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[Anonymous No.20131276]

>over 5k pages total
>very slim chance of ever being finished
>some books don't even have the interesting characters (Tyrion, Snow, Dany) and only focus on the secondary ones (!!!)
Give it to me straight, is it worth it to read this shit? I'm near the end of the first book and I'm liking it, but that's because most POW characters are interesting.

In the fourth book there are like 3 Greyjoy pow characters, and no Snow/Dany/Tyrion?? Really? Who gives a fuck about the Greyjoys??

[Anonymous No.20131291]

>>20131276
>the interesting characters
>(Tyrion, Snow, Dany)

[Anonymous No.20131308]

>>20131291
>liking certain characters is soi
If we want to play that game, Arya is the reddit one.

[Anonymous No.20131309]

>>20131276
Ok so the first couple or maybe three books up to storm of swords are good, then it becomes hot garbage real fast

[Anonymous No.20131315]

>>20131276
Daenerys is probably the most boring character. The Greyjoy POVS are pretty interesting. There was this one with a battle upon a boat and the Greyjoy Captain fought some high garden knight who presumably drowns in his armor. Good chapter

[Anonymous No.20131319]

>>20131309
How so? Does the style worsen?

[Anonymous No.20131328]

>>20131315
>The Greyjoy POVS are pretty interesting
I hope so, but isn't it a bit weird to spend 2k pages building up certain characters and then just abandon them for 1k pages?

[Anonymous No.20131345]

>>20131328
Yes, but I happened to like that aspect of the book. It is very all over the place, but somehow he manages to tie everything together. Personally I enjoy the book having a loose form, and even some chapters may seem a little out of place but they are still good. They read well in their own. It isn’t necessarily necessary for the story but for some reason I enjoy it. I will admit though, dance with dragons was a little hard to get through. But there are very interesting plots like when there is a plot to marry a son to Daenerys, I don’t want to spoil. Also the Myrcella kidnapping is very interesting.

[Anonymous No.20131372]

>>20131345
You seem to know your stuff. Do you think GRRM has painted himself into a corner and now can't get all his loose thread resolved? Or is he simply fat and lazy?

[Anonymous No.20131390]

>>20131319
it becomes meandering and unfocused

[Anonymous No.20131391]

>>20131315
>Daenerys is probably the most boring character.
After watching the show I'd have agreed, but in the book I'm really liking her slow coming of age, her transformation from meek and frightened child to a young woman who has power and who's starting to realize it. Her coolness as she watches Viserys die is a great bit of character development.

[Anonymous No.20131396]

>>20131390
That's exactly what I feared looking at the list of POW characters. That fat faggot really starts to focus only on minor ones and to ignore the main plot, doesn't he?

[Anonymous No.20131421]

>>20131372
I think he writes too many plot points, and now it will be very hard to end the series in two books without rushing it. The show did not have two Aegon Targaryens(Jon Snow and Young Griff), 20 more POV characters, the Bastard that steals the entire Lannister fleet, the Manderly rebellion arc, and the extended Jamie Lannister arc. Also the Golden Company works for the second Aegon, Young Griff, and I believe is attempting to take over the Baratheon Storm’s End. There is also a Gerold Dayne, who is a Knight that tries to kill Myrcella, and apparently knows a story altering secret that is supposed to be revealed. So there is a lot and I have no clue how the story will end.

[Anonymous No.20131424]

I don't get why people don't like a feast for crows

[Anonymous No.20131431]

the Greyjoys are one of the best part in the entire series

[Anonymous No.20131436]

>>20131424
Presumably because most of their favorite characters are absent. Imagine waiting for years to know how their story progresses and in the end the fat fuck tells you "Lol no. Wait X more years and thanks for the money".

[Anonymous No.20131440]

>>20131436
It has Jaime, Cersei, Brienne, Arya, Sansa and Samwell though

[Anonymous No.20131446]

>>20131396
Yes exactly. The quality takes a nosedive after ASOS and never recovers

[Anonymous No.20131448]

>>20131308
>Arya is the reddit one
cringe. Tyrion is pure reddit. He even has a reddit sense of humor.

[Anonymous No.20131452]

>>20131396
Not really true. Feast focuses on different characters but Dance focuses on the main ones. Both books take place roughly during the same time frame.

[Anonymous No.20131462]

>>20131276
Yes it's worth it and the Greyjoy shit is some of the most fun in the series. I love the Kingsmoot. I also love all the Dorne stuff.
Everyone hates when the plot starts opening up beyond the starting characters but for me it's when the quality kicks into overdrive. Books 4 and 5 are when we start seeing the real players of the game step out of the shadows. We learn the long term plots of Varys and Littlefinger. And unlike the show they actually make sense. Dorne comes into play. Euro Greyjoy has a plan of his own. If Winds ever comes out we'll finally get to learn what the Citadel's and Braavos's real agendas are.
All these players were just waiting for the inevitable chaos of the usurpers reign ending to make their move after the big powers had exhausted themselves infighting.

[Anonymous No.20131474]

>>20131462
Ok that sounds cool. The scope of this series is frankly staggering, for all its faults. It's as if that fat faggot decided to add one more character and one more plotline everytime he ate a twinkie.

[Anonymous No.20131477]

>>20131440
And pretty much nobody considers them their favorite characters, apart from maybe Arya and Jaime. The fan favorites are Jon, Dany and Tyrion.

[Anonymous No.20131480]

>>20131440
Jaime's arc was kino, Brienne was kinda meh

[Anonymous No.20131482]

>>20131308
I like Stannis and Arya.

[Anonymous No.20131488]

Stannis is the true king btw. Targaryens were dethroned so Dany can fuck off

[Anonymous No.20131517]

>>20131482
>Arya

[Anonymous No.20131522]

>>20131488
LEAVE MY YASS KHALEESI SLAY ALONE!!!!!1!

[Anonymous No.20131527]

>>20131517
she actually had a cool arc while she was endlessly roaming around the river lands. shame they cut that from the show

[Anonymous No.20131531]

>>20131517
She's basically a ninja who belongs to a cool organization. Certainly better than her brainless simple sister.

[Anonymous No.20131598]

>>20131531
But Sansa is so rapeable. The scene where she starts to enjoy being beaten and whipped by the Hound and comes against her will got me so hard.

[Anonymous No.20131620]

>>20131276
Starts a bit slow but books 2 and 3 are great. Storm of Swords is particularly good, just a crescendo of climax after climax from everything set up in the first two and a half books.

The later books aren't bad, they just start to feel aimless. He keeps adding characters but then the plot begins moving very slow. After the climax of the first three books you now have this new level of set up, which would have been ok if it didn't peter out in a million different directions.

>>20131291
>>20131308
I cannot fathom anyone who has actually read these books not thinking Bran chapters are by far and away the most boring.

Tyrion chapters have tons of good plot points.

I'd rank them
>Jamie
>Davos
>John Snow
>Sansa / Tyrion tie
>Danny/Arrya tie
>Ned
>Theon
>Catelyn
>Brianne
>Sam
>power gap
>Bran

Although Victarion might be near the very top of he had more chapters, but he's not even in enough to list

[Anonymous No.20131623]

>>20131620
>Victarion
Nigga sounds like a dragon. You're getting me curious.

[Anonymous No.20131634]

>>20131620
agreed on Bran although I would rank Theon higher

[Anonymous No.20131672]

>>20131620
>Davos in 2nd place
Really? His chapters are that interesting?

[Anonymous No.20131808]

>>20131672
All the Stannis stuff is good. IDK, I haven't read them in a long time.

[Anonymous No.20131830]

>>20131620
>this entire post

[Anonymous No.20131860]

>>20131830
NO U

[Anonymous No.20132372]

>>20131276
>Give it to me straight, is it worth it to read this shit?
Yeah, it's one of the best fantasy series.

[Anonymous No.20132383]

i havent even read this series LMAO HAHAHA

[Anonymous No.20132401]

I don't think it's worth reading. I found it incredibly boring and I cared about almost none of the characters, which made it hard to even remember all their names and relations. Anything could have happened in the book and I just wouldn't have cared.

[Anonymous No.20132406]

>>20131620
>Prologues
>Davos
>Theon
>Jamie
>Victarion and Aeron Greyjoys
>Tyrion
>Brianne

>power gap

>John Snow
>Arya
>Sansa
>Ned
>Danny
>Bran
>Catelyn
>Barristan
>Asha Greyjoy

>power gap

>Sam

>Power gap

>Jon Connington
>Arianne and Quentyn Martell

The Martell chapters are so boring that you even forgot that they have like, 4 each,

[Anonymous No.20132481]

>>20131462
Based book 4 and 5 enjoyer

[Anonymous No.20132492]

>>20131462
>We learn the long term plots of Varys
Does he actually have one?

>and Littlefinger
Does he actually have one?

>Euro Greyjoy has a plan of his own
Does he actually have one?

Because my impression was that none of them have any actual long-term plans, they just do what seems to most benefit them right now at this moment and adapt to circumstances - which is why they thrive on muh cHaOsIsAlAdDeR. Except for Littlefinger who seems to have been subsumed completely by his Sansa boner by the book plot cutoff point.

[Anonymous No.20133076]

>>20131308
The whole series and author are reddit tier. You can't read this series and not be considered otherwise.

[Anonymous No.20133198]

>>20131276
Finish series
>Get forgotten or worse cancelled for some throwaway line or character
Don't finish series
>Stay relevant because everyone is talking about/imagining what you'll write which is more satisfying that what you could actually write.

[Anonymous No.20133497]

>>20132492
Varys wants to put the Targaryen (Blackfyre?) dinasty back on the Iron Throne, as he believes this is for the best of the people.
Littlefinger plans to give Sansa control over the Reach and North (probably) and then rule through her (I guess?). It's still vague what his precise endgame is, but his selfish ends act as a foil for Varys' selfless efforts.
Euron, as far as we can tell, plans to ascend to the level of eldritch god.

[Anonymous No.20133535]

>>20131276
Well not surprising, GRRM calls himself a gardener writer, i.e. someone incapable of planning his wok.

[Anonymous No.20133545]

>>20131276
>Give it to me straight, is it worth it to read this shit?
No it’s not unless you’re about 14. Adults shouldn’t be reading garbage like this anyway but obviously it’s not worth reading something plot-based like this if the plot won’t ever be finished

[Anonymous No.20133548]

>>20131276
>who gives a fuck about the Greyjoys
you will once you heed favor to KING EURON

[Anonymous No.20133603]

>>20132383
What a boss.

[Anonymous No.20133617]

>>20133076
>le reddit
Shut the fuck up, you're just an edgy kid trying to fit in with le 4channel culture.

[Anonymous No.20133626]

>>20133548
Look at this weak necked faggot. I could punch him on his left side and he wouldn't even see me coming. I could obliterate him with one hit. God why are Greyjoys so pathetic?

