/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.20185139]

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[Anonymous No.20185142]

What are you guys currently or planning on reading?

Due to unforeseen circumstances, I could only read two chapters, Arya’s third chapter and and Ned’s eight chapter. Nonetheless, those chapters were great. But I’m astound at Ned’s denial even as Arya tells her that men are after him and willing to kill him and he just brushes them off as mummers. His rejection of trying to kill Daenerys is another. Though I wonder if it’s just his ptsd from the war controlling his actions.

[Anonymous No.20185145]

>>20185139
is this how polish people actually see themselves?

[Anonymous No.20185148]

>>20185145
Yes, Poland is always the victim and the underdog, without exception. There's Poles that unironically call their country the "Christ of nations".

[Anonymous No.20185149]

>>20185142
I can't find anything worth reading. The recommendation charts in the OP are fucking terrible and just rec the same dozen or so authors over and over and over.

[Anonymous No.20185168]

>>20185148
absolutely noxious mentality.
hilarious that in the battle depicted in OP image, both armies were around the same size anyway.

[Anonymous No.20185226]

I started playing the BattleTech strategy game on PC and since it was my first real dive into the series I picked this up as well. It's pretty good so far. Basically what I expected as nothing great, but fun for what it is.

[Anonymous No.20185264]

>>20185168
i mean, nietzsche also said this

[Anonymous No.20185265]

>>20185168
virgin incel proto-tranny who died pathetically in bed, not at all a wise man.

[Anonymous No.20185291]

>>20185142
Still not sure what to read after Reaper. It has been a while since I read any DW books so I might read the two (good) Doctor Who Timewyrm novels and find some other titles I want.

[Anonymous No.20185373]

>>20185264
he was having a go at Wagner here, who was a german nationalist, the same reason he attacked anti-semites (despite actually having been quite anti-semitic when he was on good terms with him)
afaik, turns out nietzsche didn't have any polish ancestors anyway

[Anonymous No.20185443]

>>20185142
I'm planning on buying The Silmarillion and Sigurd and Gudrún, in a two for the price of one sort of deal.

[Anonymous No.20185653]

thoughts?

[Anonymous No.20185660]

>>20185653
Dazzling
Enchanting

[Anonymous No.20185673]

>>20185653
Supports trans rights.

[Anonymous No.20185681]

Good morning sirs! I called some Sanderson fans at the book store today names!

[Anonymous No.20185706]

>>20185653
I thought it was BREATHTAKING

[Anonymous No.20185747]

>I'm 20% done with my first scifi book I'm writing
feels good bros

[Anonymous No.20185756]

>>20185653
My 49th favourite fantasy book

[Anonymous No.20185772]

>>20185653
>by <female> <jew>
Long odds squared; pass.

[Anonymous No.20185777]

>>20185747
congrats anon!! now share it with us

[Anonymous No.20185804]

>>20185777
I will come summer when it's finished.

[Anonymous No.20185829]

>>20185799
Is the lacking characterisation and nearly templated story beats in xianxia intentional, or does it just come across really poorly due to translation which is why western xianxia stuff tends to feel a bit better to read?

[Anonymous No.20185834]

>>20185747
How do you know? It's like sandersoi making a 30 second YouTube video to tell you he is 6 percent done with snorlight 5. How the fuck does he figure that? Is he 6 percent done with his goal for 1200 pages or what? It's arbitrary and I refuse that even he is so formulaic that he can give completion numbers. It's so soulless. That said, I'm sure 20 percent is a reasonable number, I forgive you.

[Anonymous No.20185843]

>>20185834
Given how thoroughly he seems to plan and outline his writing, I think he does genuinely keep track of at least roughly how close he is to finishing by breaking it down into its pieces.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.20185850]

>>20185139
The End Has Come, The Apocalypse Triptych #3 - John Joseph Adams & Hugh Howey, editors (2015)

Trilogy overview
>>20166339

And so the trilogy concluded. For me, it was a definite failure in terms of enjoyment by the end, but it was informative. Without the first story of this anthology I probably would've been considerably more negative. Most of all I came to appreciate just how much having a few great stories affects what I think of anthologies/collections and how easily I ignore the disliked stories when I'm not actively qualifying them like this. It probably makes all my ratings of collected stories where I didn't write up anything about them invalid. I still don't know if it'd be for the best to remove the star ratings though.

Regardless of what I think of it, this is a relatively successful anthology, even though it's a series. That isn't saying much because most any anthology doesn't sell well at all and the ceiling for even the best selling ones seems to be rather low compared to novels or even single author collections. As far as I've read, the vast majority of professional anthologies are quite lucky to break even on sales. There's a similar situation with magazines these days as well.

BANNERLESS - Carrie Vaughn
A very interesting post-apocalyptic pastoral crime investigation story. An investigator is sent to assess the claims of an unsanctioned pregnancy. It was surprisingly upbeat and hinted at a relatively positive world. When I finished, I wanted an entire novel. Apparently a few years later she wrote a novel of the same name, which I'll read eventually. I haven't liked anything else from her, so I may be disappointed, but I'm willing to take that risk. Sometimes there may only be a single work from an author that's enjoyable, which can be a bother because that makes it more difficult to know whether to look at more from an author or not.
Highly Enjoyable

LIKE ALL BEAUTIFUL PLACES - Megan Arkenberg
A VR developer is trying recreate an immersive experience of San Francisco.
Blah

DANCING WITH A STRANGER IN THE LAND OF NOD - Will McIntosh
A man and woman with locked-in syndrome spouses take delight in each other.
Meh

THE SEVENTH DAY OF DEER CAMP - Scott Sigler
The alien children must be protected and he'd do all he could for them. ANONYMOUS, the 4chan originated group, had become the most powerful social movement in the world and ensured that the governments wouldn't interfere. lolwut. There's so much I could say about this, but this isn't the time or place to do so.
Meh

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.20185854]

>>20185850
PROTOTYPE - Sarah Langan
More than a thousand years have passed since the previous story. Immortal cyborgs rule the world. Humanity has fallen.
Ok

ACTS OF CREATION - Chris Avellone
An interrogation of a psionic. There's way too much context missing here for me to have enjoyed it.
Blah

RESISTANCE - Seanan McGuire
More and more misery porn. Fungus triumphant.
Blah

WANDERING STAR - Leife Shallcross
A patchwork quilt is used to tell the story of the destruction of Australia by asteroid.
Blah

HEAVEN COME DOWN - Ben H. Winters
The truth of "God" is revealed.
Blah

AGENT NEUTRALIZED - David Wellington
It's now 10 years after the zombie pandemic. This one lacks even more context than the previous one. It's basically an incoherent car chase scene interspersed with flashback infodumps and other problems.
Blah

GOODNIGHT EARTH - Annie Bellet
Sometime in the future some genetically engineered survivors are trying to find sanctuary.
Blah

CARRIERS - Tananarive Due
Several decades later all 15 remaining disease carriers are confined and sealed off from rest of the world. One last surprise awaits one of them.
Blah

IN THE VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF THE PROMISED LAND - Robin Wasserman
60 years have passed and the young have become the old. Dementia has set in. The younger generation grow desirous.
Enjoyable

THE UNCERTAINTY MACHINE - Jamie Ford
A wealthy man in his shelter with the machine that predicted the end of the world waits...and waits.
Blah

MARGIN OF SURVIVAL - Elizabeth Bear
Almost everyone is dead. A lone woman searches for food. This is a strange story that may not be what it seems.
Meh

JINGO AND THE HAMMERMAN - Jonathan Maberry
Two guys try to make the best of the zombie apocalypse.
Blah

THE LAST MOVIE EVER MADE - Charlie Jane Anders
It's time for one last movie of ultimate mayhem. How many will die during filming this time? This trilogy of stories had, for me, one of the most irritating narrators I've ever read.
Blah

THE GRAY SUNRISE - Jake Kerr
A father and sun escape by boat before the comet hits and do what they must to survive. The father reminisces about his life.
Meh

THE GODS HAVE NOT DIED IN VAIN - Ken Liu
The first generation of digital minds that weren't originally human has made itself known.
Enjoyable

THE HAPPIEST PLACE... - Mira Grant
A disease has killed almost everyone. Come see life in post-apocalyptic Disneyland.
Blah

IN THE WOODS - Hugh Howey
500 years later, they emerge from cryo and observe the state of the world.
Blah

BLESSINGS - Nancy Kress
The domestication of humankind has been a success, but still a few resist.
Meh

[Anonymous No.20185861]

>>20185673
are you serious? Please let me know cuz if it does then i definitely wont buy it

[Anonymous No.20185865]

There are so many good books ideas but so few actually good books. Kinda disappointing, where'd all the decent literature go?

