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20124559 No.20124559 [Reply] [Original]

Any books like berserk or dark souls influence?
Probably dark fantasy, like really dark fantasy

>> No.20124591

>>20124559
You know, now that Miura had been dead it has given us time to ponder.
It really is a bit overrated and it’s only as highly praised because expectations for manga are laughably low.
It’s flaws have become all too obvious, it loses direction after the Golden Age arc, it becomes edgy for the sake of being edgy, Silat’s subplot goes nowhere, Guts’ companions are annoying or useless, and the schedule slipping becomes unbearable.
Let’s not forget that they were on that boat for SEVEN FUCKING YEARS of real life time.
It’s impossible not to feel a little bit resentful and disappointed, if only Miura hadn’t taken so many hiatuses to play Idolmaster he might have been able to finish Berserk before he died, especially because so many (jokingly) predicted this exact thing was gonna happen.
It doesn’t matter how Berserk ends after his editors take over, his death will always cast a shadow over the finished product.

>> No.20124617

>>20124559
fantasy is gay and so are you
please stay in the retard containment thread where you belong

>> No.20124825

>>20124591
The first anime series is a lot better than the manga

>> No.20124871

>>20124591
You'd think after 30 years he would have thought about some plan for recourse. I don't care how young he was when he started or if it's considered disrespectful to talk about passing down your works to your successors in nipland. This shit bit him where it hurts the most for all the stalling he did and it caught up to him.

>> No.20124874

>>20124559
Typical japanese shit. Their ethnic incapability of understanding monotheistic religions and their inherent love for all things "comparative" has made them make the error time and time again of gnosticising specific spiritual traditions. All religion is evil in their eyes and their incapability of separating their own ridiculous cult (shintoism) from the actual truth (Christianity, specifically Catholicism) is a real stain on the collective consciousness of the Japanese.
Just a complete blind spot in their comprehension.

We see the same in Evangelion and video games (persona etc.) and is unavoidable in japan.

>> No.20124877

>>20124617
Eat shit nigger faggot tranny jew globohomo demon russian shill faggot jew

>> No.20124897

Manga is a shitty medium because it's designed to be serialized for however long readers want it rather than telling a story with an actual plot that goes somewhere

>> No.20124906

>>20124825
BASED
For me only the first anime is canon

>> No.20124910

>>20124874
A westerner obsessed with good and evil, how typical.

>> No.20124922

>>20124910
A Jap obsessed with little girls and dies from overwork, how typical.

>> No.20124988

>>20124825
the lack of annoying gay faeries and moving the black swordsman arc to later on in the chronology made alot of sense to me. it made the eclipse alot more surprising and insane since you kinda forget its a dark fantasy for a long time as the supernatural shit takes a backseat to human politics and wars

>> No.20124991

>>20124910
A nip reading Jung and jerking off, how typical.

>> No.20124995

>>20124591
>It really is a bit overrated
it's extremely overrated

>> No.20125008

>>20124591
I am not an expert, and I've only read it up to Golden Age then stopped soon after because I didn't want to join the fandom purgatory where I wait for them to get off of the boat.
Anyways, I really enjoyed it, but it became quite obvious that he wasn't sure where to go with it as you said, and didn't want to work on it anymore.

>> No.20125034

>>20124559
Berserk is crap, stupid zoomer shithead.
Read Tezuka's Hi no Tori or Daisuke Igarashi's Children of the Sea if you want something that's actually good.

>> No.20125045

>>20124874
>the actual truth (Christianity, specifically Catholicism)
No one intelligent who wasn't brainwashed, since birth, into imbuing relevance onto a dumb and narcissistic Jew from the Levant gives a shit about Cuckstianity

>> No.20125051
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>>20125034
i humored you by googling it anon, first of all niggers cannot be children of the sea as they lack blue eyes and cannot swim. if they were children of the sea they would have built massive naval empires based on massive ship fleets that ruled ports around the world wouldnt they? but they didnt, whitey did that, like everything else of note in human history
secondly how can you call berserk zoomer garbage when this mixed race mutt shit is from 2007? not even a huge fan of berserk but go fuck yourself, not even gonna bother googling the other one

>> No.20125053

>>20124874
Correct.

>> No.20125059

>>20125045
Thanks, Richard Dawkins. I didn't know that New Atheists were still crawling around after their little flash in the pan for a year or two. Good to see some bug-brained afterbirth like you still crawling in its filth.

>> No.20125064

>>20124874
lmao triggered

>> No.20125065

>>20125051
The other one is even more laughable dude.. It's just a huge Buddhist reincarnation circlejerk.

>> No.20125070

>>20124591
he literally spent 40 years of his life making a single story you pleb.
i dont get where this "he was lazy" meme comes from.
realistically would you work like he did and not reach a point in your 50's where you think "wtf am i doing, isn't the point of life actually to live and make lasting memories" so I can forgive him for taking those breaks towards the end.
the truth is he was probably one of the most dedicated artists of the 20th century and like many great works before it, berserk will remain unfinished but a fantastic piece of work regardless.

>> No.20125084

>>20125051
He's Philippinean, dumb edgelord cunt. Like a dark South East Asian.
Even Mishima wish he were dark...
>>20125059
I'm not a New Atheist..I hate Abrahamic religions and don't think a dumb Jew from the Levant was anything special

>> No.20125085

>>20125045
>Cuckstianity
Rolls off the tongue. Nothing will surpass Neofaganism.

>> No.20125099

>>20125065
at least scifi buddhism sounds slightly more interesting than "hey remember ponyo? that but shit"

>> No.20125106

>>20125051
Also, Guts doesn't even have blue eyes himself, and industrialization was a mistake and no good has come from it, dumb snow nigger trash. There's no woke bullshit in that manga. It's just about the spiritual dimension of the sea, such as how it reflects certain properties of our bodies (e.g. hydrothermal vaults resembling biofilm), and how some primitive peoples were closer to understanding its mysteries.

>> No.20125110

>>20124559
people will recommend the dark chronicle series since its about a mercenary group in your typical dark fantasy setting, but personally those books always felt like they had schizophrenic whiplash theming to me.
in the first book you go from the gang rape of a child to soldiers not wanting to swear because its rude within the space of a single chapter.
personally I suppose you may appreciate elric of melnibone, though it's not a particularily deep story, it does have the whole "cynical main character who looks evil but is actually a good guy" thing going on as well as the larger themes such as universal karmic balance and reincarnation going on.