[Anonymous No.20133657]

>>20133548
God the show butchered Euron so badly. Dude went from a fucking eldritch shipmaster to "CoCkS LOL!" "Fuck pussy"

[Anonymous No.20133690]

>>20133657
We don't talk about *that* "Euron"

[Anonymous No.20133704]

>who cares about Greyjoys

I want an entire spinoff of VICTARION GREYJOY sailing the Dothraki sea.

[Anonymous No.20133752]

>>20131319
3rd book is when Martin decided to switch from a trilogy to 7 so it's a bunch of padded nothingness

[Anonymous No.20133761]

For me this saga of books were my Harry Potter of my childhood
But yeah the quality plunders after book 3

[Anonymous No.20133816]

>>20131276
> Give it to me straight, is it worth it to read this shit?
No. Drop it now. It’s literally been a decade since the last book came out, and the end of the HBO show was awful. GRRM will never release another book in this series. He has written himself into a corner with a bloated and overly inflated plot and cast of characters. The hype is already dying. There is no way to make a satisfying ending to this series. GRRM is an edgy nihilistic atheist whose ‘gray on gray’ morality and desire to never have goodness prevail in any way prevents him from writing a satisfying ending. It’s a boring series about fat pink masts, Myrish swamps and sitting in the grass shitting brown water.

[Anonymous No.20133839]

>>20131276
Daenarys is the worst POV character, followed closely by Jon. You have shit taste, my man.

[Anonymous No.20133903]

>>20133497
Imo Varys is talking a load of bullshit about protecting the people. He's right there when Catelyn tells Littlefinger that Tyrion tried to kill Bran, he knows it's bullshit, he knows it's going to escalate to war and he lets it happen. My take is Varys and Illyrio are a team, as they've always been and they're chiefly interested in getting rich. Their interest in fAegon is probably that he's Illyrio's son by Serra, who was probably a Blackfyre.

[Anonymous No.20133918]

>>20133816
>sitting in the grass shitting brown water
Let's say, hypothetically, that that was my exact fetish.
What then?

[Anonymous No.20134003]

>>20133918
then, hypothetically, you'd be reading with perpetual blue balls that will finish in disappointment because that happens once in one of the very last chapters of the very last book.

[Anonymous No.20134006]

>>20134003
You don't get it. The edging is the best part. It's about the trip, not the destination.

[Anonymous No.20135059]

Daenerys is the most annoying character. The most interesting characters are Victarion and Aeron

[Anonymous No.20135099]

The best books in the series are books 4 and 5, unironically. They are huge pleb filters.

[Anonymous No.20135101]

>>20133497
>Varys wants to put the Targaryen (Blackfyre?) dinasty back on the Iron Throne, as he believes this is for the best of the people.
For someone who values Targs, Varys did exactly Jack and Shit for preventing or stopping Robert's Rebellion.

I also refuse to believe that anyone who:
1. Served under Aerys "Spittin' Fyre" the Second.
2. Knows about the Dance of the Dragons.
3. Knows that Dany has them Mother Fucking dragons.
4. Has a brain.
...can consider Targs to be "good for the people".

I think he just serves as a good spymaster to whatever king, but always keeps his hands in every hugeass threat that looms over the Kingdoms so that whoever wins, he always comes out on top.

>It's still vague
>Euron, as far as we can tell, plans to ascend to the level of eldritch god.
So, nothing, eh?

[Anonymous No.20135103]

>>20135099
Also I would recommend doing the combined book 4 and 5 reading order to read them simultaneously. It makes the linear events of both easier to follow.

[Anonymous No.20135105]

>>20133903
>My take is Varys and Illyrio are a team, as they've always been and they're chiefly interested in getting rich.
1. Illyrio already has more money than he knows what to do with.
2. Varys knows that secrets cost more than gold, and that power is the real power. He doesn't simp for the coin.

[Anonymous No.20135106]

>>20135059
I hate Daenerys as a character but I enjoy her chapters because of the world building of the pseudo-Egyptian/Assyrian world she rules over.

[Anonymous No.20135127]

>>20131276
Victarion's chapters might be the best part of book 4. Aeron, eh, but the Kingsmoot is good. Euron is a effective villain.

[Anonymous No.20135131]

>>20133198

>Stay relevant because everyone is talking about/imagining what you'll write which is more satisfying that what you could actually write.

Want a redpill? This was actually his plan all along. He even reveals it in the title and has dropped hints at it in the series itself.

A "song" in the classical medieval sense is not a musical song, but a snapshot in time. Like the Bayeux tapestry, it tells a story of a certain moment in history and ends in an arbitrary spot abruptly.

GRRM has been trying to subvert fantasy tropes since day one in that it should be a story of "good vs. evil" or have a "satisfying ending." He's trying to show, at the expense of pissing off a lot of normies, that stories don't get wrapped up with a nice pretty bow in the real world. Some peoples' stories end prematurely, some peoples' stories go on long after the main story is over.

He may write book 6, but I will be shocked if he actually finishes the series. And he probably has it in his will for it to not be finished if he dies.

[Anonymous No.20135143]

>>20135103
>the combined book 4 and 5 reading order to read them simultaneously
How would one go about doing that, m'lord? One chapter of one and one of the other?

[Anonymous No.20135147]

>>20135131
>no you see, it was intentional, GRRM is a mastermind
Nice try, GRRM. Finish the fucking book, you fat fuck.

[Anonymous No.20135150]

>>20135143
Some guy autistically figured out a good reading order that combines both books. And there are no spoilers because the timelines overlap.

https://boiledleather.tumblr.com/post/25902554148/a-new-readerfriendly-combined-reading-order-for-a

I read it first in the published order and then on my second reread a few years later I read it in this order and it flows so much better.

[Anonymous No.20135166]

>>20132492
>Euron
Did you read? His plan is pretty clear: Victarion is going to dominate Daenarys's dragons using the Dragonbinder and thereby cajole or more likely force her back to Westeros where she will marry Euron, making him the rightful king. His Iron Fleet is poised to play an instrumental role in breaking the siege on Meereen, which should earn Dany's gratitude or at least trust.
I think Euron intends for a crewmember to blow the horn, and die in the process, but have it somehow neutralize the dragons. Because presumably if the blower invariably dies, the dragons can't be under his control.
But Victarion found Moqorro in the ocean who's now effectively his vizier. He's convinced he will be able to blow the horn himself, be revived by the Red God, making him the master of the dragons, and allowing him to take Daenarys for himself and become king.

[Anonymous No.20135187]

>>20135166
Also, Victarion wants to do this because Euron raped his wife and Victarion subsequently beat her to death. So he wants to cuck him back. He is probably going to die horribly. Dany is going to return from her diarrhea escapades on the back of Drogon with a new Dothraki horde under her command and break the siege herself, which would make Victarion another enemy when he tries to take the dragons.

[Anonymous No.20135197]

>>20135101
Varys doesn't give a shit about Targs, what he wants is a good and just king. That's why he's had Aegon raised to be a good and just king since he was a baby and all his plans are built around putting him on the throne.
Littlefinger is doing the same thing but with the eventual goal of becoming king himself, probably by marrying Sansa once Harry the Heir has outlived his usefulness.
They make a great contrast to each other because Varys's intentions are noble and Littlefingers are entirely selfish but yet they result in the same thing: suffering for the common people.

[Anonymous No.20135200]

>>20135187
ACTUALLY I just realized Euron probably knew Victarion would find Moqorro and will blow the horn himself. He's been drinking shade of the evening for years so he has precognition. Victarion is going to get cucked again.

[Anonymous No.20135211]

>>20135103
This is terrible advice. The one great thing about splitting it into two books is that he used it to setup a lot of suspense in book 5 with stuff we "know" happens from book 4, like Davos's execution as the most noticable but he does it with a lot of things.
It's great.

[Anonymous No.20135229]

>>20135150
>the power of weaponized autism.
Many thanks, M'lord.

[Anonymous No.20135238]

>>20135200
All of Euron's gifts are poisoned

[Anonymous No.20135241]

>>20135166
The dragons fall under the control of whoever "owns" the horn, regardless of who blows it.
Moqorro however told him of this and (supposedly) did the rituals to make the horn belong to Victarin instead of Euron. He still plans on having a random crew mate blow the horn for him.

>>20135200
This is very possible. I don't think he can really see the future, at least not beyond some confusing visions like Danny saw on the same drug, but he definitely has some kind of ace up his sleeve.

[Anonymous No.20135249]

>>20131620
the last bran chapter is genuinely the best written chapter in the series

[Anonymous No.20135293]

>>20135241
>The dragons fall under the control of whoever "owns" the horn, regardless of who blows it.
>Moqorro however told him of this and (supposedly) did the rituals to make the horn belong to Victarin instead of Euron. He still plans on having a random crew mate blow the horn for him.
Ah, thank you for clarifying.
About shade, I agree with you, it shows you dreamlike visions that have truth in them but you have to interpret.
I'm flip flopping on this. Euron is utterly self-possessed, and Aeron's shade visions show him on the Iron Throne. But maybe he doesn't need the dragons to get his ass there for a short time, and Dany will come in and burn him later.
On the other hand, I tend to think the power of the Red God is greater than shade, which is just a drug. Victarion is in a good position. I don't know what's going to happen.
This is the kind of thing that makes people anticipate the next book so much.

[Anonymous No.20135299]

>>20135105
You don't get rich looking out for the common good, just saying. If you think Varys and Illyrio wanted to spend 18 years manipulating international politics and grooming this child of mysterious heritage for kingship for the good of the smallfolk on another continent then I've got some beach front property in Valyria to sell you.

[Anonymous No.20135315]

>>20135197
>Varys doesn't give a shit about Targs, what he wants is a good and just king.
1. If he wanted that, he could've simply maintained a proper rule through Robert the Deadbeat while the latter was getting shitfaced, instead of allowing literally everyone to throatfuck the Kingdoms.
2. He knows what "a truly just man" is - he's well acquainted with Stannis. Carys would know that the first thing a king with even a moderate sense of justice would do is ordering his execution.
3. The only truly good, kind and just man who has an opinion of Varys that we know of is Barristan Selmy, and he absolutely couldn't stand the guy.

I think Varys has a much more upstanding character than most characters in the series, but you put too much weight into his proclamations of altruism. He doesn't champion the helpless and the victims - he just identifies with them, being a victim from his birth, but he wouldn't pt their interests before his own. Dude lies like a motherfucker.

>Littlefinger is doing the same thing but with the eventual goal of becoming king himself
Despite all the Sansa bullshit, I don't think we ever had any indication of Littlefinger being that retarded.

[Anonymous No.20135320]

>>20135299
>You don't get rich looking out for the common good, just saying.
Obviously. I just think them doing it for the money is a poor-ass explanation, even worse than "people's well-being".

