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>In 1882, he visited the Tolstoys and, at 63, performed the can-can for the children. "Turgenev - the can-can. Sad," Tolstoy wrote in his diary.

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>>20254750
Based

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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)00:42:06 No.20251264▶>>20251283 >>20252012 >>20252175
What the fuck was he thinking?
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)00:48:22 No.20251283▶
>>20251264 (OP)
You could say that about his entire career
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)05:02:58 No.20252012▶
>>20251264 (OP)
the dark tower the dark tower
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)05:40:58 No.20252156▶>>20252344
He got knocked retarded by a van after years of knocking himself retarded with coke and booze. After book four the series goes completely to shit and it was honestly pretty dumb even before that.
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)05:47:02 No.20252175▶
>>20251264 (OP)
no idea but I can't help but admire it a bit just because of how bizarre it is. Even if it's dumb.
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)06:20:47 No.20252344▶
>>20252156
Perfectly put. Book 4 is the apex, the rest is mediocre. That van really fucked him up.
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)09:44:44 No.20253175▶
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)10:18:40 No.20253316▶
Book 1 was really good
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)16:47:30 No.20254759▶
I like the very ending of Dark Tower otherwise yes book 4 was the last good one.
I would say Gunslinger is exceptionally good and different from a lot that I've read. It's standalone in a way.

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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)16:44:22 No.20254747▶>>20254752 >>20254790 >>20254810
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All three of my romance novels flopped Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)08:22:09 No.20252862▶>>20252871 >>20252912 >>20252961 >>20253180 >>20253185 >>20253203 >>20253219 >>20254711 >>20254724 >>20254731 >>20254740 >>20254742
>friend is a romance author
>made $100,000 last year
>decide to become a romance author myself
>challenging and time consuming
>work 3 months straight
>my books totally flop.

I am currently trying to do a fourth but it is seeming very futile at this stage. How do I write romance in a way that middle aged normie women, and gays appreciate?
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)08:23:51 No.20252871▶
>>20252862 (OP) (OP)
>How do I write romance in a way that middle aged normie women, and gays appreciate?
You have to pick one, it's impossible to appeal to both in significant numbers
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)08:24:46 No.20252877▶
Write a book about a handsome gay man who gets seduced by an aged hagraven.
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)08:31:06 No.20252899▶
What's your friend's name? I'm genuinely curious to read their work now kek.
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)08:32:54 No.20252912▶
>>20252862 (OP) (OP)
Women love rape and someone to take care of them. Also pirates

Gay men are like men and they like physical things
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)08:40:11 No.20252944▶
Just get the bestsellers, distill their formula and archetypes and just fill the rest for your books. Don't tell me you're actually trying to make up shit.
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)08:43:42 No.20252961▶
>>20252862 (OP) (OP)
It's all about marketing and not how you write.
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)09:45:18 No.20253180▶>>20253220 >>20254726
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>>20252862 (OP) (OP)
>How do I write romance in a way that middle aged normie women, and gays appreciate?
Write abusive smut. That's what holes like. Arrogant bullies who are also tall, muscular, rich, and for some reason obsessed with them even though they're mediocre females.
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)09:46:40 No.20253185▶
>>20252862 (OP) (OP)
are you using a female pseudonym? if not, use it.
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)09:51:26 No.20253203▶
>>20252862 (OP) (OP)
Maybe you're a shit writer.
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)09:54:36 No.20253219▶
>>20252862 (OP) (OP)
Why did you post a picture of a convicted child molester. What kind of romances are you writing?
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Anonymous 04/21/22(Thu)09:55:15 No.20253220▶
>>2

>> No.20254863

>>20254854
QA lost

>> No.20255425

i almost feel bad for turgenev

>> No.20255439

>>20254750
lmao

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>I have never been in love with women. I have very often been in love with men; my first love was the two Pushkins, then the second – Saburov, then the third Zybin and Dyakov, the fourth Obolensky, Blosfeld, Islavin, then Gautier and many others. Of all these people I still love only Dyakov. For me the chief sign of love is the fear of offending or not pleasing the object of one’s love; simply fear. I fell in love with men before I had any idea of the possibility of pederasty; but even when I knew about it, the idea of the possibility of coitus never occurred to me. . . . here is the case of Dyakov; but I shall never forget the night when we were travelling from Pirogovo, and, wrapped up underneath a travelling rug, I wanted to kiss him and cry. There was sensuality in that feeling, but why it took that course it’s impossible to decide because, as I said, my imagination never painted any lubricious pictures; on the contrary, I have a terrible aversion to all that.
Leo Tolstoy's diary, 29 November 1851

>> No.20255466

>>20255450
>I have never been in love with women
based
>I have very often been in love with men
cringe

>> No.20255513

>>20254750
damn, why was tolstoy such a bitch

>> No.20255526

>>20254854
based

>> No.20255572

>>20255450
>tfw have never had any intimate contact with a friend
>never cuddled up together on a cold night
I'm so fucking lonely.

