/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.20215184]

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[Anonymous No.20215192]

What are you guys currently or planning on reading?

Going to pace myself from now on, so I’ll be just reading a chapter or two. The chapter I read is Daenerys’s fourth chapter, and by far it’s been the best one from her so far. In the sense we get to learn more about Dothraki and the Dothraki sea worldbuilding. But truth be told, I’m tired of Martin just making them caricature of the Mongols, the city was great since it shows they’re okay with actually building something, instead of being nomadic. Daenerys standing up and hitting Viserys was okay if only I grew tired of Viserys shit at this point. But overall, Daenerys chapters have been hit or miss for me.

[Anonymous No.20215219]

Stop deleting the threads, retard.

[Anonymous No.20215221]

Is this series worth reading?

[Anonymous No.20215257]

Why was the thread deleted? My post was on-topic. You could have just deleted every post but mine. Now I'll have to post it again but it won't be as funny.

[Anonymous No.20215273]

>>20215257
The idiot mod is deleting actual discussions and threads today, it’s not just this thread

[Anonymous No.20215281]

I've nearly finished reading The Day of the Triffids. Please recommend me some more modern post-apocalyptic classics. Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.20215284]

>>20215192
It's pretty good but the character writing is lacking.

[Anonymous No.20215285]

>>20215221
I mean, you could do worse.

[Anonymous No.20215312]

>>20215192
Finished rereading PKDs first short story collection, then hopped over to Doctor Who Timewyrm: Exodus and now : Revelation. I will likely read a few more DW stories while the fire is within me.

[Anonymous No.20215325]

>>20215257
Jannie's having a melty. You ban the /pol/tards, you don't delete perfectly valid general threads that were made after the last one hit the bump limit. If this fag's a regular here, he's one of the Bakker/weebnovelfags as those posts were never deleted and derailed every thread for over a year.

[Anonymous No.20215329]

All of the deleted /lit/ threads, not just /sffg/ can be viewed here:
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[Anonymous No.20215354]

>>20215184
Why was the other thread killed? Duplicate?

[Anonymous No.20215360]

>>20215281
Swan Song
The Stand
The Road
Alas Babylon
Earth Abides
Lucifer's Hammer
I Am Legend
These are the ones I could think of off the top of my head. How was Trifids? I actually haven't read it yet.

[Anonymous No.20215371]

Bakkerchad book club in Quebec coming soon, only hunks will be accepted as members, twinks can be guests but they will have to sit on the floor near hunk feet, their opinions will be discarded but they can hang out to entertain hunk Bakkerchads.

[Anonymous No.20215469]

rec me some books where the antagonist is an incompetent who takes his job very seriously and receives no compensation for it

[Anonymous No.20215473]

>Aching God
>Every female character is a Mary Sue turbo badass genius
>Names are some of the worst ive ever seen in a fantasy book
I would have dropped this shit long ago if it weren't for the horror fantasy aspect

[Anonymous No.20215474]

>>20215469
Lyonesse

[Anonymous No.20215485]

Has someone asked GRRM whether Jon Snow's parents have been mentioned in the series?

[Anonymous No.20215489]

>>20215221
Yes
I read the series in march and I think it's absolutely worth reading
You may balk at the number of pages but trust me, the writing is very simple and the pages go by very quickly

[Anonymous No.20215496]

>>20215485
I honestly think it's just gonna be R + L = J. I know there are other options, but I don't think he plans to subvert that.

[Anonymous No.20215504]

>>20215221
Yes, absolutely. They're really good and very engaging

[Anonymous No.20215549]

>>20215184
Any fantasy stories featuring big and wondrous cities?

[Anonymous No.20215605]

Do we know how the Fantasy and Science-Fiction market evolved? Is it getting more popular or stagnating in volume of sales but also quality in content? Are the consumers of Fantasy and Science-Fiction in novel form dying out? Are the younger generations just buying more stimulating content like videogames and movies? Does that mean the audiobook the future for novels?

[Anonymous No.20215620]

>>20215605
Books in general are dying out. Webnovels and self publishing is the future of prose fiction.

[Anonymous No.20215635]

>>20215549
Bastion!

[Anonymous No.20215640]

>>20215620
How entirely delusional.

[Anonymous No.20216045]

>>20215192
Currently on chapter 6 of Mistborn 3: The Hero of the Ages. This series took a deep dive during the final arc of the first book; there are way to many asspulls and the 2 protagonists are too immature for my taste. I'm gonna finish it because I read it aloud for my gf.

[Anonymous No.20216087]

>>20216045
Vin is cute!

[Anonymous No.20216121]

>>20215192
Currently still reading the Kane collection Night Winds and the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser collection the Three of Swords.

[Anonymous No.20216130]

>>20215192
1/4 of the way through Birthgrave and I'm enjoying it more than I was initially. I hope the protagonist does ruin everything for everybody again :^)

[Anonymous No.20216216]

>>20216121
>Currently still reading the Kane collection Night Winds
Are you reading a sentence a day? What the fuck.

[Anonymous No.20216252]

>>20216130
>I hope the protagonist does ruin everything for everybody again
Can't think of any book from the author where that doesn't happen. Personally, I both hate and enjoy that sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.20216295]

>>20215489
>>20215504
Really? I drug myself through season 1 and felt like my humanity had been insulted. I've come to immediately associate the series with rebbit

[Anonymous No.20216304]

>>20216295
Season 1?
If you mean you watched the tv adaptation than yeah, it's not great
There's way too much sex and nudity in the tv series

[Anonymous No.20216370]

>>20216304
Fuck off nigger, S1 is the most true to the shitty books.

[Anonymous No.20216374]

>>20216370
Yes I know but it's inferior due to it being essentially pornography

[Anonymous No.20216377]

>>20216370
The other anon here. Only watched season one and agree entirely with his description. I did hear that it only got worse with time.

IMO the story ended when they killed sean beam. And it was a bad ending. The continuity from that point in the story was tenuous at best, and the plot seemed to lose focus except for dragon skank feminism powertripping archetype.

[Anonymous No.20216391]

[Anonymous No.20216534]

Just finished Canticle and am considering starting his follow up. Is "Saint Leibowitz and the Wild Horse Woman" any good? Are there any good biographies to Miller's name?

[Anonymous No.20216544]

Any books about humans being the most racist organisms on the entire galaxy?

[Anonymous No.20216566]

Ive just finishing reading Malice by John Gwynne, thanks to the anon that recommended it a few threads back. I highly recommend it for anyone thats looking for non-woke old fashioned high fantasy with morally flawed characters. Dont let the generic cover put you off.

[Anonymous No.20216573]

Any Wolfe fans read Home Fires?

[Anonymous No.20216669]

>>20215184
https://voca.ro/17rZkFI7S3Cm

[Anonymous No.20216683]

>epic fantasy

[Anonymous No.20216696]

Is Patrick Rothfuss dead?

[Anonymous No.20216759]

>>20216391
Disregard Reverend Insanity, not worth reading more than jsut the first arc for the feel of it, otherwise trash.