[Anonymous No.20185868]

What are some other books like pic related, about completely inaccurate fictionalised planets like Mars or Venus?

[Anonymous No.20185893]

>>20185843
Sanderson has no plan, he's full of shit. He makes shit up to tie together his filler

[Anonymous No.20185913]

>>20185854
That's a lot of Blahs

[Anonymous No.20185927]

>>20185913
It's a lot of stories I probably should have quit reading after the first that somehow kept getting worse.

[Anonymous No.20185928]

>>20185868
>inaccurate
How do you know?

[Anonymous No.20185932]

>>20185928
Been there

[Anonymous No.20185947]

>>20185868
thats actually completely accurate. (((They))) just don't want you to know.

[Anonymous No.20185953]

Saruman did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.20186003]

The Hawaiinigger chapter of Kings of Paradise immediately drained my will to continue reading.

[Anonymous No.20186033]

>>20185953
>indecisive on what to read next
>begin rereading every PKD short story
Oh me

[Anonymous No.20186035]

>>20186033
Didnt mean to quote.

[Anonymous No.20186093]

>>20185953
Being named Sauronman was wrong

[Anonymous No.20186199]

>>20185168
He's literally talking about himself.

[Anonymous No.20186320]

Hugo award nominees for best novel:
>a desolation called peace
LGBT
>the galaxy and the ground within
LGBT
>light from uncommon stars
LGBT
>a master of djinn
LGBT, and the author is a black guy who absolutely loathes white people
>project hail mary
Mainstream of the mainstream, might stand a chance
>she who became the sun
LGBT
What went wrong?

[Anonymous No.20186325]

What am I in for?

[Anonymous No.20186329]

>>20186325
Knowing Wolfe, a whole lot of nothing.

[Anonymous No.20186340]

>>20186329
what's your iq

[Anonymous No.20186346]

>>20186340
to hihg

[Anonymous No.20186363]

>>20186320
It's just the natural involution of liberalism, all according to plan.

[Anonymous No.20186364]

books about white male protagonists breeding brown women?

[Anonymous No.20186370]

>>20186320
awards chosen by committee have always been worthless.

[Anonymous No.20186380]

>>20186320
I hate women.

[Anonymous No.20186388]

>>20186325
Ever see the animated movie Heavy Metal from the 80s where some American nerdy kid gets taken to a fantasy world and becomes a Chad warrior getting nothing but pussy and respect? It's like that. Also based.

[Anonymous No.20186389]

>>20186364

[Anonymous No.20186393]

>>20185953
He was Sauron's true rival

[Anonymous No.20186409]

>>20186388
>
You've significantly bumped that book up my backlog.

[Anonymous No.20186432]

>>20186388
Looking forward to it then, I need some escapistkino. Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.20186476]

>>20185148
>christ of nations
>join satanic nato alliance to fuck with russia
>start ww3

[Anonymous No.20186497]

do I read the hobbit before lotr

[Anonymous No.20186507]

>>20186497
It's not strictly necessary but you should. Bear in mind that The Hobbit is written for younger readers so it's not really representative of LotR.

[Anonymous No.20186514]

>>20186320
>a desolation called peace
this book got a lot of good stuff in it

[Anonymous No.20186528]

>>20186514
Love some trans BIPOC SFF.

[Anonymous No.20186548]

>>20186325
This is a terrible novel. I absolutely do not recommend it. Read BoTNS, that's nice but this one especially The Wizard is extremely tiresome and draining.

[Anonymous No.20186569]

>>20186528
>mfw bipoc doesn't mean bisexual person of colour like I kept thinking it did

[Anonymous No.20186584]

>>20186325
I genuinely love Wolfe, but this is the most hilarious and trollish thing

"The most exiting and amazing thing happened. No, I'm not gonna write about it"
lmfao
It's a bad example, as it's actually narrated in some detail later.
He does something similar with a certain murder in the 2nd book. raises the expectation in the reader that it will be solved, as the MC claim to know what happened, but won't tell. Yet it's never explicitly revealed. Still, sure, why not? Keep it a proper mystery

THE actual proper example of Wolfe doing this, is by the end of Long Sun. Silk apparently held to most amazing speech to revolutionaries, I can't remember if it was to bring forth peace, or rally them.
The point is that this speech was a really big deal, the entire book was about getting him into that position were he would speak as their to-be elected leader(?), after the previous regime was done away with. Tempering the will of the people.
The narrator of the book goes like: "I'm told the speech was really good, but unfortunately I wasn't there. So I can't tell you exactly what Silk said. lmao"

I get that Wolfe is being smart about this. No actual speech could live up to the hype, it would probably just sound unrealistic or cringe. Leave it to the readers imagination. Then skip the cause, and jump ahead to the effect.
But this felt like such a tease. Sometimes these moments could've been cashed in, rather than skipped.

He does this stuff in some form in almost all his books, I think.

[Anonymous No.20186594]

[Anonymous No.20186621]

>>20186497
Absolutely yes. Details about the world you encounter in the hobbit are given more details in lotr. Without the story of Bilbo and Gollum the emotional impact of lotr is also lessened.

[Anonymous No.20186644]

>>20186548
>extremely tiresome and draining
unironically filtered

>>20186584
this example was primarily a pacing trick, but i think also it's that able (at the age when he's narrating the novel) doesn't want to brag

[Anonymous No.20186669]

>>20186320
First time a (non trans) man is nominated since 2018. Their standards must be slipping.

[Anonymous No.20186710]

The Wheel of Time is my comfort reread series and nothing any of you faggot pseuds can say about it will make me think it's anything less than the best use of my time.

[Anonymous No.20186725]

>>20186710
Is it as good and hype as the Blind Guardian song?

[Anonymous No.20186798]

>>20186320
I just finished Project Hail Mary, it's a nice little self-contained story but not hugely remarkable so the other entries would really have to shit the bed for it to beat out the diversity factor.

[Anonymous No.20186810]

>>20185139
are there any non-cringe, well written assassin kino

[Anonymous No.20186894]

>>20186320
Project Hail Mary is the only one I read, and it was terrible made for movie schlock.

[Anonymous No.20186901]

>>20186725
Yes. Better, even. A worthy inspiration for the song.

[Anonymous No.20186933]

>>20186810
Asking for a lot

[Anonymous No.20186991]

>>20185829
beats me. part of it is the translation, another is probably the webnovel format. it depends on the author i guess. but there is really good stuff out there.
i've yet to read a solid xianxia novel that wasn't a parody of some sort though. but then again i haven't tried to in general. they all seem to have some issues when i'm looking at the reviews, and i'm picky when it comes to starting another X000 chapter long ass series.

