/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20218313]

I physically cringed when I got to the part of the inferno when virgil appears to be dantes guide to hell and he meets all his greek philosophers. I cant believe this dumb faggot is considered a great writer of the western tradition

[Anonymous No.20218322]

Why doee he got airpods in lmao
Mans listenin to lil yeezy

[Anonymous No.20218326]

>>20218322
yoooooooo fr fr.
he bussin no cap

[Anonymous No.20218328]

>>20218326
Shut yo ass up cracker bitch

[Anonymous No.20218329]

>>2021831
angry retard

[Anonymous No.20218337]

I cant believe this fat hack is considered a great director of the western tradition

[Anonymous No.20218357]

>>20218322
bruh lmaooooooooooooooooooooo

[Anonymous No.20218423]

>>20218313
why?

[Anonymous No.20218443]

>>20218313
>I cant believe this dumb faggot is considered a great writer of the western tradition
You are probably reading a translation, Dante has been considered the best writer of all time by countless academics from all around the world. Who do you consider to be better than the GOAT?

[Anonymous No.20218539]

>>20218313
Reread what you've written in this post and you might scrape the lower slopes of the mountain of ignorance that makes up your entire person. I hate you with every fibre of my being, this is one of the most stupid posts I've read in a while

[Anonymous No.20218546]

>>20218313
trivia:
>the language that came to be thought of as Italian developed in central Tuscany and was first formalized in the early 14th century through the works of Tuscan writer Dante Alighieri, written in his native Florentine. Dante's epic poems, known collectively as the Commedia, to which another Tuscan poet Giovanni Boccaccio later affixed the title Divina, were read throughout the peninsula and his written dialect became the "canonical standard" that all educated Italians could understand. Dante is still credited with standardizing the Italian language.

[Anonymous No.20218600]

>>20218546
How can one man be so based?

[Anonymous No.20218622]

Clearly you're an averse-to-substance millenial who require the dusty classics retold through ironic lens and contemporary themes.
Watch the 2007 movie.

[Anonymous No.20218703]

>>20218313
zitto animale

[Anonymous No.20219196]

>>20218313
Filtered, as it should be. For your reading prowess is on level of early 14th century Ravenna women, who ran away screaming when they saw Dante on the streets, becouse they thought he can enter and leave hell, for his descriptions were so realistic.
They were just dumbfuck women, Dante does use travelogue mystification but very obviously doesn't write about the literal Hell.
Why do you think Dante talks to Vergilius as "My talent" that one time in Purgatory? Vergilius both is and isn't the ancient poet Vergilius. Just like Divine Comedy both is and isn't about traveling through Hell, Purgatory and Heaven. Comedy achieves to be both realistic and symbolic. The book is about everything. It's a square, it stands on whichever side it falls (as Dante himself says). You cannot read only the realistic plane of the book and expect to understand it.
They say you should start with the greeks, but to read the Comedy to it's fullest you need to not only start with the Greeks, but also start with the Bible, troubadour poetry, italan history, medieval travelogues and many more fields of literature, which Dante was inspired by.
Are you a dumbfuck dodgeridoo nigger peerchance?

[Anonymous No.20219213]

>>20219196
The fact that it's the nazis here who fawn over Dante tells me everything I need to know about his growing irrelevance. The post-religious world can't come soon enough. Seethe, faggot.

[Anonymous No.20219268]

>>20219213
One of most important themes in the Comedy is corruption of the church and fanatical adversion. People have tried to silence Dante's voice even before the book was being written, in fact that's why it was written in the first place.
Filtered seething niggers have been trying to cancel Dante for last 700 years, but alas!
To quote Dante himself:
If this sacred poem—
this work so shared by heaven and by earth
that it has made me lean through these long years—
can ever overcome the cruelty
that bars me from the fair fold where I slept,
a lamb opposed to wolves that war on it,
by then with other voice, with other fleece,
I shall return as poet and put on,
at my baptismal font, the laurel crown . . .
And so he lives life eternal in paradise that is his genius and soul put into Comedy, while all the popes and florentian filth are remembered only when somebody opens the Comedy and finds out all of them are burning in hell.