Instead, read The Wanderin Inn, the Chad among webnovels

[Anonymous No.20216837]

Do writers think it's funny to have a retard character trying to save or heal the enemy who hunted them for months and made them live in misery?

[Anonymous No.20216865]

I read Guardians of the Flame in high school (around 20 years ago). I decided to re-read this year. First 4 books are good, they are pretty mindless but still fun. Book 5 is meh and Book 6 is absolute garbage. I've just started 7 and it seems to be just as bad as 6, the only saving grace is that it's very short. Anyone else read this series? Are the 'Not' books that come after book 7 any good? I realise there is no conclusion as the author died but I'm already prepared for that.

[Anonymous No.20216943]

>>20216696
yep

[Anonymous No.20216969]

>>20215371
can you have a meet or two in toronto?

[Anonymous No.20216974]

Any good fantasy novels with femboys?

[Anonymous No.20216991]

Looking for a new series. Is Malazan Book of the Fallen worth reading? What about the Expanse series?

[Anonymous No.20217012]

>>20216991
No to the former. I liked the first book of Expanse, and the second is readable, but it takes a double backflip dive off a cliff in terms of quality beyond that.

[Anonymous No.20217027]

>>20217012
Interesting. I had heard both were good. Any other series suggestions then?

[Anonymous No.20217029]

>>20216991
> Is Malazan Book of the Fallen worth reading?
Definitely no. Instead, read The Faithful and the Fallen by John Gwynne.

[Anonymous No.20217033]

>>20217027
Can't really give recommendations if you don't tell us what you like.

[Anonymous No.20217098]

>>20217033
Currently trying Mistborn, which is utter garbage.

Just finished the Wizard-Knight, and really enjoyed it. Wolfe is an easy favorite. Before that I read Bakker. Also enjoyed that.

I'm not super picky as long as the writing and premise are good. I do actually have a particular penchant for horror.

[Anonymous No.20217103]

>>20217098
You might like the Chalion series by Lois Mcmaster Bujold. A bit of a palate cleanser after all that edge.

[Anonymous No.20217120]

>>20216696
We can only hope.

[Anonymous No.20217285]

>>20217029
Got an elevator pitch for it?

>>20217103
I thought Wizard-Knight was a good cleanser. Nice and simple. Similar feel for your suggestion?


Also, thanks to you both for giving suggestions.

[Anonymous No.20217294]

>>20217285
>I thought Wizard-Knight was a good cleanser. Nice and simple. Similar feel for your suggestion?
Chalion is a classic fantasy. No world ending stakes, no wars, no ancient evils. Each of the three books in the trilogy is a stand alone, and all of them are smaller scale, more personal stories.

[Anonymous No.20217298]

>>20217294
That sounds comfy. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.20217391]

its time for a science fantasy revival

[Anonymous No.20217420]

>>20215192
I'm trying to read a short story every day, currently alternating between Dick and CL Moore. Also still going through Garrett, nearly done with Faded Steel Heat.

[Anonymous No.20217606]

>>20216045
I'd at least recommend Alloy of Law afterwards, it shows a decent leap in writing ability and making characters actually characters for Sanderson. In era 1 Mistborn, there's basically only 4 characters who're anything more than one-note (Vin, Kelsier, TenSoon and Sazed) whereas the cast as a whole of era 2 feels a bit more solid.

[Anonymous No.20217619]

does wolfe read dictionaries for fun or something?

[Anonymous No.20217623]

oh he is dead

[Anonymous No.20217633]

>>20215473
>Every female character is a Mary Sue turbo badass genius
No they aren't. One is a dumb priest who got her leg amputated for being a retard like 30 pages into the book, and the other two are just random Syraeic League members. The Iconoclasts trilogy doesn't have woke elements. You're just looking for reasons to be triggered.

[Anonymous No.20217644]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.20217658]

I have no idea what I'm reading, but the geisha with edible feces is based.

[Anonymous No.20217743]

>>20215192
Currently reading Micro by Michael Crichton. High-concept techno-trillers are a not so guilty pleasure of mine.
Also reading the Darkness that Comes before because of the memes, but it's good anyway

[Anonymous No.20217746]

>>20216566
Nice. I have this on me to-read pile. I wonder if the quality is consistent for the rest of the series.

[Anonymous No.20217758]

>>20216045
>>20216087
>>20217606
Holy mother of cringe anime, going through pages full of cheese like pic related is proving too difficult bros.

[Anonymous No.20217775]

>>20217758
Yeah, he leans a little too into that aspect during some of the later Vin fights. It's why I prefer the action scenes of era 2, because they're more pulp-y shootouts.

[Anonymous No.20217832]

>>20217391
It's so weird how unpopular science fantasy seems to be when something like Star Wars is so fucking massive.

[Anonymous No.20217855]

>>20217391
>>20217832
Any good sword-and-planet, sword-and-sandal; or planetary romance recommendations?

[Anonymous No.20217862]

>>20217758
Man, I just started Mistborn, and I cannot enjoy it. If the quality of writing is that bad of a plateau, I think I'm going to drop it.

[Anonymous No.20217868]

>>20217832
I think it's suspension of disbelief, in a way. Authors and audiences expect sci-fi settings to explain the magic, so it's not really magic as much as tech. Even Star Wars has this problem, to a lesser degree.

[Anonymous No.20217883]

>>20217862
Don't know what to tell you anon; I'm finding the first 75% of the first book the most enjoyable so far, currently at the first 15% of the third book; and is all a clusterfuck of teenage drama, anime fights and logistical non-sense.

[Anonymous No.20217910]

>>20217862
Never read Sandersoy. How bad can his writing quality be? The worst non-meme author I've encountered is John Steakly. I don't think that guy finished elementary school.

[Anonymous No.20217952]

>>20217910
The original Mistborn trilogy and The Way of Kings were legitimately alright. Sanderson could be a great author if he wanted to, but he's more interested in trying to min-max effort / wealth extraction and secure movie deals. Which are probably contradictory goals now that I think about it. If he wanted to do that he should have spent another few years cranking out quality and then soft pitch a couple of books to NPR and the Times like Gaiman did.

[Anonymous No.20217985]

>>20217952
He still CAN write good, tightly-paced stories with minimal links to other stuff (see Emperor's Soul) but he's more interested in everything being connected to everything, so every book is like 60% set-up into a climax that's yet more set-up.

[Anonymous No.20218331]

>>20217832
>it's weird how unpopular science fantasy seems when <popular science fantasy> is so massive
You've already got Star Wars and Iron Man. That's all the science fantasy GAE is comfortable promoting. Maybe le Guin if you only read The Left Hand of Darkness in excerpt as part of a university course on pizza theory.

[Anonymous No.20218361]

>>20216759
Wandering inn is ok but Reverend Insanity is just so much better.

[Anonymous No.20218404]

Any opinions on this book ? If you dont have any thoughts don't respond pls. I won't ask about it again.

[Anonymous No.20218436]

>>20218404
An epic tale of medieval horror.