[Anonymous No.20186999]

>>20186594
tell me about this. people say the MC is a straight up villain. what makes people keep reading this then?

[Anonymous No.20187042]

>>20185139
I'd want to thank whomever added the Toller's reading guide to the mega link. You're cool.
I would further add something though, if I could get an opinion or two.
Just found out the Tolkien Society has a magazine that's been running since 1970. (A bit baffled that only now discovered it)
>pic
Thoughts about it?

[Anonymous No.20187081]

>>20186999
Based mc. Great world building, great magic system, not a typical xanxia story. Poor translation at times. Personally translation didn't bother me too much.

[Anonymous No.20187113]

>>20187081
i'm the type of guy who needs the MC to be righteous, at least a little bit. also i really like a good cast of side characters. will i be able to stomach this kind of story where it's said that the MC is a villain and a loner? for example i didn't like overlord either and eventually dropped it.

or is it the kind of story where the antagonists are even worse than the MC? can you consider the MC here an antihero?

[Anonymous No.20187125]

>>20185861
Yes.

[Anonymous No.20187136]

>>20187113
No this is not for you then. Don't read it.

[Anonymous No.20187335]

>>20187136
>xianxia
It's not for anybody.

[Anonymous No.20187483]

>>20187335
go back to reading womens fiction.

[Anonymous No.20187491]

>>20187483
Recommend womens fiction to read.

[Anonymous No.20187498]

>>20187491
library at mount char

[Anonymous No.20187501]

>>20187498
Thanks, will read.

[Anonymous No.20187532]

>>20185142
I just finished The last Wish, it was pretty good.

[Anonymous No.20187546]

>>20185804
>come summer
>come
pretentious faggot

[Anonymous No.20187551]

>>20187335
This isn't true. Clearly it's for insanity poster because if he wasn't shilling it every thread, I would assume he was dead.

[Anonymous No.20187797]

I love LOTR but I find Tolkien’s world-building needlessly complicated

[Anonymous No.20188117]

>>20187797
Even Tolkien couldn't avoid falling into the world-building meme trap.

[Anonymous No.20188155]

>>20185868
The Cosmic Courtship by Julian Hawthorne from 1916
It's not really that good, but it's cute and interesting reading what early 20th century folks thought sci-fi to be about. I'd rate it 3 stars out of 5.

[Anonymous No.20188203]

>>20188155
they had no idea how terrible things would become

[Anonymous No.20188255]

>>20187797
example?

[Anonymous No.20188263]

>>20185653
You might like it if you wish to be the little girl.

[Anonymous No.20188276]

>>20188255
Did your copy of ROTK not have all the additional information after the story ends? He goes into mind-numbingly autistic detail over the various calendars in middle earth which are 100 times more complicated than the Julian calendar

[Anonymous No.20188289]

>>20185681
You're doing God's work Anon

[Anonymous No.20188294]

What are some good grey alien/traditional ufo books?

[Anonymous No.20188348]

>>20188117
He's the one who invented it

[Anonymous No.20188388]

>>20188348
No.

[Anonymous No.20188408]

>>20188276
>additional information after the story ends
I wouldn't call this needlessly complicated world-building, it's just something for those who are really interested in LOTR universe. To me, it's needless when there's worldbuilding in main story chapters with a bunch of details that you do not need to understand the story or the characters. If it's just something at the end of the book that you can read after finishing the story, then that's cool

[Anonymous No.20188453]

>This appendix I'm reading after I finished the story is really ruining the flow of the story I already read for me

[Anonymous No.20188455]

>>20188453
>ruining the flow of the story I already read for me
Show me where I said this peabrain

[Anonymous No.20188572]

>>20188294
You could try Communion, or whatever book that movie was based on. I only watched it because Christopher Walken was in it. He was also in the adaptation of New Rose Hotel, the William Gibson short story. I think the movie of the latter is better than the story, but only because it has more style. It's not very good.

[Anonymous No.20188616]

Someone should create a fantasy world but with Wojaks instead of goblins.

[Anonymous No.20188654]

>>20188616
You could disguise wojaks in a fairy tale type guise, one a creature that just smugly reacts and tries to drag people down.

[Anonymous No.20188665]

>>20188654
I like your idea, mine was different, I meant actual Wojaks in the world acting like the stereotype of their image.

[Anonymous No.20188666]

>>20188616
you'd be accused of being antisemitic

[Anonymous No.20188672]

>>20188666
Then instead of Wojaks we make them Chuds.

[Anonymous No.20188720]

I finally got around to reading Blindsight. And unless I am misunderstanding, the ayy's wanted to exterminate us because they didn't like how we used language?

[Anonymous No.20188764]

>>20188720
sounds based

[Anonymous No.20188773]

>tfw you read a story that's competently written, but generic as fuck
Why even bother writing something like that in the first place?

[Anonymous No.20188776]

Just finished the Red Rising trilogy. Very much YA and lots of ass-pulls. Enjoyable enough though.

[Anonymous No.20188777]

>>20188773
for entertainment purposes

[Anonymous No.20188790]

>>20188777
But it's not entertaining when it's that generic; unless you've never read anything before.

[Anonymous No.20188827]

>>20188790
Jujutsu Kaisen is literally Naruto with a different aesthetic and it became a giant hit.

[Anonymous No.20188951]

Is Gandalf Tolkiens’s self-insert?

[Anonymous No.20188956]

>>20187797
>>20188117
I think we should abolish the term world building. It's such a disgusting way to lump so much to analyze and dissect into a stupid term where half the time people don't even know what they are specifically talking about when using it. Also Tolkien's "world building" is not complicated. It's as straight forward as it gets considering all the tropes he has influenced in modernity. It's the poetic beauty in his prose that makes it all come to life.

[Anonymous No.20188964]

>>20188956
>It's as straight forward as it gets
Tell me the complete history of the different iterations of the Shire calendar

[Anonymous No.20188966]

>>20188964
It's there to appreciate you don't have to understand everything. This isn't Sanderson where everything in the book has to be a cog in the wheel that turns the story.

[Anonymous No.20189001]

>>20185139
How do you guys get the ideas to make up landmasses?

[Anonymous No.20189016]

>>20189001
By asking the writing general >>20185837

[Anonymous No.20189077]

>>20188348
Threadly reminder that Tolkien didn't invent anything but fake languages.

[Anonymous No.20189090]

>>20185142
Still going through Night Winds on the weekdays and the Three of Swords on weekends.
>>20185443
Good choice anon.
>>20185291
>>20185149
If you’re still looking for stuff I’d recommend;
-Kane by Karl Edward Wagner
-The Silmarillion or The Hobbit by Tolkien
-Book of the New Sun by Wolfe
-The Angelina Fleischer series by Robin D. Laws
-Conan or Kull or Solomon Kane by Robert E. Howard
-Dune by Frank Herbert
Those are the big ones that come to mind.

[Anonymous No.20189102]

>>20185747
Congrats frend! Still trying to revise my own western sci-fi short story.

[Anonymous No.20189131]

>>20189001
3 basic formulas: stare at a map of Europe until you go cross-eyed (Tolkien, Bakker), 4 square / concentric / layer cake (GURM, Cook, Nix), and my personal favorite, not British Isles (Vance, le Guin)

[Anonymous No.20189163]

>>20185148
Not literally Christ, but a messiah of nations. It's is rooted in our literature and authors such Adam Mickiewicz that get fed into you in highschool. This view did kinda make sense in the 19th century but its completely out of place today, no sane individual thinks like this.