[Anonymous No.20135366]

>>20135197
>what he wants is a good and just king
Varys buys child slaves by the dozen and cuts their tongues out. He straight up spells out that the idea that kings have very much power is wrong and really they're reliant on their financial backing which is where the real power lies. He wants fAegon for the same reason Tywin wants Tommen, grooming him to be good and just isn't about helping anyone it's about making him sellable.

[Anonymous No.20135374]

>>20133497
>Varys wants to put the Targaryen (Blackfyre?) dinasty back on the Iron Throne, as he believes this is for the best of the people.
I highly doubt that Varys does what he does for the people. Its more likely that he and Illyrio have a personal stake in fAegon becoming king (I like the theory that he's the son of Illyrio and Saera, who herself was a blackfyre) and raising him to be a good one is just an angle to their plan. If just having a good king is what he was after, he wouldn't have turned Aerys against Rhaegar in the first place.

[Anonymous No.20135418]

just do it like the TV series and write you own ending

[Anonymous No.20135494]

>>20135101
he's friends with illyrio who wants to put aegon "actually a blackfyre" targaryen on the throne because illyrio's wife was maybe a blackfyre and he loved her.

basically varys blows up way too much shit to really care about anything but wanting to help illyrio. all of the "for the realm" stuff is a smokescreen.

[Anonymous No.20135540]

>>20131276
The first three books are pretty great, but the last two aren't very good.
It honestly feels like the publishers stopped editing GRRM because they trusted him too much. A lot of his weird fetish stuff gets in and most of it is super bloated.
The only part I really liked about the last two was Jamie's story.

[Anonymous No.20135623]

>>20135540
>The first three books are pretty great, but the last two aren't very good.
They are marginally worse than the first three and only because of structure.

[Anonymous No.20135652]

Is it just me or did the whole plot around Robert's bastards just drop suddenly?

[Anonymous No.20135826]

>>20131315
>>20135059
>>20135106
why do so many people hate daenerys? she's not my favorite character, but she's far from my least. i can see getting frustrated with her chapters given how disconnected they are from the rest of the characters, but she's got some great chapters like the house of the undying, and i enjoyed most of the stuff with drogo and the dothraki.

[Anonymous No.20135829]

>>20135293
Perhaps Euron will marry Cersei and sit the iron throne for a hot second.
Except I think Cersei is going to blow up the Sept with wildfire, but this will incite a peasant revolt much like what transpired during the dance of dragons, and the castle will be stormed. I think at this point fAegon will march in and take the throne, just like what happened after the dance of dragons revolt. GRRM likes him his history repeating.

But perhaps Cersei escapes, and finds herself marrying Euron in the hopes of retaking the throne. Euron will likely die before ever sitting the throne, but it could be said it was his.

[Anonymous No.20136046]

>>20131276
Ned's chapters were the best. Fuck, I miss him so much bros.

[Anonymous No.20136237]

>>20133617
t. redditor

[Anonymous No.20136249]

Torn between just reading all the books now or waiting until release date of Winds is closer or just out. What should I do?

[Anonymous No.20136264]

>>20136249
Read them now so you have time to dream.
Gotta read Fire & Blood after too.
I also recommend reading Dunk & Egg in release order. Hedge Knight after Game of Thrones, Sworn Sword after Storm, and Mystery Knight after Feast.

[Anonymous No.20136282]

>>20136264
I own F&B, a knight of the seven kingdoms, and world of ice and fire. Was gonna start by reading through World. So I read F&B after the main series?

[Anonymous No.20136289]

>>20136282
Yes I recommend publication order.
World is a reference book, I would just turn to it when you want to know more about something.

[Anonymous No.20136326]

>>20136249
Winds in never getting released. And if you like Crusader Kings II, there's a great ASOIAF mod for it. It's arguably better than the base game.

[Anonymous No.20136335]

>>20136249
Winds probably won't ever be published. Dream certainly will never be written. It's an enjoyable book series, but you'll have to go in knowing that it's for the ride and not the destination.

[Anonymous No.20136357]

>>20136335
>>20136326
Realistically I can see winds being released but I'm not sure if GRRM knows what life expectancy means if he thinks spring will be published.

[Anonymous No.20136376]

>>20136335
>>20136326
Delusional
>>20136249
Yeah just start reading it now

[Anonymous No.20136606]

>>20136046
I miss reading them for the first time, the look and feel of those huge paperbacks. Referring back index to try and get a grasp on all the characters, feeling like it was hard to remember them all, until it clicked and I knew all of them offhand. That world in my imagination was so different while reading books 1 and 2 than it is now. I would have dreams about it.

[Anonymous No.20136610]

>>20136606
It’s always nice to see someone new liking game of thrones. Like that one anon from /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.20136638]

>>20136606
>>20136610
For reference
>>20136192

[Anonymous No.20136640]

>>20136249
Well you avoided three long waits, two half a decade long, and one a decade (although at that point it's not really waiting, cause you let it go at some point).
Honestly it might be another five years or more before Winds is finished. I wouldn't put it past him. He worked in TV early in his career and didn't make it big, so now is his chance and he's getting in that ass. But it's surely not going to be longer than that, ha ha, right?
>>20136264
Is Fire and Blood actually worth reading? I liked World of Ice and Fire, lots of juicy lore in there.

[Anonymous No.20136675]

Something tells me that GRRM intends to use Euron to tie up most plot-threads regarding the supernatural aspects of the story.

Would it work?

[Anonymous No.20136708]

>>20136675
What do you have in mind? He's definitely iconoclastic but I don't know how for example he would reveal what Rhollor is or how his power works exactly. I could see him knowing something about necromancy.

[Anonymous No.20136734]

>>20131620
I dunno, I think Bran's chapters will get a lot more interesting when he rapes Meera in Hodor's body

[Anonymous No.20136843]

>At the edge of the wolfswood, Bran turned in his basket for one last glimpse of the castle that had been his life. Wisps of smoke still rose into the grey sky, but no more than might have risen from Winterfell's chimneys on a cold autumn afternoon. Soot stains marked some of the arrow loops, and here and there a crack or a missing merlon could be seen in the curtain wall, but it seemed little enough from this distance. Beyond, the tops of the keeps and towers still stood as they had for hundreds of years, and it was hard to tell that the castle had been sacked and burned at all. The stone is strong, Bran told himself, the roots of the trees go deep, and under the ground the Kings of Winter sit their thrones. So long as those remained, Winterfell remained. It was not dead, just broken. Like me, he thought. I'm not dead either.

[Anonymous No.20136940]

>>20136843
GRRM will go down as one of the all time great prose writers. No bullshit. Don't care what the elitists on here say.
>inb4 she shat so much
That is good writing. Perfectly depicts the hopelessness of dying in the desert.

[Anonymous No.20137545]

>>20136675
God, Euron is so fucking weak. I could hit him from his left side and he wouldn't even see me coming. Why are Greyjoys so weak?

[Anonymous No.20137557]

>>20135826
>why do so many people hate daenerys?
It's not that she's a terrible person - it's that she's a terrible person with tremendous delusions of grandeur, which makes her intensely unlikable. At the same time, she is a young, hot and naive girl, so we are primed to like her, but end up disliking her instead.

This conflicted feeling is a real furnace for emotional investment in the story, GRRM did literally nothing wrong about her.

[Anonymous No.20137573]

>>20135826
Because she let Daario fuck her in the eyes and ears

[Anonymous No.20137578]

It’s been a while since I’ve read them so I forget a lot of names. I’d least thought it would make sense if the leader of the brotherhood without banners is azor azai. That group is actually on a “hero’s journey” while everyone else is just interested in politics to a large degree. I also wonder what the children of the forest are about? They could be the key to some shit

[Anonymous No.20137659]

>>20136326
The CK2 mod is also a 10x better adaptation of the books than the show is.

[Anonymous No.20137732]

>>20136357
my only hope is that he's writiing winds with DoS in mind so the wait between the two will be much shorter than before

[Anonymous No.20137740]

>>20137732
My preferred cope is that it's taking so long because he's writing them both in tandem to make sure it's airtight kino.

[Anonymous No.20137757]

>>20131276
Yeah the first 3 alone are very worth reading. Best fantasy series I've read, read them years before the show was finished though.

[Anonymous No.20138079]

>>20136940
Cute bait. Grrms prose is below mediocre.

[Anonymous No.20138089]

>>20131276
>Memento mori, Boomer
Martin is a loathsome and perfect exemplar of his class and generation. It's not finished, and it will never be allowed to from his notes and estate. Why would you even start? It's pulp, 50 Shades of LOTR with JK Rowling tier prose.

[Anonymous No.20138124]

>>20138089
This bait is more overspiced than Indian food

[Anonymous No.20138227]

>>20131276
Just find a combined Feast/Dance reading order and do that instead

[Anonymous No.20138309]

>>20131276
The first book is definitely the best, and is indeed a landmark work in fantasy. However, as you said, George RR Martin wont finish the series. He is more concerned about worldbuilding and establishing an interesting history than creating a cohesive narrative and substantive character development

The books are very easy and you should be able to cut through them with ease. I recommend finishing them because they are culturally influential.

[Anonymous No.20138312]

>>20131436
>Imagine waiting for years to know how their story progresses
i've been in permanent suffering while waiting for sansakino forever now

[Anonymous No.20138327]

>>20138312
Do you think she's going to outsmart Littlefinger like in the show? I know he's thinking with his dick and she's his achilles heel but it seems so outlandish to me. That kind of thing is why I have to roll my eyes when people say the show spoiled the plot.

[Anonymous No.20138377]

>>20138327
i don't know for sure. something i like about sansa in the books is that she's kinda dumb. one of the worst things about the show from when it started to greatly deviate from the books is how they try to make so many characters smarter than they should be, sansa is worst among them in this regard. not everyone needs to be on the level of tywin or tyrion or littlefinger or varys. it's fine to have average or even outright dumb prominent characters. and while she has been getting a bit smarter as she's been thrust into the world, i doubt she'll be able to outfox littlefinger at the rate she's going, at least without someone else's help like she did with arya in the show.
i think that sansa will have a good ending, and littlefinger will have a bad ending. but again i can't see sansa getting there on her own. yet that aloneness is a major theme of her arc. if she can't do it alone, then her arc is pointless, but as it stands with the plot elements we have, there's no feasible way or even reason for her to do that. i'm gonna assume that something new will be introduced into their dynamic that will force sansa into that position, and she'll probably come out on top.

[Anonymous No.20138397]

>>20135826
>why do so many people hate daenerys?
Because she gets everything handed to her on a silver platter, she never does anything.

[Anonymous No.20138410]

>>20136675
Euron is literally the anti-Christ of the ASoIaF universe.

>>20137545
You would hit the only valyrian steel breastplate in the world and break your hand while he laughs beckoning his mutant priests to kill and torture you for weeks.