[Anonymous No.20218438]

I've been trying to read again after falling off for years. Anything that tickles the ape part of my brain that goes "ohh cool magic system" like pic related? Quality doesnt matter I just need a fix.

[Anonymous No.20218453]

>>20218404
Nice loli in sexual situations, interesting horror approach to medieval fantasy, great ending.

[Anonymous No.20218457]

>>20218453
>Nice loli in sexual situations,
Go on...

[Anonymous No.20218501]

>>20218457
Little defenseless orphan girl in a lawless world, possessed main character with a big pp.

[Anonymous No.20218621]

>>20218501
Go on...

[Anonymous No.20218630]

>>20218438
Lords of Dyscrasia

[Anonymous No.20218638]

>>20217855
Swords Against the Moon Men

[Anonymous No.20218645]

>>20218438
library at mount char

[Anonymous No.20218682]

>>20217883
I honestly feel that way reading book 1. Just so much unbelievable edge on all the characters, and they all feel like cardboard representations of people.

>>20217910
I didn't want to believe the memes, and I thought he did an alright job with the closure to WoT--maybe as good as someone can do in a situation that shitty--so I gave him a try. I read YA books as a kid with more depth to them. Somehow he even makes magic bland and uninteresting.

[Anonymous No.20218692]

>>20216573
*Home Fries

[Anonymous No.20218715]

>>20218438
>Anything that tickles the ape part of my brain that goes "ohh cool magic system"
The Manifest Delusions series by Michael R. Fletcher has a sanity-based magic system. Insanity is power, belief shapes reality. The first two books are great. Third one is good until the last chapter, where everything just goes off the rails completely and there's no conceivable way to return to the plot of the original books without pretending the third one never happened.

[Anonymous No.20218751]

>>20218682
>they all feel like cardboard representations of people
>Somehow he even makes magic bland and uninteresting
This, I hate how the only price for having incredible powers is just to be a little bit sad. I hate how self-centered his protagonists are in their suffering, there were tons of others who had shittier situations; unlike Vin, there were skaa girls who had nothing or no one and that were also raped and abused daily for much longer than her; unlike Kaladin, there were veterans who not just lost their men, but also a fucking leg and could never leave slavery. Sanderson stories are truly for teenagers; the characters are just one-dimensional caricatures.

[Anonymous No.20218890]

>>20215192
Finally - FINALLY - going to finish this series off. 3/4 of the way through the last book now. After that I don't know. Something short and sweet. How's Powder Mage? I want something easy to chew through before I get started on The Expanse.

[Anonymous No.20218913]

>>20218890
is it good? I've heard both extremes, from it being the best of the best; to it being shitty and all over the place.

[Anonymous No.20219190]

>>20218890
I liked Powder Mage.

[Anonymous No.20219198]

>>20218890
Good luck. You'll be reading the other books in the Malazan universe before you know it. And eventually there's the reread.

[Anonymous No.20219206]

>>20218692
It's a weird scifi thriller. There's a war vs aliens with relativistic interstellar travel, and brain scans that can copy a person's mind onto another. But it serves as a backdrop, you don't see the former, it takes place on earth. Still, a neat setting. It's the first Wolfe novel I've read that isn't written as if the protagonist is writing the text himself.

[Anonymous No.20219211]

Thoughts on this list
https://www.fantasybookreview.co.uk/top-100-fantasy-books/

[Anonymous No.20219237]

>>20219211
It sure is a list. Are these in order, or just kind of "the best 100 in no specific order"? Because Discworld being #2 feels right, even if I dunno if ASOIAF fits at #1.

[Anonymous No.20219245]

>>20219190
Powder Mage is so bad it makes Sandershit look good.

[Anonymous No.20219251]

>>20219211
>100 items
i'm not reading all that shit
post ending in 7 decides what i read instead

[Anonymous No.20219266]

>>20219211
Looking at the top 20, it's just a grab-bag of the most well known series with the usual order shuffled around slightly to give the illusion of originality, and spiced with some modern diversity stuff.

[Anonymous No.20219272]

>>20218913
It's a tough examination of all the crimes and cruelties of civilization, disguised as random fantasy sallad. Or grimdark but with genuine emotional responses instead of just stoicism. But also a huge dose of Fry & Laurie and mind boggling fantasy battles. The styles and vibes are all over the place, making it hard for a lot of people to stay engaged.

[Anonymous No.20219275]

>>20219251
read darkness that comes before

[Anonymous No.20219279]

>>20219251

[Anonymous No.20219318]

>>20219211
Totally random. Like they just polled a bunch of forum goers and said more upboats = better

[Anonymous No.20219336]

>>20215469
I wonder who you could be talking about??

[Anonymous No.20219360]

Are there any novels about a guy running an alchemist shop? Just started playing this game called potion craft and it's cosy as heck, frens. It would be neat if there were some comfy novel about a dude just mixing potions, gathering mushrooms and herbs, talking to townsfolk, maybe getting involved in some large conflict by making powerful potions for some heros or villians.
Damn, am I gonna have to write it myself?

[Anonymous No.20219374]

>>20219360
Not quite what you're asking for, but you'll probably enjoy Bazaar of the Bizarre by Fritz Leiber.

[Anonymous No.20219375]

>>20219360
Probably exists out there. Just search for "alchemist" or "potion shop" or some shit.

[Anonymous No.20219378]

>>20219251

[Anonymous No.20219608]

>>20217606
The opposite of this

[Anonymous No.20219615]

>>20219198
>Implying I'd drag myself through this endurance test a second time.
They're good books and worth the time but holy fuck they're long in the tooth.

>>20218913
Filled with shit you're simply not going to follow, but boasting enough decent characters and story threads to keep you invested. Erikson loves the color ochre.

[Anonymous No.20219635]

>>20216865
No. As you say it starts good and is worth reading, but when it fizzles out, it's gone.

[Anonymous No.20219652]

>>20218890
>Powder Mage
mediocre

[Anonymous No.20219659]

>>20215192
Just finished Mort.
Out of the five Discworld books ive read so far i think this might be my favorite.
And I really liked Guards! Guards!
Not sure if i move on to the copy of Good Omens i got last Christmas, go out and get another Discworld, or return to some science fiction. Theres Ubik, When Gravity Fails, and Random Acts of Senseless Violence waiting on my shelves.
Or i say fuck all that and return to The Grapes of Wrath

[Anonymous No.20219664]

>>20219211
>8. The Fifth Season by NK Jemisin
wut

[Anonymous No.20219675]

>>20219659
Wait until you get to Reaper Man

[Anonymous No.20219686]

>>20219675
Oh i know for sure i will make the time to read the rest of the Death books.
And the watch.
The witches i wasn't too crazy about

[Anonymous No.20219690]

>>20217855
Jack Vance's works
Planet of adventure
Emphyrio
Cadwal chronicles
Demon Princes

Grrm works
Dying of the light
Windhaven
Tuf Voyaging

[Anonymous No.20219710]

>>20216370
>Fuck off nigger, S1 is the most true to the shitty books.
just because it's the closest doesn't mean it's good. The books are great

[Anonymous No.20219770]

>>20216295
Why are you even asking if you hate the show? Did you just want an excuse to shit on something popular?