[Anonymous No.20189171]

>>20187113
The appeal of RI is precisely that the "hero" is ruthless beyond belief, working tirelessly towards his goal without letting anything get in the way. Compared to him those who preach righteousness are shown to be hypocrites, lying either to themselves or others. Add to this a magical system that is unique and filled with depths, and you have an interesting read.

[Anonymous No.20189177]

>>20189171
Sounds like my kind of protagonist!

[Anonymous No.20189248]

The protagonist should be cute

[Anonymous No.20189512]

>>20185142
I'm about to go overseas soon without my PC.
Any good book/series I can read in the span of ~20 hours?

[Anonymous No.20189556]

>>20189090
>If you’re still looking for stuff I’d recommend;
>-Kane by Karl Edward Wagner
I'll give that a shot
>-The Silmarillion or The Hobbit by Tolkien
Read them
>-Book of the New Sun by Wolfe
I don't think I can read this and judge it fairly, my perception of it is biased by the fans.
>-The Angelina Fleischer series by Robin D. Laws
I'll give it a chance but it has a woman's name in the title so my expectations are low.
>-Conan or Kull or Solomon Kane by Robert E. Howard
Own hardcovers of most of it
>Dune
I never liked Dune. It always seemed to me the plot absolutely fell to pieces if you ever bothered to ask simple questions about it. Like why did they send the protagonists family to Arrakis? I get that it was a move to politically isolate them, but why send them to literally the most important planet in the empire? Wouldn't any old backwater do just fine?

[Anonymous No.20189562]

>>20188951
no?

[Anonymous No.20189647]

>>20188827
>with a different aesthetic
That's something that isn't generic. I read several short stories that might as well had been written by robots.

[Anonymous No.20189651]

>>20189131
>stare at a map of Europe until you go cross-eyed (Tolkien, Bakker)
I don't know why, but I found this very funny.

[Anonymous No.20189925]

>>20189171
but what about the innocents....

[Anonymous No.20189965]

>“I said before, I am not someone who enjoys killing brutally, cooperating with me has great benefits.” The person who slaughtered his clan, killed all the Gu Immortals in Hei Fan grotto-heaven, participated in the Dong Fang tribe incident, partially accountable for Snowy Mountain blessed land’s destruction, annexed his allies in Lang Ya Sect and the variant humans, destroyed Eighty-Eight True Yang Building, captured Southern Border’s righteous path Gu Immortals, killed Gu Immortals from all the five regions and two heavens, participated in Heavenly Court’s climactic battle, and the one who slaughtered Spectral Soul, Fang Yuan, said with an earnest expression.

[Anonymous No.20189977]

>>20189965
beautiful prose

[Anonymous No.20190080]

>>20189965

[Anonymous No.20190205]

>>20189965
lol

[Anonymous No.20190501]

>>20189965
Sounds like the narration itself is calling him out.

[Anonymous No.20190637]

>>20186514
sell it to me

>>20186669
jesus christ i don't even want to check if that's true

[Anonymous No.20190659]

>>20186644
looking back i see these points but they work very well in that book so i don't mind them at all. narrative tricks like that, and things that are actually kinda dumb like the fact that able is coincidentaly transported magically to that world so we can get the story and all of that could be bad but it depends, in that book it works like a charm

[Anonymous No.20190724]

>>20189556
>Dune
Because if the emperor sent Leto to a backwater governorship he wouldn't take the bait. The reasons for both sides to go to Dune is pretty well explained. The only reason Atreides doesn't go rogue is because the he believed he could turn an obvious trap into an advantage. I question if you have read the book.

[Anonymous No.20190734]

>>20189977
>>20189965
I fail to see how thus is ab example of good pros

[Anonymous No.20190917]

>>20190734
It made me laugh so I consider it good.

[Anonymous No.20190953]

What book is like picrel?

[Anonymous No.20190958]

>>20190953
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41461786-black-future

[Anonymous No.20190999]

>>20190917
Based enjoyer of things

[Anonymous No.20191020]

>>20190637
A desolation called pace (and 1st book in the series) paint a picture of two different cultures
One that is a culturally rich empire that spans multiple systems, that have really doubled down on their customs. They are just a bit too warlike and into blood sacrifice to be considered as "good guys", remnant from their expansionist past.
The other is a culturally sparse, space station. It is pragmatic, and everything they do is shaped by their (secret) technology of allowing the current generation to access the memories/minds of past generations.

It got a very interesting and "realistic" take on what these cultures would actually be like.
The books strongest point is it's politics, not the pure scifi-elements

I sympathize with the conflict that comes with another culture subsuming your own. The MC is basically a traitor, right? Because she's a huge weeb for the empires culture, despite being from the space station.

[Anonymous No.20191094]

>>20185226
warrior trilogy is good, also try the roguetech mod its great but can be a bit overwhelming

[Anonymous No.20191351]

Any books similar to lord of the mysteries?

[Anonymous No.20191431]

>>20185142
I'm finishing Rythm of War today (Stormlight #4), which I got for Christmas. I liked it very much, as always there's a lot of stuff to take in. Shallan's schizo adventures was the best part.
For the the next read, I saw that a third book in the "Sins of Empire" series has come out, which I didn't know about. So I will probably read the whole powder mage series again before I get to that, because I don't remember shit about it.

[Anonymous No.20191513]

>>20191431
>So I will probably read the whole powder mage series again before I get to that, because I don't remember shit about it.
To me, most any series isn't worth this is at all. Finding summaries and/or skimming through seems to be a more better way to go about it.

[Anonymous No.20191530]

>>20189556
>. It always seemed to me the plot absolutely fell to pieces if you ever bothered to ask simple questions about it. Like why did they send the protagonists family to Arrakis? I get that it was a move to politically isolate them, but why send them to literally the most important planet in the empire? Wouldn't any old backwater do just fine?

Did you read the book?

[Anonymous No.20191541]

>>20190637
>Oh, Mahit knew exactly where she was, and exactly what they had done, and how much she had enjoyed it, and how at the moment of orgasm, with half of Three Seagrass’s hand inside her, almost to the knuckle, she had seen in an explosion of gold the blurred faces of Nineteen Adze and the Emperor Six Direction and remembered an entirely different physical experience of climax. And how she—hadn’t minded that, either, just found her way back to herself enough to press Three Seagrass into the mattress and see if Yskandr had known any tricks for oral sex that she hadn’t figured out herself.

[Anonymous No.20192090]

>>20189925
What about them?

[Anonymous No.20192930]

What you faggets reading?
Just finished the latest He who Fights with monsters.
It's not as fun as the previous books, real world problems and all that shit.

[Anonymous No.20192964]

>>20192930
This has sort of been my issue with the series too, is that it doesn't handle the serious plot as well as it's trying, because of how much it's roping in real world stuff. Also I just liked Jason a lot more in the earlier books, and I don't dislike the character arc, but he's just kind of become incredibly grumpy all the time. Justifiably, sure, but it just feels bland.

[Anonymous No.20193004]

>>20192930
I'm listening to v5. Boring setting, boring politics, he's OP but advancing at a snail's pace. It's less of a story than one thing happening after the next at this point. I hope, but doubt, he can get back on point. The family gaining magic somehow reminds me of Shaolin Soccer but comes up short in the comparison.

[Anonymous No.20193010]

>>20193004
It's weird how he's simultaneously OP and yet not really OP. Like he's got a bunch of extra shit he can do, and yet it basically just means he's like 1.3x what he could otherwise do.

[Anonymous No.20193031]

>>20193010
Yes, the worst of both. Kind of strong enough to make the fights boring, but not strong enough to take on a more interesting class of opponent. Or something like that.

Incidentally, the first time I saw a protag described as "OP" here I thought they meant he was gay.