[Anonymous No.20138419]

>>20132406
i liked the quentyn chapters i was rooting for that lil nigga even though i knew his goose was cooked as soon as he appeared

[Anonymous No.20138432]

>>20131276
>In the fourth book there are like 3 Greyjoy pow characters, and no Snow/Dany/Tyrion?? Really? Who gives a fuck about the Greyjoys??
This has to be bait. Danny, Jon, and Tyrion are by far the worst characters in the story, their every page is pure tedium.

And meanwhile Theon has arguably the only 2 good chapters Martin has ever written in his life.

[Anonymous No.20138447]

>>20138397
She gets raped. She isn’t likable, but she hasn’t had it easy. She started going downhill as a character with the grown dragons. Her arc was telegraphed at that point, at least on the show

[Anonymous No.20138458]

>>20138447
"raped" here meaning married by the only sociable Dothraki warlord to ever exist

yeah nothing silver plattered here

[Anonymous No.20138463]

>>20138410
Say what you want about TWoW never coming out, but Martin has only improved with time. The Euron preview chapter was unironically good.

https://thehawke.github.io/twow-excerpts/chapters/forsaken.html

[Anonymous No.20138500]

>>20131319
storm of swords is so clearly meant to be the end of the first act of ASOIAF. it's obvious he put the most planning and work into this act, and kept a focused vision through to the execution. and it works - storm of swords is the best book in the series. feast for crows and dance with dragons begin the second act, but they do it in weird ways.
they separate the characters by geography; feast for crows follows the characters in south, dance with dragons has follows the characters in the north, the wall (and beyond) and essos. the books happen simultaneously, up until a point in dance with dragons where characters from a feast for crows come back for a chapter or two, indicating that the timelines have converged again and the story is moving forward. they also introduce some new characters that, while fleshing out the world and having a reason to exist, probably won't go anywhere important besides euron maybe.
the novels were originally meant to be a trilogy, but as someone else mentioned, here is where he decided against that and expanded. in regards to narrative structure, it would make more sense to have 3 trilogies for 3 acts. but it seems that we're just heading into the last act now with the last 2 books (which are apparently like 1800 pages each) so it will be oddly paced compared to the first act - either a very long 2nd act with no 3rd act, or a meandering 2nd act with a 3rd act that will be both overlong and underdeveloped..

[Anonymous No.20138555]

>>20138463
>But from their sterns flew a flag the priest had never seen before: a red eye with a black pupil beneath an iron crown supported by two crows.
god, yawn

does this fat fuck have an ounce of originality?

[Anonymous No.20138574]

>>20132406
>>20131620
>people like Davos and Tyrion chapters
I want off this baord

[Anonymous No.20138623]

>>20138574
You didn't like Lord Manderly embracing his dark triad?

[Anonymous No.20138645]

>>20138574
davos chapters are great though

[Anonymous No.20138654]

>>20131276
The general consensu is that book 3 is the peak, then it's all downhill
He planned his original plot with a 5 years timeskip between book 3 and 4, but later cut it for whatever reasons.
This basically fucked up his subplots much more than he tought and book 4-5 are just attempts to fix with by adding more and more worthless characters that are mere plot devices to raiload the major characters in the places they were supposed to be after the timeskip

[Anonymous No.20138656]

Pseuds hate him. How does he do it?

[Anonymous No.20138659]

>>20131424
Lack of popular characters and overall very boring compared to Storm of Swords

[Anonymous No.20138662]

>>20138574
Only women and queers dosent like Davos chapters

[Anonymous No.20138666]

>>20138447
She literally says yes and the prose describes her soaking wet 13 year old pussy. The show just made it rapey for the drama.

[Anonymous No.20138678]

The first book was interesting. If he just focussed on a drama about the Starks and ended it there it would have been really good. I read up until halfway through Storm of Swords and everything was just so convoluted and meandering. I lost all interest.

[Anonymous No.20138707]

>>20135540
>weird fetish
Elaborate

[Anonymous No.20138768]

>>20138377
> if she can't do it alone, then her arc is pointless
sorry for picking this, out of all the stuff in this thread, as the example but...
do you think any of the 'arcs' have a point?
i dont understand how people can read these books and not notice the most obvious patterns. here's one for you all:
>build up a character
>here it comes!
>get ready!
>spit in the audience's mouth
grrm is probably in a constant state of euphoric astonishment that people still defend him and want to read his books. i'm 99% sure he hasn't finished the latest book because the novelty is starting to wear off for him. i mean he shit in everyone's mouth with the show, but people still find ways to forgive him (and instead blame other people, imagining that grrm is the good guy).
>>20138377
so tell me why the fuck would sansa accomplish anything? has any character in the books accomplished something they wanted? even the big 'plot' points are all 2deep4u conjecture based on ambiguous writing. what has actually changed in 5000 pages? people have died, and people have gotten a bit older, but
NOTHING
HAS
CHANGED
>but so much has changed!
i bet you can't even tell me what the end goal of the books is. is it to have a stark as king? is it to beat the white walkers? is it to have dany as queen? is it to have all the people you like vindicated? there is no point to grrm's books, and there is no goal to his writing. he might not be spitting in everyone's mouth on purpose, but i can tell you with 100% certainty that he doesn't know the goal of his own books.
>if he did, it wouldn't take him years to get anything done

[Anonymous No.20138793]

>>20138768
It's to have Bran as king and restore weirwood trees to the south. Bran is basically an eternal champion, every Brandon Stark in history is actually the same person being reborn again and again, he's the real Stark in Winterfell and this is the source of the North's unique magical properties and culture of just rule and loyalty. By taking the Iron Throne he'll become the Stark in Kings Landing and all of Westeros will benefit from his magical aura of protection as the North has for thousands of years. Also white walkers are good guys, they're just trying to protect the trees.

[Anonymous No.20138797]

>>20131424
It's written like shit, Brienne finds out where she needs to go to find The Hound in the most contrived and nonsensical way possible and the fact that we already know where they are means the narrative is not compelling and there is no tension, lots of chapters are thinly-disguised exposition dumps (try to read The Soiled Knight chapter without rolling your eyes), even more interminable food sections than in the previous three books
>winter cakes, lemon cakes, apple cakes, wedding cakes, honey cakes, stale cakes, venison and cakes
>fiery peppers, dragon peppers, fiery dragon peppers, pinch of pepper, cracked peppercorns, pepper, red and white and black, peppers stuffed with cheese
>gull's eggs, hard-cooked eggs, raw eggs, boiled eggs, eggs for cakes, eggs and bacon and fried bread, eggs boiled soft, eggs and butter and melons, spiced eggs

[Anonymous No.20138852]

>>20138377
Yeah, you put it well. She's learning from Littlefinger but I don't see her putting one over on him. There's one thing that she has, and it's being set up with Harry the Heir, and that's sex. If she's going to be married to Harry, maybe she can make him love her enough to oust Littlefinger from his position in the shadows. It's still a longshot. Baelish has shown he's capable of having nobles murdered if he has to. Maybe something like that could happen and Sansa could arrange it so he's caught in the act.

[Anonymous No.20138863]

>>20138793
glad you took the bait;
so if that's the end goal, why do we have characters as pov other than bran? are you going to tell me that everyone is all somehow off serving this single plotline as they wander around, get sick, die, complain, fuck, get blinded, lose limbs and so on?
like shit, you've made my point so well i feel like i'm samefagging. you've read the books, and yet you're able to ignore so much of what's actually written in them just because you feel/think that something should be the way you want it.

if it was grrm, not you, who thought that bran as king is the end point (or arya as master assassin, or dany as queen, or whatever the fuck). grrm just keeps the ball rolling, and puts in more and more detail about things that do nothing to get you closer to an ending
and that's fine- if you like a shaggy dog story i'm not here to tell you you have shit taste. i am here trying to tell you to stop thinking grrm is writing a traditional story, and to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt like some kind of fool-me-nine-times drooling idiot. he writes his books like a soap opera, not like a conventional narrative.

game of thrones will never end. grrm will die, probably on a pyre of all his works, and everyone will see this as some kind of crazy plot trick and not just realize he's doing what he's always done. leaving it ambiguous, getting you emotionally invested, and then abandoning you (and this is the most favorable outcome)

[Anonymous No.20138903]

>>20138852
Littlefinger is for certain going to get murdered by Lady Stoneheart. Those two are destined to cross paths.
I'm also thinking Harry the Heir is going to die before they can be married. I'm convinced by the Ashford theory that these dudes competing in a tournament for the hand of Lord Ashford's daughter from the D&E novels correspond to Sansa's suggested suitors in the order they appear.
>Lyonel Baratheon = Joffery Baratheon
>Leo Tyrell = Wilas Tyrell
>Tybolt Lannister = Tyrion Lannister
>Humfrey Hardyng = Harrold Hardyng
>Valarr Targaryen = ??? I'm thinking Young Griff rather than Jon Snow because this guy also dies in D&E.
Harrold Hardyng dies during the tournament and Valarr Targaryen dies of disease afterwards. Also the tournament is never actually completed because Duncan fucks it up, making me think Sansa is never going to marry in the story due to some intervention by Brienne.

[Anonymous No.20138933]

>>20138903
>Littlefinger is for certain going to get murdered by Lady Stoneheart.
You think so? I don't know how she would put it together that he murdered Lysa. Nobody who knows what a snake he is is going around telling anyone, and I don't recall that Catelyn had attributed any of her family's misfortunes to him by the time she died. She's focused on Jaime.

[Anonymous No.20138939]

>>20138863
Because what ASOIAF is actually about is how feudalism sucks, GRRM has said himself it's a love letter to democracy. 9/10 plotlines are about all the brutality and weirdly sexual politicking that feudalism entailed, Bran's storyline is about an broken boy going to Narnia to learn magic and become some kind of omniscient philosopher king of a broken kingdom tying straight into Arthurian fisher king myths. This kind of bizarre fantasy feudalism by a psychic god king is the only kind of feudalism that's going to actually be endorsed by the books.
And this has been the plan since book 1, right at the start Catelyn suggests a great council convene for Bran to tell his story, exactly what happens when he's elected king in the show.

[Anonymous No.20139014]

>>20138933
It's a long shot but I think Catelyn and Littlefinger are basically a reference to Cathy and Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights. Not sure how they'd connect though.

[Anonymous No.20139041]

>>20131396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go2nj-8tsAE

[Anonymous No.20139091]

>>20135826
Purple eyes that actually look realistic and not corny, well done.

[Anonymous No.20139138]

>>20138410
>breastplate
>on his face
Is this the power of the average ASOIAF reader? Whoa...

[Anonymous No.20139154]

>>20138309
>because they are culturally influential.
"Yes, cattle, read what your (((culture))) tells you it's influential. Nevermind that your culture is dominated and controlled by a handful of (((people))) with tiny hats which loathe you and constantly use your media to demean and undermine you, your history and your spirit."

[Anonymous No.20139157]

>>20138939
>GRRM has said himself it's a love letter to democracy. 9/10 plotlines are about all the brutality and weirdly sexual politicking that feudalism entailed
>900 years from now some fat fuck will write about how democracy was just rich old pedos pretending to be/represent the blue collar workers so hordes of normies will campaign for them and give them money.