[Anonymous No.20219855]

>>20219211
This list feels like it was assembled by an algorithm then scrambled by a totally different algorithm.

[Anonymous No.20219877]

>>20219279
I saw a bunch of these John Norman Gor novels when I was last at the used bookstore, and they seemed sort of interesting. Anybody read them confirm the sort of content they have? Anything saucy? Or is it more derring-do type adventure?

[Anonymous No.20219880]

>>20218890
>After that I don't know. Something short and sweet.
I had the same urge after finishing Malazan. The last two books in particular were exhausting.

[Anonymous No.20219889]

>>20219615
>Erikson loves the color ochre.
That word echoed in my head every time he talked about Seven Cities.

[Anonymous No.20219936]

>>20219686
I find the witches hit and miss and mostly because of Magrat. She's just so boring. Weatherwax and Nanny Ogg are great, but Magrat's just not very interesting.

[Anonymous No.20220064]

>>20218890
If you liked Malazan try reading the Black company.
You'll see where Erikson stole a lot of his ideas from.

[Anonymous No.20220118]

>>20218890
I cleansed with Wizard-Knight recently. Two fun books that are very light.

[Anonymous No.20220148]

>>20219877
I read the first one, apparently they don't get saucy until book 7 or so, which I'll read eventually, but they're not pornographic. In book 1 it's understated. He abducts the daughter of a rival warlord as part of a mission for his home city, and she's very feisty because she's highborn. She expects him to enslave her and she mocks him for not doing it, of course he's from earth so he doesn't believe in that stuff. There's some nice scenes from the tension arising from that, like in one part where she dances for him. Eventually she falls in love with him and becomes his wife.

[Anonymous No.20220186]

>>20215192
Just started The Employees by Olga Ravn. It feels like flash fiction, but not in a terrible way.

[Anonymous No.20220198]

>>20215281
A Canticle for Liebowitz is criminally under appreciated and top notch. The Slynx is also pretty good post apoc.

[Anonymous No.20220203]

>>20218890
I take it the series is a chore and not that good if you are already thinking about what you will read next.

[Anonymous No.20220205]

Started this book after seeing it here and honestly its chill and kept me wanting to come back to it, more than fast based action books, maybe cause I don't care about fights in books, I feel like action is better on a screen.

[Anonymous No.20220210]

>>20215281
The Postman
Earth Abides
Canticle for Leibowitz

[Anonymous No.20220767]

>>20220205
>t. imaginationlet
That book looks comfy though.

[Anonymous No.20220784]

>>20215192
Making my way through original Conan. Just finished Queen of the Black Coast. Is Howard the manliest writer of all time? His prose drips testosterone.

[Anonymous No.20220795]

>>20220767
>imaginationlet
Honestly sometimes I have good imagination and sometimes I can't imagine shit, depends on my immersion and my mood.

The book is comfy so far, it reminds me of a Hobbit returning home after an adventure, and having a comfy life.

[Anonymous No.20220813]

>>20220784
>Is Howard the manliest writer
He is one of the manliest in my opinion, nothing gets my testosterone flowing like Conan the barbarian.

[Anonymous No.20220862]

>>20215192
I bought the first Wheel of Time book, gonna give it a shot and see if I like it. First chapter has a shitload of names listed of people that I don't know whether or not I should give a shit about so not a great start.
I really want to pick up a good western and/or mystery series though, I was looking at the Longmire books since I love the show.

[Anonymous No.20220877]

For any anons writing a fantasy story, did you draw or write out a map of your world? How did you go about it?

[Anonymous No.20220889]

>>20220877
>How did you go about it?
By asking the writing general. >>20213134

[Anonymous No.20220892]

>>20220889
I figure some anons hang out here too which is why I asked, it's not like it's an irrelevant question

[Anonymous No.20220906]

>>20215192
>What are you guys currently or planning on reading?
pic rel and the next two books in the series, desu

[Anonymous No.20220960]

Are there any well-written novels with anti-hero protagonists?

[Anonymous No.20220971]

>>20220960
Prince of Nothing by King Bakker.

[Anonymous No.20220978]

>>20220971
Unironically this, Prince of Nothing is the most well-written anti-hero novels, its very complex and deep.

[Anonymous No.20220986]

>>20218404
author is a leftist loony.

[Anonymous No.20221002]

>>20217832
Fairly science-fantasy from the last few decades: BOTNS, Warhammer 40k, Vampire Hunter D. It's quite the complex genre so I'm not surprised it has flown under the radar in recent years even in the sff community.

Speaking of which I'm actually have a science-fantasy novel series planned influenced by BOTNS, Dying Earth, 40k, some Anime (not specific) and Dark souls to a degree.

[Anonymous No.20221009]

Based

[Anonymous No.20221010]

>>20220986
>not liking trump = leftist loony
meds.

[Anonymous No.20221019]

>>20217832
Fairly science-fantasy from the last few decades: BOTNS, Warhammer 40k, Vampire Hunter D. It's quite the complex genre so I'm not surprised it has flown under the radar in recent years even in the sff community.

Speaking of which I actually have a science-fantasy novel series planned influenced by BOTNS, Dying Earth, 40k, some Anime (not specific) and Dark souls to a degree.

>>20218331
Iron Man is not science-fantasy in any shape or form.

[Anonymous No.20221065]

>>20215312
I've always been curious about the Dan Abnett Dr Who novel.

He also did an Avengers novel, kinda curious about that.

[Anonymous No.20221163]

>>20221019
Whats it looking like anon? I'm also planning out my BOTNS, Dying Earth, 40k, some Anime (not specific) and Dark souls inspired series too.

Mines about broad political concept and also has robots fighting in a plastic desert.

[Anonymous No.20221183]

>>20216216
Kek, some nights I only get a chapter in so it’s practically that. It’s my “fun reading” I have with a glass of milk before I head to bed, so I usually don’t have much time for it.

[Anonymous No.20221309]

The prose of Bakker is prime
The best since the dawn of time
Sandersoy writes to earn a dime
To compare the two is a crime

[Anonymous No.20221332]

>>20220205
Is the MC a lesbian?
This WILL decide whether or not I purchase this book.

[Anonymous No.20221344]

>>20216837
I think it's kino, maybe they do too?

[Anonymous No.20221432]

>>20216865
>Rosenberg

[Anonymous No.20221438]

>>20216865
What do you mean by "mindless"

[Anonymous No.20221441]

>>20221332
yes

[Anonymous No.20221456]

>>20221441
>tall Orc musclegirl
>Make her a lesbian
Every fucking time.

[Anonymous No.20221481]

>>20215549
Viriconium
>>20221009
I've been reading these, the Prism Pentad, they're pretty fun. The writing can be clunky af and the characters are trying hard to be different in really superficial ways, but the magic and adventure is pretty top notch. Just finished book 3.

[Anonymous No.20221485]

>>20215549
I just read a collection called Cities of Wonder by Damon Knight, might be up your alley, the last story more than the other.

[Anonymous No.20221499]

>>20221456
>lesbian fantasy book
>it's a butch or something equally hideous like an orc
every fucking time

[Anonymous No.20221591]

>>20221441
trash

[Anonymous No.20221948]

>guy planning to rob some clothes
>20 pages of explanation
I liked locke lamora 1 but this was too much bullshit to digest.

[Anonymous No.20221972]

caught up on cradle, i like the way things are progressing. it's not perfect but i still find myself looking forward to the next volume.

[Anonymous No.20222067]

>>20221972
Cradle lost its soul when the MC got stronger
I don't like the female sidekick too

[Anonymous No.20222087]

>>20222067
i thought that would happen but they handled it well imo.
the side characters are great. yerin might be a bit one dimensional but she's really likeable.

[Anonymous No.20222125]

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1649022017188.webm

[Anonymous No.20222165]

>>20221332
Mate, it's a barista story featuring female characters. What do YOU think?

[Anonymous No.20222177]

>>20222125
wut

[Anonymous No.20222191]

>>20221481
I wish the Pentad didn't completely fuck up the setting, though. Who thought killing off most Sorcerer-Kings was a good idea?

[Anonymous No.20222504]

>>20215549
Perdido Street Station by China Mieville
Thunderer by Felix Gilman

[Anonymous No.20222509]

Looking for good cyberpunk that isn't Snow Crash, Altered Carbon or Neuromancer.
Please respond I promise I'll read it

[Anonymous No.20222515]

>>20219211
drivel.

[Anonymous No.20222532]

>>20221163
>>20221019
Based. Glad I'm not the only one working on a BOTNS, Dying Earth, 40k, some Anime (not specific) and Dark souls inspired series. Good luck to both you guys!

[Anonymous No.20222611]

>>20221309
This poem was sublime.

[Anonymous No.20222623]

>>20222509
Burning Chrome is alright. I liked it better than niggermancer.

[Anonymous No.20222628]

>>20218890
Is the story consistent? I've read it changes every three or so books.

[Anonymous No.20222637]

>>20222628
>Three books
The primary cast changes EVERY book. The fifth book changes to a completely new setting almost entirely disconnected from the original.

[Anonymous No.20222646]

>>20219877
The first 2 books are the only interesting ones.

[Anonymous No.20222673]

>>20222509
Virtual Light, Diamond Age, Islands in the Net, Thin Air. When Gravity Fails, Random Acts of Senseless Violence, Dervish is Digital, Schismatrix

[Anonymous No.20222807]

This book was a surprisingly comfy read.
Short read too compared to my regular sf books.
Is there anything similar?

[Anonymous No.20222838]

>>20222628
Threads span the series, but each book is a story in its own right.

[Anonymous No.20222879]

>>20222807
fifth head of cerberus

[Anonymous No.20222882]

Is it normal to think Bakker's naming of people and places are terrible?

[Anonymous No.20222900]

>>20222882
Yes but that's a genre wide issue

[Anonymous No.20222911]

>>20222882
Is he the gay dude that writes vampire stuff?

[Anonymous No.20223065]

wait wtf gene wolfe has other books?
i have only read BOTNS & UOTNS
where to start?

[Anonymous No.20223076]

>>20223065
fifth head of cerberus

[Anonymous No.20223081]

>>20223065
Can you imagine, an author writing only two or three books and then fucking off forever?
Me neither

[Anonymous No.20223095]

>>20223081
for some reason i thought he was mostly a short story writer and that he had a few anthologies
BOTNS is basically just a collection of short stories with the events of sevarian's life as a frame story

[Anonymous No.20223165]

>>20222191
As of book 3 they've only offed one sorceror king which isn't so bad. I see it more as a guided tour of the world tho, to show you how where you might want to send your party, what the consequences for actions like killing a sorceror king would be, etc.
There's nothing that says Prism Pentad has to be canon at all in your setting.

[Anonymous No.20223171]

>>20222509
Stars My Destination, Diamond Age, Accelerando, Babel 17 sorta

[Anonymous No.20223176]

>>20223081
James Joyce only wrote 4 books

[Anonymous No.20223193]

What are some super cheap books
with 400+ pages, that you can recommend,,?

[Anonymous No.20223203]

>>20219251

[Anonymous No.20223297]

>>20223081
Canticle for Leibowitz guy

[Anonymous No.20223310]

>>20223193
book of the new sun

[Anonymous No.20223325]

>>20223193
Get an ebook reader. Everything is cheap if you want to pay. You'll still come off as a tryhard retard by reading on one in public.

[Anonymous No.20223328]

>>20223193
Any ebook on zlibrary

[Anonymous No.20223334]

I'm 7% into The Wizard Knight (right after Disiri). I like how competent it is in terms of prose and structure and implication, but the story hasn't hooked me yet. Does it stay standard fantasy fare or is there a tweest? How is Book of the New Sun in comparison?

[Anonymous No.20223350]

>>20223334
Pacing's even worse in Shadow of the Torturer, and literally half the novel is about Severian simping for some ugly roastie who's tricking him so her brother can kill him in a duel and they can loot his corpse legally.

[Anonymous No.20223353]

>>20223334
It is not standard fantasy fare and there is no twist.

[Anonymous No.20223394]

>>20223065
Long sun fucking sucks tho

[Anonymous No.20223396]

>>20223350
I don't mind the pacing, it's just the content that doesn't do much for me. I like Eganesque hard sci-fi, worldbuilding that goes crunch, and literary fiction, for reference.

>>20223353
"Standard fantasy fare" may not be the right term, I don't read a lot of fantasy. But it feels pretty Sword in the Stone and I've of course noticed the Norse mythology.
It's good to know that it's what it looks like. I may stick with it, I'm definitely getting something out of it. I've already highlighted sentences I liked.

[Anonymous No.20223444]

>>20223310
I said super cheap , not 20 $.
>>20223325
I want paper versions, it needs to have soul
>>20223328
Gay

[Anonymous No.20223465]

>>20223444
The soul is in the words, not in the paper. You know that, right?

[Anonymous No.20223559]

>>20223465
Fuck off. If something's free it instantly feels worthless

[Anonymous No.20223602]

>>20223559
You want something that isn’t worthless, but cheap at the same time? Why wouldn’t you pay $20 for BOTNS if it’s something tangible that you value? You might as well just print the ebook on printer paper at that point.

[Anonymous No.20223627]

>>20219251
Bastion

[Anonymous No.20223631]

>>20223627
finally
who wrote it

[Anonymous No.20223634]

>>20223631
Phil Tucker, he's written literally nothing else.

[Anonymous No.20223647]

>>20223602
If it doesn't cost 1 $ at least then it feels worthless to me. And i won't buy some e reader , I'm not used to that.

What's the legal status of zlibrary ? Is it completely legal or is it like pirate bay ?

[Anonymous No.20223655]

>>20223647
is this your first day on the internet

[Anonymous No.20223691]

>>20223444
Maybe you should get a different hobby if you feel you need to force yourself to read by being 'invested' in books. Or like...a job if $20 is a lot of money.

[Anonymous No.20223697]

>>20223647
>If it doesn't cost 1 $ at least then it feels worthless to me.
I understand the feeling, but that's an unhealthy attitude. It's worth getting rid of. Try to divorce the pleasure of buying from the pleasure of experience, or better yet, destroy it.
>And i won't buy some e reader , I'm not used to that.
It's easy to get used to and incredibly convenient. Maybe you can find an electronics store to try one before committing to it?
>What's the legal status of zlibrary ? Is it completely legal or is it like pirate bay ?
100% illegal, obviously.
Unlike with torrenting your ISP can't tell what you download, so it's not particularly risky.

[Anonymous No.20223714]

>>20223334
Wolfes plots are pretty weak in general. You read if weird puzzles are your jam.

[Anonymous No.20223715]

Pleb question but does botns pick up? I finished shadow of the torturer and enjoyed it (especially the prose) but it seemed to go nowhere. I the opening chapters were good but the rest of the novel seemed to just be severian wandering around with no goal. Do things improve?

[Anonymous No.20223739]

>>20223559
>feels
nice argument, retard

[Anonymous No.20223743]

>>20223715
It doesn't become a different novel. You either like it on a sentence to sentence level or you don't.

[Anonymous No.20223764]

>>20223714
I do like those, though it seems subdued so far. I'll wait it out a while longer to see if it gets puzzling enough.
Does it make sense to compare it to Pale Fire (specifically the things Boyd writes about) or is that completely off the mark?

[Anonymous No.20223769]

>>20223764
I've never read Pale Fire but Wolfe has stated Nabakov is one of his all time favorite authors, alongside Borges.

[Anonymous No.20223777]

>>20217985
>He still CAN write good, tightly-paced stories with minimal links to other stuff (see Emperor's Soul)
>released in 2012

[Anonymous No.20223785]

Gonna read this next. Fully expecting woke shit from highly rated self-published books.

[Anonymous No.20223849]

>>20223715
He continues to wander but the action heats up more and more until he gets to the front lines of the war against the Ascians

[Anonymous No.20223869]

>>20215192
I'm about to start Horace Walpole's "The Castle of Otranto", a piece of Gothic fiction with ghosts and ghouls and castles and such (presumably). I'm also reading the Bible (Douay-Rheims Challoner, of course) but that's non-fiction so not relevant to this thread ;^)
Then I'm going to binge on all the Michael Crichton novels I never read as a kid in school because they didn't have dinosaurs in them.

[Anonymous No.20223871]

>>20223777
Oh that's that old? Huh. I thought that was a more "last five years" thing.

[Anonymous No.20223885]

>>20223065
read Wizard Knight

>>20223203
Do NOT read this, it starts off interesting and then utterly collapses for the next 2000 pages, it is so not worth it

>>20220205
>>20221456
>>20221441
>>20221332
>orc musclegirl
>not amazon mating pressing smol human femboys
I will now avoid your book

[Anonymous No.20223908]

how bussin is malazan? like, there are 7,384 pages, i want to know if its worth my time

[Anonymous No.20223915]

>>20220906
I recommend reading the series in pairs, they go better thematically that way, imo

[Anonymous No.20223921]

>>20223081
Barry Hughart

[Anonymous No.20223926]

>>20223908
the plot is really spread out chronologically
reading the book of malazon isn't like reading most other fantasy series because every trilogy (or alternatively sized saga) switches settings and eras by thousands of miles and years
like say the first trilogy in the series is, by analogy, a story about ancient Rome; the next set of books is a story about Manchu dynastry China, and then the next set of books is about Olmecs
that's not literally what's being done but it gives a sense of the POV shifts between series

[Anonymous No.20223933]

>>20223081
Jesus only wrote one book.

[Anonymous No.20223934]

>>20216391
Is there still nothing that can compare to RI in the genre? How is it possible for a billion chinks to only have ONE good webnovel?

[Anonymous No.20223937]

>>20223933
The Son didn't write the Bible, the Holy Spirit did
non-trinitarians baka

[Anonymous No.20223998]

Just finished this thing, after reading about how much people online seem to hate it
Wasnt half bad, way overhated, Im assuming because the author is right-wing and/or comes off as egotistical in interviews
People kept talking about this book and sexual assault/rapes in it like it took pleasure in going into extended chapter long descriptions of it, taking pleasure of it
Turned out most of those times its just the basic reality that women do get brutalized and abused during and after wars/battles, doesnt shy away from it and doesnt treat it ever like a good thing or go into details about it, unlike other books that like to pretend this shit doesnt happen to women
Sure the main heroine gets assaulted, however both times she fights back on her own without having to have the hero or another man save her
The only time the story actually goes into detail about sexual assault is when the protagonist is tortured and raped, in such a brutal way that his mind and body are broken so far that he becomes a willing and eager slave to the villain and his torturer, doing whatever they want, but even this part of wasnt bad as it served a purpose in the story

[Anonymous No.20224014]

>>20223998
>spoiler
Sounds like a Carol Berg book

[Vampire Knight !!hJ13rQaey8f No.20224044]

>>20223634
based. writers should only write one thing and then call it a day imo

[Anonymous No.20224074]

>>20223998
>the authorial self-insert political mouthpiece gets gay buttfucked
lmaoooooo so glad I took this off my reading list

[Anonymous No.20224083]

>>20215635
Hello anon, I went and read Bastion after seeing your post. I liked it. Thank you for your recommendation.

[Anonymous No.20224091]

>>20224074
>gets gay buttfucked
Never said anything about the torturer being male, nor about him getting it in the ass
Are you okay anon?
Do you often think of gay men buttfucking you?

[Anonymous No.20224101]

>>20223908
Not really for the first 1000 pages, but then you start unlocking the philosophical underpinnings and figuring out how it's supposed to be read. And then you can have a real jolly depressing time.

[Anonymous No.20224104]

>>20224044
It's a series he's only recently started.

[Anonymous No.20224110]

>>20224083
It's definitely in the higher end of progression fantasy shit, though a lot of the writing is clearly "the author had a thesaurus on-hand". Then again progression fantasy people really like Iron Prince for reasons I can't really fathom.

[Anonymous No.20224118]

>>20224091
women can't rape men

[Anonymous No.20224160]

>>20223998
Also to touch about the politics people shit on the author for
He might be blasting it in his later books but not this one
The most you get is a farmer that gets arrested because he complains about the people in power taking away the profits of his means of production, which can easily be seen as either communist or objectivism
If the ponytail having author really does go off the rail with his politics in his books, its at least not in the first one

>>20224118
>women can't rape men
Only a retarded coomer or a woman would think this
Id love to see how your brain would try to deal with the double think of being raped by your mother and it not being rape
And not a you as in an abstract sense but a literal you, the guy Im replying to

[Anonymous No.20224182]

>>20223998
>Wasnt half bad, way overhated, Im assuming because the author is right-wing and/or comes off as egotistical in interviews

Not just interviews.

[Anonymous No.20224192]

>>20224118
https://www.medindia.net/news/russian-woman-nicknamed-black-widow-sedated-and-raped-10-men-53265-1.htm

[Anonymous No.20224195]

Someone post a bastion epub link

[Anonymous No.20224198]

>>20224192
Probably fake considering the comments made by the victims, lmao.
>yeah dude getting permanent dick injury and erectile dysfunction is great because the chick was hot HIGH FIVE

[Anonymous No.20224199]

>>20224182
Yeah dude seems like a massive cunt from almost everything Ive seen of him and people are justified in hating his ass
But I usually try to disconnect and judge art seperately from the author
I enjoyed his book, but I dont think I will read any more of the series

[Anonymous No.20224203]

>>20224182
That is an at-worst mediocre cover.

[Anonymous No.20224206]

>>20224118
Can't give consent if you are drunk so by that standard I am a rape survivor. Why are women such beasts?

[Anonymous No.20224211]

>>20223998
People shit on it because the series gets worse and worse, progressively erasing the good qualities of the early ones.

[Anonymous No.20224270]

>>20215192
I decided to try reading Halo novels again because I read the first three in like middle school and hearing people bitch about the show made me nostalgic. God the Spartan 3 initiation is retarded

[Anonymous No.20224305]

>>20224195
https://3lib.net/book/18069592/beb359

[Anonymous No.20224306]

and fantasy books about misery porn and nothing like wizard of earthsea where protag has cool op magic to carry him

[Vampire Knight !!hJ13rQaey8f No.20224368]

>>20224305
ty

[Anonymous No.20224382]

>>20224110
>though a lot of the writing is clearly "the author had a thesaurus on-hand"
Yeah, there was a non-insignificant number of words I had to look up. Haven't had to do that in a long time.

There were also some phrases and sequences that stuck out to me as repetitive ("bloody-minded x"), but perhaps that's just because they were unfamiliar to me and therefore caught my attention when I saw them multiple times.

Still, I quite enjoyed the novel. Decent length without feeling overly ponderous, although I suspect some people will disagree with me on this one. I liked the flow of the arcs.

The characterization was done well, in my opinion. It was abundantly clear what the main character's strengths and weaknesses were. I liked the the idea of his character developing from "just doing what he has to to progress because he has no other choice" to really "owning" his actions. However, I feel that the execution of this development at the end of the book was somewhat lacking somehow. I also liked the interlude from Leonis's perspective; it sets up some interesting character conflict for the future.

I look forward to reading the next entry in the series.

[Anonymous No.20224411]

>>20224368
someone rolled a seven so imma read it

[Anonymous No.20224459]

>>20224382
My main issue with Bastion was how much of it was just set-up for what SEEMS like it could be a pretty good sequel. I can only hope said sequel is actually good. I actually had some problems with some characterisation (I never really got a handle on Lianshi's personality, and Scorio sort of just felt like he was doing what the plot wanted him to do sometimes) and the pacing was... Really plodding at times. I get it's a slow burn to get you in Scorio's head as he goes through worse and worse shit, but still.

[Anonymous No.20224499]

Thinking of giving this a try. Any good?

[Anonymous No.20224506]

What books involve the reader as a character?

[Anonymous No.20224510]

>>20224499
it won an award so I'm leaning towards no

[Anonymous No.20224531]

>>20224506

[Anonymous No.20224558]

>>20223691
No , 20 dollars isn't a lot. But I asked for super cheap. I bought g.orwells 1984 for 5$. That's super cheap.

[Anonymous No.20224565]

Recommend me books where animals are weaponized and/or fight alongside people.

[Anonymous No.20224568]

>>20223908
Just finished it. The books are 70-80% build up and 20% payoff, but it's usually pretty good payoff. Erikson spends an inordinate amount of time in characters' heads, meaning you get to know them very personally at the cost of a fucking staggering page count. These books can drag. Erikson also loves being a confusing bastard by dropping wads of lore into your lap and leaving you to untangle it.
Try reading a book or two and see what you think. There's a very real chance you'll get turned away by Erikson's writing style that's fiercely opposed to any handholding or spoonfeeding. Most fans see that as a positive. Personally, I think that if you're going to introduce your readers to a made up world full of made up things with made up names, you should explain what the fuck you're talking about.

The ending was based and I'm glad I read it, but Jesus it was exhausting.

[Anonymous No.20224791]

>>20224499
>female writer post-1980
It'll be wokeshit, so no, probably not.

[Anonymous No.20224872]

>>20224110
>>20224382
It's called having an expanded vocabulary, anon. Thesaurus does you no good if you don't know what kind of word you are want.

[Anonymous No.20224893]

>>20224872
I understand that, but there were a lot of words that were clearly pulled from a thesaurus, because they're not even known alternatives, they're often really archaic things.

[Anonymous No.20224899]

>>20223998
My understanding is he is disliked for lacking originality and having no background in fantasy as a reader showing his dishonest cashgrab generic fantasy books.

[Anonymous No.20224938]

>>20224899
so like GRRM but instead of a scat fetishist he's an Ayn Rand fetishist?

[Anonymous No.20224991]

How do you cope with the fact that it's only a matter of time before Amazon buys the rights to your favorite series only to shit out a half-assed pozzed modern re-imagining tv series adaptation of it that gets canceled after two seasons but still stains the memories and discussion of your series on all outlets for years afterwards?

[Anonymous No.20225003]

>>20224991
Once you reach the mental age of 16 you'll stop caring because in the end it doesn't really matter since the original novels will still be their and franchises aren't people that need to be protected.

[Anonymous No.20225016]

Low fantasy = it's set in your world
High fantasy = it's set in a different world
When did these words come to mean this

[Anonymous No.20225028]

>>20225016
It doesn't? ASOIAF is generally considered low fantasy, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.20225076]

>>20224991
All the major channels are pozzed and Amazon's pozzedness will only allow it to buy from pozzed channels so it's a circle jerk of award winners all the way down from here on out. They might reach out and take something pozzed adjacent, like the Wandering Inn or Artificial Jelly, in which case I'll have to rely on the fact that I haven't watched a TV show in 10 years.

[Anonymous No.20225095]

>>20223998
I didn't mean to make it sound like it was rape porn, I just thought Goodkind's BDSM undertones are funny. Especially thinking back on it. There's also some shit you haven't seen yet, but of course it doesn't go into detail about sexual assault lol how would it be published?

[Anonymous No.20225102]

>>20225016
I don't know, when did they? I thought high fantasy meant epic fantasy, and low fantasy meant realism still.

[Anonymous No.20225103]

>wandering inn
sell me on this, why do people praise it so much?

[Anonymous No.20225255]

>>20224991
In one volume the protagonist calls the villain a faggot, it'll never get adapted.

