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Jung on Heidegger Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:04:52 2022 No.20213033 [Reply] [Original]

>Heidegger's modus philosophandi is neurotic through and through and is ultimately rooted in his psychic crankiness.
>His kindred spirits, close or distant, are sitting in lunatic asylums, some as patients and some as psychiatrists on a philosophical rampage.
>For all its mistakes the nineteenth century deserves better than to have Heidegger counted as its ultimate representative.
>[...]
>Excuse these blasphemies!
>They flow from my hygienic propensities, because I hate to see so many young minds infected by Heidegger
>Carl Jung, Letters Vol. 1, Pages 330-332
As a pseud who likes both, I have to ask. Why the hate bros?

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:20:29 2022 No.20213100
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>>20213033
Heidegger hated psychoanalysis just as much so it's mutual.

Medard Boss was a student to Jung before Heidegger which led to him creating 'Daseinanalysis'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:30:16 2022 No.20213171 >>20213033 I don't know. Jung had like 4 good ideas and then decided to be the cringiest mother fucker in the world. So that's probably why.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:33:53 2022 No.20213189 >>20213100 Wasn't Heidegger friends or a patient of Binswanger

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:45:06 2022 No.20213253

>>20213033
>Heidegger's modus philosophandi is neurotic through and through and is ultimately rooted in his psychic crankiness.
Why do all psychologists restort to such blatant ad hominems instead of actually engaging intelectually with the other party.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:54:22 2022 No.20213305 >>20213253 That sounds kind of insane anon, there can be no discourse with a madman.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:59:23 2022 No.20213331 >>20213189 He was okay with phenomenology influenced psychoanalysis (like Boss).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 15:29:12 2022 No.20213507 >>20213033 He's right. Heidegger was a soulless hack. Carl Schmitt didn't exactly love Heidegger either.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 15:31:25 2022 No.20213526

>>20213253
He's right though. Heidegger demands you take on his burdensome neuroticisms otherwise you risk not being perceived as authentic in his eyes. If you can't see how every critique of Jung is aimed at a specific aspect of Heidegger's philosophy you simply didn't understand or read enough of the latter. It's impressive how sharp Jung's criticisms are, and I don't care for Jung or psychoanalysis.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 16:03:53 2022 No.20213700

>>20213526
What neuroticisms would these be anon? And be careful with authenticity, that word doesn't exactly mean what most people think it does, within the context of his work. We're incidentally authentic, at best. Its not some sort of final state to be achieved. Besides, he essentially abandons that language in his later work because it was so poorly interpreted by casual readers (and even some of the serious ones).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 16:05:35 2022 No.20213709 >>20213033 >>20213526 Define neuroticism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 16:36:53 2022 No.20213864 What tobacco did Jung enjoy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 16:40:29 2022 No.20213893 >>20213709 the state of being grumpy

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 16:52:35 2022 No.20213955 >>20213893 Ha. Heidegger wasn't even grumpy though; by all accounts he was a jovial, outdoorsy, occasionally serious man. Jung fails to even comment on his person, let alone his thought, like the cretin that he is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:13:36 2022 No.20214114 >>20213033 How come Jordan Peterson does such a good job in reconciling the two?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:32:36 2022 No.20214548 >>20213893 That's not what Jung means by neurotic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jung's_theory_of_neurosis

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:19:14 2022 No.20214704 >>20213033 >Why the hate bros? Because Jung was a fraud at the end of the day, he stole the myths from William Blake and the rest from the second part of Being and Time

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:21:55 2022 No.20214714 >>20213033 Let's be frank. Heidegger didn't say anything that Aristotle, Nietzsche and Husserl hadn't already said in a much better way. He was just a careerist hack leeching off of the ideas of others.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:23:53 2022 No.20214724 >>20214714 >representatives of metaphysics of presence >"ye that's Heidegger!!" lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:24:12 2022 No.20214727 >>20214714 imagine thinking heidegger and nietszche are at all in agreement with aristotle

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:24:48 2022 No.20214730 >>20213033 Attempting to discredit someone's argument by psychoanalyzing them is the lamest underhanded copout there is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:25:26 2022 No.20214732 >>20213033 Because H made his le secret psychobabble redundant

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:26:01 2022 No.20214734 >>20214730 Such a neurotic, oppositional-defiant post. It can easily be explained by your relationship with your overbearing father.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:26:49 2022 No.20214738 >>20214730 He isn't discrediting arguments. Is his quite literally a psychologist giving his diagnosis.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:28:50 2022 No.20214742