[Anonymous No.20139167]

>>20138432
Tyrion is funny.

[Anonymous No.20139175]

>>20138447
>She gets raped
It's not even rape in the books. GRRM clearly says that Drogo works her with his fingers until she's horny. And in exchange for that, she gets power and status and 3 goddamn dragons just handed to her.
Oh, and she was also born with the superpower to control dragons and be immune to fire.

[Anonymous No.20139191]

>>20138500
>1800 pages each
Fucking Christ.

[Anonymous No.20139207]

>>20138797
I never understood people triggered by food descriptions. They're unironically great at establishing the atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.20139214]

>>20138903
does this theory actually purport jon x sansa as a possibility?

[Anonymous No.20139239]

>>20139138
>no mention of face
>anon is a retard
hmm, interesting

[Anonymous No.20139249]

>>20131276
I stopped at the fourth one.
It is ok if you skip the brienne chapters.

[Anonymous No.20139431]

>>20137557
>she's a terrible person with tremendous delusions of grandeur, which makes her intensely unlikable. At the same time, she is a young, hot and naive girl, so we are primed to like her, but end up disliking her instead.
So you're saying she's the best and most accurately written young woman of all time?

[Anonymous No.20139491]

>>20139431
>So you're saying she's the best and most accurately written young woman of all time?
Not really. She has a serious excess of emotional issues and hang-ups, even compared to a typical contemporary young woman.

[Anonymous No.20139496]

>>20139207
it's not the fact that they're there; it's the avalanche of them and their length that help to ruin the narrative shape of the book. The examples I gave are all from AFFC alone, and are not even all of the mentions of each of those specific foodstuffs, let alone all of the others in the book. These too only scratch the surface:
>a roast, roast squirrel, roast ox, roast kid, roast goat, roasted chestnuts, roast chicken, roast boar
>flatbread, bread and drippings, bread and cheese, breadcrumbs, chunks of bread, heel of bread, hot fresh bread, hard bread, a loaf of bread, sweetbreads, hot bread baking, bread and salt, wine and bread, hot-baked bread, barley bread, stale bread, bread and water, bread and nuts and carrots, crusty bread, bread and vinegar, fish and bread, hot black bread, bread and fruit, bread and butter, bread and honey
>hot stew, crab stew, fish stew, stew of crabs, mussels, and at least three kinds of fish, stewed goat and onions, bowl of stew, cold and greasy stew
Had I the time to be truly autistic about it I'd be curious to find out what percentage of the book is mere descriptions of food

[Anonymous No.20139558]

>>20138397
>Because she gets everything handed to her on a silver platter, she never does anything.
Yes and no. She's insanely lucky in a million ways (starting from being born a Targ princess to CONSTANTLY having reliable and capable people bend their knees for her) in order for her plot to even happen and be interesting, but she also gets hit with a plenty of real fastballs - I love how the ensuing responses focused on muh rape opposed to having her entire family murdered, then being relentlessly abused by her batshit older sibling through her entire childhood, then being sold as a meat puppet into the most violent culture on the planet, then losing her beloved husband and firstborn child and ending up barren for life. But she processes literally all of them in pretty much the most fucked up and unhealthy ways possible due to the impossible standards she has set for herself (muh "I am of the dragon, if I look back I am lost") and lack of any actual personal support on her level Jorah and Selmy could qualify, but ultimately they simp too much to be honest, sraightforward and understanding with her - so ultimately she has no friends, so her every fuck up only primes her for much, much worse fuck ups along the line.

If we reduce it to "she gets everything on a silver platter". One could just as easily argue that Tyrion, Snow or Jaimie are insufferable for the same reason, while the only real difference on the issue is that Tyrion and Snow already had their faces rubbed into it, and Jamie rubbed his face into it himself. While Dany still waits for her own wake up call, while we hope that she doesn't fuck up ANOTHER continent in the ensuing temper tantrum.

[Anonymous No.20139631]

>>20139496
Been a while since Ive read these books but I do distinctly remember skipping these parts

[Anonymous No.20139657]

>>20139558
>If we reduce it to "she gets everything on a silver platter". One could just as easily argue that Tyrion, Snow or Jaimie
Jaimie and Jon actually make efforts and overcome things most people wouldn't through strength of will and ingenuity. Tyrion...is basically another Danny, yeah. Everything magically lines up to allow them to exist for the most part. Nothing about their characters feels 'earned'.

[Anonymous No.20139666]

If Winds ever comes out I'm excited about GRRM going into more depth, and backstory and what The Others want. Easily my favourite part of Ice and Fire lore. Curious to know if there is also a connection between Euron and Varys, mostly because they both like doing the practice of cutting off their subordinate's tongues. I had a crackpot theory both Euron/Varys were the same person but it's probably not going to wind up being that.

[Anonymous No.20139751]

>>20139491
>even compared to a typical contemporary young woman.
Nah, literally the only difference between Dany and the typical young woman is the political and military power. Otherwise she's exactly the same, and that's why she was so popular with young women in the tv show even when she was shown explicitly to be insane and bloodthirsty.

[Anonymous No.20139768]

What does it matter if a series is finished? I only finish series that I actually like reading. If I pick up a finished series only to drop it after one book, then even if it has 20+ books it doesn't matter, it was barely worth reading a single book. I'll take unfinished but enjoyable series over unpleasant completed ones any day. What I do now is, if a book I've set aside time to read ends up being bad, I pick up something I enjoyed and reread it in its place.

[Anonymous No.20139816]

>/sffg/ starts talking about A song of ice and fire
>Some anon seethes and spams the thread
But why is it always like this?

[Anonymous No.20139821]

>>20139816
We’re not even talking about it

[Anonymous No.20139824]

>>20131424
First up, the Brienne chapters is a big filter, as it presents a boring, pointless adventure where Brienne searches for Arya and Sansa while we, the reader, know exactly where both of them are and know she will fail to find them.

Second, AFFC sets up a whole cast of new characters and you don't know if you should really care about them or not because they feel distant from the main characters that survived ASOS.

Finally, while ASoS is the big payoff, AFFC is 90% setup with limited payoffs. The bigger issue is that the payoffs that were supposed to be put at the end of ADWD, the book swelled too much to fit. All of the sample chapters for TWOW, which there are 10, are overflow from ADWD. The end result is that all of the payoffs for the buildup in the last two books are now set for the beginning of TWOW, including all four major battles (Euron vs Oldtown, Stannis and the WIldlings vs the Boltons, The Battle for Meereen, and Aegon's Assault on Storm's End).

[Anonymous No.20139827]

>>20139821
It's happened before.

[Anonymous No.20139840]

>>20139239
>is a mongoloid
>insists when he's clearly wrong
>attracts attention to his mongoloidness when otherwise people might have not noticed
Ah yes, the Will Smith tactic.
"I could hit him from his left side and he wouldn't even see me coming" obviously referred to the left side of his face, since he wears a fucking eyepatch. Anyone would've understood it, except for you. Because you're a mongoloid.

Mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.20139854]

>>20139496
We need an edit for pic related where it says "Autistically bothered by food descriptions.
"He mentions food 153 times in this book! I counted them!"
"Actually counted them."

[Anonymous No.20139858]

>>20139496
Dude, they're 900-1200 pages books. A description of what the characters are eating every 20-40 pages is NOT something that "ruins the narrative shape of the book".
WTF?

[Anonymous No.20139865]

>>20139631
>>20139496
Samefag.

[Anonymous No.20139885]

Any thoughts on Preston's last series?

I think the Three-Eyed Crow is future Bran, but I don't know if I agree that he chose to cripple himself, mindfuck Hodor, and let Jojen and his whole family die just so Meera can carry him out of a hole after hanging out with Bloodraven for a bit. The idea that he can't let Jon become Lord of Winterfell simply because he needs the Heart Tree as a reset point also doesn't sit right with me. I think it has more to do with Jon's lineage than anything else.

[Anonymous No.20139966]

>>20139840
I'd explain how dumb you are but being so cringe as to actually mention current social media happening #5,092 you are not worth my or anyone's time. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.20139975]

>>20139840
Euron quite literally swaps what eye he wears the eyepatch on, you do realize yes?

[Anonymous No.20139988]

>>20139966
>"I-I c-c-could w-win this b-but I p-prefer to l-l-lose it and r-run away b-b-because I'm the b-b-bigger m-man!"
The biggest faggot, maybe.

[Anonymous No.20139991]

>>20139975
>he actually read the books
What a faggot.

[Anonymous No.20140014]

>>20139966
>>20139975
>>20139239
>all these one-eyed faggots defending Eushit Greyshit
I could obliterate all of you with one punch to your left side.

[Anonymous No.20140038]

>>20139966
Normalniggers have truly ruined this board.
>frogs and tv memes
Ugh.

[Anonymous No.20140075]

>>20140038
>I'm not like the other autists here, I'm part of the elite, I'm a different breed because I post different kinds of memes
Swallow glass, faggot.

[Anonymous No.20140081]

>>20139885
Instead of the time travelling I think the weirwood trees act as a cutscene from the past that Bran interact with in a limited way. I hate the idea that there's also time travel as well as all the other supernatural events.

[Anonymous No.20140134]

>>20140038
It's probably just the same faggot, I recognize that retarded frog image from another thread full of samefaggotry which was literally about ANOTHER thread of theirs no one else cared about. These people are worse than janitors, they do the opposite but still for free.

[Anonymous No.20140159]

>>20140134
Yes. It's me. It's always me. I'm everywhere, the only user of this board.

Recognize the taste of my ballsack.

[Anonymous No.20140164]

>>20135652
>Is it just me or did the whole plot around Robert's bastards just drop suddenly?
There's still Gendry.

[Anonymous No.20140166]

>>20140134
>worse than jannies
Nobody is worse than those faggots.

[Anonymous No.20140179]

>>20139167
>Tyrion is funny.
I thought he was insufferable. If Tyrion was half as smart as he thinks he is he should realize his actual station in life and accept his limitations, instead he goes around quipping to people who only tolerate him because he pays him, and I'm not just talking about the whores. It doesn't help he's a transparent self insert for Martin himself, as if being hideous and fat are analogous to being a midget in feudal society, lol.

[Anonymous No.20140187]

>>20140179
I thought his self insert was samwell honestly

[Anonymous No.20140188]

>>20140179
unironically he's funnier in the show than the books because then you get to watch him walk

[Anonymous No.20140215]

>>20138903
>Littlefinger is for certain going to get murdered by Lady Stoneheart. Those two are destined to cross paths.
I really doubt it. For one thing LF has no reason to ever go near the twins or the riverlands where she's haunting. LF's downfall has to be by Sansa else neither's arc makes any sense.

[Anonymous No.20140223]

>>20136046
>that would be dishonorable
>but my my honor...
>Robert pls
>muh honor
>Bobby...
>honor?
Yeah, no thanks.