[Anonymous No.20225295]

>>20225103
It's big and comfy. Nobody praises it as great, just big and comfy. If that's not for you then avoid with all four pods.

[Anonymous No.20225313]

>>20225016
that's what they originally meant
in recent years they've come more to mean this >>20225028 >>20225102
it doesn't really matter though. debates about how to label fiction is the most inane shit.

[Anonymous No.20225319]

>>20225313
Nice, good to know

[Anonymous No.20225391]

>>20209621
Finished part 2. I'm still pretty ok with the book. There was a bunch more world building, and more characters were introduced. So the story is still growing. That's fine. However, I feel like there are no real climaxes happening. The Way of Kings is a large book, so you expect some small climaxes here and there to keep things interesting. Events that really shift dynamics. Putting characters in new positions. But we don't have any of that yet.
Kaladin makes very small steps in changing his bridgemen position.
Shallan's entire plot is put on the back burner to make room for Dalinar, the high princes, and the king.

Dalinar's plot remains largely the same at the end of the part that it was at the beginning of the part. The difference being is that we understand his position by the end of the plot. But his position never really changed significantly. The characters who are suspicious of him at the beginning, are still suspicious at the end. The characters who thought he was losing it at the beginning, still think he's losing it by the end. A lot of wheels spun, but we didn't actually go anywhere. And while I appreciate the dynamic that's being established, I feel like we haven't gotten anywhere.

Dalinar eventually has a major vision. This vision might be considered a climax because a lot of lore is revealed during a big battle. However, because it's only a vision, the battle is stake-less. There's no real danger of anyone dying, except for these new throwaway characters that were made specifically for the vision.

So basically, I'm all full up on world building now, and I'm awaiting some major arc-falls in part 3. Now, will Sanderson do what he always does, and belabor every plot point, explaining every detail, only inching the plot along at a snails pace, ultimately concluding nothing until the very end of the book? Or will he actually write something exciting. I can't wait to find out.

[Anonymous No.20225453]

>>20225391
The world building in Way of Kings/Sanderson books feels like you are playing a linear hallway video game. There is no venturing off the path and you can't really look at anything beyond. I'm almost finished reading the lord of the rings again to wash myself of Sanderson. Everything in lord of the rings feels huge. The world building expands beyond the plot and path of the characters. It's massive. In Way of Kings you get a few glimpses of the different cultures through each Bridgeman describing where they come from. But it just doesn't feel the same to me. I really don't understanding the Sanderson world building thing.

The good part of the book is right up at the end. Book 2 is basically just more going nowhere, Shallan gets worse. Kaladin chapters get more sparse. Stakes become less and less because you know you the heroes will be back for the sequel. I did enjoy parts of book 2, but dropped oathbringer. You have been warned.

[Anonymous No.20225469]

>>20225028
No, ASOIAF is high fantasy by those definitions I'm assuming. Low-fantasy means it would literally have to be set on earth. Like hary potter.

[Anonymous No.20225475]

>>20225469
Holy fuck, you're a retard who doesn't know anything. Just stop.

[Anonymous No.20225479]

>>20225469
Harry Potter is Urban Fantasy. Low Fantasy is typically a fantasy world where the fantastical elements are more sparse, and the majority of the setting is mundane. ASOIAF Is kind of borderline between high and low fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20225484]

>>20225475
>>20225479
I've never cared to know about genre definitions I just was going off of what anon said, true or not
>Low fantasy = it's set in your world
>High fantasy = it's set in a different world

[Anonymous No.20225485]

>>20225484
Anon is wrong.

[Anonymous No.20225486]

>>20215184
>Discord
>Never going to be created.
You're the most cancerous general on the website.
Are you really worried a discord would ruin your reputation?

[Anonymous No.20225490]

>>20225486
discord is a security threat to meme folders

[Anonymous No.20225499]

>>20225485
No he isn't. That definition is at least 40 years old.
>>20225479
People have discussed at length whether Harry Potter is low or high fantasy. Urban fantasy is considered low fantasy under that definition.
Any supernatural horror would technically be low fantasy by that definition, not being so only because the horror genre label is more specific.

[Anonymous No.20225525]

>>20225484
This is the first I have ever heard of that definition and I have been reading books for 25 years.

[Anonymous No.20225541]

>>20225486
What do you think 4chan is for, if not the anonymity (beyond anime, I know, but this is /lit/)?
Also, namefags don't count, they shouldn't be accepted either

[Anonymous No.20225599]

>>20225453
>You have been warned.
Hahaha. Yeah, but I'll still complain when the time comes.

[Anonymous No.20225681]

>>20225525
Because he made them up

[Anonymous No.20225686]

>>20225499
Jim Butcher and Laurel Hamilton have argued urban is a separate degenerate case of fantasy because being able to use contemporary real world set pieces is such a powerful copout.

[Anonymous No.20225711]

>>20223998
I thought it was a combination of the author being a cunt and making his series into a thesis for objectivism

[Anonymous No.20225779]

be honest, can you enjoy young adult fantasy after your 20s?

[Anonymous No.20225799]

>>20225779
Yes, so long as its good. Stuff like Deltora Quest or Redwall still holds up, even if the plotting and prose is typically rather basic.

[Anonymous No.20225886]

>>20225779
I reread Animorphs and a few Goosebumps in the last 6 months. I liked it, I got what I wanted from it (nostaglia), but the contrast with full novels makes it harder to go back and forth to them, obviously.

[Anonymous No.20225897]

>>20225886
Animorphs is the shit. Especially the elfangor books. I always laugh like a retard when he slices a muscle car into a convertible and gets high as fuck on Dr Pepper while he goes to save his human girlfriend.

[Anonymous No.20225941]

>>20225799
>Deltora Quest or Redwall
>>20225886
>Animorphs, Goosebumps
God, I remember reading those, fuck. Those were my favorite growing up.

[Anonymous No.20225975]

>>20225897
I hated the ending for animorphs.

[Anonymous No.20225981]

>>20225799
>Deltora Quest
I should really get to reading those books. I watch the anime and find it to be decent.

[Anonymous No.20225983]

>>20220906
Have fun

[Anonymous No.20225995]

New thread
>>20225987

[Anonymous No.20226145]

>>20225779
I take it you're too young to remember Harry Potter release parties.

[Anonymous No.20226285]

>>20217658
on my to read list, check out crystal express by the same author

[Anonymous No.20226304]

>>20226145
I went to the bookstore at midnight to buy part six, but I was eight years old at the time

[Anonymous No.20226398]

>>20215221
>The Incompleat Works of George Martin
wow, boxed sets of an unfinished series

[Anonymous No.20226962]

>>20225799
I'm 38 and read Deltora's Quest for the first time this year. Liked it a lot.

[Anonymous No.20227100]

>>20226304
There were a lot of people way over 20 with no kids at those. In costumes and shit.

[Anonymous No.20227439]

>>20225479
asoiaf is a series about characters living in a high fantasy world who think theyre in a low fantasy world