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>>20125085
i used to know a girl named "phagan". not sure what her parents were thinking on that one
still cuckstainity is pretty funny
>CLEAN IT UP, JOSPEH

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>>20124874
>their own ridiculous cult (shintoism) from the actual truth (Christianity, specifically Catholicism)

>> No.20125116

>>20125070
Yeah he was far from lazy. He was just burned out. He started off an interesting story with good characters and story beats, pushed it through two climaxes and realized he was nowhere near the end.

>> No.20125118

>>20125085
Not a Neopagan either.
Why don't you cry to your dead Jew some more to come down and actually make a difference? He was just a stupid narcissistic Jew who proclaimed to be God. There were plenty of other better mystics like Empedocles, Spiritual Semites.

>> No.20125121

>>20124591
Berserk up to the Eclipse is perfect. I think he just didn't really know where he wanted to take the story from there. Obviously the artwork is great but the story is kind of meh.

>>20124825
For me it's the Susumu Hirasawa music.

>> No.20125127

>>20125065
>>20125099
Genuinely kill yourselves, edgelord pieces of shit. There's no woke shit in that manga. All of identity politics obsessed fags should be decapitated.

>> No.20125128

>>20125084
looks like a nigger to me and ive known plenty of flips
>>20125106
no but guts looks like a swarthy german so hes acceptable. and industrialization is different that colonization you dumb cunt. go back to college, i know youre still butthurt that your entire peoples civilization, technology and culture comes from snow niggers.
>primitive peoples were closer to understanding its mysteries
like who, niggers? niggers didnt even build boats you dumb animal, the most advanced races are the ones to plunge into its depths and discover its mysteries, not jungle apes that worship it like a god and never managed to dive deeper than a few feet

>> No.20125132

>>20124559
The Black Combany from Glenn Cook endeared itself to me during the two books I've read it.
I also liked the Felix & Gotrek books from William King. Not sure about the later incarnations though. The titular hero also became a franchise mascot, which pretty much guarantees his story never gets a proper conclusion either

>> No.20125134

>>20125070
>he literally spent 40 years of his life making a single story you pleb.
You’d think he would be a bit more dedicated when crafting his magnum opus, instead he made a bunch of questionable decisions and took a bunch of breaks. Shows you he wasn’t as committed as you think he was. And if he really did get tired of Berserk fine, I can understand that. But at least have the decency of actually finishing the story so you can’t put it behind you, he wasn’t taking his sweet time because he knew Berserk sales made bank so he could just take it easy and live off the profits much like GRRM is doing.
>realistically would you work like he did and not reach a point in your 50's where you think "wtf am i doing, isn't the point of life actually to live and make lasting memories" so I can forgive him for taking those breaks towards the end.
He was taking breaks to play Idolmaster lmao. I can’t imagine him being in heaven and thinking, “damn, I’m so glad I stopped working on Berserk to play Idolmaster. So many memories of lolis singing and underaged panty shots...”

>> No.20125138

>>20124874
>Their ethnic incapability of understanding monotheistic religions and their inherent love for all things "comparative" has made them make the error time and time again of gnosticising specific spiritual traditions. All religion is evil in their eyes and their incapability of separating their own ridiculous cult (shintoism) from the actual truth (Christianity, specifically Catholicism) is a real stain on the collective consciousness of the Japanese.
I don't think Japan thinks all religions are evil, they probably just have bad memories of the Portuguese and Spanish attempts to spread Catholicism there. They're largely just taking stuff they think looks cool and putting a Japanese spin on it.

>> No.20125146

>>20125118
I didn't mean to upset you. Cuckstianity is actually a really clever pun, and totally not forced. Feel better?

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>>20125146
lmao the seethe and cope coming off of you is visible anon, go take a shower and smoke a cigarette and come back when youve calmed down

>> No.20125153

>>20125128
>looks like a nigger to me and ive known plenty of flips
No, it's a flip as the manga makes clear.
Maybe more from an aboriginal tribe of some sort.
>no but guts looks like a swarthy german so hes acceptable
No, he doesn't.
Your brain has rotted from identity politics. I don't like woke shit in artwork, but there's a difference between having someone nonwhite who fits the plot versus just shoving it in from nowhere.
>and industrialization is different that colonization you dumb cunt.
Industrialization was a failure, and Europeans basically unleashed a cancer onto this Earth which is now metastizing thanks to Big Data and cloud servers.
>like who, niggers
There's no nigger in the fucking manga.
>? niggers didnt even build boats you dumb animal, the most advanced races are the ones to plunge into its depths and discover its mysteries, not jungle apes that worship it like a god and never managed to dive deeper than a few fee
No, most advanced race is the one who is self-reliant without creating organization dependent technologies. Watch Jago: Life Underwater. I respect him more than snow nigger trash like you. You have the mentality no different than a Jew and should sepukku.

>> No.20125160

>>20125153
you are a bot with zero reading comprehension lmao, how is colonization the same as industrialization you faggot?

>> No.20125171

>>20125153
>I respect him more than snow nigger trash like you.
you assume that im concerned with the respect of whatever mongrel race you were spawned from. go cannibalize your aunt and surgically remove and replace your testicles with coral in a shamanic ritual you faggot, go dive in the ocean and get raped to death by dolphins, i really do not care for the fate of you or your bastard race of jungle apes, whatever variety of ape they may be

>> No.20125181

>>20125151
>Seethe and cope
Nigga I'm not even a Christcuck. I just think "Cuckstianity" is kinda forced.

>> No.20125187

>>20125160
I never brought up colonization, you stupid snow nigger trash. There are no niggers in that manga, you pea brained obsessed identity politics fag.
Also, what "good" values does the West have to spread? Worshiping a dumb Jew on a stick from the Levant? Not giving a fuck about the mystical dimension of nature?
If there were more whites like Ludwig Klages, I would agree you're impressive, but you're actually the most pathetic race on this entire Earth. Cuckstianity has even less Indo European influences than Pisslam. You are no different than Jews in spirit and mind. You and Jews are one and the same especially considering you've been worshiping one for over 1000 fucking years.

