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[Anonymous No.20224963]

Who are the modern day philosophers? I really liked picrel. It was written before Jordan Peterson became really popular, and therefore feels more like a rigid philosophical work than a book targeted towards his audience, like the 12 rules books.

[Anonymous No.20225154]

No one not even people who have phds in epistemology like meme harris. Certainly not someone like BAP.

[Anonymous No.20225162]

>>20224963
WLC?

[Anonymous No.20225173]

>>20224963
Unironically chuds like Sam Hyde and Mister Metokur. We've had 4000 years of traditional philosophy; there's only so much you can think about things before all the main schools of thought are exhausted. Everything in that is just previous shit updated to fit the modern context.

However, technology and the internet is revolutionary. The right way of thinking about things is that we are significantly separated from the rest of human history: the human history that didn't have computers. The "philosophy" of our time, if you can even call it that, consists of people taking about the effects of social media, what it means to live in the era of social justice and tech censorship, etc etc. Unfortunately, this means that almost all of it is blackpill or clownpill shit.

[Anonymous No.20225178]

>>20225173
Eh, 3000 years I guess.

[Anonymous No.20225188]

>>20225173
Metokur is based since he exposes idiots just by existing. Everyone who watches his shit is a double digit iq cocksucker.

[OP No.20225228]

>>20225173
I agree about Sam Hyde, although Sam talks more about financial and life advice type things than philosophical topics, like Peterson. That being said, Sam mentions Peterson alot in his earlier Hydewars episodes so he's obviously effected by him.

[Anonymous No.20225258]

>>20225173
Metokur seemed like a genuinely smart cookie whenever he talked seriously about some topics. Been a while since I heard him do that though, the cancer has probably fucked his brain desu

[Anonymous No.20225301]

>>20224963
>feels more like a rigid philosophical work

[Anonymous No.20225636]

>>20224963
I'll rattle off some contemporary philosophers:
Yujin Nagasawa
Nick Bostrom
David Chalmers
Luciano Floridi
Tim Maudlin
Timothy Williamson
David Albert
John Haldane
Michael Sandel
Eric Scerri
Galen Strawson
Bernard Stiegler
Robert Brandom
Colin McGinn
Axel Honneth
Slavoj Žižek
Graham Priest
Elliott Sober
John Gray
Eleonore Stump
Martha Nussbaum
Philip Kitcher
Peter Sloterdijk
Jean-Luc Marion
Peter Singer
Gareth Evans
Patricia Churchland
Rosalind Hursthouse
Frank Cameron Jackson
John McDowell
Peter van Inwagen
Derek Parfit
John Deely
Paul Churchland
Daniel Dennett
Robert Keohane
Bas van Fraassen
David Kellogg Lewis
John Finnis
T. M. Scanlon
Robert Stalnaker
Saul Kripke
Joseph Raz
Robert Nozick
Gilbert Harman
Alvin Goldman
Robert Merrihew Adams
Thomas Nagel
Keith Lehrer
Michael Walzer
Jerry Fodor
Richard Swinburne
Robert Sokolowski
John F. Wippel
Umberto Eco
Alvin Plantinga
John Searle
Richard Rorty
Guy Debord
Ronald Dworkin
Jonathan Bennett
Jacques Derrida
Judith Jarvis Thomson
Alasdair MacIntyre
Jürgen Habermas
Jaakko Hintikka
Bernard Williams
Jean Baudrillard

[Anonymous No.20226559]

>>20225188
If we could get ahold of his subscriber list we would know all the biggest idiots to avoid.

[Anonymous No.20226911]

>>20225636
A large contingent of those are dead, some of which for over 10 years.

