Why would BAP do this?

[Anonymous No.20187592]

https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/are-the-kids-altright/

^Above is a 'conservative' review of the book 'Bronze Age Mindset'. What do you think /lit/?

[Anonymous No.20187617]

I don't care what some boomer cuckservative has to say

[Anonymous No.20187662]

>>20187617
Hey since you are here. I have heard BAP talk about the creation of a Futurist right wing. The funny thing is, that I have had a similar idea before, and have asked for recommendations here to no avail. Can you recommend any literature or media for the rising Futurist right, other then carribean rythyms? I've already read Nietzsche's works as well, some of them multiple times over.

[Anonymous No.20187755]

>First, I did not then—and still do not—quite know what the “alt-right” is.
It's anyone who rejects what the paleocons call Conservative Inc., so, the neocon establishment. But Paul Gottfried said it well on one of his Cotto/Gottfried podcast episodes: it mostly refers to a new generation who "look more to thinkers like Samuel T. Francis than to Russell Kirk and Edmund Burke for inspiration." Or something to that effect.

Mel Bradford once said that to be an authentic conservative at this point requires being reactionary, because there is nothing left to conserve. Everything worth conserving has been effaced, so it is necessary to react actively against the forces of effacement and reinstantiate conservative values. This is why the "alt right" is broad enough to encompass classical liberals and libertarians but also fascists, national socialists, and white and European identitarians. Somewhere between the two extremes are Pocockian classical republicans, Jeffersonians and Jacksonians, Catholic and other Christian conservatives, and "patriotic" nationalists of various kinds who are uncomfortable with fetishistic ethnonationalism.

BAP is pretty low on the totem pole of alt right stuff though. It's more for Twitter and Reddit fags who don't know how to use 4chan and who can't find their way to the mainline sources BAP is drawn from. Same zoomer retard audience as Nick Fuentes. It's just a pastiche of interwar irrationalism, vitalism, fin de siecle modernist prometheanism and decadent self-awareness, aestheticized Nietzsche and Schopenhauer cults, die Herrschaft der Minderwertigen, and Männerbund stuff (Baeumler et al., and even including the ambiguous homoeroticism of the Jugendbewegung), peppered with classical references because the writer likes Strauss. It's okay but I'm disappointed with how he never really made good on his own Männerbund by giving it more structure and inciting people to read and study, either by exploring BAP's own sources and inspirations or by appropriating the Straussian project and looking to classical antiquity. The book's reading of antiquity is shallow too, though.

I've never had a good conversation with a BAPfag. I can see it as babby's first subversive literature but you should really leave it quickly for more serious and erudite "neo-pagans" like the Nouvelle Droite, unless you're fine being "groyper" cannon fodder who gets most of his thoughts from watching "livestreams." My bet is that most prominent BAPfags will end up as neo-libertarian pseudo-paleocon thinktank employees backed by Koch money or whatever.

>BAP tells young readers to join the military and/or state security or intelligence services, learn vital skills, make lasting friendships, and wait for the opportunity to do great things for their countries.
Better to read Francis' Leviathan and its Enemies, Gramsci, and any of these writers cited by the review's author:
>Marx, Lenin, Mao, Qutb, Guevara, Alinsky

[Anonymous No.20187778]

>>20187755
>Better to read Francis' Leviathan and its Enemies, Gramsci, and any of these writers cited by the review's author:
>>Marx, Lenin, Mao, Qutb, Guevara, Alinsky
I can't tell, are you joking?
Captcha: SANTA

[Anonymous No.20187804]

>>20187778
Below I'll paste something I posted to /lit/ some time back before I read BAPs work. And after reading it, it seems as though BAP has some similar ideas. This article inspired me as well: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/17550882211020409

