/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20101930]

>Had Prozac been available last century, Baudelaire's "spleen," Edgar Allan Poe's moods, the poetry of Sylvia Plath, the lamentations of so many other poets, everything with a soul would have been silenced*....
>If large pharmaceutical companies were able to eliminate the seasons, they would probably do so--for profit, of course.
>This does not mean that Sylvia Plath should not have been medicated at all. The point is that pathologies should be medicated when there is risk of suicide, not mood swings.

Is he correct?

[Anonymous No.20102029]

[Anonymous No.20102217]

>depression is just chemicals in the brain
>you need pills which we are happy to supply at considerable profit
>it's an individual problem, serotonin or shit
>nothing to do with the culture in which one finds oneself, and how this can negatively affect the existential question facing man's grappling with being and of a social primate's relations with the other, just take the pills bro
He's right you know

[Anonymous No.20102234]

>>20102217
You should look up neurotransmitters anon. You might learn something new

[Anonymous No.20102245]

>medication silences... LE SOUL!

[Anonymous No.20102258]

>>20102217
“Local moron thinks that schizophrenics are actually demon possession”

[Anonymous No.20102262]

>Sylvia Plath... silenced
Might've been worth it. Sorry Poe.

[Anonymous No.20102269]

>>20102245
Yes, they're inherently designed to make you a good wagie

[Anonymous No.20102285]

>>20101930
>hehe it's nice that Poe and Plath suffered their whole lives because I got some nice poems out of it :D
>we should deny emotionally unstable people help because they just might produce a funny work of art lmao I mean 99.9999% never will but hey, not my problem

[Anonymous No.20102348]

>>20102285
>Being happy is better than being conscious

[Anonymous No.20102352]

>>20101930
>singles out the female as the one that should be medicated
Cringe

[Anonymous No.20102371]

>>20101930
I mean sure, but their lives would've probably been happier and less miserable. Personally I don't think it's worth it to have a miserable life full of suffering for the sake of art.

[Anonymous No.20102385]

>>20102348
When I'm not on my medication, I can't eat or sleep. Every day, all day, I'm seized by a crushing anxiety which has no cause nor resolution. Before I started them, I would routinely go days without sleeping or eating, because my brain felt constantly innervated, or as if it were sitting bare and naked upon a surgical tray. Even the thought of food was repulsive to me, and the feeling of it sliding down my throat could only be tolerated for a moment or two. My life before starting my medication was, in retrospect, characterized by a constant and restless misery. I don't use that word lightly. I was absolutely fucking miserable, with thoughts of suicide every single day.

I'm a creative person, but my entire life was ruled by my mental illness. If you've never lived with daily misery before, you don't understand what I'm talking about. If you even try, you'll just transpose your mind as it is right now, as you sit in a comfortable chair with a bellyful of food, and pretend that you'd just read Plato and work out. This would be because you don't understand mental illness and hopefully never will. This is because severe mental illness is THE MECHANISM BY WHICH YOU ARE PREVENTED from self-recovery to the point you need external assistance.

I'm sure many of you have this mental image of limp-wristed, effete metrosexuals and women with colored hair when you slurp up Reddit Man's textual/verbal diarrhea, but severe mental illness effects you regardless of how strong and masculine you are. For the record, I'm an old infantry veteran who did a pump in the gnarliest area of Afghanistan in its deadliest year. I know for a fact that I'm not weak. The fact that I'm still alive is testament to my fundamental mental toughness as well as the efficacy of medication. After years and years of hard work on myself, I know exactly who and what I am. I know what I can and can't deal with, and I know that the list of things I can tough out is much, much larger than the things I can't.

I would have killed myself years ago or just died from malnutrition without medication.

[Anonymous No.20102401]

>>20102245
>>20102285
>>20102371
pussies

[Anonymous No.20102403]

>>20102401
>pussies

[Anonymous No.20102420]

>>20102401
I was chronically depressed and stressed for about 8 years and trust me, it's not worth it. Watching your hair fall out, feeling your body become weak and losing your cognitive ability, feeling like you're wading through sludge everyday. Watching your relationships fade away, losing jobs, falling into addiction. It's not worth it.

[Anonymous No.20102459]

>>20102403
self-portrait?
>>20102420
ahhahahah what a weak constitution you must have

[Anonymous No.20102461]

>>20102459
Ok retard.

[Anonymous No.20102467]

>>20101930
Kek what a retard.

[Anonymous No.20102526]

>>20101930
No, they shouldn't be medicated at all

[Anonymous No.20102545]

>>20102385
This would be a rousing argument if you could prove why exactly you should be alive.