[Anonymous No.20226924]

>>20225173
Mostly of the left seems content regurgitating old tropes like Zizek and Chomsky and being obsessed with lock downs, meanwhile

[Anonymous No.20226928]

>>20226559
I don't watch his shit anymore not since 2015 but I have my own ideas and channel

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCL_mbrI3jLBKL1SIEnMFmwA

Don't mind the name its just used to scare off liberals

[Anonymous No.20226974]

>>20225173
>>20226924
Yeah nah undertaking Chomsky and Zizek is far more respectable and worth your time than watching Sam hyde videos. Get real, grow up.

[Anonymous No.20227003]

>>20226974
maybe Zizek, but Chomsky is actively ignorant of the Srebenica Massacre/Bosnian concentration camps as genocide. Not that his ideas are inherently invalidated by this, but this is necessary to take into context if you read him

[Anonymous No.20227098]

>>20225173
>>20226924
You’re both retarded

[Anonymous No.20227692]

bump

[Anonymous No.20227728]

>>20225188
shut up chud

[Anonymous No.20227734]

>>20225173
>mister "I'll never start a patreon" redditor

He's just a glowie friendship simulator chuddites use to project their issues onto everybody else

[Anonymous No.20227754]

>>20227734
Give him a break. His ass cancer could kill him at any moment.

[Anonymous No.20227755]

>>20226924
Chomsky is a nonagenarian, so his ideas being somewhat stale by this point shouldn't be surprising

[Anonymous No.20227764]

>>20227754
No fuck that retard

[Anonymous No.20227780]

>>20225636
based actual philosophy reader

[Anonymous No.20227815]

>>20227734
"Hey I don't wanna be a sellout like all these trannies and SJWs"
>Gets numerous autoimmune disorders
>Gets cancer
>People want to give you money to help
>Lets people give him money

NOOOOOO NOT HIS HECKIN PRINCIPLES THE GODDAMN ETHICALINOS

[Anonymous No.20227827]

>>20225636
Weird to see myself on such a list when I consider myself more of an essayist.

[Anonymous No.20227847]

>>20224963
Imageboard shitposters.

[Anonymous No.20227869]

>>20227827
Shut the fuck up Eleonore.

[Anonymous No.20227878]

Nick Land
Mencius Moldbug
BAP
Jack Donovon
The Golden One
Thomas777
Academic Agent
Eric Striker
Jordan Peterson
Mike Ma
Paul Waggener
Delicious Tacos
zerohplovecraft
Logo Daedalus
Kantbot
Icy Calm

Enough there for a good start at least.

[Anonymous No.20228465]

>>20224963
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.20228469]

Nassim Taleb

[Anonymous No.20229643]

>>20228469
This

[Anonymous No.20229791]

>>20224963
>Who are the modern day philosophers? I really liked picrel.
He himself says he's not teaching anything new.

[Anonymous No.20229804]

>>20227815
He is cancer

[Anonymous No.20229810]

>>20224963

[Anonymous No.20229854]

>>20229791
>he's not teaching anything new.
like the overwhelming majority of philosophers throughout history, then

[Anonymous No.20229864]

>>20224963
Has anyone watched this? I began watching because I found it odd to see someone like Jordan Peterson discussing anything with Roger Penrose.
I got 20 minutes in, and because I know very little about physics or cognitive science, I can't tell if I'm overreacting about how embarrassing it is for Jordan Peterson in terms of interview/discussion performance.

[Anonymous No.20229866]

>>20224963
Sellars

[Anonymous No.20229945]

>>20224963
Her works on the possibility of the intellectual intuition of pure abstract ideas in transcendental phenomenology is superlative.

[Anonymous No.20229968]

>>20224963
Does anyone have the image of the paragraph from maps of meaning where he talks about being enlightened by the serpent/lucifer?

[Anonymous No.20230098]

>>20229864
I watched it, I have no fucking idea why Jordan would even implicitly suggest that his archetypical psychology could be linked to bleeding edge astrophysics. What was he thinking. Playing devil's advocate you could say he was just there to learn, but come on. The whole thing was pretty awkward, but learning about pic related was fun, even if Penrose himself essentially said it's just a fun little art piece/thought experiment.