>> No.20125191

>>20125171
Go back to worshiping a Jew on a stick, you spiritual Semite. Worship a Jew, become a Jew. Simple as. Now kys.

>> No.20125195

And here comes the Iranian schizo to shit up another thread.

>> No.20125196

>a thread asking for dark fantasy recommendations devolved into typical 4chan shitflinging
Where did it all go wrong?

>> No.20125205

>>20125196
I recommended a popular manga and some /pol/ brained fag claims it's woke shit, which it is not. He also yelled white power bullshit and other crap that has nothing to do with the manga.

>> No.20125212

>>20125187
>Not giving a fuck about the mystical dimension of nature?
white men are the only men on earth that ever gave a fuck about nature, dont kid yourselves. abos in australia burned down entire rainforests and jungles just to make hunting easier. mayans and aztecs did the same to produce limestone for their buildings. the worlds largest producers of trash and pollution in todays world are almost all nonwhite countries, most of them asian, with some middle eastern and african contenders. its not our fault you dumb niggers cant handle our technology; it seems white men are perfectly capable of sustaining a balance between nature and civilization. but give a jungle ape like you a single match and a machete and youll destroy a continents worth of forests just to smoke out some lemurs for stew

>> No.20125224

>>20125191
also you misfired im the pagan nazi white supremacist idk what happened to the christian one, he turned into an agnostic
>>20125205
OP asked for dark fantasy recommends and you recommend some zoomer faggot trash about dolphins so honestly were about equal in blame as far as derailing the thread goes

>> No.20125236

>>20125212
>white men are the only men on earth that ever gave a fuck about nature, dont kid yourselves
Not at all besides some exceptions like Ludwig Klages, Schopenhauer, and Ted Kaczynski.
>abos in australia burned down entire rainforests and jungles just to make hunting easier. mayans and aztecs did the same to produce limestone for their buildings
Without industrialization, the damage cannot be significant due to lack of industry. Ancient Celts were the same way, but their actions still were aligned with nature. The issue is with industrialization and the mentality that led to it.
>the worlds largest producers of trash and pollution in todays world are almost all nonwhite countries, most of them asian,
Industrialization cannot coexist with biodiversity of nature. Read Klages and Ted.
>its not our fault you dumb niggers cant handle our technology
It's not helping you either. Technology strips away autonomy, destroys local cultures, invaded every facet of life, and more. Now we're moving in the direction of cloud-brain interfaces with "Internet of Bodies".
>it seems white men are perfectly capable of sustaining a balance between nature and civilization.
There can be no balance between technology and nature.
>but give a jungle ape like you a single match and a machete and youll destroy a continents worth of forests just to smoke out some lemurs for stew
Ancient Celts were like this, and it's fine because population levels and more were kept in check due to lack organization dependent technologies.
Infant mortality served a role in genetic winnowing

>> No.20125247

>>20125134
Idolmaster is based though, good for him

>> No.20125277
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>>20125224
Daisuke Igarashi is a visionary. You should still check out his works.

>> No.20125321

>>20124897
You're right, it does sacrifice quality. The nature of the industry makes excellent stuff very rare, but I think the existence of Punpun, vagabond, made in abyss proves, to me at least, that the medium is capable of excellence

>> No.20125344

>>20124874
>the actual truth (Christianity, specifically Catholicism)
*dibs fedora*
We all know that Chrisitianity is Neo-Platonist mysticism mixed with Jewish mythology and veiled worship of pagan idols given the name of "saints".

>> No.20125370

>>20125236
jesus christ anon im not reading all that gay shit

>> No.20125386

This is thread is absolute shit. Berserk is overrated. Japshit is overrated. You don't have to be a Christian to come to that conclusion. Jannies, clean this up.

>> No.20125406
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Hi no Tori / Phoenix is a masterpiece. The anime adaptation is trash though. Volumes 2, 4, 6, and 10-11 were my favorites.

>> No.20126687

>>20125110
Thank u op much appreciated >>20124591
Dude give me stuff darker and artistic like berserk
>>20125196
Please anon save me! >>20125195
>>20125277
Thank you anon

>> No.20126690

>>20125406
Thank you anon

>> No.20126694

>>20125386
>overrated
I AM JUST ASKING FOR DARK FANTASY RECCOMADTIONS YOU FUCKING STUPID COCK SUCKING NIGGGGGERRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

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>>20124559
The only good thing is the manga is Miura being a pedophile and making Schierke funny and cute. Remember that ass-shot? Uoooooohh!!

>> No.20126705
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>>20126694
The Darkness that Comes Before by R. Scott Bakker.

>> No.20126796

>>20126705
This

>> No.20126806

>>20125386
No it's not, and no it's not. If I had to guess, you're someone who dismisses graphic novels/manga as an artform entirely.

>>20125116
>nowhere near the end
have you actually read it? how can you say that with all that was going on

>>20124874
Even stupider than the above two. It's depressing actually to think a human being wrote this. You should honestly kill yourself

>> No.20126808

>>20124591
>it becomes edgy for the sake of being edgy
A considerable part of post-GA is Guts realizing that edginess only drives him further away from humanity. I found it to be rather optimistic.
>if only Miura hadn’t taken so many hiatuses to play Idolmaster he might have been able to finish Berserk before he died
Miura was a known perfectionist to those who worked with him, with one being on record saying that he would change individual pixels in some panels after they switched to digital.
The idolmaster meme is only that - a meme.

>>20125008
>I've only read it up to Golden Age then stopped soon after
>it became quite obvious that he wasn't sure where to go with it
Come on now.

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since i guess this is the /lit/-approved /a/ thread,
anyone read Houseki no Kuni? Binged it a few months ago and liked it a lot.

>> No.20126816 [DELETED] 

>>20126806
>>nowhere near the end
>have you actually read it? how can you say that with all that was going on
>20125116 nevermind i realize i misread you. Thought you said, "by the end, he had gotten nowhere"

>> No.20126826

>>20126806
>>nowhere near the end
>have you actually read it? how can you say that with all that was going on
nevermind i realize i misread you. Thought you said, "by the end, he had gotten nowhere" >>20125116

>> No.20126827

>>20126806
Their posts were horrendous with low IQ arguments but they at least tried. Reread yours, it contains absolutely zero, you're just a seething weeb. Retard.

>> No.20126830

>>20124559
fag

>> No.20126833

>>20126827
1) someone dismisses berserk and "japshit" as overrated. What am I supposed to say? Write a high effort post about why the japanese have made good art, including berserk? No.
2) Am I supposed to explain to him why religion is wrong? He'll just call me a "new atheist", as if that is an argument

>> No.20126835

>>20126833
>Am I supposed to explain to him why religion is wrong?
Yeah, that'd be more in-line with /lit/ than anything else in this dogshit thread

>> No.20126848

>>20126705
Thanks mate

>> No.20126865

>>20126835
This thread is someone asking for literature recommendations based on something that isn't literature. I don't see what is wrong with that. However, some portion of /lit/ felt the need to attack him (with tears in their eyes, it would seem). The lack of empathy gets tiresome after a while.

The belief in the supernatural required by religion is a belief without evidence. It should be taken just as seriously as any superstitious belief.

>> No.20126889

>>20126865
>I don't see what is wrong with that
The issue is that there are roughly 10 threads asking this same exact question every week.
And besides that Berserk has a pretty unique identity to it that can't be easily replicated in other mediums (outside obvious references like in Dark Souls, which is an even dumber thing to ask for recs similar to)

>> No.20126920

>>20126889
>The issue is that there are roughly 10 threads asking this same exact question every week.
That's fair, but does that explain the bottom-tier posts in this thread? Maybe it does, honestly.
>Berserk has a pretty unique identify to it that can't be easily replicated in other mediums
This is perfectly legitimate. If people had posted in kind with yours, no one would have a problem

>> No.20127044

>>20125045
>>20125118
>narcissistic Jew
Didn't I see your ressentimental ass before?

>> No.20127054

>>20125344
>Neo-Platonism
Literally forced to make a concession to Christianity.

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>>20124559

>> No.20127275

Fuck off

>> No.20127516

>>20127275
Fuck You pos

>> No.20127726

>>20124591
>he didnt get a philosophy master to understand berserk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxTwYdYzw8c

>> No.20127815

>>20125138
>they probably just have bad memories of the Portuguese and Spanish attempts to spread Catholicism there
No one is alive to remember it.

>> No.20129116

>>20124591
Yes it was dragging. However, the gnosis is what really made me want to see the end of this. Subplots sucked, but griffith, and godhand plans, we will not now what they are, except if the editors have a clear definition of the story.

>> No.20129611

>>20124874
nice bait

>> No.20129634

>>20124874
Shinji rejects Gnostic “eschaton imminentization” in Neon Genesis Evangelion. Have you even seen it?

And for the record, to any extent they view dogmatic religion negatively in Japan, it’s because their experience with comes by way of either terrorist attacks or obnoxious and rude evangelicals.

>> No.20129643

>>20124559

The Book of the New Sun series by Gene Wolfe.

>> No.20129654

>>20126694
The problem with dark fantasy novels is that they tend to come out too edgy, especially since Westerners are currently obsessed with realism.

>> No.20129682

>>20129654
And a lot of fantasy itself is just kind of bad and lame for various reasons. That’s part of it too I guess.

>> No.20129906

>>20124874
Yeah, this is unfortunately very true. The Japanese are the worst offenders when it comes to the lazy "Evil Church of Evil" cliché.

>> No.20130074

>>20124874
>Catholicism
Oh you mean those people who sacrifice children on obsidian stone in the Vatican basements since the beginning?
Vatican is literally flooded with satanic symbolism. Yes, even before Vatican 2.
Do you even know what Luciferianism is?
Do you even think the Catholic hierarchy isn't luciferian?
You people really are stupid.
t. born and raised Catholic. (But apparently less stupid than the catholic masses).

>> No.20130789

>>20124897
>>>/a/235860896

>> No.20131236

>>20125134
>he wasn’t as committed as you think he was
He worked like a madman for 32 fucking years.
What was the longest time you've ever worked at a project, faggot?
How old are you? Willing to bet you're younger than 32. You speak like an arrogant little shit who has never done anything (and never will).

>> No.20131262

William Hope Hogdson's The Night Land. I feel like it could have been an influence on Berserk, no idea if any western media was praised by Miura while in the creative process but I think fans would really like The Night Land. I see some similarities between the two and >>20127062

>> No.20131738

>>20124988
This. When I first watched it I had completely forgotten about the first episode and later Zodd by the time the eclipse happened.

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>>20130074
>bunch of conspiracy theories and gnostic blabbering
Seethe harder, Prot.

>> No.20131802

>>20124874
Gnosticism represents a completely reasonable explanation for the question of evil in our world. Some of the greatest western writers of all time are guilty themselves of flirting with Gnosticsm. I don't see why it's a bad thing that the Japanese tend to have gnostic undertones in their works.

>> No.20131814

>>20124559
The Darkness That Comes Before. Similar down to the inexplicable decision to graphically detail a troll rape orgy several thousand pages into the story.

>> No.20131818

>>20125121
Lost Children is the best Arc though, and Conviction is still good. Millennium Falcon is weaker though. That's as far as I've made it.

>> No.20132126

>>20124591
I've noticed this with some modern pop writers, especially those who are trying to subvert certain tropes. They have a lot of energy at first but get to a point where its hard to progress.

Ice and fire is the same.

You can't finish the story of berserk without a power up like Goku.
Shit guess I'll kill time on a boat with some side kicks... Make up some bad guys nobody gives a fuck about.

The fact he took back the idea of evil is also really gay. He should have leant into that it was interesting

>> No.20132268

Vinland Saga's first two arcs is probably the closest understanding from a manga author I've seen (so far) of how people of that time period viewed reality (around the year 1000). Not on the subject of Christianity specifically around that time period, the author didn't seem to know much about that in detail. But on the way a few important characters saw themselves and others firmly embedded within a specific story or a mythological history much bigger and older than themselves, and acted it out

>> No.20132287

>>20124591
imagine getting filtered
by BERSERK

>> No.20132304

>>20124559
Can't believe no one's recommended Between Two Fires. It's awesome, like Berserk in plague era France.

>> No.20132310

My favorite fantasy world in western fantasy is a children's book series, the Edge Chronicles. It has death, dangerous and mysterious environments, and individuals left ruined or crippled by the many dangers of its world. But it still keeps a certain sense of levity and deep curiosity of the unknown within the characters that I've found missing in what I've read of fantasy worlds depicted in adult fantasy novels. Simply haven't come across a world I've liked as much as Edge Chronicles in any other fantasy series so far in books aimed towards adult audiences. And it doesn't rob too much from Tolkein compared to others

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A Song of Ice and Fire

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OP, the fact that nobody mentioned Guin Saga means that you shouldn't have listened to a single one of them

>> No.20132393

>>20124559
Is this the designated Bakker thread?

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>>20126815
it was nice, i feel like it ended in a great way, even if it's technically on hiatus.

>> No.20132625

>>20124825
>>20125121
I agree on the anime bros

>> No.20132693

>>20132327
I watched the anime. It's pretty boring as fuck. It's no surprise that it never got any new ENG translations past volume five to this day.

>> No.20132720

>>20132393
No, Bakker is shit and terrible while Kentaro Miura was a legend.

>> No.20132726

Another thread ruined by christcucks
They truly are the 4chan equivalent of triggered snowflakes

>> No.20132740

>>20126815
Yeah, its good
I find it really unique, because its basically your typical shonen but without any edgy shit

>> No.20132878

>>20126815
I haven't thought about it enough to get closer to what the author is probably doing with more clarity, but the way it turned out reminded me of how some religions will simultaneously sacrifice a scapegoat as a victim and revere it as a god.
The one gripe I have is that the anime did the part with Antarc better than the manga did it, and that was a very important piece to everything.

>> No.20132906

>>20124559
>books like berserk
The Iliad

>> No.20132921

>>20131236
>32 years
Yeah that’s the most pathetic part. Three decades to drag a dead story along for money instead of finishing your opus

>> No.20132999

>>20124559
Read Gene Wolfe

>> No.20133090

>>20124874
kys chr*stcuck

>> No.20133118

>>20131741
Sure.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3a/e9/d4/3ae9d4996e71463fb84ae2130a63326a.jpg

>> No.20133119

>>20125196
Christers are exceptionally insecure and feel the need to spread their ridiculous cult in every thread on this board

>> No.20133124

>>20129634
Shinji is actually a gnostic hero and Instrumentality is inherently demiurgic.

>> No.20133149

Opinion on basic bros getting brand of sacrifice tattoos?

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Have to disagree with comments like "Beserk is just any manga," and "only Golden Age is good."

Beserk shares many of the weaknesses of graphic novels and manga, namely that exposition and dialogue take up a lot of space and so can be lacking.

The exposition in Beserk is actually some of the best parts, but only certain types. Where it works is in lore and history dumps. The explanation of the history of the Tower of Rebirth is good, or the opening of Lost Children. The info dump on the astral world in Millennium Falcon is one of the best, really fleshing out the world of Beserk as three layers, the Platonic world of ideas/Logos, the world of actuality, and the world of modal possibility, the astral plane where Gods and demons exist, as well as ledgends. These interact with the physical world of the actual only so much as people believe in them, but have a solid hold on man kinds' unconscious / collective unconscious / archetypes. This is so similar to Bakker's Outside (although Beserk obviously has a lot of influence from Japanese myth too) in The Darkness That Comes Before, and the aesthetics are so similar that I have to imagine Bakker read Beserk.

But the exposition is weak when it has to rely on tons of dialogue. The political plots within Midland and military strategy elements sometimes didn't hit right.

Overall, I'd say Golden Age just lasts a little too long. The climax is so shocking because supernatural elements have been on the fringe for so long, but the endless battles start to blend in it.

It does give time for Guts to slowly age in the art over thousands of pages though and for the Band of the Hawk to feel like family, so maybe it does all pay off.

Lost Children to mid-Conviction is my favorite. Now the supernatural dominates. The problem is that it is so unrelentingly dark that it can't maintain the mood.

Millennium Falcon goes too far in the other direction though. Comic relief starts to shit up some parts and the whole troll section just felt contrived to have an encounter where they find Slaan. That said, it picks up from there and the plotline of Griffith reforming the Band of the Hawk to push back the Kishan Empire is good.

At its best, Beserk is really far above other manga. I've read a bunch because I liked Beserk so much, and most is either bad or just meh. Sort of like fantasy.

Obviously you lose realism has the story goes on and Guts becomes more like a demigod, but I think this works ok with the lore. His will is able to influence reality because he is now part of the Astral World due to the Brand and the Law of Causality working on him.

Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind is the only other manga I thought was as good.

But if you liked Beserk, do yourself a favor and read Bakker. Just be aware that it starts a bit slow and has almost a bit too many plot lines to start. They all converge though and by the second book it is rolling hard.

Cont.

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>>20133338
The second series has some editing problems but is less realist (first series is strictly based on the First Crusade), and so is closer to Beserk.

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That all said, it is worth noting that the first short arc in Beserk is pretty much your average horror/action manga. It doesn't start developing the story until it flashes back to Guts' childhood.

You could sort of miss the Black Swordsman Arc or just hit it after the Eclipse, which is when it is set.

>> No.20133365

>>20124559
Book of the New Sun.

>> No.20133414

>>20132720
Both are atheist cuckold rape fetishists. Don't act superior berserkuck.

>> No.20133629

>>20129116
Has there been some news on wether the editors will continue?
I thought they were just gonna let the manga lie and honestly I think it’s better that way seeing how possessive Miura obviously was over his story.

>> No.20133638

>>20132287
I think you were filtered by this comment.

>> No.20133898

>>20133638
>comment
You need to go back.

>> No.20133914

>>20124559
Tragedy of Man.
It's low fantasy.

>> No.20134180 [DELETED] 

>>20133898
>only associating certain words with how they are used on the internet.
You need to log off

>> No.20134182

>>20133898
>only associating certain words with how they are used on the internet
You need to log off.

>> No.20134232

>>20124874
this post is closest to the truth ITT

>> No.20134259

>>20124617
If your fantasies are gay, boy do I have news for you

>> No.20134447

>>20134180
>>20134182
No need to edit petty mistakes redditor. Everyone can see them.

>> No.20134454

>>20124591
On spot. What a based post.

>> No.20134487

>>20134447
No need to sit on the same thread refreshing literally every minute for an hour to see if you get any (you)s.

>> No.20134497

>>20134487
Now you're clearly just baiting

>> No.20134526

>>20134497
How was this bait, my reply was an more than hour after your post but you still caught it within the minute it was created.

>> No.20134535

>>20134526
Fucking newfags

>> No.20134568

>>20124874
Mozgus wrote this post.

>> No.20134605
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>>20125112
Fukken screencapped
>>20132726
This. I really dont want to engage any of these edgy philistines.
>>20133119
Its inconceivable to them that there are superior beliefs because they are convinced they have the end all be all truth. They might as well bleat repetitively in the dark how happy they are but if they are so happy why are they here bringing so much delusion, hatred and darkness?
Worst is how disparaging they are yet they claim absolute superiority as if its not naked dogma. Emperors new clothes man. Im pleasantly surprised with Buddhists and Hindus discussing amicably and profitably. There's friendly rivalry that is inspiring and honorable.

>> No.20134619

>>20134605
based

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>>20124874
Youre one to talk about ethnic incapability. This graph has deep reverberations. Can you read it? Can you see that it is authoritative despite lacking all the exhaustive proof available bountifully elsewhere or do you need AN APPROVED SOURCE? The more I learn about Asian academia, the more this graph flexes and dabs on me for not being born an Asian. Buddha was a galaxy brain who I believe single handedly raised the IQ of the entire Eastern Hemisphere with his influence on sexual selection and economic political success. I think Jesus browns and downs IQ everywhere he goes. He is dumbed down Plato for the masses such that intellectuals in the West must quietly recluse as castratis at war with each other while the inert masses chew cud and fart wind. Each Aristocracy has toppled thanks to him. Nice a crown of thorns for the king of kings? I'll pass the lobotomy Im already (not) fully vaccinated.

>> No.20134693

>>20134669
If you wanna go that route, Ashkenazi jews have a proven average iq of 115. And jesus was a jew :)

>> No.20134743

>>20134693
Berserk portrays the Star of David/Remphan on Guts's armor to restrain him. It also appears on the sages at ElfHelm.

Now if you were a Jew would you profitably take a vow of poverty and preach complex ultra disciplinary Dhamma to the apathetic unskilled weary world in compassion? Or would you buy the media industry wholesale and distribute dumbed down Plato to crown yourself Pope?
Jews are unparalleled masters of leadership and politics. They know how the dumb will react.

GRIFFFITH
YOU CANT JUST FILL FALCONIA WITH REFUGEES FROM HELL OK
YOU JUST CANT!

>> No.20134763

>>20134743
JOKER!
YOU CANT UH
UH I MEAN GRIFFITH!

>> No.20134808

>>20124559
Steppenwolfe Herman Hesse

>> No.20135002

>>20134743
Yes it's truly a tragedy that the white race has become such a pathetic pawn of the jews. But I suppose it was inevitable.

>> No.20135289

>>20127062
This, except Severian is way more evil than Guts. Guts was a savage as a kid, but became a gentleman in his teens (only to revert briefly), but it took Severian about 23 years and 4 books to develop any sort of conscience or morality.

>> No.20135304

>>20135289
I'd like to add that Guts' childhood was way more messed up. He was brought up on the battlefields and was raped as a kid. Sev just had to clean the Citadel and feed the prisoners. He probably didn't kill anyone by the age of 20, but as soon as he left the Citadel, he started his rape spree all across the Commonwealth.

>> No.20136041

>>20132740
>without any edgy shit
I dunno, the complete degradation of Phos' psyche was pretty fucked up. Maybe "edgy" isn't the right descriptor for it though

>> No.20136258 [DELETED] 

>>20124559
Berserk is actually so based. I love it how so many chuddies love it, without realizing that it completely rails against and btfo Christianity. Quite honestly, Chuds recommending and spreading Berserk to other people is the greatest self own in modern history. It literally proves that Nietzscheanism aligns itself with the anti right wing instinct. The infinite struggle conveyed by Guts, is directly comparable to the infinite struggle of the proletariat against the right wing bourgeoisie. Guts is the modern day left wing. The right wing is the insane pyschotic Christians and clergy who goes around terrorizing and torturing people. It shows the importance of continuously resisting reactionary ideology. Their ideal world is the tyrannical one in berserk. They want tyranny, while the left fundamentally wants equality and freedom. Think about the right wing slave morality present in today. Imagine subjecting yourself to abstractions like virtues, morality, or whatever other idealism. The left wants to free people of that. Guts struggles against the status quo, he is literally progressive in definition. You have the tyrannical right wing Christian overlords ruling over people, and yet there are people that are still Christians, that still worship them. Same in Berserk, and the same in our world, except in ours, they are capitalists. Guts rejects that entirely. It's a perfect series to show how the Church is evil, and how religion and right wing dogma is used to control people. Why is left wing Nietzscheanism so based anons? If you think about it, The entire left, from Bush down, sublimates all that Gutz was is and will be. He is a great man who with his own hands enacts a society where one does not enact justice through their own will, but instead, pays deference to the collective. As he knows that any indivigual struggle is not only doomed to fail, but the ideology itself is silly. This is represented directly by the long boat trip. It takes the majority of the runtime to show that we all live one one big ship called the WORLD. And there are no heros, only the redistribution of the good by the commons to the commons. Gutz' fights are actually a very well constructed satire on the childishness and essential fascism in such wanton displays of masculine projection and coding. Because Ultimately he doesnt get anywhere. His perservierience means nothing, ideology means nothing unless backed by the material and epicurean satisfaction of the whole. he could have died. he could have got hurt. bad things.... dangerous things. but on the ship he goes to fairy land. the whole thing was a masterful deconstruction of the violence inherent in violence.

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Berserk is actually so based. I love it how so many chuddies love it, without realizing that it completely rails against and btfo Christianity. Quite honestly, Chuds recommending and spreading Berserk to other people is the greatest self own in modern history. It literally proves that Nietzscheanism aligns itself with the anti right wing instinct. The infinite struggle conveyed by Guts, is directly comparable to the infinite struggle of the proletariat against the right wing bourgeoisie. Guts is the modern day left wing. The right wing is the insane pyschotic Christians and clergy who goes around terrorizing and torturing people. It shows the importance of continuously resisting reactionary ideology. Their ideal world is the tyrannical one in berserk. They want tyranny, while the left fundamentally wants equality and freedom. Think about the right wing slave morality present in today. Imagine subjecting yourself to abstractions like virtues, morality, or whatever other idealism. The left wants to free people of that. Guts struggles against the status quo, he is literally progressive in definition. You have the tyrannical right wing Christian overlords ruling over people, and yet there are people that are still Christians, that still worship them. Same in Berserk, and the same in our world, except in ours, they are capitalists. Guts rejects that entirely. It's a perfect series to show how the Church is evil, and how religion and right wing dogma is used to control people. Why is left wing Nietzscheanism so based anons? If you think about it, The entire left, from Bush down, sublimates all that Gutz was is and will be. He is a great man who with his own hands enacts a society where one does not enact justice through their own will, but instead, pays deference to the collective. As he knows that any indivigual struggle is not only doomed to fail, but the ideology itself is silly. This is represented directly by the long boat trip. It takes the majority of the runtime to show that we all live one one big ship called the WORLD. And there are no heros, only the redistribution of the good by the commons to the commons. Gutz' fights are actually a very well constructed satire on the childishness and essential fascism in such wanton displays of masculine projection and coding. Because Ultimately he doesnt get anywhere. His perservierience means nothing, ideology means nothing unless backed by the material and epicurean satisfaction of the whole. he could have died. he could have got hurt. bad things.... dangerous things. but on the ship he goes to fairy land. the whole thing was a masterful deconstruction of the violence inherent in violence.

>> No.20136479

>>20125205
You recommended shit because your taste is shit and you are a peasant

>> No.20136562

How the fuck are you retards still getting baited by le christcuck le paganigger shitposting?

>> No.20137338

>>20124591
> it becomes edgy for the sake of being edgy,
Berserk becomes considerably less edgy as it goes on
>Silat’s subplot goes nowhere,
Because the author died, His subplot with rickert was obviously going somewhere

>> No.20137508 [DELETED] 

This thread reeks of ESL medniggers.

>> No.20137510

>>20124559
Thus Spoke Zoroaster

>> No.20137568

>>20125321
Punpun is one of the worst offenders though, there's endless pages of nothing but traced photographs of the city that add nothing and progress nothing

>> No.20137693

>>20127062
>i only know of a single book, and here it is!

>> No.20137726

>>20125112
I know a woman who named their child
>Pagan Unicorn LastName
and they then forced an obessesion with unicorns on the poor soul. That kid is doomed.

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>>20127062
I don't think this fits. Yeah, it's dark, and it is fantasy (sci-fi too), but it is very literary and the themes really aren't the same. It's a great book though, just not that similar.

>>20126705
This does fit, to a T. Similar themes and vibes.

>>20125386
Wrong. Beserk is near the peak of manga, Bakker is near (at?) the peak of genre fiction.

>> No.20138098

>>20133629
There's been some rumors. I would be fine if it stopped.

>> No.20138101

What a shit thread. Here's a rec, OP: Between Two Fires. Some based anon mentioned it here a while back.

>> No.20138102

>>20124591
It was published in a hentai magazine.

>> No.20138107

>>20124897
That’s not the fault of the medium. It’s publishers who want to milk it. There are manga for which that’s not the case because they stuck to the script and didn’t milk it.

>> No.20138108

I just imagine it all worked out in the end. I don't need Berserk to continue. :)

>> No.20138126

>>20125138
Christians were re-branded as terrorists and troublemakers for a long time. Characters like Amakusou Shirou, I think, live on mainly as villainous characters in the minds of most people familiar. The reception of Christianity today is mostly positive, but dogma doesn’t come natural them. Evangelicals don’t do it any favors. But those aside, Gothicism isn’t easily grasped by non-Western people I think and can easily come off as scary, esoteric, medieval.

>> No.20138130

>>20131802
It doesn’t.

>> No.20138133

>>20133124
You are actually wrong.

>> No.20138164

Test

>> No.20138182

>>20124591
>musing this hard over a comic book
Please grow up already for your sake. Berserk is a fine comic book, even if the author didn't get to finish it. Half the shit you listed as flaws are just neurotic nitpicks.

>> No.20138211

Actually the Christianity analogue in Berserk is proven to be a GOOD religion.
If you niggas had read further you’d realize that the fucking POPE makes an appearance and he’s a super chill old guy that guides Midland’s survivors to safety in Falconia (at this point in the story no one knows that the city is filled with demons but there is literally no other safe place left in Midland).
Mozgus was projecting, he was the heretic, not to mention an actual fucking demon.
The only portrayal of pagan religion is the goat headed demons’s Orgy cult where he makes you suck his snake dick to join.
The point Miura was trying to make is that you should follow the TRUE religion and not be tempted by false ones.

>> No.20138486

>>20138211
>Actually the Christianity analogue in Berserk is proven to be a GOOD religion.
>If you niggas had read further you’d realize that the fucking POPE makes an appearance and he’s a super chill old guy that guides Midland’s survivors to safety in Falconia (at this point in the story no one knows that the city is filled with demons but there is literally no other safe place left in Midland).
>Mozgus was projecting, he was the heretic, not to mention an actual fucking demon.
>The only portrayal of pagan religion is the goat headed demons’s Orgy cult where he makes you suck his snake dick to join.
>The point Miura was trying to make is that you should follow the TRUE religion and not be tempted by false ones.

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Is it possible to achieve a physique like this natty?
I already lost my right arm below the elbow in a fishing accident.

>> No.20138546

>>20138508
If you have highly dense bones to start with maybe

>> No.20138569

>>20138546
Your mother knows all about my dense bone structure

>> No.20138796

>>20138211
No, Miura is saying Kabalist Judaism is the correct religion, Circe was BTFOing Christian beliefs and the pastor in the Troll arc. Come back after watching (and understanding) Evangelion, brainlet.

>> No.20138808

>>20124559
The Illiad (Golden Age of Berserk)
Odyssey (Black Swordsman, even has a Circe)

>> No.20138840

>>20138796
based

>> No.20138867

>>20138005
>Bakker is near (at?) the peak of genre fiction.
No, he fucking isn't. Bakker is shit and you know it.

>> No.20138890

>>20138508
For 99.99% of people, no. Unless you're an absolute genetic freak who follows a perfect training regiment, you're gonna have to use PEDs, and even then it's not 100% guaranteed you'll look like that if you don't really work for it.

>> No.20138898

>>20138796
Correct interpretation

>> No.20139330

My diary desu.

>> No.20139351

>>20139330
Shut up.

>> No.20139406

>>20124591
>It really is a bit overrated and it’s only as highly praised because expectations for manga are laughably low.
This goes for basically all anime and manga, doesn't it? And most videogames praised for their story

>> No.20139456

>>20139406
>most
All

>> No.20139461

>>20139456
I have a hard time commiting to being an elitist, but yes
Someone once posted some dialogue from Deus Ex that I kinda liked

>> No.20139604

Why you niggas don't wanna read Bastard?

>> No.20139630

>>20139456
>>20139461
It doesn't matter with videogames as the main point of them isn't to tell a story, its fun gameplay. If they have a good story then its just a bonus.

>> No.20139661

>>20139630
I understand that. I specified games praised for their plot, storytelling, etc

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Anime and manga completely lost any and all appeal as soon as I entered college. I don't know how any grown man can stomach it. Berserk and all that other nonsense just come off very juvenile when I can get good stories with good dialogue and good characters in books and films. I honestly tried very hard to get back into it with old favorites like Ashita no Joe and LotGH but there's that voice in the back of my head telling me I'm wasting precious time of my life on shit I no longer care about and shouldn't force myself to care about. I usually just get my animation fix from rewatching Yuri Norstein and Wallace and Gromit shorts.

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Elric of Melnibone

>> No.20139745

>>20139703
This was me in highschool, even. I spent a lot of time online finding people that were somewhat similar to me always recommending some anime or manga. I gave them a try again and again and I always wound up dissapointed.
I eventually realized those people had very different upbringings than mine. I never watched many cartoons, spent a shit ton of time reading, etc. I won't call their taste trash because I dislike that, but I resent their prevalence online. I should have come here or on /tv/ even more often, lol

>> No.20139899

>>20139703
>but there's that voice in the back of my head telling me I'm wasting precious time of my life on shit I no longer care about and shouldn't force myself to care about
The irony of saying something like this while spending time on this board. Even staring at a single panel or frame from the worst anime/manga for the whole day would still be a million times better use of time. I highly doubt you've really even tried anything past the surface level.

>> No.20140036

>>20133338
Interesting, because I started reading Bakker and he has a knack for writing duels - the first encounter in the first book actually reminded me of something from Berserk / Souls games, and I like when genre fiction has a well-developed mise-en-scene. However, the extreme plotting you referred to proved to be unbearable for me, the entire Holy War section is just unreadable. I have no idea why someone with no talent for creating cast of characters or dialogue would focus on that part so much; I dropped the book less than half the way in. I might continue some day, but there are so many better things to read, and I have no idea - nor do I care - about any of this Maithanet business.

>>20124559
Black Company books
Gene Wolfe
Malazan (actually good worldbuilding unlike Bakker)

>> No.20140229

>>20140036
>started reading Bakker
Fucking why? He's horrid.

>> No.20140249

>>20140229
It's only three books, I wanted to know what all the spam was about. And honestly in some elements he's not that bad, it's almost endearing how he tries to throw out some metalhead sophistry (hinted at in the fucking title itself). He seems immune to epistemology, or even Socratic dialogue. But you really can't try to do a Herbert if you can't write intrigue.

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>>20138867
lol, Bakker is king

The filtered don't dispute this cosmic fact

>> No.20140361

>>20140249
>He seems immune to epistemology, or even Socratic dialogue.
What is this supposed to mean. It sounds like you are just throwing philosophy terms in that you don't understand.

How can one be immune to epistemology? How is someone immune to "Socratic dialogue?"

>> No.20140404

>>20140361
>What is this supposed to mean
Are you that much of a retard that you can't decipher what that means?

>> No.20140542

>>20125070
>not lazy
Yes, miscalculated is a better term.

>> No.20140801

>>20124591
Berserk is about the journey and Gutz resistance through trauma and pain. plot fags are the worse.

>> No.20140808

>>20125321
>vagabond
Just to awful to get through and I read claymore.

>> No.20140875

>>20126808
>A considerable part of post-GA is Guts realizing that edginess only drives him further away from humanity. I found it to be rather optimistic.
Guts isn't the only edgy part of the manga, though

>> No.20140880

>>20134526
Imagine being this new lmao

>> No.20140902

>>20124591

Yep this post is based. Manga fiends will literally act like your stupid if it isnt your favorite manga. If the art was not as good as it is it would get waaaaaay less praise.

One piece was always better

>> No.20140918

>>20132906
Honestly sounds about right

>> No.20141576
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>>20136269
yknow sometimes people just like things, i dont really see much of my beliefs in berserk, i dont care its a fun read with great art. do you really only enjoy media if it aligns with your ideological views?
>uhhh i would read that book dude but idk how to apply to marxist propaganda
what a sad retard you are, i bet you refuse to read lovecraft because LE RACIST MUCH?

>> No.20141621
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One name, one book

Jorge Luis Borges, Labyrinths

This is the book you, and everyone in this thread are looking for.

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>>20136269
>You want me to read that long shit, by you?
>TL/DR: Religion is...LE BAD!
Midwit detected.

>> No.20141948

>>20136269
>the left wants to free people (from virtues)
Not so fast baizhuo, the biggest left-wing movement alive today is confucian marxism

>> No.20142019

>>20141948
You actually read that toxic waste dump past the first sentence ?

>> No.20142032

>>20124874
best post in this thread

>> No.20142044

>>20126705
That's unironically the worst piece of prose I've read in a very long time

>> No.20142058

>>20126865
>It should be taken just as seriously as any superstitious belief.
So just as seriously as morality, justice, free will, human rights, etc., in other words very seriously, possibly more seriously than things which we actually have evidence for.

>> No.20142090

>>20140352
That looks indescribably faggy.

>> No.20142274

>>20141621
Lmao nigga wtf are you talking about

>> No.20144124

>>20142090
I mean, Bakker is a repressed homosexual.

>> No.20144181

>>20141621
Go back to Borges shitposting, you retard faggot piece of shit, you didn't understand Borges, retard

>> No.20144670

>>20124874
Repent and turn to Allah. But and read the Qu'ran now it will change your life forever.