>> No.20255994

>>20255450
holy based

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>>20255450
Books with this feeling?

by that I mean this feeling of true love that only exists as he described?

>> No.20256042

>>20256037
Roger Peyrefitte SPecial Friendships

>> No.20256118

lmao what a fucking cunt.

>> No.20256176

>>20256037
Fug he's cute.

>> No.20256312

>>20254750
"Delete your Twitter." -Solzhenitsin

>> No.20256354

>>20256037
god damn that bottom dude is way out of the other guy's league

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>>20254750
>>20255513
>>20256118
Tolstoy seems like he was kind of mean spirited in general

>> No.20256915

>>20256861
stop reposting my twink.

/lit/ can never find cute homo files themselves its pathetic.

>> No.20257174

>>20256037
>>20256861
SEX

>> No.20257388

>>20255450
I don’t really see anything wrong with this. What he is describing is a great love. Homosexuality is always a degeneracy and involves sex. Loving a man without sex is called friendship and it is pure.

>> No.20257542

>>20257388
>loving a man
Pure
>loving a man, with your semen in him
Purer

>> No.20257549

>>20256037
Plato's Symposium. The Ancient Greeks generally

>> No.20257879

>>20257388
Then why cant I kiss my pretty buddy without as a loving friend without people thinking I want to pump him full of cum?

>> No.20257896

>>20257388
This desu. It's what Achilles and Patroclus had.

>> No.20259679

>>20257896
Achilles fuckde Patroclus thighs according to Aeschylus and Plato

>> No.20259706

>>20257388
This is true, but a man needs his space or it becomes too effeminate.

>> No.20259734

>>20255466
>being in love with men is cringe
>anon doesn't know about Agape

I bet you never looked up to a man, right?

>> No.20259735

>>20255513
He was jealous of Turgenevs effortless dexterity and rhythm.

>> No.20259740

>>20257388
Why is eroticism between men and women pure but not eroticism between men? Also speaking from experience, sometimes I have had almost purely romantic feelings toward other males. Do straight men ever have this feeling too? Falling in love with another boy or man? This is why I get annoyed during these conversations. I never see or hear about straight men falling in love with other men, but whenever the topic comes up straight men say gay men ruin it.

>> No.20259812 [DELETED] 

>>20254750
>clearly a joke about a friend, one whom he did not have the best relationship with but still did not seek to disparage
>everyone ITT is talking about him being a bitch
Proof that /lit/ can’t into subtle nuance and therefore doesn’t read

>> No.20259826

>>20254750
strong trump vibesd

>> No.20259837

>>20259740
i've been attracted towards some men aesthetically but never thought about anything more

>> No.20259883

>>20254750
You’re missing several crucial pieces of context here
>Tolstoy and Turgenev were friends with just as many quarrels as fond memories, but neither actively tried to disparage the other
>Tolstoy wrote that down after seeing Turgenev lose his balance and fall doing the can can, which greatly amused everyone present but also rendered uncomfortable those who knew that he was in poor health and was conscious of it (if he didn’t relay it in correspondence with people like Afanasy Fet, later works like the Torrents of Spring certainly examine that subject)
>Turgenev would die the following year
Nothing about Tolstoy being a bad friend or a “bitch,” just a man who recognized that his friend didn’t have all that much time left and put it in few words

>> No.20259907

>>20259679
>according to faggots who had nothing to do with Homer and lived hundreds of years after him. Why dont you tell me about John Milton like you fucking knew him personally?

>> No.20259919

>>20255450
The Kreutzer Sonata makes so much more sense

>> No.20259924

>>20259907
Achilles and Patroclus weren't real people anon they are mythical figures. Aeschylus and Plato were not "faggots"

>> No.20259968

>>20255450
He really was a retard for writing it all in his diary.

>> No.20259976

>>20257388
Yes, with a little bit of sensuality too.

>> No.20260003

>>20255450
>tfw when I'll never embrace my war-buddy on the battlefield, clenching for humanity where there is none beyond my grasp.

>> No.20260024

>>20259883
>Turgenev - the can-can
is it that one where you get on your knees really low to the ground and kick each alternative leg out

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>>20255450
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>> No.20260032

>>20260024
No, that's the kazachok. The can-can is the one where girls kick really high so you can see their bloomers, which gave boomers an erection so powerful they died on the spot.