[Anonymous No.20219273]

>>20219213
>Bräuninger recounts a remarkable incident in which Mussolini invited the German – and incidentally Jewish – translator of Dante, Rudolf Borchardt, to a private audience in 1933, and quotes from Rudolf Borchardt’s Besuch bei Mussolini (Visit to Mussolini):

>'I could only be astonished that this man, the ruler of Italy, with all the burdens of the day’s work on his shoulders, found time to discuss with me the precise translation of individual words and expressions . . . He opened the first Canto and began to read. “That is a literal translation,” he remarked, and then said, “I understand it is written in a modern German style. Wait, what is this?” He pointed to a word he did not know, and I had to explain it to him. . . . Concentrated willpower and a positive sort of decisiveness mastered in large part the rounded and complete gestures of the kind one might expect from a dignitary of the Church or an aristocratic poet, reminding me of some pictures of the later Goethe. . . . Schlegel, Schelling, Hegel, King Johann of Saxony, Vossler, George – he made a brief appraisal of each. “Now to the fifth circle of the Inferno,” he exclaimed, adding rapidly and almost merrily, “Francesca da Remini.” . . . He went to the last stanzas, read out my German translation, then recited the original Italian verses from memory, read more German, and compared them exactly with the verses which he knew by heart. He pointed to a subtlety of tone in the Italian original and wanted to be sure that I had successfully reproduced it in German, reading out my German version slowly and carefully, with a strong but accurate pronunciation. Finally, he interrupted his own criticisms and suggestions by excusing himself, adding that he was only a layman and a mere reader. He closed the book, opened it once more, and finally closed it for good. “Thank you,” he said earnestly, and shook my hand warmly.' (p. 163)

>So much for the ignorant dictator! It would be interesting to know how many professors of Italian literature today could today offer an informed critique of a translation of Dante’s Inferno, citing stanzas by heart, let alone how many mere laymen and readers could do so. Bräuninger tells us that Mussolini was an avid reader of the Classics and a keen opera aficionado, something which tends to be ignored in post-war mainstream historical accounts.

>Much else tends to be downplayed as well, which Bräuninger highlights, including the enormous popularity of Mussolini’s economic and social policies.

[Anonymous No.20220634]

>>20219213
Go back to watching marvel, playing electronic games and tugging your cock, manchild.

[Anonymous No.20220672]

I feel like The Commedia is just Ready Player One for the Renaissance
>And then Socrates
>And then Medusa
>And then Avicenna
>And then the Pope
Literally "I clapped when I saw the reference" tier

[Anonymous No.20220996]

>>20218313
Italians can't write, as usual.

[Anonymous No.20221006]

>>20219273
Worth noting that Rudolf Borchardt was a fascist Jew who got cucked by the Nazis

[Anonymous No.20222388]

>>20220672
It was, but he wrote it in Italian so the plebs could read it and he could influence them.
>puts in all his favorite poets
>all star list of baddies that guard each circle
>OP Hell level design and creation
>no backstory just right to the forest and into the action
>also a time capsule of localized history when he wrote it
>puts everyone he hates or slighted him in real life into Hell including people still living
Yea I'm thinking Dante is based

[Anonymous No.20223231]

>>20218423
>>20218443
>>20218539
holy shit calm down. It's literally self insert fan fiction

[Anonymous No.20223239]

>>20218546
i thought he wrote in Latin? can i read his books if i read italian?

[Anonymous No.20223260]

>>20223239
no, he wrote in tuscan

>It helped establish the Tuscan language, in which it is written, as the standardized Italian language.[3] It is divided into three parts: Inferno, Purgatorio, and Paradiso.

[Anonymous No.20223264]

>>20218313
Let me guess, you're American

[Anonymous No.20224063]

>>20218322
I hate zoomers so much.

[Anonymous No.20224073]

>>20220634
There is no difference between watching marvel, playing electronic games and tugging your cock and reading Dante

[Anonymous No.20224154]

>>20218313
it's a lot more profound in italian; the poetry is lost in many translations

[Anonymous No.20224300]

>>20218322
back then you paid mice to sing in your ears

[Anonymous No.20224312]

>>20224073
There is no difference between washing your hands and playing basketball
There is no difference between playing the guitar and going to an amusement park
There is no difference between flying a plane and going to see tigers at the zoo
There is no difference between lovingly kissing a child and working as a cashier at a supermarket

[Anonymous No.20224345]

>>20218322
>now if I fuck this model
>and she just bleached her asshole
>and i get bleach on my tshirt
>imma end up in the second circle

[Anonymous No.20224352]

One of the hard redpills I had is that basically all of literature before 1800 is retarded.