[Anonymous No.20193037]

>>20193031
I like Jason well enough as a character that I can still enjoy the series, but his fights are increasingly one-note despite being played up like they're not, so the action is just generally not super interesting. Maybe it's because I just read Bastion which, despite lacking too many fights, did have some pretty solid action and diversifying attempts from its protagonist despite his only abilities being "punching better", that I feel this way.

[Anonymous No.20193045]

>>20193037
>Bastion
Isn't that some "academy magic" shit?

[Anonymous No.20193047]

>>20192930
This free S&S magazine that's put out 5 issues so far. Almost finished with issue 2 and there's been some really great stuff and also some turds, but that's expected when you're reading short story collections from multiple writers.

[Anonymous No.20193049]

Are there books with competent and intelligent characters?

Most authors can't write intelligent characters for shit. They describe them to be intelligent but their behavior and actions arent.

[Anonymous No.20193059]

>>20193045
Yes, but not really. The first 50% of the book is him not actually part of it because he is immediately banished for reasons he doesn't remember (there's a reincarnated warrior thing going on, and a past version of him got himself forbidden) so he has to slum it and work shit out by himself. He does manage to climb back to the academy but it turns out the academy is garbage to him because he's still technically forbidden so he does his own thing. It ended pretty well, and I do look forward to seeing where it goes, because the first book did feel largely like set-up for a grander story.

[Anonymous No.20193063]

>>20193037
His attacks are clever and interesting and were fun when they were revealed and first explored, but now it's just "muh siiinnnns" and his opponent dies. I'll stay with the author if he wraps this up and starts again, or if he finds a new gear with this series, but so far 5 is just a duller rehash of 4 and I don't have the patience.

I just finished v5 of Warlords of the Circle Sea and felt that rallied from a downward trend (though the tone was still all over the place) so there's hope.

[Anonymous No.20193070]

>>20193063
Sort of the fun of progression fantasy is getting new methods and abilities or whatever, and HWFWM is just kind of vaguely incrementally upgrading his, and most of the upgrades are just "this synergises more now" so it's not actually... Interesting.

[Anonymous No.20193095]

>>20193059
I don't like academy books because everyone and their grandma is doing it nowadays to get the older hairy patta fans.

How much of the series looks like it would be focused around the academy? I remember when I was in school everyone wanted to leave asap, now there are all these books pushing the school narrative.

[Anonymous No.20193100]

>>20193095
Uh, literally only the first book seems like it'll have any significant portions dedicated to the academy. It ends with him and some friends saying "fuck this, this system sucks" and leaving.

[Anonymous No.20193142]

>>20193100
Is there some cool magic then? The fucking blurb was masturbating about academies so hard that I lost any interest of continuing with actually reading the book.

[Anonymous No.20193160]

>>20185139
I tried fantasy but it’s just not my thing, I much prefer historical fiction and alternate history

[Anonymous No.20193163]

>>20193142
I don't know. It's sort of just one of those "everybody has their own powers" things. There's a clear power tier thing going on, and there's some broad ideas of what you 'get' at each tier, but what that really means is anybody's guess. So, like, at the third tier is when anybody gets a proper power and not just "generally stronger/faster", and one character gets "brief moments of invulnerability", another gets a monstrous form with a bladed tail, etc. There's probably categories, maybe, but it's not really expanded on as of yet.

[Anonymous No.20193172]

>>20192930
Martial World and a reread of PKDs short story collection. Ive a few chapters apiece into Heavens Devourer and Against the Gods but not terribly keen on beginning another loooooong xianxia

[Anonymous No.20193174]

>>20193160
okay?

[Anonymous No.20193230]

>>20193160
Have you read Patrick O'Brian?

[Anonymous No.20193243]

>>20193230
I haven’t got around to reading Master & Commander yet

[Anonymous No.20193294]

>>20193243
It is absolute apex historical fiction. If you like audiobooks, get the version read by Patrick Tull. It's masterful, with the sailing jargon spot on and all the voices period and class appropriate. If you haven't read Hornblower read that first because while it's fun it's like Harry Potter to POB's Tolkien.

I'd say it takes the first three volumes for the series to find its sea legs, but then that carries it through the next fifteen books and how many series can you say that about. David Mamet eulogized him in the NY Times. I remember scenes from his books better than scenes from my life. It's overpowering, but it does sneak up on you. Give it a go.

[Anonymous No.20193326]

Anyone here read The Night Land? Just wondering if it’s worth reading

[Anonymous No.20193396]

Arthurian xianxia magic school

[Anonymous No.20193403]

>>20193396
I bet that is a fagget that takes it up the ass.

[Anonymous No.20193430]

>>20193294
I have been meaning to read it but for me a 20 book series seems kind of daunting, and expensive considering I like to buy physical whenever I can

[Anonymous No.20193465]

>>20193430
This kind of enthusiasm is what got him published in the US after the first round of mediocre sales.

https://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/06/books/an-author-i-d-walk-the-plank-for.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1992/08/02/is-this-the-best-writer-you-never-heard-of-patrick-obrian-the-swashbuckling-recluse/7bdfca04-497f-4ade-8a66-d6307593e37a/

[Anonymous No.20193516]

Tell me Little Tibs and Nitty and Dorothy made it to Sugarland or I'll cry.

[Anonymous No.20193650]

Dogs of War was a really easy, enjoyable read. I look forward to the sequel.

[Anonymous No.20193664]

>>20193650
cats of war

[Anonymous No.20194080]

>I was the herald of Gil-galad and marched with his host. I was at the Battle of Dagorlad before the Black gate of Mordor, where we had the mastery: for the Spear of Gil-galad and the Sword of Elendil, Aeglos and Narsil, none could withstand. I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father's sword
the great debate

[Anonymous No.20194118]

guys im going to be real with you. I think what I need to pull me out of my current depression is a space opera that is like, the book equivalent of the fifth element. can anyone make some reccomendations

[Anonymous No.20194157]

>>20194080
el heraldo de gil-galad...
el ogro de imladris...
el semielfo...

[Anonymous No.20194451]

Can someone just recommend a classic fantasy adventure that is actually good? (MC goes from zero to hero, travels the world, gets the girl, defeats evil, etc). It seems so simple, but I've never read anyone who's actually pulled this off.

Every fantasy book I pick up now just depresses me. I can't even explain why. There's some spiritedness that is lost in so much of this genre - It's like everyone is focusing on the decorations of their world, the language, the names, and completely ignoring the core, or the soul, of the story in a way a fiction author would never do.

I pick up books and wonder why people even write them. Maybe it's me that doesn't have a soul. Who knows. Anyways, I'd appreciate any recs.

[Anonymous No.20194495]

>>20194451
the fellowship of the ring

[Anonymous No.20194534]

>>20194451
the eyes of the overworld

[Anonymous No.20194547]

>>20194451
Deltora Quest fits the bill, though they're written for middle schoolers. I remember enjoying the books and anime

[Anonymous No.20194563]

>>20194547
I re-read those as an adult and they still held up reasonably well. A bit simplistic in terms of plotting, but they kept me reading the entire way through.

[Anonymous No.20194607]

>>20194451
You say you want classic fantasy and then describe basic bitch wish fulfillment. Terry Brooks I guess?

[Anonymous No.20194609]

What do you think the game of thrones should be like? Musical chairs with gladiatorial combat?

[Anonymous No.20194614]

I just started reading pic related a few minutes ago. Has anybody else read Sword In The Storm?

[Anonymous No.20194649]

>>20194614
I read the first book, but dropped it after that. I didn't particularly like any of the characters, the plot was rather dull and the worldbuilding is very unimaginative.