[Anonymous No.20140226]

>>20140215
Except he's, you know, lord of the Riverlands.

[Anonymous No.20140238]

>>20140226
Only in name, Harrenhal is a fucking ruin and he is spending all his time in the Vale while preparing for Sansa's homecoming north. There is quite literally nothing for him in the Riverlands.

[Anonymous No.20140248]

>>20140238
Nigga why would Mrs. Hardyng be going north?

[Anonymous No.20140254]

>>20140226
He only became that for the title of Lord Paramount of the Trident so he could marry Lysa Arryn.

[Anonymous No.20140258]

>>20131448
What does 'Reddit sense of humor' mean?

[Anonymous No.20140289]

>>20140179
Sam is the self-insert. And Tyrion is acutely aware at all times that his station in life is entirely dependent on his father's name and money, and that without them he'd be killed immediately if he ran his mouth.

[Anonymous No.20140293]

>>20140258
It means "I'm a teen faggot that wants to look cool and edgy so I try to fit in with le 4channel culture by accusing everything of being reddit".

[Anonymous No.20140308]

>>20139858
I said it's one of the things that helps to ruin the narrative shape of the book, which it is. You are either attempting to subtly twist my position in order to undermine it, or you're a nigger on a board about reading who can't fucking read.
>>20139865
kek, faggot

[Anonymous No.20140341]

>>20131598
>hound is an old fuck in show
>books he's young as fuck and most likely sansa's future husband
Why did they remove this subplot?

[Anonymous No.20140353]

>>20140308
>I said it's one of the things that helps to ruin the narrative shape of the book
Yeah, and I said it fucking isn't. I'm not "subtly twisting" anything, I'm saying you're wrong. I never even noticed all these terrible food descriptions until autistic faggots like you started to menstruate about them. You're the equivalent of faggots who whine about book covers and claim that they can ruin a book.

[Anonymous No.20140359]

>>20140308
>he actually went through the trouble of taking a screenshot, erasing a "You" in Ms Paint and then posting it to hide his samefaggotry.

[Anonymous No.20140366]

>>20131531
>She's basically a ninja who belongs to a cool organization

[Anonymous No.20140376]

>>20140308
>helps to ruin the narrative shape of the book
Exactly at the level of the Dune faggots who whine about Herbert writing "betray" and "presently" too much. Exact same energy.

[Anonymous No.20140429]

>>20140341
SanSan shippers are a blight.

[Anonymous No.20140436]

>>20140289
>nd Tyrion is acutely aware at all times that his station in life is entirely dependent on his father's name and money,
No, he isn't. If he understood anything about the reality of his situation he would never dream of demanding Casterly Rock from his father or constantly pine for praise and payment for fulfilling each and every duty. A smart dwarf would realize he cannot be other than a dwarf and that entails the mistrust and misgivings of others. The character is a total fucking anachronism.

[Anonymous No.20140441]

>>20139824
That's a fair way of putting it on all points. Brienne was my least favourite POV and I skipped or skimmed her most often on rereads. I haven't discussed this series for years and it just reminds me how much I'm anticipating the next book.

[Anonymous No.20140479]

>>20139854
>>20139858
People have different things that annoy them about the books I guess. One girl I knew thought he used "brushed her hair until it shone like spun gold" too many times, it really stood out to her. I hate how he started using "nuncle" in book 4. It's pure nitpicking.
>>20140248
He wants to reinstall a Stark in Winterfell ultimately because it gives legitimacy. Ramsay's claim is a fake marriage to Arya, so a legitimate marriage of her elder sister would supercede that on paper.
Although the plan will be ruined when Davos retrieves Rickon from Grimdark Unicorn Island.

[Anonymous No.20140483]

>>20140353
>You're the equivalent of faggots who whine about book covers and claim that they can ruin a book.
>The cover of a book is equivalent to its contents
lol, kill yourself
>>20140359
mad because wrong
>>20140376
Herbert uses the word 'Presently' 58 times in Dune, which is really not a big deal; that amounts to about one use in every 10 pages. I've already posted 65 instances of food in AFFC, and those are truncated lists of those foods and don't cover all the other foods/descriptions mentioned in that book. Why is it so hard for you retards to admit that GRRM just wastes too much space with filler about food? Cut that shit in half.

[Anonymous No.20140517]

>>20140483
>Herbert uses the word 'Presently' 58 times in Dune
WRONG! IT'S 59! I COUNTED THEM!

[Anonymous No.20140523]

>>20140483
Wait, I thought you were trolling with this food autism. Are you actually this stupid? Are you being serious?
I swear this board becomes more and more retarded by the week.

[Anonymous No.20140557]

>>20140523
now explain why it's stupid instead of a legitimate critique about unnecessary bloat that could be fixed with better editing.

wait, is this you?

[Anonymous No.20140558]

>>20140483
I'm truly sorry that you can't appreciate atmospheric food kino. I can practically taste GRRM's prose.
Imo one of the reasons Daenarys chapters are bad is the lack of vivid food descriptions in Essos. More reasons why Essos world building is just shallow orientalism and sword & sorcery references.

[Anonymous No.20140568]

>>20140558
Hey, he tried. What about those spicy nuts or whatever they tried to use to poison Dany? And a couple of times they ate dog.

[Anonymous No.20140575]

>>20140568
>spicy nuts
Wait it was crickets wasn't it though...

[Anonymous No.20140578]

>>20140483
>The cover of a book is equivalent to its contents
The sense of that analogy was that you're a stupid faggot who pays too much attention to insignificant details that have no bearing whatsoever on the quality of a book. Stupid faggot. Couldn't even understand that much, and you reply all full of confidence as if you got me. What a fucking imbecile, my God.

[Anonymous No.20140585]

>>20140557
>now explain why it's stupid
Because it's an insignificant detail that doesn't matter, doesn't say anything about the quality of the style, the characterization, the subtext, the plot, the themes, anything.
Imagine some faggot whining that Martin used "said" too many times and that ruins the book for him. You're him. You're this stupid, this absurd and this autistic.
Go on, prove to this hypothetical faggot that too many repetitions of the word "said" don't really matter. Prove it, faggot. I want a mathematical proof.

[Anonymous No.20140588]

>>20140223
The supreme confidence with which he warned/threatened Cersei before he lost his head is genuinely comical to me now. Stark was wrong about literally everything and everyone and all because he refused to engage with anything but his own reasoning.

[Anonymous No.20140591]

>>20140557
>is this you?
YOU WASH YOUR FUCKING MOUTH BEFORE SPEAKING OF THE NIGGERMASTER, LITTLE FAGGOTY TWINK, BEFORE I EDUCATE YOUR LITTLE ASSHOLE.

I WISH ONE DAY TO BECOME 1/100TH OF WHAT THE NIGGERMASTER IS.

[Anonymous No.20140599]

>>20140436
that's not an anachronism, it's one of tyrion's biggest character flaws. he takes for granted the privilege he grew up with, and he comes face to face with this when he meets penny, who was a commoner who learned what it actually meant to be a dwarf without a family name to protect her. and she's a far more well-adjusted person than tyrion is despite his privilege because she embraced her life as a dwarf where tyrion always despised it. it's ironic because tyrion feeds jon that line about wearing your insults like armor so it can't hurt you, but it still does hurt tyrion he just has the family name and money to be able to shrug it all off.

tyrion is prideful and spiteful like tywin, which is why the two of them loathe each other so much and why the constant reminder of him being a dwarf stings so badly to him, because his father constantly protects tyrion and expects lordly duties from him out of a sense of familial pride while simultaneously rejecting and spitting on any true expression of that very pride from tyrion himself. it's a catch-22 for tyrion because he has all the benefits of being lannister nobility while still being looked down upon by his entire family save jaime, leaving him in this weird middle ground where he's hated by commoners for being a lordly cunt and also hated by other nobles for being a dwarf. he is perfectly aware of his position in life, he just hates that he has to deal with it and takes for granted that all of his self-pitying coping mechanisms of boozing and whoring while having more money than he knows what to do with are things other dwarfs like penny could never afford.

and it's perfectly in character for tyrion to desire casterly rock. if he weren't a dwarf his request for his claim to that seat would be perfectly legitimate, and again that exchange between him and his father is one where he just doesn't want to believe that his father will never see past him being a dwarf no matter what he does, and of course he's wrong.

[Anonymous No.20140600]

>>20140557
>unnecessary bloat
Descriptions of places/clothes/food/interior design, etc., are not unnecessary, faggot. They build up the atmosphere and sometimes even tell us of the culture of the people whose food/clothes etc. we're reading.
Faggot. You think these autistic observations make you sound well read and smarter than the average Martin's reader, but you only come off as a pretentious little faggot shit.

[Anonymous No.20140602]

>>20140588
>Stark was wrong about literally everything and everyone and all because he refused to engage with anything but his own reasoning.
Was it autism?

[Anonymous No.20140609]

>>20140599
>he just doesn't want to believe that his father will never see past him being a dwarf no matter what he does, and of course he's wrong.
That's my point though, that Tyrion is a moron who is constantly presented as this font of wisdom, learning, and worldly experience. He has no wisdom whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.20140617]

>>20140436
>anachronism
You used that word incorrectly.
>>20140599
It's likely he's going off of the TV show instead of the books and it's pretty obvious he's autistic and can't understand character motivation let alone relate it to behavior.

[Anonymous No.20140658]

>>20140600
nice projection, have a you and my pity
>>20140591
cheers
>>20140585
>Because it's an insignificant detail that doesn't matter
if it's an insignificant detail then it should be trivial to remove it.
>Go on, prove to this hypothetical faggot that too many repetitions of the word "said" don't really matter.
you mean 'prove that too many repetitions matter', not 'don't matter'. Obviously a mathematical proof of this is impossible because there is no mathematical theory 't' of what constitutes the correct number of repetitions of a word in a novel. However, that emphatically doesn't fucking mean that retarded nihilism is the answer and that all choices of diction by an author are equal.

[Anonymous No.20140671]

>>20140609
>that Tyrion is a moron who is constantly presented as this font of wisdom, learning, and worldly experience
i dunno about that. he's a wisecracking jackass that gets his ass kicked for his smart mouth multiple times. he has quips, not wisdom. the character is intelligent, but not truly wise. his worldly experience is his cynical worldview brought about by being a dwarf born into nobility, but like i said that's obviously a very limited perspective that he ends up paying the price for relying too heavily upon when he ends up not trusting anyone, in turn making them not trust him.

he has a handful of wise moments and quotes, but i personally never felt like he was presented like he's supposed to be a worldly sage or something. if anything, it's the opposite. tyrion thinks highly of himself for all of what he believes is intelligent politicking, but is then brought low after he gets played by littlefinger and gets tossed aside when his father returns to king's landing. the dude pays the price for thinking he's hot shit for being the hand of the king while his own family despises him and kicks him to the curb when they no longer need him. he's a moron only in that he believes that he can prove his worth to his family to truly earn his place among them out of a desire for belonging that he just doesn't want to accept that he can never truly have. i wouldn't say that makes him a moron, just tragically misguided.