[Anonymous No.20230113]

>>20230098
>bleeding edge astrophysics
tell us you're retarded without telling us you're retarded

[Anonymous No.20230154]

>>20227878
genuinely good bait

[Anonymous No.20230160]

>>20230154
But... I was serious...

[Anonymous No.20230164]

>>20230113
>Bleeding edge
The very forefront of a field. Given that he's proposing alternate big bang models is this not the case?
>Astrophysics
The physics concerned with astronomical bodies. Penrose talks about black holes etc.

I mean if I'm wrong tell me. Maybe I have my conception of those words wrong?

[Anonymous No.20230171]

>>20229864
>I got 20 minutes in, and because I know very little about physics or cognitive science, I can't tell if I'm overreacting about how embarrassing it is for Jordan Peterson in terms of interview/discussion performance.
I'm 35min in. I enjoying Penrose and would love to know more about his thought.
JP needs to be humbled more and just stfu and let others speak.
Essentially be an "intelligent" Joe Rogan / average version of In Our Time.

[Anonymous No.20230342]

>>20230098
Yeah, I stopped watching when I counted Penrose indicating for the fifth time that what Peterson what saying is a non sequitur, or doesn't really say anything concrete about consciousness.

[Anonymous No.20230429]

>>20224963
BAP
Yarvin
Taleb
The latter two are almost too practically oriented to call them philosophers, but these are the only three people I've read who have genuinely new ideas

[Anonymous No.20232025]

>>20225636
Where is Nick Land

[Anonymous No.20233009]

>>20225636
>no mark fisher
5/10 could’ve tried harder

[Anonymous No.20233047]

>>20224963
>Who are the modern day philosophers?

[Anonymous No.20233238]

>>20224963
Gustavo Bueno

[Anonymous No.20233408]

>>20224963
Honestly I'm huge on the meta irony thing. It makes alot of people seethe but my favorites are BAP and Sam Hyde. For BAP his book and podcasts are pretty great, as for Sam Hyde his videos. Both are on Gumroad. If you really feel like it you can get one month on it, then download all the shit to computer, then cancel. Pretty sure that they have a free month as well. However I kept it since they are a part of the few creators I actually want to support in modern day, so I dont mind letting em have a fiver monthly.

[Anonymous No.20233465]

>>20225173
No, all the stuff Plato and Aristotle discussed were considered old knowledge. Their methods of explaining them are what proved novel. Plato, in discussing the proper way to raise children in his Republic, refered to norms and knowledge that were already established as good. The field of mathematics wasn't new to him. Raising kids to be physically healthy, mathematically minded, and moral are all "conservative" (in the real , apolitical sense of the word) things. Even Aristotle said that the purpose of his thesis in Ethics was not to make "debate masters" but to make moral children.
The Eastern Plato and Aristotles, Confucius and Mencius, also believed philosophy was a backward, inward looking study. It's why they refer so heavily to the ancient chinese book of Poetry.
In the ancient past, philosophy was a look backwards and inward. Only in modern times (a result of the French and Protestant Revolutions) did "philosophy" become less about finding the truth and more about novelty and debate club bullshit. In fact, iirc Plato refused to allow the younger pupils to debate because he recognised that even in his day the tendency of young guys to turn philosophy into owning contests and dick measuring was inevitable.
The purpose of philosophy is to look for Truth and to become moral. You're not gonna find that in guys who want you to think your brain works the same as a lobster or from the guy who used to be based but now lives in an anime basement afraid of being killed by a puff of wind or the China Virus.
I have no problem with Sam Hyde, but he's still not a philosopher. E Michael Jones may qualify, but regardless, the point of learning philosophy isn't supposed to be Acts 17:21. It's about self improvement, and finding what is the most true.
many of the classical philosophers, and theologians will bring you closer to that.

[Anonymous No.20233472]

>>20224963
They're all here

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>>20233472
>>20224963
>blocks your path