[Anonymous No.20194657]

>>20194607
>>20194607
What I described is the hero's journey. That's about as classic as it gets. I guess you can call that wish fulfillment, but all reading (especially fantasy) is basically that in one form or another. Also thanks to everyone who gave recommendations.

[Anonymous No.20194785]

What's your favorite science fiction bool?

[Anonymous No.20194807]

>>20194785
false

[Anonymous No.20194865]

>>20194451
>There's some spiritedness that is lost in so much of this genre - It's like everyone is focusing on the decorations of their world, the language, the names, and completely ignoring the core, or the soul, of the story in a way a fiction author would never do.
It doesn't fit your other qualifications, but I think I'm enjoying Garrett PI because it doesn't have this problem. It knows exactly what it wants to be, a solid crime noir story with a fantasy twist, and puts that at the forefront. But there are masterfully placed sprinkles of worldbuilding in small doses that keep me wanting to come back so I can know what's going on with the war half a world away from the actual plot, find out more details on the magic used by wizards that are only mentioned in passing, or speculate on what social changes will be brought about by the abundance of non-humans in the job market if the humans drafted into the aforementioned war return victorious. The actual plots of these books are enjoyable enough that I blow through them in two days. But those details fade from my memory overnight and I come back to the series for what amounts to maybe a dozen pages of compelling detail that makes the world feel more real and get me more invested than the actual daily news.

[Anonymous No.20195061]

>>20193326
Yes. Possibly yes, likely no.

It has tons of interesting imagery, but the narrative is meandering and the prose is a mess. Even Lovecraft criticised the clumsy attempt at archaic language.

[Anonymous No.20195068]

>>20194657
Nothing you asked for past
>MC goes from zero to hero
is part of a hero's journey.

[Anonymous No.20195082]

>>20194657
"Hero's Journey" is not a thing and The Hero with a Thousand Faces is pseudo-psychology nonsense. The only actual examples of note emerged with Star Wars. I hope you manage to read a book once in your lifetime.

[Anonymous No.20195157]

>>20193326
I'm about 1/3 of the way through, set it aside cause I got distracted then wasn't reading.
Yes it's worth it.
Pros
>simple story
>beautiful themes
>very evocative
>extremely original
Cons
>strange antique affected style
>slow paced
The 'old english' style wasn't a problem for me, I didn't have trouble following the sentences at all, but it's a major stumbling block to most people. Apparently there's a '4 dummies' version that completely changes that to a normal style (which I hope no one reads if they read this).
It's good, notwithstanding I didn't finish it yet. Slow paced, but not boring, just deliberate and not in any kind of hurry.
The guy has to leave the only known safe haven left on earth to find his girlfriend from a past life. The rest of the world is a wasteland in permanent night taken over by weird unknown evil forces, and any direction he goes there's monsters or some bizarre magical phenomenon trying to kill him.

[Anonymous No.20195187]

>>20195082
Campbell didn't invent the idea, he just made it gynocentric claptrap.

[Anonymous No.20195196]

>>20195082
Hero's Journey is a thing and every writer's writer of note (Field, McKee, Snyder, etc) reference it.

[Anonymous No.20195198]

>>20195196
>Field, McKee, Snyder

[Anonymous No.20195212]

>>20195198
You know, the great Mrs Fields, cookie maker, author

[Anonymous No.20195220]

>>20195198
Syd Field, Robert McKee and Blake Snyder. The most influential "how to" authors in Hollywood/modern fiction. Snyder is the worst of them, telling screenplay writers "put this on page 5, put this on page 10" and if you've seen enough Hollywood movies you've seen them all because they all follow his formula.

Sanderson's lectures crib from them, for example, and I have no doubt he their methodology extensively in his works.

[Anonymous No.20195237]

>>20195220
I have literally never heard of any of them.

[Anonymous No.20195269]

>>20194614
I read it a bunch of times years ago.

[Anonymous No.20195340]

>>20195237
Why would you, you into screenwriting?

[Anonymous No.20195381]

>>20195068
There are countless examples of stories with what I listed there. The only detail that's a little specific is the traveling. Everything else is extremely common to the point of being near-universal.

If you're operating on some specific definition of hero's journey I don't care about that. It's retarded anyway to say that defeating evil and getting a girl is not part of a traditional narrative for a hero.
>>20195082
cope and/or seethe
>>20194865
I just read some of this on Amazon and it's really good. Much appreciated man. And yes, you put that very accurately.

A lot of fantasy books don't have any real focus. Something that immediately struck me about that Garrett PI book is that it's very generous to the reader. It cares about being entertaining first and then introduces worldbuilding as an enhancement to the story. With most fantasy it's the exact opposite. I wish things were different. Maybe I'll write a book myself one day and show them all.

[Anonymous No.20195400]

books like pic related?

[Anonymous No.20195403]

>>20185139
This thread's OP images are always terrible kitsch. On behalf of the rest of /lit/, I sincerely wish to thank you nerds for confining your garbage to a single thread.

[Anonymous No.20195437]

>>20195403
>This thread's OP images are always terrible kitsch. On behalf of the rest of /lit/, I sincerely wish to thank you nerds for confining your garbage to a single thread.

[Anonymous No.20195606]

ESL anons, how are places titled in your translations of game of thrones? Do you create new names based on the etymology of the english ones like winterfell or riverrun or do you leave the english names? For example, is winterfell named Zimapodzim (i used Google translate, dont get mad) or Wynterfel or something? Always been curious

[Anonymous No.20195624]

>>20195606
>Robato-sama, Fuyu no Owari e youkoso

[Anonymous No.20195634]

>>20193326
Its one of my favourite books, but the writing style will either make or break it for you. Do you mind sentences like
>Mine fair maiden was thus verily truely assaulten by the unsightly monsters alas hark I use my chadly muscular hands to wrest her away into the safety of my broad heaving chest
Cause its 500 pages of that.

[Anonymous No.20195676]

>>20195220
Should have made it clear that I meant that Hero's Journey wasn't a thing (outside intense and fruitless hamfisting) , before the success of Star Wars turned it into banal formula for hacks.

[Anonymous No.20195690]

>>20185142
I'm reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. It completely mogs the shit out of the Blade Runner movie. This is my first Phillip K. Dick book. I really love his writing. I want to read more of his books in the future.

[Anonymous No.20195749]

>>20195606
Directly phonetic translation mostly except some cases.

[Anonymous No.20195852]

>>20195606
Here's slav Westeros. It's a mix of two, usually the compounds that are meant to be their own words are transliterated, and names that sound like poetic descriptions are translated. So Winterfell is Bинтepфeлл, but Storm's End becomes Штopмoвoй Пpeдeл (literally Limit of the Storm)

[Anonymous No.20195918]

I learned about atavism today from an H manga and all I could think is this might well have been the inspiration for the stalker's kid in Roadside Picnic

[Anonymous No.20196015]

Went to 5 charity stores today and none of them had a dance with dragons
I'm never going to read it bros, fuck paying $20 for it

[Anonymous No.20196027]

>>20196015
nice transparency retard

[Anonymous No.20196074]

>>20186325
Its like an Isekai novel/manga/anime but actually good.

[Anonymous No.20196414]

>>20194495

>gets the girl
>the fellowship of the ring

LOTR doesn't have women though

[Anonymous No.20196448]

>>20193430
You can find used paperback copies of his stuff for cheap. I bought almost everything Terry Pratchett at £2/book off a goodwill in Sussex

[Anonymous No.20196454]

>>20194118
Downbelow Station

[Anonymous No.20196462]

>>20194080
>the great debate
clearly Sauron was dead at the hands of Gil-galad and Elendil, not Isildur. He merely cut the ring after Sauron was already dead.