[Anonymous No.20140673]

>>20140617
>>You used that word incorrectly.
No, I didn't. You're just too stupid to understand my point, Tyrion acts like a modern person with hilarious notions of equity that no-one in a feudal society could entertain.

[Anonymous No.20140696]

Viserys = the real Bonnie Prince Charlie
Young Griff = the song version of Bonnie Prince Charlie

[Anonymous No.20140723]

>>20140609
He's presented as a witty character, more than a wise one.

[Anonymous No.20140729]

>>20131308
Arya is my favorite character along with John Snow

[Anonymous No.20140731]

>>20140658
>being this much of an autistic, nitpicky, pretentious, talentless little shit
>still missing every point and ending up looking like a little moron
/lit/ poster boy.

[Anonymous No.20140740]

>>20131672
It’s because his story is where we get the first really clear confirmation of the grand northern conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.20140765]

>>20140740
>cut through 6 of Manderley's 7 chins
what a line

[Anonymous No.20140773]

>>20138903
Read a compelling theory that the tournament is going to be attacked the wildlings of the Vale now equipped with all the arms and armor Tyrion gave them. The theory creator thought Sansa was gonna get abducted and have to marry the leader of the tribe or something.

[Anonymous No.20140857]

>>20140673
No, you used it incorrectly. You thought it meant generally out of place and didn't realize it specifically relates to historical context. Besides, we're talking about a fantasy novel where ridiculous feats of engineering are explained away by magic and/or brushed off as secrets now lost to time. Stop being a retard.

Also, go to /tv. You're too stupid for /lit. Tyrion's smart but he also has serious character flaws that lead to him overplaying his hand and ending up sentenced to death and having to flee the continent (it also lead to an arrest, an assassination attempt, and was partially responsible for Tywin denigrating him). He's arrogant concerning his intelligence to the point of hubris; he also makes selfish/poor decisions (e.g. bringing Shae to the capital when he knows she doesn't actually give a fuck about him--if you'd read the books and weren't going by the show you'd know that's evident). He's spiteful and vindictive and this comes more into play after the events of the third book. He isn't a good guy (like he was portrayed in the TV series) and, as some other anon ITT said, Sam is GRRM's stand-in character.

Tyrion is a high-ranking noble from one of the most powerful families in Westeros but he's also a dwarf who has been shit on his entire life. He copes via his superior intelligence but his arrogance gets him into trouble. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.20141379]

>>20140731
>doesn't even have a point or a defensible position, just hurls insults as though I have feelings that can be hurt
cope. keep projecting, this is funny

[Anonymous No.20141459]

>>20140483
>fantasy world
>need something to ground it
>something tactile
>something that involves the senses
>something absolutely everyone is familiar with
>bonus if it's something so common but specific details of it add to characterization or differentiate and define aspects of class or geography
What do you think a fat fuck like this guy would choose? Do you think fantasy readers, or he himself, could do it with something like sex?

[Anonymous No.20141505]

>>20141459
There's a lot of sex in the books. And the idea that he's using the food to ground the fantasy world in realism is retarded. When the characters are eating he describes the food just like he tells you what they're wearing and what they look like and their environs and etc. Everything grounds the world.
When another author says they ate soup, George tells you all 8 ingredients and specifically what spices are in it. I don't understand why this destroys your mind. The way you talk about it, you'd imagine he writes it like pornography describing blow by blow how they put it in their mouths and the texture and their layers of flavour and how it feels going down. No. He tells you what the food is. It's obvious you don't read.

[Anonymous No.20141594]

>>20141505
>There's a lot of sex in the books
Not related to my point retard and not nearly as much as there was in the show. Not even close. Sex isn't used as much as food and it's less about worldbuilding; basically we just get the idea that Dothraki fuck like animals and almost everyone of low class or base desire likes fucking whores--it isn't granular like differences in food.
>the idea that he's using the food to ground the fantasy world in realism is retarded
You were filtered. It's exactly what he's doing and "everything grounds the world" is pretty much the stupidest retort you could have come up with:
>let me overly generalize the point you were making by attributing it to general descriptions (once again proving I'm a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about) and ignoring differences between what people are eating as it relates to and differentiates culture/geography as well as class
Food is a trope used in fantasy as both a means to ground and build the world. It doesn't have to be "food porn"esque, retard. It's something every single person on earth can relate to their own experiences as well as something in which the details speak of cultural and class differences. You were filtered.

Now, do I think GRRM is repetitive with his writing? Fuck yes. "Boiler leather...boiled leather....boiled leather..." However, I'm not going to sperg out with retard-tier complaints about how often he mentions food because I know he's a fat fuck and the logic of why fantasy writers do it.

Stay filtered.

[Anonymous No.20141662]

>>20139657
>Jaimie and Jon actually make efforts and overcome things most people wouldn't through strength of will and ingenuity.
Not really, no. Jon bitches and broods a lot, and then Sam makes him Lord Commander so that Jon can go "I never asked for this".

[Anonymous No.20141672]

>>20139885
>
I think the Three-Eyed Crow is future Bran, but I don't know if I agree that he chose to cripple himself, mindfuck Hodor, and let Jojen and his whole family die just so Meera can carry him out of a hole after hanging out with Bloodraven for a bit.
This is so retarded it almost hurts.

[Anonymous No.20141727]

>>20131424
AFFC is a grind and most of it focuses on Cersei and her trainwreck

[Anonymous No.20142262]

>>20131276
consumer lit garbage

[Anonymous No.20142287]

>>20141594
>Now, do I think GRRM is repetitive with his writing? Fuck yes. "Boiler leather...boiled leather....boiled leather..."
LOBSTERED STEEL

[Anonymous No.20142299]

>>20132492
>Does he actually have one?
He's going to tear down the wall and kick off the nightwalker invasion. Book Euron is actually interesting.

[Anonymous No.20142422]

>>20142262
All readers are consumers.

[Anonymous No.20142427]

>>20142299
>He's going to tear down the wall and kick off the nightwalker invasion
How do we know that tho

[Anonymous No.20142555]

>>20142427
Sam has the horn and everything is converging to Hightower.

[Anonymous No.20142626]

>>20142555
>Sam has the horn
1. We don't know if it actually is the true Horn of Winter, or if it can actually bring down the Wall. The defining thing about magical powers and prophecies in ASoIaF is that 95% of them turn out to be bullshit, and the remaining 5% never work out exactly as everyone expects them to.

And even if it is - what's about Euron aside from geography? Your argument makes as much sense as
>Bran is going to tear down the wall and kick off the nightwalker invasion.Sam has the horn and everything is converging to Nightfort.
would before ASoS book. It's a very poor conjecture.

[Anonymous No.20142667]

>>20142626
How about you just go eat a dick?

[Anonymous No.20142688]

>Jon Arryn, blonde haired
>Lysa Tully, red haired
>Sweetrobin, brown haired
>Littlefinger, brown haired

>Sweetrobin: born 292 in the Red Keep
>Petyr Baelish: lived in the Red Keep from 288 when Jon Arryn invited him to be master of coin
Bros... I don't think Jon Arryn was reading Lineages and Histories for the kings sake.

[Anonymous No.20142747]

>>20131424
>I don't get why people don't like a feast for crows
Because it's a meme at this point and they all just ape one another's opinions to participate / fit in.

[Anonymous No.20142766]

>>20131291
The only good characters are Cersei and Jaime - though I only watched the series so far since I REFUSE to read the books before it gets finished. And if they never get finished, I will never read them.

[Anonymous No.20142870]

>>20142688
He's slowly killing his son, lol

[Anonymous No.20142919]

>>20142688
Ironic considering he married her because she was proven fertile via Littlefinger's abortion.

[Anonymous No.20142925]

>>20142688
i believe it. question is does baelish know sweet robin is his and doesn't care like a true sociopath, or is it a tragic irony that he'll end up killing his own son without knowing the truth?

[Anonymous No.20143478]

>>20131276
God tier POV
-Jaime

Great tier
-Ned, Tyrion books 1-3, Arya book 2-3, Victarion, Jon book 2

Mid tier

-Sansa book 2 and 4, Arianne, Catelyn book 3, Davos book 2

Bearable tier
-Dany until prolapse

Rest is shit

[Anonymous No.20143638]

>>20131276
If you're only halfway through the first book of course you don't care about the Greyjoys. The Greyjoy chapters are fucking awesome and their plotline is easily what I'm looking forward to the most in the next book.

[Anonymous No.20143651]

>>20138797
>>20139824
Brienne's chapters are about her struggle to find purpose and balance her knightly ideals with the reality of the world, plus of course the whole struggle she has with the gender roles of society - see how she treats Hyle the entire time despite him just genuinely being a good guy; she can't let go of how he treated her in the past and thus lets her prejudices cloud her judgement.
But it's true that the technical aspect of her chapters - the "what's going to happen?" - is lacking. I just don't dislike her chapters nearly as much as most people on here.

[Anonymous No.20143658]

>>20139885
He makes convincing arguments and there's a lot there that is almost certainly true unless George retcons most of his story. But like most of his theories, once he gets into more of the speculation, like what exactly future Bran is manipulating and why, of course I don't completely agree. Unlike some people that doesn't make me seethe, though.

[Anonymous No.20143705]

>>20143651
I didn't like Brienne's chapters until the end. The payoff with her meeting Stoneheart made it worth it.

>>20140081
Yeah, I'm a bit frustrated with the presence of time travel in everything now. I'd rather see the story just go with Bran learning secrets of the past (tower of joy, summerhall, etc.) through the weirwood's eyes and that be it but I'm pretty sure Hodor is going to get his mindfucked by Bran just like in the show.

>>20143658
Yeah, I think he's wrong, but I think he's barking up the right tree in some places. I just don't think that the future Bran is free, or reaching out to present Bran and other people out of his own volition.

Personally I think Bran joining the Weirwood is the final piece the CotF need for checkmate. He joins the hiveminded consciousness of the Children and is used by them to defeat the Others and takeover Westeros. Bran will be king, but it will be a dark ending. The reason "Valar Morghulis" is responded to with "Valar Dohaeris" is because the Children changed their strategy regarding the "Human Question" from "all men must die" to "all men must serve." The story will end with humanity unknowingly enslaved to the Children of the Forest, and most readers will miss it the first time around.

[Anonymous No.20143720]

>>20140179
What makes Tyrion so enjoyable (for me at least, I know most people are retards) is precisely because he isn't as smart as he thinks he is. He's just as narrow-sighted and ego-obsessed as all of his family. He definitely has a sharper mind than them but he wastes it so much because he thinks he deserves so much.

[Anonymous No.20143730]

>>20143705
>The payoff with her meeting Stoneheart made it worth it.
I agree, even though her chapters weren't the best, her and Jaime's plot in the next book is one of the ones I'm looking forward to the most.

