Cyberpunk

[Anonymous No.20181097]

Why do you like Cyberpunk? Have you read anything better than the entry level (Neuromancer or Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep)?
Why does it feel so real? Do you feel it?

[Anonymous No.20181122]

Neuromancer is so inconceivably shit book I sometimes have to wonder how this genre even lifted off as it eventually did. Probably because of the role playing game and some japanese animes.

[Anonymous No.20181141]

>>20181097
Neuromancer isn't entry level cyberpunk, it is the only cyberpunk.

[Anonymous No.20181143]

>>20181122
It isnt a genre, its just one trilogy.

[Anonymous No.20181153]

>>20181122
It was the animes.

[Anonymous No.20181163]

>>20181097
I didn't like Neuromancer

[Anonymous No.20181175]

>>20181097
Snow Crash. Love the corporations are countries and some of the other aspects. Goes out on linguistical tangents and weirdness but it's fun in its way. Mafia controlling the pizza delivery service just makes the book for me.

[Anonymous No.20182457]

>>20181175
I second this. Snow Crash was an enjoyable romp.
Then read "The Diamond Age" to see Neal Stephenson prove he can write hard cyberpunk too.

[Anonymous No.20182464]

>>20181141
Nope

[Anonymous No.20183220]

>>20181175
I like how ridiculous it gets
although some of its exposition nearly turned me away more than the average lines in neuromancer

[Anonymous No.20183536]

>>20181097
Noir with computers.

[Anonymous No.20183602]

>>20181097
why is it making it noir-like always the best option?
Even like ruck and marty was elevated just just by being blade runner for like 4 minutes

[Anonymous No.20183697]

>>20181097
I like scifi in the specific genre that Philip D Dick briefly mentioned in Man In The High Castle. Sci fi is the consideration of alternate realities and futures, especially at the societal level. Good sci fi has to be a reflection of reality, hence the "science" in "science fiction".

But why cyberpunk is so popular is the vibe. Generally cyberpunk is read by people who enjoy dystopias and feelings of alienation, poverty and other such things.

[Anonymous No.20183715]

Blade Runner will be seen as a utopia in 50 years

[Anonymous No.20183721]

>>20183602
I love noir + any genre.

I dream of writing gritty scifi noir short stories.

[Anonymous No.20183966]

>>20181097
Has anyone read a shadowrun book? is there a good one? i gor into cyberpunk by playing the pc game, both are bretty good

[Anonymous No.20184497]

>>20183721
you can always do it
don't fear to suck at it, every frist drafts suck balls

[Anonymous No.20184512]

>>20183721
>I dream of writing gritty scifi noir short stories
What's stopping you, though?

[Anonymous No.20184613]

>>20183721
do it but fr

[Anonymous No.20185860]

>>20183721
>>20183602
Noir is the best genre for this set up because the "grim civilized urban enviroment in which you know that public institutions are proactively working for others interests, which while you investigate can make yoy bite a bullet around the corner and no one will bat an eye" vibes. Sounds like today but it's highly stylized so it's cooler.

[Anonymous No.20186119]

>>20181097
i'm also full sad, i only need the gun now

[Anonymous No.20186326]

>>20181097
Chapters of Blindsight that take part on Earth are probably the best cyberpunk pieces i've read. Also Watts' short stories in that series like ZeroS and The Colonel are interesting, although depressing reads.

[Anonymous No.20186547]

>>20181122
What's wrong with Neuromancer? I thought it was interesting enough, and impressively forward thinking for its time. Just finished mona lisa overdrive, though. And man, it was much weaker.

[Anonymous No.20186790]

>>20181097
It's better as a visual medium T B H. You really need the fancy neon colours to convey the visceral and overbearing feeling of turbo-modernity.

[Anonymous No.20186804]

>>20183602
There was this phenomenal little intro snippet by Sky for something. It was just aping the Bladerunner noodle eating, but the vendor slid a small bit of paper over the table to him; who, in turn, deftly snatched it up with his chopsticks and hid it in his soup. Very cute!

[Anonymous No.20186813]

>>20186119
I feel I'd fail to pull of this cosplay. The moment I got the gun I'd start having second thoughts about the coat's colour palate.

[Anonymous No.20188446]

>>20186119
i feel like i need to be good looking to rock that outfit

[Anonymous No.20188638]

>>20182457
>bringing a hardcover to the beach
goddammit. women.

[Anonymous No.20188655]

>>20188446
Yes, otherwise you’ll end up looking like JP from Grandma’s Boy.

[Anonymous No.20189180]

>>20186547
i'm curious about the trilogy, considering Gibson didnt know shit about computers kek but still wrote very compelling stuff

[Anonymous No.20189262]

>>20182464
elaborate?