[Anonymous No.20196491]

>>20195606
Italian TL is literal except some adaptations, Winterfell is called "Grande Inverno" (Great Winter), Riverrun is "Delta delle Acque" (Waters Delta), Casterly Rock is "Castel Granito" (Granite Castle), Eyrie is "Nido dell'Aquila" (Eagle's Nest)

[Anonymous No.20196497]

>>20196414
Sam rings his oneitis and breeds her like 9 times (one for each member of the flowship

[Anonymous No.20196523]

>>20195381
>It's retarded anyway to say that defeating evil and getting a girl is not part of a traditional narrative for a hero.
You're confusing the thing with the trappings that sometimes accompany it. All games with stats and loot aren't RPGs, and you don't have to get the girl or defeat the legendary evil to be a hero's journey. Even Campbell's specifically p*ssy obsessed definition isn't this stringent.

[Anonymous No.20196530]

Any recommendations for short story anthologies? Preferably not with fantasy/Conan type stuff.

[Anonymous No.20196532]

>>20196414
You didn't read or watch the movies

[Anonymous No.20196558]

>>20195196
Haven't read the other two (Snyder seems to be crap for total hacks), but McKee doesn't talk about the Hero's Journey at all. Christopher Vogler is the writing teacher who popularized it as an all-purpose formula after Lucas claimed to have used it for Star Wars (though a lot of people say he made that up after the fact).

[Anonymous No.20196649]

question about cradle:
do they ever adress how some backwater sect managed to kill yerin's master, a sage? they say he was poisoned but the explanation seems very lacking..

[Anonymous No.20196671]

>>20196649
Yes, they do. I forget which specifically addresses it, but there's straight up a flashback explaining it.

[Anonymous No.20196708]

>>20196649
Yes, it's retconned.

[Anonymous No.20196883]

>>20196671
>>20196708
good, i didn't think much of it at first, but after finishing vol.6 and seeing the level of the other sage, akuma charity, that event just seems ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.20196924]

>>20196883
One of the bloopers in the later books even acknowledges that it's a little odd nobody brought up how weird it was, so the author's pretty aware that it's a bit of an incongruity.

[Anonymous No.20197023]

>>20196883
There's a lot of stuff that doesn't make any sense, it's just how it is.

[Anonymous No.20197495]

>>20196523
I didn't say that all hero's journeys had to literally be exactly that way. What I desribed was the basic, common form that people know. If you asked any random drunk from the gutter what the most basic hero's journey was he'd spit out something about, "a knight slays the dragon to save the princess," before falling back to asleep on the pavement.

Yeah, you could break it down even more than that, but that'd be missing the point of my post. It's the cliche that everyone works with, just like how stats and loots are the cliche for RPGs. I never said people had to always conform to cliches, I said that I'd never seen someone do those cliches well.

[Anonymous No.20197530]

>>20194451
It's called mythology. Greek, Norse, Roman, Japanese, Chinese, Egyptian, and many others.

[Anonymous No.20197564]

I really don't care for his writing style. Sparse, mile a minute, and semicolons everywhere.

[Anonymous No.20197645]

I did not care for Revelation Space. It was shallow and pedantic.

[Anonymous No.20197654]

Asked to summarize the Wheel of Time, Robert Jordan once said:
>I've written a few million of words, and now you want me to summarize it in six? Here goes: 'Cultures clash, worlds change, cope'.

[Anonymous No.20197712]

>>20197495
Why not just say "I have shit taste, who writes the least bad cookie cutter fantasy?"

[Anonymous No.20197799]

>>20197654
Did he just tell us to cope and seethe in his summary?

[Anonymous No.20197820]

>>20197712
I have shit taste, who writes the least bad cookie cutter fantasy?

[Anonymous No.20197866]

>>20197654
I've got six words for that shit series

[Anonymous No.20197869]

>>20188951
No, Tom Bombadil is.

[Anonymous No.20197910]

Terry Goodkind is underrated. I don't get why people constantly hate on this guys. He's not top tier shit but he's definitely a better writer than someone like Robert Jordan.

[Anonymous No.20197935]

what are some contemporary political thrillers with supernatural elements?

[Anonymous No.20197955]

>>20197910
Fuck off Terry you're supposed to be dead.

[Anonymous No.20197966]

>>20197910
What's wrong with Jordan. I'm almost done with book 4 and I like Wot a lot.

Perrins Guerilla war in the 2 rivers is a sick plot.

[Anonymous No.20197976]

>>20197966
I like the Wheel of Time don't get me wrong. I just think Jordan is a better story teller than writer. I don't want to sound like a fag but his prose is below average.

[Anonymous No.20198035]

>>20197654
thats five words

[Anonymous No.20198113]

>>20198035
The quote goes on to address this, actually:
>I know; only five. But I hate to be wordy.

[Anonymous No.20198131]

>>20197712
Unironically a midwit take

[Anonymous No.20198134]

>>20197966
I think my only real complaints about Jordan is that he goes hard in the paint on Men Are Like This, Women Are Like This & that he really needed an editor who wasn't his wife to tell him that Crossroads of Twilight was a total bore and the entire Faile kidnapping plot could've been cut without missing anything. That's really all, I think.

[Anonymous No.20198139]

>>20198134
So your problem with Jordan is the women act like women and the men act like men?

[Anonymous No.20198153]

>>20198139
Oh, no, not at all. I understand the confusion, but what I meant is that for a lot of the series it's a huge part of the narration that one gender can't understand another. I have no problem with it being a thing, but it keeps being brought up and at some point it grows wearying.

[Anonymous No.20198167]

>>20197966
I've tried to read this before and I just can't do it. It's a mystery to me how people actually enjoy this series. I'd rather read my old Warcraft novels; at least then I'd be having fun.

[Anonymous No.20198328]

>>20198134
I still believe the theory that Jordan was too sick to write at the time so Harriet ghostwrote CoT as a filler story until Jordan could come back with the slammer KoD that he put the last of his life into

[Anonymous No.20198346]

>>20185139
Why didn’t we get more characterization of Boromir before his death?

[Anonymous No.20198355]

>>20197645
Hi speed space chase was cool among other things

[Anonymous No.20198383]

>>20198346
Plot device.

[Anonymous No.20198406]

>>20198131
Ahab doesn't fuck Moby Dick

[Anonymous No.20198414]

just realized that because my setting's magic tends to just work however the general population expect it to work characters have a very real reason to call out the names of their attacks in dramatic moments. Doing so literally makes their spell stronger by contextualizing it as an animeesque finishing move

[Anonymous No.20198432]

>>20198383
In what way? His death wasn’t particularly impactful until you get into later chapters

[Anonymous No.20198437]

Why is science fiction such a cucked genre

[Anonymous No.20198438]

>>20198414
It will be taken out in the gritty, twitterized Amazon adaptation anyway

[Anonymous No.20198441]

Can anyone rec a good book or series that focuses mostly on traveling and exploring its fictional world?
I appreciate good character writing and all that but recently I've been looking for a book that just uses its main character as a thinly veiled tour guide for the reader.

[Anonymous No.20198455]

>>20198406
book would've been better if he had tho

[Anonymous No.20198587]

>>20197966
That was a highlight for me as well - was really nice to get to a smaller but more intimate battle after all the huge scope/fate stuff. And the people in cooking pots stuff always stuck with me. It was the last gasp for me though- book 5 and 6 dragged for me and dropped it hearing it only gets worse from there. Been nearly a decade but I remember the dream and talking in circles chapters driving me mad.