>>20213033
all psychology is wack, also since Jung was a student of Freud and a modernist, who believed that all human actions drip down from the unconscious
Freud said the same about sexuality and Marx about the economy. Heidegger ended that way of thinking, there are no grand invisible structures that one has to discover to fully understand the world, the only thing "hidden in the back" is being, "to on". Claim anything else and you are making a metaphycisal mistake

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:29:58 2022 No.20214743 File: 40 KB, 600x532, 1527981918775.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20213171 >>20213955 Jung's literary works would probably make yours look like the product of an inbred chimpanzee discovering a typewriter

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:37:49 2022 No.20214764

>>20214742
>all psychology is wack
??
> there are no grand invisible structures that one has to discover to fully understand the world

Except the entire nature of your own being. That's certainly an invisible structure that is pivotal to understanding the world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:38:06 2022 No.20214766 >>20214743 >a dream about a giant cock sitting on a throne is what brought him away from christianity What a genius

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:58:18 2022 No.20214842 >>20214766 It brought him away from institutionalized Christianity (and rightly so). It didn't bring him away from Christ himself.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:58:51 2022 No.20214846

>>20214764
>Except the entire nature of your own being. That's certainly an invisible structure that is pivotal to understanding the world.
There is literally nothing to discover there, you already confirm that you exist, and you already know and understand how you exist (what you are feeling rn, whats your identity). There is no LE grand human unconscious, looking into the "unconscious" takes you away from your own being, you are trying to find yourself in the collective
Now that I think about it, no wonder Jung hated Heidegger, since Heideggers throwness and Da Man is basically throwing mad shade on everything Jung ever wrote. The "collective unconscious" is village talk, that with generations turned into myths, legends, archetypes, symbols, memes

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 20:07:30 2022 No.20214878 >>20214738 No he's not, he's stating his opinion. He hasn't actually sat down and evaluated Heidegger. Don't lend credibility to this nonsense.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 20:10:24 2022 No.20214887

>>20214878
How do you know he hasn't evaluated Heidegger? Since it is in his personal letters, presumably some friend or associate asked his opinion about Heidegger, and he replied he founds Heidegger's work psychologically unhealthy. It's not like he wrote a treatise refuting him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 20:30:48 2022 No.20214989 >>20214743 >>20214766 He dreamt of God making a big poopie too once.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 20:36:30 2022 No.20215015 >>20214846 >you already know and understand how you exist > There is no LE grand human unconscious You are essentially saying there is no such thing as a subconscious. You are baiting, aren't you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 20:44:50 2022 No.20215053 >>20215015 There is a subconscious, but its not a realm of cock demons that make you want to climb mountains

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 20:45:51 2022 No.20215057 >>20215015 Black box model is a thing in phil of consciousness

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 20:52:55 2022 No.20215084 >>20214738 calling the work neurotic is meaningless without providing a refutation

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 20:57:33 2022 No.20215109 >>20214114 >How come Jordan Peterson does such a good job in reconciling the two? When does he do that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 20:57:44 2022 No.20215112 >>20213253 This was taken from one of Jung' letters, not an academic paper.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:48:35 2022 No.20215581 >>20213709 The tendency of being George Costanza.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 03:56:15 2022 No.20216503 >>20214114 He doesn't know who's Heidegger.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 04:09:18 2022 No.20216532 >>20213033 Jung was OSS

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:16:27 2022 No.20217326 >>20216532 >Nazi sympathizer >OSS The power of Jewess pussy knows no bounds.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:23:49 2022 No.20217345 >>20217326 >Heidegger: Nazi sympathizer who loved Jewess poon >Jung: Nazi sympathizer who loved Jewess poon >This world ain't big enough for both I think we may have found the answer to OP's question.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:45:14 2022 No.20217400 >>20217345 Kek, a classic case of recognition of equivalents.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:31:23 2022 No.20217557 File: 9 KB, 259x194, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20213033

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:22:56 2022 No.20217723 >>20214743 >Jung's literary works would probably make yours look like the product of an inbred chimpanzee discovering a typewriter Nice personal attack, you are certainly a great psychologist.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:44:44 2022 No.20217792

>>20214742
we literally use invisible structures to do work every day. you used an invisible structure of the world to post here. if no one studied said invisible structure (Electricity and Magnetism) we would not have any of the things we use to probe reality (including vision itself since photons are excitations of electric and magnetic fields).

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:56:22 2022 No.20217848 >>20213526 >dis nigga unironically has a straight up Sartrean understanding of "le authenticity" and is chastising others for not understanding Heidegger OOOOOOOHH GOOOOOD THE CRINGE IM GOING INSAAANE

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 13:58:43 2022 No.20218256 >>20214742 >wack based black guy philosopher

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