Apologetics for Buddhism and Hinduism?

[Anonymous No.20176511]

There are plenty of books about what they believe and their philosophy but do they have apologists to make an argument for why its true and contrast it to others.

[Anonymous No.20176571]

>>20176511
>born a prince
>yet depressed
Buddha just needed some Schopenhauer and Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.20176620]

>>20176511
Judging by the me I'd say Adi Shankara is cooler.

[Blarty Hongo !H0lVGXJNm6 No.20176793]

>>20176511
Bumping for interest.

[Anonymous No.20176833]

>>20176571
Buddha wasn’t depressed, the man just saw that suffering was an inevitable part of living a finite mortal existence. Eventually you are going to get sick, get old, and die. Also there will be times when you don't’ get what you want or things happen to you that you don’t want. He doesn’t say life is meaningless or evil just that in life there are things that are outside of your control.

[Anonymous No.20176875]

>>20176833
Sure. But I'm really just referring to the image while putting on display an interesting difference in interpretation of existence between the occident and orient.

[Anonymous No.20176879]

>>20176571
Kill yourself. I'm not joking, slit your wrists, right now.

[Anonymous No.20176884]

>>20176879
Wheeze.

[Anonymous No.20176903]

>>20176511
I start with Bodhidharma and Huineng more than Buddha. They get to the root of the Buddha's Dharma.
And desu, I don't see that much difference with Vedanta Hinduism because they're all about nonduality. Of course there are differences with the ontological descriptions, but in general, the nondual experience is described as unfathomable and not captured with mere words (except poetry).

[Anonymous No.20176943]

What should I read first to become a Buddhist? I really want to get started on this, help guys!

[Anonymous No.20176961]

>>20176943
Read a koan and meditate on it.

[Anonymous No.20176970]

>>20176961
So do I just take a koan and think on it so hard till I tire out? Strange.

[Anonymous No.20176972]

>>20176970
>so hard till I tire out
No. You just consider it. Look at it from every angle. Understand or at least think about it until you don't want to.

[Anonymous No.20176996]

/lit/ (and from the internet in general) 'buddhists' are usually the most hateful people online. way to contracdict their own peace loving doctrine

[Anonymous No.20177009]

>>20176943
Foundations of Buddhism by Rupert Gethin if you aren't in a rush to start practicing

[Anonymous No.20177033]

>>20176943
don't even bother as the true buddhist doctrine has been lost. sectarian buddhism has conflicting ideas and is atheistic

[Anonymous No.20177045]

>>20176996
You're retarded lol. Buddhism is a fairly hateful worldview.

[Anonymous No.20177057]

>>20177045
it is not, but the fact it became doesn't mean it was originally so.

[Anonymous No.20177062]

>>20177057
Ok.

[Anonymous No.20177065]

>>20176875
your original post isn’t that clear I guess. I’m also sure it’s not possible to set up Buddha or Nietzsche/Schopenhauer as definitive standard-bearers for an east V.S comparison. Regardless take care Anon.

[Anonymous No.20177066]

>>20177062
what is your point? are you pro or anti-buddhism to claim it is hateful? i honestly can't tell

[Anonymous No.20177070]

>>20177065
I understand. Cheers, friend.
>>20177066
I'm indifferent. My point is that by modern standards it is generally considered "hateful".

[Anonymous No.20177084]

>>20176943
This is a good introduction to some of the basics. However I would caution you to be slow and just read and explore Buddhism first before deciding to convert as it were.

[Anonymous No.20177091]

>>20177070
i didn't mean hateful due to its contempt for the world or views on women. at its core it is deeply peaceful but buddha predicted the way would have been lost in 500 or 1000 years anyway so it must have become especially hateful when it was introduced to china and japan

[Anonymous No.20177096]

>>20177091
Ah, I understand what you mean now.

[Anonymous No.20177104]

>>20177070
In what sense do you find it hateful? Sure it’s not the stereotyped peace and love religion westerns think it is but I wouldn’t call it hateful. The Buddha doesn’t call for killing no believers or anything.

[Anonymous No.20177119]

>>20177070
It's just how the religion is in the west
People with deep issues are going to seek out a religion like Buddhism, it's the same with born again christians and hare krishnas although personally in my experience hare krishnas are the absolute worst

[Anonymous No.20177126]

>>20177091
I would say that modern Buddhism is probably too tolerant at least in the west. Right now there are plenty of people who call themselves Buddhist teachers who are encouraging deeply anti Buddhist teachings and get no push back.

