/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20209921]

Literature for hedonists? Which books would encourage hedonism or just being a sexual degenerate? Should I study Caligula?

>Chad genetics
>Only interested in casual sex, wealth and pleasure
>Fucking femboys and women alike now

[Anonymous No.20209924]

>>20209921
sade. also kill yourself

[Anonymous No.20209925]

The bible.

[Anonymous No.20209926]

fag thread

only fags reply

[Anonymous No.20209929]

Hedonism is an unsustainable; unfulfilling lifestyle. Go off though, teenage me.

[Anonymous No.20209933]

>already making /lit/ seethe
This is gonna be good, get fucked nerds

[Anonymous No.20209936]

>>20209933
thread 404 soon

just wanted to say neck yourself tranny before your thread necks itself

[Anonymous No.20209943]

>>20209933
Think about how disappointed your father is in you the next time you have a 10 inch black dildo up your ass, okay? Failure.

[Anonymous No.20209944]

>>20209936
I am a Chad not a tranny, have fucked over 60 women now and 12 twinks

[Anonymous No.20209957]

>>20209921
Murakami, Joyce, the Greeks, fanfiction of whatever show or film you enjoy.

[Anonymous No.20209960]

>noooo you can't have fun and be happy
>you have to be miserable for large chunks of your finite existence because...you JUST DO OKAY!?

[Anonymous No.20209984]

>>20209921
>>20209933
Based. Utterly Based.

/lit/ fears the Hedonist Chad.

[Anonymous No.20209985]

>>20209960
Your happiness is not paramount in the scheme of existence or society at large,and if left unchecked will ultimately hinder progress, you noncontributing loser.

[Anonymous No.20209990]

>>20209929
All lifestyles seem to be unfulfilling.

At least with hedonism you can have some fun while hurtling towards the grave.

[Anonymous No.20209994]

>>20209985
>nooooooooooo you have to care about society!!!!!!!!
>elites siphoning money from you
>everyone else fucking you over

[Anonymous No.20209995]

>>20209985
seethe

[Anonymous No.20209999]

hedonism is a nigger mindset. You're all subhuman.

[Anonymous No.20210000]

>>20209990
Nah, that's cringe. You have objective fundamental responsibilities as a man that you're not attending to i favor of the pursuit of pleasure. You're just lost to the nihilism right now.

[Anonymous No.20210003]

>>20209994
>elites siphoning money from you
>everyone else fucking you over
The fact that you are one of the few who realizes, and still does nothing, nay, contributes to the degeneracy instead, says much about your spirit.

[Anonymous No.20210007]

>>20209921

Hedonism doesn't necessarily mean being a sexual degenerate, substance abuser, or other wirehead. There are plenty of hedonist philosophers like Epicurus who believed that life should be centered on seeking pleasure, avoiding pain, and also on cultivating a grounded sense of what pleasures are practical, ethical, and lucid. The idea that casual sex, wealth, and drugs are the human ideal is far newer and lacks anything except willful deceit and hatred of the Sacred.

Still, hedonists are almost always still secularist enough to earn my ire, even if Epicurus' and co. are worth understanding to get a fuller picture of Western philosophy.

[Anonymous No.20210008]

real gay hours

[Anonymous No.20210010]

>>20209985
do you read your own posts?
Feeling good is winning?
When is feeling good ever objectively bad?

[Anonymous No.20210011]

>>20210000
>You have objective fundamental responsibilities as a man that you're not attending to

O how I heartily kek.

Please do inform us of these "fundamental responsibilities" and who it is that bestows them upon us.

[Anonymous No.20210015]

>>20210007
the terrible art kind of masks the message.
No wonder the majority of great artists are degenerates, they can sell it.

[Anonymous No.20210018]

>>20209943
>caring about your father's opinion
lol

[Anonymous No.20210023]

>>20210010
When that immediate pleasure only leads to emptiness and regret. You said it yourself, feeling bad is never okay.
Find God. In your own way. If you need a decade of hedonism for it then by all means be my guest. Just remember the struggle after will be all the more testing, but you'll be ready for it (the path of least resistance never is gratifying, after all).

[Anonymous No.20210026]

>>20210007
>NoOoOoOoOoOo you can't have sex with that 18+ femboy with the cute ass, meaty package and soft skin! It offends my sense of appropriateness which has absolutely no bearing on your life whatsoever, and which I shall label "degenerate" purely because my subjective sensibilities have been offended!

Hedonism stays winning.

[Anonymous No.20210028]

>>20210023
Sounds reasonable but I'm extremely confident the Abrahamic god does not exist.

[Anonymous No.20210030]

>>20202020

[Anonymous No.20210033]

>>20209999
>>20210000
seethe

[Anonymous No.20210037]

>>20210011
Be a traditionalist with a family.

God.

[Anonymous No.20210038]

>>20210028
It doesn't. Or rather, Yahweh is just another interpretation of the core concept. Any real believer hates christianity because it's just a tool of control and the trad LARPers are in for a world of fun.

[Anonymous No.20210041]

>NOOO YOU NEED TO GET A STEM DEGREE AND WORSHIP GOD OK????????

[Anonymous No.20210043]

>>20210041
Yes.

[Anonymous No.20210049]

>>20210043
No

[Anonymous No.20210050]

>>20210018
Sad. Your life just made me sad.

[Anonymous No.20210053]

Don't be fooled fellow hedanons. These guys will hate you even if you contribute more to society hurt nobody else. They feign benevolence by saying that you should find god, you will never find lasting peace, etc, but that's actually their sadistic wish. They want you to suffer.

[Anonymous No.20210056]

>>20210049
I used a period, which made what i said more "final", objectively.

[Anonymous No.20210059]

>>20210053
My greatest joy in life is dating trans boys and slowly but surely setting them on the right path. It's rewarding all the way from cock to heart.

[Anonymous No.20210060]

>>20210023
Funny how all the arguments against Hedonism are from religious people.
But you wont think about this.
Your Bible threatened you with a knife that if you doubted for a second, you need to say NO NONO NONO NO I ACCEPT JESUS PLEASE DONT about 10 minutes later in prayer

[Anonymous No.20210061]

>>20210056
i'll become a monk but I absolutely will not go into stem ok?

[Anonymous No.20210062]

>>20210053
Crab in a bucket nigger.

[Anonymous No.20210065]

>>20210037
>He believes in God

kek. Fucking retard. You can't even find the courage to stare the hypocrisy and contradictions of religion in the face because you're afraid of death, yet you think a bug-like serf such as yourself should dictate or advise to others how they should live their lives?

Pathetic. I'm drinking a beer and opening up pornhub right now.

[Anonymous No.20210066]

>>20210053
Agreed anon.Any lit reccs?

[Anonymous No.20210067]

>>20210061
Okay, but you have to become a Franciscan, haircut and all. This is super serious business

[Anonymous No.20210069]

>>20210026

For the record I don't police other people's lives or claim the right to do so. I'm speaking about what choices are wise.

[Anonymous No.20210070]

>>20210067
deal

[Anonymous No.20210072]

>>20210059
Layout your model if you would. I am interested in doing a similar good deed in this weary world.

[Anonymous No.20210074]

>>20210060
I don't take the bible literally. I actually hate how the book has been used as a tool of control over the ages, even if I understand why that happened.
The further you get into the New Testament the worse it gets, and Revelations in specific is an awful tome, but don't let that deter you. Every time you smoke weed or feel your ass prolapsing from the poorly lubed cock you're taking in? You know. That's why you project your fear onto others.
Don't, bro. I love you. Love yourself too. Share the cord channel you decided to make this raid from so we can talk more.

[Anonymous No.20210077]

>>20209990
>muh nihilism life no meaning
find god

[Anonymous No.20210086]

>>20210070
You chose well.
Welcome to the good life.

[Anonymous No.20210088]

>>20210077
You can't find something that doesn't exist anon.

[Anonymous No.20210092]

>>20210088
Well you're in for a surprise then, faggot.

[Anonymous No.20210107]

>>20210074
I don't smoke grass and I don't have casual sex.
I still believe in Hedonism.
The only use the church ever had was getting people to marry young and yet look at the world today. The church allows divorce and intervention from law courts. It's dead.

[Anonymous No.20210112]

>>20210092
>The choice to believe in God is your own, but you WILL burn in the eternal lakefire if you do not believe in him.

Sounds about right lol.

[Anonymous No.20210115]

>>20210065
God exists outside the confines of organized religion. Your perception is fucked.

[Anonymous No.20210120]

>>20210112
I don't ascribe to that dogma, or any dogma, but okay. If that's what you need to write me off, then by all means.

[Anonymous No.20210143]

Marquis de Sade
Oscar Wilde
Hunter S. Thompson
Giacomo Casanova

But seriously, why do you futiley chase after fleeting pleasures like a heroin addict?

[Anonymous No.20210155]

>>20210143
Because pussy and bussy feel good.
Heroin would prevent me from getting that

[Anonymous No.20210168]

>>20210065
When you start thinking seriously about metaphysics it becomes very hard to 100% deny the possibility of God's existence. Especially the "radically other" Fideist sort of God.

[Anonymous No.20210169]

>>20210037
>Traditionalist
>God
Pick one.

[Anonymous No.20210181]

>>20210169
>>Traditionalist
>>God
Yes.

[Anonymous No.20210182]

>>20209921

[Anonymous No.20210194]

>>20209990
>At least with hedonism you can have some fun while hurtling towards the grave.
But you don't want fun, you want new highs to escalate to. Your type of hedonism is a far cry from the sort Epicurus advocates, to the point of being dangerously unsustainable.

[Anonymous No.20210209]

>>20210143
All pleasure is fleeting. Why do you think persuing it is futile?

[Anonymous No.20210216]

>>20210182
Kek, Kuso Miso Technique IRL

[Anonymous No.20210219]

>>20210194
What the fuck do you mean my type of hedonism is a far cry from Epicurus hedonism

[Anonymous No.20210222]

>>20210026
New sincerity ftw :) Everyone's just living they're lives. Why do you care? He seems happy, are you against happiness? Lol? Are you so bitter that you get upset when people are happy? Why do you care dude? It doesn't affect your life. People are individuals and can do whatever they want. I am just happy that people are happy. Everyones doing their best. We're all basically the same person. No one is smarter or better than anyone else lol who are you to judge? Wow you're soooo smart for judging and criticizing someone. Why judge someone lol? Why not just let him live his life? Why do you care so much? Im happy for others when their happy. I dont judge

Ummm why are you so upset? You literally have a great life? Why don't you just relax? You can do whatever you want in modern society. Aren't you tired of being upset about things you can't change? Why don't you just relax and enjoy life? Why waste your time criticizing others, lol? Why not just relax and stop being upset? Who hurt you? Who hurt you so that you feel the need to judge others instead of just enjoying life and relaxing? Why are you so upset? I'm happy, other people are happy, why can't you be happy? Life is good and everyone's just trying their best to be happy and buy the things that make them happy... Maybe the problem is really with you?? Idk maybe you need to learn to relax and stop being so obsessed with what other people are doing? :S Why don't you just relax and enjoy life?

[Anonymous No.20210236]

>>20210219
Look at this pic >>20209921
and try to tell me how this would be remotely sustainable without excessive hormonal drugs and surgeries. Genes can't counter aging.

[Anonymous No.20210238]

>>20210236
Ok and
Im not marrying anyone

[Anonymous No.20210247]

>>20210238
In all likelihood you're going to kill yourself in your 30s-40s if you remain a slave to your ego like this.

[Anonymous No.20210248]

>>20209921
Read Houllebecq. A great passage from Atomized:

>"I know what the veterans of 'sixty-eight are like when they hit forty, I'm practically one myself. They have cobwebs in their cunts and they grow old alone. Talk to them for five minutes and you'll see that they don't believe in any of this bullshit... but... they're still ugly, still ageing, still alone. So they cry for a bit - have you noticed? They do a lot of crying here."

The people posting about muh tradition here are clueless LARPers, but the Christian tradition understands (correctly) that it's hubris for mortals to try and adopt the lifestyle of the pagan gods. Dionysus or Milton's Satan don't get HIV, they don't get cirrhosis, and they don't experience cognitive decline with age. They certainly don't eventually become fat, old, ugly, and sexually impotent. Everybody's body will inevitably become diseased, decay, and die. What will you have left when this happens to you? Read Houllebecq if you want to understand the nihilistic despair waiting for you down the road.

