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Which philosophers focus on beauty? I've been reading Mishima the past few weeks and I enjoy tangents on beauty. I'd like to read someone who focuses on similar ideas. Please recommend me some.

>> No.20185755

>>20185727
lmao gay

>> No.20185758

>>20185727
plato obviously

>> No.20185759
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>>20185727
Johann Winckelmann + Walter Pater

>> No.20185775

>>20185727
Friedrich Schiller

>> No.20185782

>>20185727
Why don't you search aesthetics on Wikipedo and go from there?

>> No.20187490

>>20185727
Tanizaki's In Praise of Shadows might be up your street, it's a cute and fun but touching essay.

>> No.20189266

>>20185782
this

if you're really lazy, I will give you starting places.

Kant's critique of judgment, Schopy, Nietzsche. If you liked Mishima, you'll like Nietzsche.

>> No.20189306

>>20185727
Schiller, Burke, Scruton

>> No.20189318

>>20185727
Whistler's Ten O'clock Lecture.
https://www.whistler.arts.gla.ac.uk/miscellany/tenoclock/

>> No.20189816

>>20185727
I can tell you that Marx is one who doesn't. His thesis is that Art is over as a world-defining concept(when it was such with the Ancient Greeks)

>> No.20189845

>>20187490
Literal boomer 'four seasons' drivel kek. Don't waste your time unless you're a degen weeb, in which case you need to be killed anyway.

>> No.20189852

>>20187490
He's right about a nice cold shitter, nothing worse than a steamy, blindingly bright tiled bathroom, but the rest is nihon cope

>> No.20190054

>>20185727
Has to try to capture "beauty" by aping Catholic Martyrdom like, in this case, St Sebastian.

Japs are really the most theologically pathetic race to ever exist.

>> No.20190065

>>20185727
Dude was mentally ill

>> No.20190072

>>20190054
thanks for your so intelligent take /pol/tard

>> No.20190087

>>20190072
Suck it faggot. Come fight me book-bitch.

>> No.20190162
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>>20185727
Wagner is Mishima before Mishima. His Patriotism was based on Tristan und Isolde, and his film adaptation used the music from the opera, and the Sea of Fertility Tetralogy is based on the Ring cycle. His focus on youth, and the fusion of eros and thanatos, is what most attracted Mishima. But no doubt his nationalism did as well.

>Art is the highest expression of activity of a race that has developed its physical beauty in unison with itself and Nature; and man must reap the highest joy from the world of sense, before he can mould therefrom the implements of his art; for from the world of sense alone, can he derive so much as the impulse to artistic creation.

>> No.20190174

>>20190162
What's the best book to start with?

>> No.20190198

>>20190174
The Tetralogy. Runaway horses is the best of this kind(patriotic + youth + idealistic aesthetic violence). I didn't read the first book, but that didn't hamper my enjoyment of the 2nd one, although you'll get bits and pieces of what happened in the first.

Also if you are gonna read the gay books, I vastly preffered Forbidden Colours than Confession of the Mask.

>> No.20190201

>>20190198
I meant Wagner

>> No.20190217

>>20190198
Not the anon you were speaking to, but I think Mishima's best gay-themed works are found in his shorter fiction. Particularly the stories 'Cigarette' and 'Martyrdom', which you can find in the collection 'Acts of Worship'. I read Forbidden Colours recently, and I thought it was sociologically interesting but somewhat lacklustre as a novel.

>> No.20190289

>>20190217
You are right about Forbidden colours, I think. The places and the character types are what I liked, maybe not so much the plot. Love the "old mentor" type that is suddenly all machievellian against his "student".

>>20190201
Maybe an actual opera. Or even visit the wagner fest if you are from the EU. Get a cheap flight to Memmingen and then a train to Bayreuth.

>> No.20190349

>>20190289
I've seen his operas I just don't know what book to start with

>> No.20190379

>>20190174
One of his romantic operas, Tannhauser or Lohengrin. But for a Mishima similarity his mature dramas beginning with the Ring. You can read the poems on their own but they're meant to be heard with music.

If you want his actual books/essays, then start with The Destiny of Opera, The Music of the Future, Judaism in Music and What is German? for an introduction. Art and Revolution is where the quote is taken from, which contains many ideas similar to Mishima's, and is the first of his Zurich writings which form the core of his beliefs (though his nationalism and reactionaryism were a later development).

>> No.20190383

>>20190349
I think he has essays, but not books as in novels.

>> No.20190394

>>20190383
His only book length work is Opera and Drama, but he did write a novel trilogy about a young musician who visits Beethoven. It's entertaining, but not too important in his oeuvre.