>>20197976
Does anyone claim he does? I feel like plot, characters and pacing (despite the memes and later issues, Eye of the World holds a really tight paces over a huge page count)

>>20198153
>keeps being brought up and at some point it grows wearying.
Yea it was cute for 2 books about young guys, but at a certain point it just becomes hair tuggingly frustrating to watch grown men "aww shucksing" endlessly about the mysteries of women.

[Anonymous No.20198630]

>>20186320
>What went wrong?
Sad/Rabid Puppies sadly lost.

[Anonymous No.20198643]

>>20191020
>A desolation called pace (and 1st book in the series) paint a picture of two different cultures
Wait a second. You just literally described A Memory Called
>One that is a culturally rich empire that spans multiple systems, that have really doubled down on their customs. They are just a bit too warlike and into blood sacrifice to be considered as "good guys", remnant from their expansionist pa
>The other is a culturally sparse, space station. It is pragmatic, and everything they do is shaped by their (secret) technology of allowing the current generation to access the memories/minds of past generations.
>The books strongest point is it's politics, not the pure scifi-elements
>I sympathize with the conflict that comes with another culture subsuming your own. The MC is basically a traitor, right? Because she's a huge weeb for the empires culture, despite being from the space station.
Wait, you just described A Memory Called Empire. I found it really eh, btw.

Does the bitch really just sell the same book over and over again?

[Anonymous No.20198652]

>>20198587
>Does anyone claim he does?
Does what?

[Anonymous No.20198666]

>>20198652
Write especially good prose. They're not terrible but I agree they're on the plainer side.

[Anonymous No.20198703]

>>20198666
There are in fact people who think Robert Jordan is the greatest fantasy writer of all time. Maybe not on /lit. Also while Eye of The World might have descent pacing most of the series doesn't. Even some of my favorites have long drawn out sections where nothing really happens.

[Anonymous No.20198910]

>>20198666
His prose are terrible.

[Anonymous No.20198918]

Fantasy elves should be amphibian, that would be sick

[Anonymous No.20198920]

Rate my Concept:
>Space Fantasy
>Post-apocalyptic world/alien desolated planet
>Main gimmick of the story are superpowered power armors that can appear on a person's body instantly
>Main protag is a tomboy girl whose armor allows her to punch really hard.

[Anonymous No.20198927]

>>20198920
Light novel or visual novel migbt carry your concept better than a traditional novel

[Anonymous No.20198932]

>>20198920
I hate stories where the main protagonist is a super tough female. This sounds fucking gay.

[Anonymous No.20198937]

>>20198920
Fuck off to /wg/ >>20197291

[Anonymous No.20198952]

>>20198927
The problem is that
A) I'm not Japanese and Light Novels don't exist outside Japan
B) I can't draw

>>20198932
What? You mean you don't want a short-haired mid-breasted redhead girl suddenly gain a skin-tight high-tech power armor like she's a from a magical girl anime, and proceed to punch a goop-monster's head clean off with a single clean punch?

[Anonymous No.20198962]

>>20198920
>>20198952
Why do you even post here knowing there’s a writing general. Do you really want to be that special snowflake?

[Anonymous No.20198977]

>>20198952
Shit like this is why anime is so hard to take serious. Even if it has a half way descent story it'll have the most retarded bullshit in it.

[Anonymous No.20198999]

>>20198643
It's a direct sequel, it furthers the same themes. But I wouldn't have described it like that to someone that had read book 1, and wanted to know what book 2 was about.
the plot is now trying to figure out ayys, while there is an ongoing coup in the empire

there's some scifi stuff going on, that's for sure. but I still think the politics were more interesting
I don't know how much I cared about any one character, but the web they formed - the politics, that's good

[Anonymous No.20199124]

>>20198952
>mid-breasted redhead girl
make it big booba and we're talking

[Anonymous No.20199146]

Why is there no good stuff on royalroad

[Anonymous No.20199152]

>>20199124
big butt > big booba

[Anonymous No.20199189]

>>20198920
>rate my shounen pitch
F U C K O F F
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[Anonymous No.20199220]

>>20199189
Shonen is based, cry harder

[Anonymous No.20199266]

>>20199220
Manga written for 12 year olds is so based.

[Anonymous No.20199269]

Who the fuck is the moron that put this on a “hidden gems” rec post? This thing is fucking garbage. And don’t even hit me with that “lol highbrow retard can’t even enjoy pulp” shit. I like pulp. This is just dogshit.

[Anonymous No.20199315]

>>20199266
yes

[Anonymous No.20199371]

>>20199152
True, if only writers knew

[Anonymous No.20199392]

What books contain a vast compelling journey and a cohesive plot across a wide variety of locale, with a mysterious mcguffin at the end, like the best shounen One Piece?

[Anonymous No.20199437]

>>20199392
Malazan.

[Anonymous No.20199471]

>>20199437
Wrong because the series didn't begin with the original goal of saving The Chained God.

[Anonymous No.20199479]

>>20197966
Just a couple more books and you'll die of AIDS. Of course there are good books in the series. That's why people were so upset when it crumbled and died. I mean I wish Super Sales on Superheroes hadn't fallen apart but it hadn't built up the kind of passionate investment that WoT had. So it just didn't bother me.

[Anonymous No.20199492]

>>20199152
Brown hands typed this post.

[Anonymous No.20199588]

>YA fantasy
>meaningless romance between the fantasy
>non-YA fantasy
>it's a dumbed down version of malazan
what gives

[Anonymous No.20199596]

>>20199588
Atuhor's can't into romance.

[Anonymous No.20199615]

>>20199588
Name five.

[Anonymous No.20199663]

>>20198918
How would that make them better? Besides, we already have an amphibious race.

[Anonymous No.20199669]

>>20199152
No, Jamal.

[Anonymous No.20199673]

>>20199492
>>20199669
Shit taste.

[Anonymous No.20199684]

New thread
>>20199675

[Anonymous No.20199688]

>>20194451
>MC goes from zero to hero, travels the world, gets the girl, defeats evil, etc
Is there anything like this, but without the girl? I fucking despise romance

[Anonymous No.20199691]

>>20199688
>Is there anything like this, but without the girl?
There are a few gay high fantasies series, so maybe check there.

[Anonymous No.20199709]

>>20199691
I'm not a fag, I just don't like romance

[Anonymous No.20199722]

>>20199709
>I'm not a fag
I'm not judging you anon, take your time in finding yourself. But there are high fantasies series that tailor for homosexual men. Check them out.

[Anonymous No.20199740]

>>20199688
Earthsea

[Anonymous No.20199804]

>>20199722
Romance is for faggots, rape is great.

[Anonymous No.20199827]

>>20199804
I really don't want to talk about how you want to be dommed, anon. Keep that to yourself.

[Anonymous No.20200018]

>>20197966
>What's wrong with Jordan.
Waaaay too much waffle. Can't write a climax to save his life.

[Anonymous No.20200054]

>>20194118
The writing is kinda cringe but Deathstalker is a lot of fun
The Hyperion series if you havent already read that

[Anonymous No.20200059]

>>20194451
Assassin's Apprentice

[Anonymous No.20200064]

>>20194785
The Time Ships or End of Eternity

[Anonymous No.20200110]

>>20198441
The Hobbit
Earthsea
The Knight by Gene Wolfe

[Anonymous No.20200187]

>>20200059
Assassin's Apprentice is not a good book.

[Anonymous No.20200847]

>>20185139

This thread's OP images are always terrible kitsch. On behalf of the rest of /lit/, I sincerely wish to thank you nerds for confining your garbage to a single thread.

The above is a reiteration of a post >>/lit/thread/S20185139#p20195403 which was wrongfully deleted and which is preserved, which makes its deletion silly and futile. I really am happy that you nerds have the good sense to keep your garbage confined in one place.