I'm assuming it doesn't matter though because you're probably a psychological adolescent who will eventually outgrow this. In this case, read David Elkind's paper Egocentrism in Adolescence. Things change once you get older and begin to appreciate the ultimate reality of death.

[Anonymous No.20210249]

>>20210168
No it doesn’t retard

[Anonymous No.20210251]

>>20210077
Okay I found him. Now what?

[Anonymous No.20210258]

>>20210251
.. (Hiding under my bed.)

[Anonymous No.20210271]

>>20210209
Because it's a never ending cycle of pleasure and pain, and you'll never find lasting satisfaction or contentess this way. I'm not in any way telling you to change your current lifestyle. If you want to keep living the hedonistic life, that's your prerogative, and how you live it is non-material to me. I just think there are better ways to find meaning in life.

[Anonymous No.20210273]

>>20210050
Sorry don't care. There's no reason for me to value his opinion over my own just cause we share genes. I'm a smarter and all around a superior person.

[Anonymous No.20210289]

>>20210271
Forgot pic.

[Anonymous No.20210297]

>>20210248
Good post.

I think it's everything in moderation. You can certainly attain a good life and have happiness and contentment, but Humans can't really experience endless pleasure. Our psyches aren't built for that. There's always some kind of "spiritual" hurt among a lot of hedonists (for lack of a better word), you can just sense that they are reacting to something, or perhaps trying to hide from something.

The 20 year old getting drunk at the bar is one thing, the 40 year old who does it every day and shits his pants as he stumbles back to a miserable lonely apartment is another.

[Anonymous No.20210316]

>>20209921
Start with the Greeks and Romans
>Theognis’ poetry
>Theocritus’ poetry
>dialogue ‘Gorgias’ (features Callicles)
>Twelve Caesars by Suetonius (imperial debauches)
>The Satyricon by Petronius (Roman and his twink boyfriend have sex adventures while being haunted by Priapus)
>Abu Nuwas (odes to boys and wine)
>Alcibiades the Schoolboy
>the works of the Marquis de Sade (start with Philosophy in the Boudoir and Misfortunes of Virtue)
>Against Nature by Huysmans
>The Picture of Dorian Gray
>Stirner

[Anonymous No.20210320]

>>20210273
How do you evaluate your superiority? This is a rhetorical question that undermines your hedonism as a coherent philosophical position. Btw, the greatest hedon is giving with love and the greatest dolor is to reject this reality. T. soon converting to Orthodox Christianity.

[Anonymous No.20210331]

Any books on rational hedonism in modern society? How to live such that one's happiness is maximized and pain minimized over the course of their life? I imagine it would employ strategies like controlling desire and acquiring only beneficial habits.

[Anonymous No.20210332]

Fruits of the Earth by Andre Gide

[Anonymous No.20210349]

>>20209921
>>20210320
The setup by Dan Bilzerian.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AfCBjmI2nnU
I recommend this video. Even Dan Bilzerian has noticed the futility of hedonism.

[Anonymous No.20210355]

>tfw no astolfo gf(male)

[Anonymous No.20210360]

>>20210331
Do a google search for 'modern epicureanism'.

[Anonymous No.20210379]

>>20210320
>How do you evaluate your superiority?
I wish it to be true so I have decided it is true. Simple as.
In seriousness I'm not inherently superior or inferior. I am just different, though obviously more intelligent in some areas.

[Anonymous No.20210384]

>>20210297
Thanks anon. Picrel is another idea this calls to mind.

I agree. About halfway through them, I think your twenties are about having fun but also laying a foundation for the rest of your life not to suck. There's an oft-cited Hunter S. Thompson quote from types like OP:

>“Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!”

Usually omitted is the fact that Thompson shot himself in the head a decade later.

[Anonymous No.20210391]

>>20210384
What a ludicrous quote. Getting old is just shitty in general. Always has been. The loss of health, physical mobility, etc.. These things just suck. And you can find people griping about it in any epoch. Pure cope.

[Anonymous No.20210413]

>>20210379
You have a variety of wishes and desires and have to rank order them hierarchically in order to be able to act. Unironically watch Jordan Peterson's Maps of Meaning lecture series. It will transform your life. He makes three mistakes in his series, though. He reifies evil (and is anxiety ridden because of it), doesn't emphasise confession, and believes that life is essentially painful suffering. Other than that it's a 10/10 and it will likely be historically recognised.

[Anonymous No.20210459]

>>20209921
>Hey guys, got any books that will help me not feel utter disgust at myself for sucking cock?

Fuck off. Reading is not for you.

[Anonymous No.20210464]

>>20210413
>Unironically watch Jordan Peterson's Maps of Meaning lecture series. It will transform your life.
Not interested in the ramblings of a benzo addict/cult leader.
>You have a variety of wishes and desires and have to rank order them hierarchically in order to be able to act.
Not a novel insight. As a matter of living and improving one has to make judgments as to what is better or worse for yourself. None of that precludes hedonism; in fact it seems to rather justify it. As the end goal here is "to be able to act"--which is to say to transform the self in order to better realize one's own ultimate health and pleasure.

[Anonymous No.20210479]

>>20210464
I'm not a Petersonhead but unironically watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvm-ysHB3es

I listened to this during a Winter break from college and it blew my mind at the time. This was before he went completely off the rails, and you can see why people like him.

[Anonymous No.20210497]

>>20210464
>>20210479
Cult leader according to whom? If your brain is pozzed by The Guardian articles you're almost beyond recovery.
>>20210464
How has he gone of the rails? You are incapable of answering this question with references to his work.

[Anonymous No.20210500]

>>20209985
Progress to what you fucking sperg?

[Anonymous No.20210545]

>>20210497
According to me. He's just your typical guru. Not interested in wasting my time on him. It's usually just deranged rambling about the dragon and order v.s chaos sprinkled in with some evo psych and Jung. In other words your typical guru..
>Guardian articles
I don't read rags.

[Anonymous No.20210588]

>>20210545
But you haven't watched his lecture series. You write like a child. Sex < love. You can decide for yourself whether that's true or not.

[Anonymous No.20210595]

>>20210545
>>20210588
Pic rel
>>20210320

[Anonymous No.20210602]

>>20210545
Read Anna Lembke's dopamine nation

[Anonymous No.20210606]

>>20210602
No.

[Anonymous No.20210610]

>>20209921
wtf is on his leg? Is he wearing a wire?

[Anonymous No.20210617]

>>20210588
>You write like a child
>sex<love

[Anonymous No.20210639]

>>20209921
>No copious amount of armpit hair or indication of scent
>Painfully basic bitch design. And not in a good way
>Mediocre anime face
I can only complement you on half decent muscles and package size.

I dont even think you are a hedonist. You are just a larping epicurean. Get out you normie scum.

[Anonymous No.20210709]

>>20209921
>Literature for hedonists?
Rick and Morty transcripts

[Anonymous No.20210745]

>>20209921
Hedonism is slavery. You're a slave to pleasure and basically lose all control of who you are for a quick high and then a dead low and the cycle repeats. The non-hedonist has discipline and moderation in his life and hes unironically more fulfilled and happy.

[Anonymous No.20210759]

>>20210065
You couldn't quit porn for a month and you have the neve to call someone a serf which is effectivley a medieval slave. How ironic.

[Anonymous No.20210772]

>>20209921
Based thread and I would suggest to read other gigachads only, like Camus for example

[Anonymous No.20210806]

>>20210248
To argue the other side I could just say you're saying hedonism is good but these hedonists are just bad at being hedonists. They should really be maximizing their happiness by finding a loving wife or something.

[Anonymous No.20210869]

im noticing a lot of weird femboy shilling going on across 4chan right now. smells like CIA

[Anonymous No.20211031]

>>20209921
The easy peasy method to stop masturbating

[Anonymous No.20211036]

>>20210772
Based, anyone else anon?

[Anonymous No.20211040]

>>20210639
How do I become a real hedonist?

[Anonymous No.20211066]

/lit/ is the designated pseud board, the fact that hedonism makes all the larpers here screech autistically is a good sign