of wasting more time on books. Find a waifu, go hunting/fishing/diving/trekking, have an adventure.
Why do you want to talk about fictional literature anyway

[Anonymous No.20271610]

>>20270334
Very succinctly said. /lit/ isn’t interesting because literature is no longer interesting and people who read books are not interesting.

[Anonymous No.20271824]

>>20259309
Join the slate star discord and dm people you like asking for their servers.

[Anonymous No.20271942]

>>20257156
never talk to women and their orbiters

[Anonymous No.20271949]

>>20258899
Theist rationalists cannot be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.20271959]

>>20260786
>the kind of Democracy we want to build
??? democracy was built by bourgeois who wanted the merchant class to be the ruling one, and a huge part of the commercial society is just giving sheer entertainment to the masses

[Anonymous No.20271977]

>>20262011
>besides /x/, but there's a different reason why the ones on /x/ are so long)
why?

[Anonymous No.20271983]

>>20263793
women devote their life to sex, so they can only understand life thru this

[Anonymous No.20272285]

>>20256766
>Another example was someone posting about Lolita and just saying "OMG this book is literally sooooooooo good!" Then a bunch of redditors chimed in giving milquetoast comments about how everyone who reads it thinks Humbert is a good guy, but not me the intelligent redditor! I saw through Humbert's wheedling words! The problem is there is still no discussion of the book. It was just people patting themselves on the back for having read the book and trying to make themselves out as intelligent for having read a book.
its the same on /lit/

[Anonymous No.20273043]

>>20256824
I throw roses at you you blessed basedanon, but don't lose hope. People who read are out there:

(me).

[Anonymous No.20273053]

>>20266148
who?

[Anonymous No.20273161]

Literature is dead everywhere

[Anonymous No.20273196]

>>20256790
Either they want or need an escape, and the kind of escape that literature actually cannot give them. Video games can. Television can. Novels can’t.

It’s actually exhausting to read and talk about literature nowadays. And it’s often repetitive.