[Anonymous No.20224358]

>>20224352
fax

[Anonymous No.20224359]

>>20222388
Imagine being some Italian count that waged war on some other Italian's hometown, and then you die and your only real legacy is that some poet described how you yourself are drowning a river of blood and being shot by the arrows of roving bands of centaurs if you come up for air for the rest of eternity. Then people in the future read this poem and are like "yea he prolly deserves it" lmao. Dante was the epitome of based

[Anonymous No.20224374]

>>20218322
>>20224345
Holy fucking kekt

[Anonymous No.20224400]

>>20223239
He did write some works in Latin, but the Comedy is in Italian

[Anonymous No.20224431]

>>20218313
>physically cringed when I got to the part of the inferno when virgil appears to be dantes
Why?

[Anonymous No.20224518]

>>20223231
He's not a ''fan'', though.
The concept of being a fan is thoroughly post-Liszt.

[Anonymous No.20224934]

>>20223239
you should know. You're italian. Imbecile

[Anonymous No.20225934]

>>20224359
And some of the Dante contemporaries that are in hell are there for things they didn't do or we at least don't have proof they did.

[Anonymous No.20225937]

>>20223231
Self-inserting yourself and your idols is not what fan fiction is.

[Anonymous No.20225944]

>>20223239
It's one of the founding italian texts

[Anonymous No.20226018]

Dante wrote self insert religious fanfiction where he meets all his heroes while his enemies are in hell. And, being the greatest literary figure in western history, he made it one of the greatest pieces ever. That's how great Dante is. Do you think you, oh OP, could write a self insert fanfiction where you chill with Kant and Shakespeare in heaven while seeing your douchebag coworkers at the grocery mart and high school bullies in the pits of hell, and simultaneously make it a foundational text for western civilization? I think not.

[Anonymous No.20226116]

>>20219213
Most cringe post on the board right now, good job.

[Anonymous No.20226123]

>>20222388
Absolutely.

[Anonymous No.20226161]

>>20226018
>Do you think you, oh OP, could write a self insert fanfiction where you chill with Kant and Shakespeare in heaven while seeing your douchebag coworkers at the grocery mart and high school bullies in the pits of hell, and simultaneously make it a foundational text for western civilization?
I could do that easily if I could just bring myself to invest my time into doing so instead of watching porn and shitposting on 4chan all day. Can you imagine how easy it must have been to write a masterpiece if you were literate back in medieval times when there was no internet?

[Anonymous No.20226168]

>>20224352
this is my most recent redpill as well
tough to swallow but it is what is

[Anonymous No.20226260]

>>20218322
>>20218328
The nigger spotted.

[Anonymous No.20226266]

>>20219213

>The fact that it's the nazis here

The Nazi Party ceased to be almost 80 years ago

[Anonymous No.20226376]

he put his tax collector in Hell and all these other wops that no one cares about

[Anonymous No.20226387]

>>20224352
Shakespeare ?

[Anonymous No.20226393]

Nobody should sincerely reply to a bait predicated on a notion of something that happened within the first five pages of a book. Its arrogant convenience is marking us all as easily played fools.

[Anonymous No.20226415]

People just pretend to mike him as a founding myth of Italy. Much like 19th century Germans would have pretended the Nibelungensage is on a level with the Iliad.
Then it got out of hand because all these redditors try to have the upvote opinion and equal popular=good.
Haven't read him btw.

[Anonymous No.20226420]

>>20226168
I can't be bothered anymore. No one here reads. You are all empty.

[Anonymous No.20226431]

>>20226387
Shakespeare was a playwrighter. If you read him instead of watching him you've missed the point.

[Anonymous No.20226446]

>Citizen Kane? Honestly don't see the point. I read the script and it seems nothing special.

[Anonymous No.20227596]

>>20218313
>entire motivation to going on this journey is to talk to Beatrice
>mfw he only ever talked to her twice
Dante was basically an anon from before 4chan was invented.

[Anonymous No.20227653]

>>20226446
this but unironically, also that movie is lame as fuck

[Anonymous No.20228101]

>>20218322
fr fr lmao, deez niggas be striaght up wildin

[Anonymous No.20228125]

>>20218322
Hard kek

[Anonymous No.20228189]

>>20224300
Underrrated

[Anonymous No.20228230]

>>20224300
kek

[Anonymous No.20228236]

>>20224934
arrogant

[Anonymous No.20228243]

>>20226431
Oh hey, it's *this* retarded opinion again

[Anonymous No.20228266]

>>20224073
It depends on the reader. For low-class people, niggers, young children, mentally retarded people, etc., Marvel would be better for them actually.

[Anonymous No.20228295]

>>20226431
>read shakespeare's sonnets
>don't understand them because they weren't acted out
hmmmm