[Anonymous No.20189270]

>>20186790
have any recomendations?

[Anonymous No.20190369]

I tend to find it quite funny and relaxing to read but would rather read something like Cryptonimicon or its prequel series. Cyberpunk tropes tend to get old after a while and I find myself craving something more grounded/less wacky

[Anonymous No.20190429]

Does anyone still read K.W. Jeter's Dr Adder?

[Anonymous No.20190435]

>>20181097
Tacky, outdated Cyberpunk
>Neuromancer
Outdated but still kinda relevant Cyberpunk
>Blade Runner
Romantic Cyberpunk
>Blade Runner 2049
>Well aged, relevant Cyberpunk
Serial Experiments Lain

(By Romantic, I'm referring to romanticized thematically, not necessarily romanticizing the world. 2049 is a story that could take place in Star Wars and still work)

Most of the genre sucks and it won't get better because of preconceived notions and general retardation getting worse

[Anonymous No.20190459]

>>20181097
Any good modern cyberpunk book recommendations?

I looked up some of em, but i would like some feedback on any modern ones. Maybe some after 2010, i want something that would have todays tech and hackers in it.

Anyone read something like what i described?

[Anonymous No.20190967]

>>20184512
Self-loathing and my lack of skill/knowledge

[Anonymous No.20190974]

Anyone read Difference Engine? Just got it from Paperbackswap.

[Anonymous No.20191006]

>>20190974
I thought it was lame. Steampunk sucks.

[Anonymous No.20191642]

>>20181097
for anyone in love with this set up/genre, i highly and strongly recommend this series of videos, they cover the whole story of cyberpunk western media chronologically, books, movies, games, etc.

https://youtu.be/sttm8Q9rOdQ

https://youtu.be/0VoX3vr6CCM

https://youtu.be/KczJNtexinY

[Anonymous No.20192145]

>>20191642
Best documentary about cyberpunk tbqhwyf

[Anonymous No.20192429]

>>20181122
Even with all it's problems i think it's still strong enough by being compelling as fuck, or at least it was for me

[Anonymous No.20193305]

>>20190459
akira

[Anonymous No.20193317]

>>20181097
it's fun. these were my favorites

[Anonymous No.20193429]

>>20190459
maybe watch Mr Robot i guess?

[Anonymous No.20193600]

>>20181097
I love that aesthetic, simply. I preferred Burning Chrome tho

[Anonymous No.20193627]

>>20193600
it's aesthetic is like at the same height of the concept itself
thanks anime

[Anonymous No.20193662]

>>20193429
this is "i hacked into ur mainframe" the show. couldn't make it beyond the first few episodes because of how braindead they assumed their audience was.

[Anonymous No.20194763]

>>20190459
have you tried manga/anime?

[Anonymous No.20194825]

>>20181097
What do people think of Hardwired?

[Anonymous No.20194832]

>>20194825
by walter jon williams of course

[Anonymous No.20194851]

>>20186326
i totally forgot about reading blindsight. its pretty good.

[Anonymous No.20194949]

>>20186119
>>20186813
>>20188446
I found this guide from a YouTube rec. It had a lot of good tips to make a cyberpunk outfit without verging on cosplay.
https://shellzine.net/cyberpunk-fashion/

[Z No.20195166]

>>20191642
>refuses to put in gravities rainbow
>only references dicks most normie tier books not ubik
Indigo is a brainlet. He also is a pleb that thinks the lion king did hamlets plot “better”

[Anonymous No.20195183]

>>20181175
>expect cyberpunk
>get a Sumerian history lesson

[Anonymous No.20195190]

>>20194949
I can see it turning out very different from what people envisage.

[Anonymous No.20195224]

>>20194949
>>20195190
i kinda like writing my cyberpunk with this kind of dark wear aesthetic rather than the regular cyber punk stuff

[Anonymous No.20195227]

>>20181097
It's comfy because it makes poverty more decadent.

[Anonymous No.20195738]

>>20191642
I watched parts 1 and 2 and although it's entertaining, you can tell it's coming from someone who primarily has a video game focus rather than a book focus. No mention of proto-cyberpunk books prior to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (e.g. Alfred Bester's 1950s books, or Daniel Galouye's Simulacron-3). The only PKD works that get mentioned are the ones adapted as movies, which happens a lot elsewhere too, but those works are so over-discussed that it'd be good to hear about something else. In part 2 the only books mentioned are when a movie or game is based on one.
Also he uses 'beatnik' a few times to refer to some cyberpunk works, and I'm not sure what meaning is intended there.

[Anonymous No.20196934]

>>20195738
to be fair, it's not a book oriented video, and cyberpunk has grown and being explored wider and better through movies and gaems, buy yeah, do you know any good vid or website focused on rec cyber punk books?

[Anonymous No.20197175]

>>20195190
top fucking kek, my thoughts exactly

[Anonymous No.20197227]

i enjoy the first part of neuromancer in chibi, because the description of the city is really cool. but the rest of the book, about hacking, bores me a lot more. i think cyberpunk aesthetics and locations are cooler than the plots.

[Anonymous No.20197487]

>>20197227
That's why it's a set up, not a genre

[Anonymous No.20198492]

>>20197487
>That's why it's a set up, not a genre
is it?

[Anonymous No.20198510]

>>20196934
>it's not a book oriented video
It should be you idiot. Why are you posting it then?

[Anonymous No.20198551]

>>20198510
not my fault you can't read

[Anonymous No.20198565]

schizoid VR cyberpunk >>> neon noir cyberpunk

[Anonymous No.20198634]

>>20190429
Recently bought this for $1 after seeing that the author provided the basis for one of Hoselover Fat’s friends in Valis.

[Anonymous No.20198674]

>>20190429
>>20198634
care to elaborate about those books my frens?

[Anonymous No.20198883]

>>20196934
True, I guess I'm disappointed largely because I wanted to hear more about books (though the movies and games are still interesting). The videos are on a gaming channel, though, so I need to adjust expectations before continuing to part 3.

I don't know of any good in-depth videos or sites about cyberpunk books. There's a lot that cover the big names (Neuromancer, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep/Blade Runner, etc) but it'd be good to watch one that digs more into other books. The closest I've seen are lists of the 10, 20 or 30 "best cyberpunk books", but those just have short blurbs about each one.

[Anonymous No.20199206]

How has nobody mentioned Snow Crash yet? Lots of media lifts from it, almost as much as Neuromancer.

[Anonymous No.20199490]

>>20195190
I imagine tis but with cybernetic enhancement

[Anonymous No.20199501]

>>20181097
I'm actually reading Trouble and her Friends at the moment OP
pretty good
the writer seems kinda preoccupied with lgbt people being under threat
despite it being science fiction and the future

And yes I have read the Neuromancer trilogy and the Marid Audran trio
I currently have Snowcrash and Burning Chrome on order, I am trying to make 2022 my year of cyberpunk. Going a bit slow though.

[Anonymous No.20199598]

>>20199206
just ctrl+f Snow mate

[Anonymous No.20199639]

>>20198674
Jeter wrote Dr Adder in the early 1970s but it didn't get published until 1984. It prefigures a lot of things that would turn up in cyberpunk in the 1980s like virtual reality and machine parts on bodies. Its afterword is from Philip K Dick - he was dead by the time it was published, but he'd written the afterword years before when Jeter was shopping the novel around. The Dr Adder character provides fetishistic amputations and body enhancements (in one case he adds shark teeth to a woman's vagina), and comes into possession of an experimental weapon called a flashglove, which replaces the user's amputated arm.

[Anonymous No.20199708]

>>20199490

[Anonymous No.20200616]

>>20199708
dopest gang I ever seen

[Anonymous No.20200687]

>>20199708
reminds me of pic related

also didn't the author of neuromancer say something like
>i had no idea what i was writing and have no idea why cyberpunk exploded in popularity

[Anonymous No.20200718]

>>20200687
>also didn't the author of neuromancer say something like
It's very evident he had no clue what he was doing if you read the book. It is his first book afterall and boy does it show.

[Anonymous No.20200749]

>>20200718
nah i haven't read it and i'm not much into cyberpunk either
just think it was an interestingly unique flash in the pan idea for its time

[Anonymous No.20200803]

>>20200687
>>20200718
>>20200749
The context of Gibson saying he had no clue was that he didn't had a PC or knew anything about hackings and computers, so he wrote Neuromancer out his "society sucks" thoughts rather than his tech knowing, wich was zero

[Anonymous No.20200873]

>>20181097
I wish my oculus look like that
>inb4 muh sleekness

[Anonymous No.20201717]

>>20183966
Never do a deal with a dragon was not bad, imo. Wish they had not put the elves and trolls and shit in shadowrun because the setting was great.

[Anonymous No.20201859]

>>20181122
>it was so bad it created a genre
do you listen to yourself or do you just hit that post button

>>20181141
only if you have lived under a rock for the last decades

>>20181163
then you would have hated idoru

>>20181175
>snow crush
even worse

>>20183536
most of the time its actually hardboiled but like, more edgy.

>>20183602
that's not noir like, thats just tapping into the global mode of eating alone at a food cart at night among strangers.

>>20183697
nah, its just the golden era of space travel died and what was left were the remnants of a dream, the mock mirror world of the cyberspace, (un)limited possibilities


Ps. i love you all

[Anonymous No.20201996]

Gibson should know when to stop. His later work is a joke. It's true that the best work is produced when you're immersed in the scene and are not a removed observer.

[Anonymous No.20202070]

>>20201717
bright (the off-brand) netflix movie had trolls and elves and it was pretty gud.

weird how they got around not having the licence, might still get a lawsuit

[Anonymous No.20202145]

>>20201859
>>it was so bad it created a genre

You're thinking of Lot49

[Anonymous No.20202175]

>>20201717
the thing is Shadowrun's whole purpose is to mix fantasy and cyberpunk, that has been it's whole deal. I mean it was developed as a fantasy cyberpunk tabletop RPG.

[Anonymous No.20202191]

>>20201859
>that's not noir like, thats just tapping into the global mode of eating alone at a food cart at night among strangers.
was it? the whole sequence was about a cynycal anti hero making detective work looking up for a dude in a grim tone. i mean, it was Blade Runner.

[Anonymous No.20202249]

>>20186547
It's very boring. I read a 100 pages and got nothing out of it. It's still on my unfinished shelf, but picking it up again feels like a chore.

Boring for me, I'm not saying I'm smarter or better than people who enjoy it, but I'm a bit curious about what makes it so popular with other readers.

[Anonymous No.20202264]

>>20202070
I fully disagree with you, yes, the movie had the fantasy elements, but nothing cyber punk about it, i mean it wasn't even the future, and our MC was a cop, like it's nothing like shadowrun.
Also, in my opinion the movie kind of sucked balls, nothing made any sense from how the society is portrayed to the choices the characters make. For me it was a pain to watch it.

[Anonymous No.20202362]

>>20202264
>mothing cyber punk about it

i think you missed the point;
imho its just Shadowrun™

> i mean it wasn't even the future
it was the near future.

>MC was a cop, like it's nothing like shadowrun.
thats just the plot synopsis.
its basically Dredd (2012), which ofc to you is not cyberpunk either.....because it has a cop in it...
>nothing made any sense from how the society
that's LA for you baby!

Would you call it a modern day fantasy?
I feel like they just didn't get an ok from shadowrun desu

[Anonymous No.20203165]

>>20181097
This book is so shit. Gibson writes like he's illiterate.

[Anonymous No.20203171]

>>20201859
>>it was so bad it created a genre
>do you listen to yourself or do you just hit that post button
Can you even comprehend what you read?

[Anonymous No.20203239]

>>20181153
>>20181122
Do you guys recommend some cyberpunk animes?

[Anonymous No.20203245]

>>20202362
I was refering to Shadowrun, the police force portrayed in Bright is like a today's regular one.
>its basically Dredd (2012), which ofc to you is not cyberpunk either.....because it has a cop in it...
So my point wasn't about the cop itself, so don't assume shit please. I love a cyber punk comic story like Judge Dredd.

And just to make my point clearer, the core of cyberpunk is "high tech low life", and bright is just "regular tech low life", which is kind of critical, no high tech stuff, no cyberpunk and no shadowrun, just regular fantasy. So let's face it, bright never intended to be something like that, it was just some regular opportunistic netflix film about racism.

[Anonymous No.20203261]

>>20203165
Which is encouraging, you just need a cool concept.
cool concept >>> muh beatufil high words

[Anonymous No.20203274]

>>20203239
Just start with the popular ones
>akira
>ghost in the shell
>lain
>animatrix
>psychopass
>alita

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOoQDtuehoo

[Anonymous No.20203820]

>>20203245
>and bright is just "regular tech low life"
That's just the tagline.
The only thing i would attest to, is that there is no "groundbreaking" technology that would disrupt society as we know it, and as such doesn't qualify as science fiction.
Aestethics-wise it is very much cyberpunk-y, and fulfills the promise of the tagline that you brought up yourself very much, without being "sci-fi"-y.
>b-but they don't have laserguns
Yes, but cyberpunk is about the individual in a modern world, and it get's portrayed very well.

[Anonymous No.20203853]

I liked Thin Air, the altered carbon trilogy, the sprawl trilogy, virtual light, snowcrash, diamond age, burning chrome (hinterlands best short).
Got several others on shelf to read this year.

[Anonymous No.20203955]

>>20203853
>black hatch man
Running hot!
Have you read When Gravity Fails?

[Anonymous No.20203994]

>>20203955
It's one of the books on my shelf

[Anonymous No.20204236]

>>20203820
>Yes, but cyberpunk is about the individual in a modern world, and it get's portrayed very well.
Not that anon but no, the whole point is that cyberpunk is set up in the future with high tech, Bright is set up literally in 2017 and has no tech, it doesn't check any cyberpunk points, just the races of shadowrun which means nothing. And it's a horrible movie.

[Anonymous No.20204442]

Neurnancer has too much sex for my liking, case should be a loser like me.

[Anonymous No.20204449]

Why did the black africa at the bar never get any work done on his face? He just stayed ugly with stained yellow teeth?

[Anonymous No.20204468]

Maybe it's just my experience but to me, cyberpunk is a genre all about the aesthetic. I thought Neuromancer was an awful book but yeah like somebody said above, the animes make the genre worthwhile. Ghost in the Shell is an amazing work of art. The Ghost City sequence haunts me desu

[Anonymous No.20204475]

>>20204468

[Anonymous No.20204482]

>>20204449
quoting the same book
>The bartender’s smile widened. His ugliness was the stuff of legend. In an age of affordable beauty, there was something heraldic about his lack of it.

[Anonymous No.20204599]

>>20204468
animes just lacks the emotional depth
>a genre all about the aesthetic
then you're probably a flamboyant homosexual, only that could explain your superficiality.

[Anonymous No.20204644]

>>20204599
show me the book then dude because I only ever get rec'd Neuromancer and it's terrible. I love PKD tho

[Anonymous No.20204655]

>>20204644
this ones kinda out there but CCRUs collected writings from 1997-2003 are like half really shitty philosophy and half really fucking cool cyberpunkish fiction.

also 9M9H9E9 is really good

[Anonymous No.20204738]

>>20204655
>CCRUs collected writings from 1997-2003 are like half really shitty philosophy and half really fucking cool cyberpunkish fiction.
This, also Nick Lands solo work up to xenosystems

[Anonymous No.20204797]

>>20204738
is that fanged noumena or something else?

[Anonymous No.20204804]

>>20204644
i'll post a recommended cyberpunk list if i ever find the time to make one

[Anonymous No.20204839]

>>20198565
>schizoid VR cyberpunk
So like Ready Player One?

[Anonymous No.20204910]

>>20204839
they sell like hotcakes.
amazon is full of ebooks about VR adventures.
there's even an anime.
they all take hints from MMOs and second life.

[Anonymous No.20204914]

>>20204655
>>20204738
ty bros

[Anonymous No.20204916]

>>20204839
RPO is not schizoid enough, I was thinking more like the classic cyberpunk writers

[Anonymous No.20204928]

Outside of Gibson's early work there's barely a handful of actual cyberpunk stories.

[Anonymous No.20204972]

>>20204910
>>20204916
>>20204839
you mean like this?

[Anonymous No.20204981]

>>20204972
have you read permutation city?

[Anonymous No.20205002]

>>20204981
No, clue me in mate

[Anonymous No.20205232]

Dead genre.
It doesn't have any more stories to tell, so now they just slap the aesthetics on for flavor.
Most importantly it didn't become reality.

[Anonymous No.20205487]

pat cadigan's tea from an empty cup
>>20181175
>>20182457
>>20199206
neal stephenson is dogshit and ur all dogshit too
>>20204804
do it anon

[Anonymous No.20205561]

>>20205232
>Most importantly it didn't become reality.
You really don’t think so?

[Anonymous No.20205636]

>>20205232
>Dead genre.
>It doesn't have any more stories to tell, so now they just slap the aesthetics on for flavor.
we know, that's why we are thirsty for it

[Anonymous No.20205696]

>>20181097
>why do you like cyberpunk?
the good stuff in the genre is "new wave SF with a focus on mcluhanian media critique", two great tastes which taste great together.
>Have you read anything better than Neuromancer/Do Androids Dream?
Islands in the Net by Sterling is a favorite of mine, but I wouldn't call it 'better'. Personally I think Gibson was better as a short story writer than a novelist, though. In general I think a lot of the best works in the genre are short fiction.
>why does it feel so real? do you feel it?
it's basically a metaphor for the way television changed society, which happened to map almost exactly onto the way the internet changed society, and we're currently at a major inflection point in the transition to new media. it has nothing to do with the authors 'predicting' anything-- they were talking about their past and present, but that period in time is strongly echoed in our own

[Anonymous No.20205702]

>>20204981
everything egan writes is deeply schizo. it's admirable

[Anonymous No.20207323]

>>20205696
Any Gibson short-stories recommendations?