[Anonymous No.20177153]

>>20177126
i am skeptic of any modern 'buddhist', especially western. i don't see buddhism being this nihilism it became, nor reincarnation or rebirth being an original doctrine

[Anonymous No.20177156]

>>20177119
I guess I’m not understanding your point. Though I would qualify as someone with deep issues that is attracted to Buddhism. I don’t get how that makes it hateful. Sure your always going to get spergs and E-religious nutcases who try to turn their chosen religion into an ego prop but that is on them not religion. I feel Buddhism in particular and religion in general are actually a good medicine for much of the narcissistic and hedonistic problems we face today.

[Anonymous No.20177193]

>>20177153
I don’t really put much faith in any institution either or consider myself to be a committed Buddhist. However I find that I agree with a lot of the ideas that the Buddha is said to have preached. I basically agree with the key ideas of impermanence, dukkha, non-self, and emptiness. These all seem to match what I have found for myself to be true in the real world.

[Anonymous No.20177198]

>>20177156
Well maybe I've misunderstood your posts
I assumed you meant that the energy of Buddhism online was a very hateful and angry one due to how members behaved but if you mean the doctrine itself is a hateful one separate from how Buddhists act online then idk what to say

[Anonymous No.20177225]

>>20177198
You're talking to a new guy now. I wrote >>20177096 last. I feel that we really need an ID system sometimes.

[Anonymous No.20177226]

>>20177198
Wrong guy I’m pro Buddhism and can’t think why he would call it hateful except for the fact that it denies a bunch of modern sacred cows like gender identity. Regarding hateful Buddhist online I couldn’t say except that my threshold for what I consider hate vs shitposting is very high. I see way more e-Catholic heresy posting or neopagan Christ bashing than I do Buddhist flavored shitposting.

[Anonymous No.20177257]

>>20177226
>Wrong guy I’m pro Buddhism and can’t think why he would call it hateful except for the fact that it denies a bunch of modern sacred cows like gender identity
Yeah, that's exactly it. If you look at it through a modern lens, many would find it to be a hateful worldview. Like I said, I don't care. I'm just a Traditionalist and a third positionist that likes to learn about various things and look at subjects from various points of view. I generally find Hinduism and Buddhism both valid ways to seek truth. However, I'm neither pro nor anti for both as well.

[Anonymous No.20177358]

We basically have the same positions then. The only difference is I don’t believe modern leftist opinions can be taken in good faith. If progressives want to consider no-self hateful that’s just another example of them being fanatic self-worshipers.

[Anonymous No.20177389]

>>20176833
>Buddha wasn’t depressed
The fact he couldn't believe in Love as a Universal principle, yet is prone to perform Good regardless says a lot about him as an individual

[Anonymous No.20177721]

>>20176996
nah christians ar eby far the most hateful and obnoxious people online(and in reallife) which also contradicts their doctrine

[Anonymous No.20177878]

>>20177721
Imagine thinking this in the current year. First how are you going to measure per capita hate of an ideology? Second wouldn’t the obvious winner of annoying and intolerant of other beliefs be either Islam or leftism depending on where you are. Christian have barely any influence anymore but progressive will try to make you homeless for disagreeing with them and Muslims will literally cut your head of in the street if they are offended by what you’ve said.

[Anonymous No.20178517]

>>20177721
liberal atheists by far

[Anonymous No.20179841]

>>20178517
You're going to go to your grave complaining about liberals. You're going to be a gnarled, 90-year-old man yelling and screeching about how liberals are bad.

[Anonymous No.20180016]

>>20177878
>Christian have barely any influence anymore
Well you're definitely not from burgerland or the global south

[Anonymous No.20180019]

Start with the Jeets

[Anonymous No.20180032]

>>20176879
unhinged

[Anonymous No.20180244]

>>20180019
but all that is just what they believe not really a justification for its truth

[Anonymous No.20180321]

>>20180244
Plenty of Buddhist texts argue for what is being upheld rather than merely professing it, and there is an entire scholastic tradition of different interpretors arguing with one another and against non-Buddhist positions as well

[Anonymous No.20180409]

>>20177389
>The fact he couldn't believe in Love as a Universal principle
Metta is universal love towards everyone and everything equally without putting one over another.

[Anonymous No.20180455]

>>20176943
start hitting yourself on the head with strong blunt objects

[Anonymous No.20182664]

>>20176571
schopenhauer and nietzsche by extension are just ontological navel gazers. why would you follow what they say when the buddha's teachings are wiser and help you transcend being itself?

[Anonymous No.20182982]

>>20176511
Andrés Gómez Emilsson has a philosophy that's similar to Buddhism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JomlwxRAtZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9unZn75Moo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhoqz4PEtkU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP3dCVhOnzE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrGoOlPepC8