/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20147469]

Books about nice guys getting exploited, abused and humiliated?

[Anonymous No.20147477]

>>20147469
The Idiot by Dostoyevsky
Moral of the story: A loving soul is more valuable than riches, social affirmation, or sex.

[Anonymous No.20147486]

>>20147469
whatever by hollebequeueyxg
moral of the story: women are whores who will do anything it takes to get ahead

[Anonymous No.20147490]

>>20147469
Reminder that anyone who self identifies with terms like “nice guy”, “male feminist”, “sensitive”, etc. is almost guaranteed to be a sexual predator.

Nice guys don’t fuck because “nice” guys are into date rape.

[Anonymous No.20147491]

The Maimed by Hermann Ungar
Moral of the story: God won't save you from being raped by your landlady.

[Anonymous No.20147507]

>>20147469
The Hellbound Heart by Clive Barker

Moral of the story: women value chad cock above all and will do anything for rough pounding

[Anonymous No.20147512]

>>20147469
my diary desu

[Anonymous No.20147531]

>>20147486
There's much more to whatever than this.

[Anonymous No.20147546]

>>20147490
That's true. "Nice guys" are not men who are simply kind-hearted or not abusive; they are a self-identified group who use the term as a pick-up strategy by pretending they understand women's struggles. They hear women complaining about abusive men and think they can offer an alternative by signalling beta qualities, not realising that there's nothing less attractive to women than effeminacy.

[Anonymous No.20147547]

>>20147490
Nice guys don't fuck because they're losers; anybody purposefully trying to be "nice" for their own gain is.

[Anonymous No.20147550]

>>20147469
On Human Bondage

[Anonymous No.20147571]

>>20147469
Jude the Obscure

[Anonymous No.20147587]

>>20147469

[Anonymous No.20147602]

As a man grows older by Svevo

[Anonymous No.20147617]

>>20147546
I think there’s a very fine line between a self-identified “nice guy” and an incel. The only real difference is how they deal with rejection. The former will simply adopt more insidious forms of emotional manipulation, while the latter will withdraw from the sexual marketplace entirely. Aside from the odd school shooter, women probably have more to fear from a nice guy than they do from an incel.

[Anonymous No.20147780]

>>20147490
Nice try slut, but he said just "nice guys", not "self-identified as "nice guys"".

[Anonymous No.20147810]

>>20147469
sorry chad, in the real world the incel gets the girl

[Anonymous No.20147818]

>>20147810
What the fuck is this

[Anonymous No.20147820]

>>20147818
my future /lit/ gf

[Anonymous No.20147828]

>>20147810
>nazi crypto
kek. maybe I should whitelist 4chan for adblock

[Anonymous No.20147844]

>>20147780
They’re literally the same thing. No one is calling you a nice guy, you’re the one getting humiliated and trying to cope by thinking “woe is me, I’m such a nice man, I don’t deserve this!”.

[Anonymous No.20147865]

I wish i weren't a weakling and a coward. You can't just destroy cowardice of yours. I mean, am i doomed to be somebody who everyone walks over and girls immediately know not to engage with and even mock?

[Anonymous No.20147905]

Just stop being a nice guy.
I recommend No More Mr. Nice Guy

[Anonymous No.20147919]

>>20147810
Wow, a real life girl browses here? and she's a tiktok zoomer? crazy...
Do you think any hot girls browse here? Not interested in femcels.

[Anonymous No.20147929]

>>20147919
this board has one of the higher femoid populations on this website. mostly the spergy femcel types and pick mes like the one in that webm.

[Anonymous No.20147936]

>>20147929
Disgusting

[Anonymous No.20147998]

>>20147477
>>20147469
I was going to say The Brothers Karamazov.

Alyosha is the nice guy on a road to God. He is the happiest of an unhappy bunch through love. Dimitri is you typical anger Chad. Fyodor, the dad, is your typical drug addict. Ivan is your atheist intellectual Redditor. Smerdyakov is your incel psychopath.

Two of them are fighting over a woman. In the end, the book is a powerful argument for the journey towards grace.

The problem is that a lot of "nice guys" aren't nice, they are just betas with inferiority/superiority complexes, and major Madonna/Whore complexes.

A huge part of the Black Pill community has legit anti-social personality disorders/psychopathy. Not all or maybe most, but a meaningful minority.

They see all human relationships as inheritly transactional and based on manipulation. Their "dating strategies" are all about manipulation. They can't understand why people might actually feel affection for one another. If a woman chooses a guy, it has to be either to bask in his reflected status, or because "her hole is soaking for Chad."

The focus on immediate sexual gratification driving behavior is also a trait of sociopaths. They don't understand long term empathic motivation.

These guys aren't charming, so they use the internet to cultivate the attention and ability to manipulate they crave. You see the illness most in people gushing over mass shooters and "muh Supreme Gentleman."

Notes from The Underground is a good book for that sort of mindset.

[Anonymous No.20148012]

>>20147998
>The focus on immediate sexual gratification driving behavior is also a trait of sociopaths
Tell that to the freudians

[Anonymous No.20148028]

>>20147998
alyosha's world rejects all women a priori

[Anonymous No.20148029]

>>20147998
Also, major detachment from reality. Like 94% of men have had sex by 30. Women are only 2% above men.

This, they say, is lies. But marriage licenses show 81% of men have been married at least once since 40. So the incel needs to double down on the absurd claim that tons of people get married and never have sex.

You have the one survey showing a huge jump in males having no sex relative to females. It's a big story, it hits the news circuit. Problem is, the other major sex surveys didn't see the jump. Then, when the next round of that study came out, women had pulled much closer to men.

The incel community rejects all information counter to their claims but then holds any evidence supporting it as absolute.

[Anonymous No.20148030]

>>20147998
>They see all human relationships as inheritly transactional and based on manipulation
How the fuck are they wrong?

[Anonymous No.20148036]

>>20147490
>>20147546
>>20147547
so what does a phrase "nice guy" actually means in english?
In direct translation to my language that could be someone who still thinks all women are whores, but is just fun to have a drink with. But in english it seems to be like simp in zoomerspeak, but not quite.

[Anonymous No.20148039]

>>20147998
Also Notes is probably also a jab at Dostoe's former socialist Colleagues and also serving as social commentary. To compare that with people who "gush over" mass shooters is pretty dumb, especially when he says stuff like this:
"Have you ever noticed that he most refined shedders of blood have been almost always the most highly civilized gentlemen, to whom all the various Attilas and Stenka Razins could not have held a candle? –and if they are not so outstanding as Attila and Stenka Razin, it is because they are too often met with, too ordinary, too familiar. At least, if civilization has not made man more bloodthirsty, it has certainly made him viler in his thirst for blood than he was before."

[Anonymous No.20148048]

>>20148030
If you don't know, you're probably a sociopath, unironically.

[Anonymous No.20148054]

>>20148036
"Nice guy" is a term for a male who tries to appear "sensitive", "kind", and understanding of women's struggles, usually in order to get into their knickers.
They arose out of a reaction to women complaining about macho "jerks" who abuse them. The nice guy sees this as an opportunity to show that he's "not like other guys" but actually respects women.

[Anonymous No.20148059]

>>20147998
>Reddit spacing
>gaslighting bullshit
Everytime

[Anonymous No.20148064]

>>20147469
There is nothing wrong with nice guys except that they are anachronistic. They act as if they still live in a society which existed 100 years ago and earlier. Being nice has no value in contemporary society because no value is ascribed to normative behavior in modern society. The sexual and dating market resembles the capitalist market. Ie to attract money one always needs to already have a surplus of capital in order to produce and derive benefits from capitalization which is a self reinforcing exponential loop where the more you have, the more you are given by already having a lot. The same holds true in the dating market, only by being already desireable can you become yet more desireable. Putting effort into becoming desireable is like trying to become rich through labor rather than capital accumulation - fruitless. Nice guys function by the belief that labor is still relevant. In reality one should ask himself "what must I do to become wanted" and that usually involves either an aesthetic look (bad option since its largely genetically predetermined) or access to social capital (parties, drugs, lavish locations etc. or the capital to procure the relevant lifestyle). When one becomes desireable in this sense, then he need not bother about being nice or not or his personality since the accumulation of social capital by itself will make him desireable and when he is desireable that will in its own make him yet more desireable, which the discerning reader will understand is the exact same movement as capital accumulation in the strictly financial/monetary sense. Nice guys are like workers at a corporation who think that by working harder and being honest will result in the lifestyle they want. In modern society you either play the game or drop out. Nice guys are simply deluded about the realities of the dating and sexual market.

[Anonymous No.20148070]

>>20148036
When most people use the term “nice guy” they’re essentially being ironic. It has a separate meaning to its literal definition which is something along the lines of “I’m not like the other guys, I’m feminist/progressive/sensitive etc.” in an desperate attempt to get inside women’s pants. It rarely works tho, just think about the number of women who will use the line “you’re a nice guy, but…” to reject a man making advances on her.

[Anonymous No.20148086]

>>20148064
I am speaking of course of normal nice guys not those who suck up to women in order to get laid, but normal honest hard working men. In reality these men approach women very openly in their honesty and try to put the strength of their character and relatively normative behavior in front of their romantic interests, completely clueless about the realities of the dating market. They think women will react in the sense of "oh this guy is nice and honest and normal, how refreshing" but in reality all women can think of is "this guy just doesn't get it. He doesn't understand social reality" and get turned off by it.

[Anonymous No.20148121]

Outdated meme from the 00s, I haven't heard anyone describe themselves as a "nice guy" for decades

[Anonymous No.20148122]

>>20148064
>>20148086
Simple solution: Go to church (there are more religious women than men), find a Christian girl who wants to get married, have 6+ kids together.
If you go on Tinder and stuff where it's a ratio of 9 men for every 1 woman, then of course you're going to get blackpilled.

[Anonymous No.20148135]

>>20147469
https://youtu.be/1USRZ98PV7s

You should be nice anyway:)

[Anonymous No.20148136]

A short story OP would like: The Feminist by Tony Tulathimutte

https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-35/fiction-drama/the-feminist/

[Anonymous No.20148137]

>>20148122
Are you implying that church girls don't get fucked before marriage? Lmao. Sure, she'll give in to parental pressure and marry some compliant guy from the christian community, but you'll hardly find a decent looking virgin even there.

[Anonymous No.20148143]

>>20148136
>Tony Tulathimutte
Isn't he a feminist?

[Anonymous No.20148151]

>>20148048
Not an arcument

[Anonymous No.20148156]

>>20148137
>Are you implying that church girls don't get fucked before marriage?
Nobody implied that, stop derailing the thread with your dishonest cuckposting

[Anonymous No.20148157]

>>20148122
Ive seen religious girls losing their minds and going legit fucking nuts over a Chad compared to sluts because they struggle so bad to repress their sexual feelings.

[Anonymous No.20148163]

>>20148137
You can always move to Yemen

[Anonymous No.20148171]

>>20148059
If this is gaslighting to you you are deranged

[Anonymous No.20148172]

>>20148163
Holy BASED

[Anonymous No.20148185]

>>20148157
>repress their sexual feelings.
nobody who says this has anything worthwhile to say

[Anonymous No.20148194]

>>20147469
The OP's image is interesting because what the shirt says is not that nice guys literally can't fuck but that they are unaware of social reality that would allow them to "fuck". In the same sense, it could have said "nice guys can't make money" (meaning millions) because they are not able to exist in a social reality where this is possible. The girl in OP is referring to this lack of penetrative ability, the ability to penetrate into the world and assume power rather than powerlessness. It is in this expanded sense that nice guys can't "fuck". Women are by their very nature already always initiated into this social structure, but a man must penetrate into it. And a man that cannot penetrate it symbolically cannot penetrate physically either.