>Bran theory
That would be cool and it explains why Bloodraven is around - he was their first candidate but was insufficient. It doesn't really answer what future Bran is doing, though.

[Anonymous No.20144221]

>>20143651
I understand the *purpose* of the Brienne chapters; you'll note I did not mention her character as something I take issue with. I do take issue with the fact that the Brave Companions—described in this very book as rapers, killers, and liars, who in fact intend to rape and kill Brienne—spoonfeed her true information about The Hound and other things. She then gets spoonfed some more, literally and figuratively, by the Brothers of the Quiet Isle. It's so ludicrously convenient that it would be laughed out of a junior college writing course.
If one wanted to have a fortuitous coincidence, a natural evolution of the story would have been for Pod to tell her, or for her to 'recall' Jaime telling her, that if the trail ran cold, the best thing she could do would be to seek out Littlefinger (the obvious choice when looking for intel), and Brienne still has the letter stating she's on a royal mission, so she wouldn't be turned away or denied.

[Anonymous No.20144266]

Feast and Dance would have been way better if they weren’t parallel books, cut some of the pointless side characters, and George included the planned big battle at the end.

It bothers me he takes so long to make it and is still sacrificing quality for release limitations.

[Anonymous No.20145410]

>>20143638
I still cannot believe how brutally Martin fucked Theon. I don't think there's a single character in the entire story who has a worse life.

[Anonymous No.20145605]

>>20133076
I hope some day you grow out of worrying about whether or not your genuine enjoyment of something makes you a redditor or not

[Anonymous No.20145830]

>>20145605
You don't understand because you are a redditor

[Anonymous No.20146157]

>>20145830
Are you underage perchance?

[Anonymous No.20146582]

Reminder that Theon STILL HAS HIS COCK AND BALLS

[Anonymous No.20146652]

I feel sorry for Robert

[Anonymous No.20146775]

>>20143705
> The reason "Valar Morghulis" is responded to with "Valar Dohaeris" is because the Children changed their strategy regarding the "Human Question" from "all men must die" to "all men must serve."
That's cool, but the rest of it doesn't make much sense. What does Bran allow them to do that Brynded couldn't? Walk around? Kek.

Even if they manage to put him on the Iron Throne, the whole point so far was that kings and lords don't play the Game of Thrones - the game plays them, and it's never over. Instead of enslaving humans, CotF would just enslave themselves to the Iron Throne. And so far they've balked from the concept so hard that they STILL didn't even learn how to smelt iron. If they were okay with no longer being CotF in order to survive, they would just adopt the feudal civilization lifestyle from the First Men.

[Anonymous No.20146858]

>>20146582
Fun meme, but doesn't Ramsay LITERALLY say he took them? Like multiple times?

[Anonymous No.20146918]

>>20146582
He has only taken toes and fingers and that other thing, when he might have had my tongue, or peeled the skin off my legs from heel to thigh.

-

"Reek, get over here. Get her ready for me."

For a moment he did not understand. "I … do you mean … m'lord, I have no … I …"

[Anonymous No.20146956]

>>20132406
Dany and Bran seem the worst to me, I liked quentin, and didn't dislike Arianne.
As for everything else, pretty on point.

[Anonymous No.20146973]

>>20136357
>if he thinks spring will be published.
He is 100% aware he won't finish it

[Anonymous No.20147013]

>>20131598
when tf did this happen

[Anonymous No.20147664]

>>20137740
He's specifically said he's not doing this.

[Anonymous No.20147824]

>>20146775
Imo Brynden was their original agent for bending the kingdoms to their agenda . It seems beyond coincidence that he's half Targaryen and half Blackwood, another family with potent greenseer abilities and likely COTF blood.
> CotF would just enslave themselves to the Iron Throne.
The COTF are primordial fairies that could annihilate all life on Westeros if they really wanted to, the throne is meaningless to them beyond a tool to pacify menfolk and protect/proliferate the trees. This is the whole point of Bran's arc and why GRRM is going to make him king, the game of thrones is pointless dickswinging, the weirwood trees are the real power.

[Anonymous No.20147857]

>>20131276
>>20131319
>>20131390
>>20131421
>>20131424
It is evident from the prose that GRRM does not understand how syntax works. I will never understand why people drool over shitty LOTR fanfiction and 102 IQ Santa

[Anonymous No.20147876]

>>20147857
So where's your internationally beloved book series, syntax master?

[Anonymous No.20147881]

>>20131488
fax

[Anonymous No.20147900]

>>20136326
well the base game gets boring after like 3 playthroughs so that's not saying much.

[Anonymous No.20147908]

>>20138656
Seeing all the "literature critic" types whine about him made me like the books even more.

[Anonymous No.20147943]

Does Martin refute his own gay philosophy in the 1st book?
>Bad king gets killed and a strong man imposes his rule over the land, deftly guided by skilled counsellors
>Peace and prosperity
>In the North, a good lord rules
>Peace and prosperity

>Ambitious retards seize power
>War and chaos

[Anonymous No.20147978]

>>20147943
Martin's whole point is that people strong men can still get stabbed in the back by sneaky Jews and that "honour" for a man in Neds position means protecting the wicked and leaving himself wide open to get stabbed too more than anything else.
The endgame is going to be Bran's CIAwood gestapo state and we get a preview of what this would be like from Bloodraven's time as hand where he'd just use his psychic powers to kill anyone that was vaguely a threat to the Targaryens, even his own brothers and nephews, and acquired a completely tyrannical reputation.

[Anonymous No.20148168]

>>20135131
I was just thinking the other day that, for the show at least, it would be a perfect setting for a serialized TV show. You'd still have continuity but you could just casually tune in and watch a self contained episode of intrigue, adventure, romance set in a rich world with tons of unique characters.
Ditch the overarching plots and just develop the world and characters each episode, it'd be great.

[Anonymous No.20148334]

>>20146858
no
>>20146918
Written by a tumblr fag but it checks out.
https://emiliosandoz.tumblr.com/post/91408667498/official-gathering-of-meta-as-to-why-book-theon-still

[Anonymous No.20148397]

>>20147876
>You don't like Burger King? Okay Emeril Lagasse, let's see how you cook!

[Anonymous No.20148406]

>>20148397
If you couldn't yourself make a better burger than burger king then you are literally incapable of using an oven.

[Anonymous No.20148432]

>>20148334
Makes a pretty good case honestly. Assuming GRRM wrote all of that with intent Theon could very much still have his cock

[Anonymous No.20148477]

>>20148334
interesting perspective despite all the tumblr posturing. though ramsey being a butcher and not being surgically precise enough to cut off his cock is kind of a poor point, given that the dude is an expert on flaying skin as a torture method. he may not be a johns hopkins surgeon, but he knows how to remove and flay parts while keeping the person alive.

[Anonymous No.20148519]

>hunnhunnhuh dicks and incest hunhun
>uhuhhh huhuhhh omg so complex you thought he was a bad guy but he was a good guy lol

most cringe book series of all time

[Anonymous No.20148528]

>>20148519
"I didn't read the series. You like it. So I will say something retarded"

[Anonymous No.20148530]

>>20148519
you haven't read them

[Anonymous No.20148564]

OH NO AHAHAHAAH

[Anonymous No.20148712]

>>20146775
>What does Bran allow them to do that Brynded couldn't?
Bloodraven can't warg humans, Bran can. Bran is the most powerful telepath/warg, possibly on the order of millennia. Bran's full potential is unknown, but we know he's more powerful than Brynden Rivers, and the whole point of the Varamyr Six-Skins prologue was to show that Bran is the exception to the rule of "you can't warg another human."

If CotF gain the power to warg humans there never will be anyone playing the game of thrones, just them. They will be able to manipulate anyone who questions the new royal line that starts with Bran.

[Anonymous No.20148851]

>>20131276
I watched the show and enjoyed the 4 seasons (though 4 was a little weaker), and picked up the books right after. Currently on Clash of Kings, and while it's good, every time I turn the page and see "Bran" I just lose the will to keep reading, have to force myself through the chapter to get back to the interesting stuff. I'm dreading hitting books 4 and 5, since everyone always says it's entirely side shit.

[Anonymous No.20148985]

>>20147824
But how was Bloodraven bending the kingdoms to the children's agenda? He doesn't seem to have done anything to protect the trees or make new ones. The only thing he's known for is fucking up the blackfyres, you'd think someone would mention it if he had taken some sort of actions relating to the wierwoods.

[Anonymous No.20149020]

>>20148851
>I'm dreading hitting books 4 and 5, since everyone always says it's entirely side shit
this is not true. especially not for book 5.

[Anonymous No.20149089]

Reminder: Jaqen H'ghar was en route to the wall to kill a target before running into Arya and being sidetracked. The most likely target was Bloodraven, as there was an assassination paid for in Blackfyre gold (Arya finds coins with a face she cannot recognize, paralleling the Dunk and Egg story where they can't recognize the face on the coin because it's Daemon Blackfyre).

>>20148985
Everyone thinks Blooddraven is dead, it's been over a hundred years since he was lord commander of the night's watch. There's no reason to suspect he's doing anything.

[Anonymous No.20149095]

>>20148851
as a showfag I liked 4 and 5. The dornish and iron isles plots are very different from the show. Brienne's story drags at the start because she's looking for Arya and Sansa while you know exactly where they are. Sansa's in the Vale actually learning to play the Game of Thrones, Arya's less of a mary sue in Braavos. Cersei and Jaime's chapters are the best part of AFFC though.

[Anonymous No.20149277]

>>20149089
Yeah but I'm saying in his tenure as hand of the king/lord of whisperers he's not known for anything but fighting the blackfyres and killing egg's dad. You would think that someone would mention him protecting or expanding the trees if he really was an agent of the children.

[Anonymous No.20149325]

>>20148985
Bloodraven had to fuck up the Blackfyres so that Bran could be king. Had history been different there would be no mad king, no rebellion, no war of the five kings, Bran probably wouldn't even exist. Bran being king is the COTF agenda

[Anonymous No.20149334]

>>20148564
>The Winds of Winter end up having more than 5000 pages
Would you forgive him for the delay if this was the case?

[Anonymous No.20149357]

>>20149089
Imo the target was Maester Aemon. Merwyn was telling the truth about the Citadel conspiracy to cover up the existence of magic and how they will assassinate any maester who makes too much noise about it. Aemon knew too much so he had to go.
He's going to the wall, so his target must be there or beyond there, as far as we know he never arrives. Sam and Aemon leave to go to Oldtown, Jaqen shows up in Oldtown. This can only mean his original target was no longer at the wall.

[Anonymous No.20149360]

>>20149334
I've genuinely suspected this might be the case for a while. We know he's willing to write one book taking up more than one volume, and with his inability to stop himself from bloating things I'd be shocked if Winds is less than 2,500 pages.