"As to the question of atheism and materialism, I never said it was good at all. It's just that this is how alot of people in our society feel. And from what we are seeing now, it seems as though we will continue to trend in this general direction indefinitely. More atheism, and an increasingly materialistic view of the world. As time progresses, people will change, and so will their culture. As their culture changes, they will find their ideas will change as well, and we will find ourselves needing a new system that suits them better. I believe that people are a product of their history and culture; and that they will create political systems according to a sort of collective spirit. A collective consciousness or will. This is partly why I dont believe in traditionalism. I dont think that we can just take a past system and carbon copy it into our times. Those systems were right for those people, at that place and at that time. But if we were to attempt to take them and implement them today, it would feel wrong to the modern man. He would feel out of place, because it would not agree with his spirit. And inevitably, he would eventually revolt, and implement a system that better suits his soul. I fear that if we were to to implement an older system with older ideas it would forever just feel like LARPING, that it wouldn't feel genuine. I say this because I am interested in the creation of a new political system. A system for our times, that will better suit us, and the men of the future. The demographic that I described with (atheist, materialist, right wing), which includes myself, is rapidly growing and we are looking for answers. I know it sounds dumb, but I want something 'progressive'. Not progressive in the American lefty sense of the idea, but that it looks forward rather then back. How does one even define progressive? Is gun control progressive? It depends on which country you are asking. It seems to me as though progressive just means new ideas. I want a movement which looks to the future rather then the past. I guess a better term for this would be futurism? I looked into futurism, and it was the closest thing to what I am looking for. But most importantly, I want to work from the ground up and create something completly new. Even if nothing came of it, I wouldn't regret it in the slightest. This is something that fascinates me, and that I have a need to look into. I know it sounds like a contradiction, but that's exactly the problem that I want to solve. I'll take any resources, any at all, since I haven't found jack shit on the internet so far. "

[Anonymous No.20187806]

>>20187662
There never was a futurist right wing, there were futurist elements of the third positionist movements of the fin de siecle and interwar periods, just like Evola was a dadaist, Yeats and George symbolists, d'Annunzio a decadent, and Pound is synonymous with modernism. It's why Jünger supported Freikorps authoritarian nationalism and Benn supported National Socialism. Read Griffin, Sternhell, Gregor, Breuer, and you'll understand why the avantgarde is politically ambivalent under modernity.

Stop reading cherry picking dilettantes who only want you as a perpetual patreon paypig.

>>20187778
No, Sorel is good too. Actually a study of all the syndicalists and anarchists would be a good idea if you want to fight the state that 30 years from now will have re-formed itself around microdosing technocrats cum social media celebrities like Curtis Yarvin and Elon Musk.

You can roleplay as a Nietzschean and watch ironic youtube bodybuilders who read Mishima and obliquely talk about Aryanism all you want, and nothing will happen to the status quo. Eventually you have to start making friend-enemy distinctions. "Performative Twitter Altrightism: An Infantile Disorder" would be timely.

[Anonymous No.20187821]

>>20187755
>Marx, Lenin, Mao, Qutb, Guevara, Alinsky
I will NEVER read Marx
I will NEVER live in a pod
I will NEVER eat the bugs
I will NEVER take the jab

[Anonymous No.20188578]

>>20187806
Let me guess, you are a fan of breadtube?

[Anonymous No.20188583]

>>20187821
>I will NEVER read Marx
>I will NEVER live in a pod
>I will NEVER eat the bugs
>I will NEVER take the jab

[Anonymous No.20188615]

>>20188583

[Anonymous No.20188623]

>>20188583
>>>20187821
>>I will NEVER read Marx
>>I will NEVER live in a pod
>>I will NEVER eat the bugs
>>I will NEVER take the jab

[Anonymous No.20188639]

>>20187592

>Old boomer who cut out news media figures out young people are disaffected and angry

okay cool

[Anonymous No.20188671]

The dissident right are the only people offering a holistic understanding of the world we live in today and how we got here.

[Anonymous No.20188730]

>>20188578
>>20187821
This proves my point that BAP has no actual audience, just twitter zoomers scanning for keywords.

>>20188639
Even I actually read the fucking article before responding to it.

[Anonymous No.20188744]

>>20188671
Literally who?

[Anonymous No.20188774]

>>20188744
https://www.youtube.com/c/KeithWoods/videos

[Anonymous No.20188782]

>>20187755
Sam is alright, if a bit milquetoast for my tastes. I much prefer people like Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn who see democracy (in the sense that it promotes mob rule) as something to overcome rather than work around.

[Anonymous No.20188820]

>>20187662
Archeofuturism by Faye, Manifesto for a European Renaissance by Benoist and Champetier, For a Positive Critique by Venner

[Anonymous No.20188914]

>>20188820
Thank you for the first genuine recommendation of the thread, I will look into them

[Anonymous No.20189033]

>>20188914
No you won't, but in case anyone who actually reads books is lurking, Counter Currents has good summaries of them.

[Anonymous No.20189533]

>>20188914
You're welcome. But keep in mind that studying ideology is ultimately pointless. What really matters is realizing that a god walked amongst us in the twentieth century and his name was Adolf Hitler. Once you accept that truth in your heart anything is possible.

[Anonymous No.20189857]

>>20187592
>>20187617
>>20187662

BAP is so over since he supported the cuckservative Putin instead of the literal fascist fast-living Azov Battalion.

Fuck you BAPfags, you are literal useful idiots, a lumpenproletariat if ever there was one. Logo and Kantbot also are for some reason supporting Russia, but its not that shill-based as with your gay romanian dude.

[Anonymous No.20189891]

>BAP is so over since he supported the cuckservative Putin instead of the literal fascist fast-living Azov Battalion.
this.

[Anonymous No.20189900]

>>20189857
supporting azov because they're rightwing is like supporting ISIS because they were rightwing. either way you've got a jew playing pilot inside your brain who's doing the equivalent of making you masturbate on a train.

[Anonymous No.20189902]

bap good, fuck you if you disagree

[Anonymous No.20190188]

>>20189900
Better than being a literal vassal-slave to Russia. Don't worry, its an eastern-european thing to know what Russia is actually like. I don't bemoan hard on westoids that think Russia is saving conservatism or anything. Although that was a well played PR by Russia, I'll agree.

[Anonymous No.20190247]

>>20190188
>Better than being a literal vassal-slave to Russia
i mean we can argue about this, who's worse, zog or russians (or are the russians also in bed with zog? big questions)
from my outside perspective I just view becoming Khazaria 2.0 as worst case scenario. you'll end up a slave, surrounded by nogs, with all your children hating you, selling themselves into sex slavery and then castrating themselves. then you go extinct and history will remember you as satan worshippers who persecuted god's chosen people anyway. i wouldnt want to be conquered by russia either but is it really definitively worse than this?

[Anonymous No.20190269]

>>20190247
The office jobs in Eastern Europe will evaporate when Russia comes, which for a white country is an economic death sentence. As part of this class of people, my hope is that some mild conservatism will creep into the westoids, so us in eastern europe can follow the Orban/Hungary path. I am at the point of compromise where I don't want gay people to be beaten(and maybe have civil marriage), but I do think some draconian law to require woman to have children should be enacted.

Either way, current Russia or the EU won't allow this to happen. And also the Russia of today is not the ideological Russia of the USSR, my shithole won't be getting free oil/gas and resources as before the 90s. Most slav boomers(not the polish one) nostalgics literally believe things will go back to the Warsaw Pact if Russia is lording over us.

[Anonymous No.20190298]

[Anonymous No.20190561]

>>20190269
i dont think the pressure on poland, hungary, ukraine etc to accept 50 million african doctors, lawyers, rocket scientists etc will ever cease from those people, if they get their foot in the door you're on the rocky road to ruin, and i dont see how anything can be worse than this. 50 years of bad economy isnt worse than 50% children born in your country being non european within 50 years. maybe you can skate in between this, but seems like zelensky and putin would force you to choose one or the other.
but i wont pretend to know anything deep about what's in your interests as ukrainians, only i hate zog so much.

[Anonymous No.20191028]

>>20189857
There are people like Azov Battalion on the Russian side too, particularly in the Donbas militias. If you're comparing leaders it's between Putin and Zelensky, and it's obvious why conservatives and nationalists would side with Putin. One guy was dancing in a gay BDSM outfit on TV and telling cossacks to be gay (i.e. erase your culture and embrace globohomo), while arresting nationalists who protested pride parades. The other guy made gay propaganda illegal, built pic related in the last few years, and has pivoted to nationalism according to this Russian writer:
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/

[Anonymous No.20191057]

>>20191028
There is nothing traditional about banning male relations

[Anonymous No.20191066]

>>20191057
Fucking historians leaving out the "no homo" from the quotes. Smh.

[Anonymous No.20191092]

>>20190188
Nah, you and Azov and cucks under a jew.

[Anonymous No.20191327]

>>20191057

[Anonymous No.20191462]

>>20191057
Read Plato's Laws

[Anonymous No.20191560]

>>20191462
>read this one ancient chud and pretend homosex wasn’t rampant in anquity

[Anonymous No.20191601]

>>20191560
Are you one of those types of people that look at ancient Greek equivalents of bhaga bazi and screams "based"?

[Anonymous No.20191717]

>>20191601
t. christcuck slave moralist