[Anonymous No.20102556]

>>20102545
Maybe I'm going to end up writing the Great American Novel. I probably won't, of course, but still. Every person who kills himself over treatable, or at least mitigable, mental illness is someone who could have created something incredible. They are also, of course, people who could have gone on to become mass murderers, rapists, pedophiles. I personally believe that life is the rarest, most infinitesimal resource in the universe. It demands its own continued existence, and by virtue of this circular self-demand, establishes itself as the most precious, valuable resource in the universe.

I won't attempt mounting a rigorous defense of my own existence. I've done things I'm not proud of. But even if my own continued existence matters only to myself, it is in that sense a victory that I didn't kill myself.

[Anonymous No.20102564]

>>20102234
The chemicals in your brain are affected by your environment, you simple moron. Depression is an entirely reasonable reaction to life in the modern world. There is always a root cause for depression and medication treats the symptoms without treating the cause, which is why drug companies love them so much; they're essentially a lifetime prescription. As an added bonus, the longer you take them the more dependent you become on them, both as a pure chemical addiction and mentally, as your healthy habits and coping mechanisms begin to atrophy from disuse.

[Anonymous No.20102571]

>>20102285
>it's nice that Poe and Plath suffered their whole lives because I got some nice poems out of it
Yes. I've struggled with depression my entire life and I would rather be miserable while producing great art than be happy and sedated while producing nothing. Suffering is temporary.

[Anonymous No.20102577]

>>20102385
>I know for a fact that I'm not weak.
You wouldn't be on the internet whining about how hard it is to "suffer" from anxiety, the favored crippling mental illness of teenage girls, if you were such a tough guy. In typical american fashion, you didn't make any real effort to address the root causes of your anxiety, you just accepted it as some immutable part of yourself and agreed to a lifetime of daily medication because it's easier than doing the work of addressing your problems.

>my career was killing third world peasants to protect the interests of multinational corporations, now i'm anxious all the time and i don't understand why oops well i guess i'd better just let a different multinational corporation medicate me for life
Stunning insight.

[Anonymous No.20102585]

>>20101930
ITT: angry mutts eagerly defending their precious braindead-ification pillies

>>20102385
That's a special disorder; I agree that in these cases you should take special medication, but let's be honest. US psychologists/psychiatrists really give out pills like candies, and they have several, long-term, really negative side effects, not to mention that they don't really fix the root cause if you're taking them for the blues

[Anonymous No.20102601]

>>20102577
>You wouldn't be on the internet whining about how hard it is to "suffer" from anxiety, the favored crippling mental illness of teenage girls, if you were such a tough guy.
Believe it or not, it takes a lot more mental toughness to be open and honest about the things you've struggled with than it does to hide them away. It's not an easy thing to say really personal things to people who will actively try to shame you for it. Instead of reacting emotionally, I'll go through a couple of your points and ideas to give a quick counterpoint.
>you didn't make any real effort to address the root causes of your anxiety
In my case, the root causes for my anxiety were (most likely; it's ultimately impossible to find objective truth in the bottomless referential pit of the self) the combination of sone genetic predisposition to the affliction and behaviors my brain learned while deployed. Simply, my brain learned anxiety was a very helpful thing when dealing with the constant, daily threat of guns and bombs and struggled to unlearn those processes once the guns and bombs were no longer present. What, exactly, do you think can be done to address a cause rooted entirely in the past. Should I build a time machine?
>you just accepted it as some immutable part of yourself
I work out. I read lots of highbrow fiction and philosophy. I eat healthily. I write for three to four hours, five days a week. I work a steady job. I don't drink or do drugs. I spend a lot of time with the woman who loves me. I also take medications and have weekly appointments with a therapist. I think that I'm doing as much as I possibly can to reject my mental illness.
>easier than doing the work of addressing your problems.
Any suggestions? I'm always open to ways I can work harder to improve my life!

[Anonymous No.20102623]

>>20102564
>my medical opinions are based purely on my prejudices and not any real studies
I've seen too mane of you faggots to be surprised. Anyway, look into genetics. You might find something new.

[Anonymous No.20102658]

>>20102623
No, I've learned enough already. Genetics is a solved field. I've moved on.

[Anonymous No.20102664]

>>20102571
Read my post again dumbfuck, depression is not a cheatcode to great artistry, for most people it's just meaningless suffering. Also nobody is forcing your dumb ass to get medicated, it's your choice.

[Anonymous No.20104157]

>>20102664
>depression is not a cheatcode to great artistry
No one said it was, but taking antidepressant drugs is a guaranteed way to kill off any potential for great artistry you might have.

>>20102623
My medical opinions are based on my decade of experience as a clinical psychiatrist. The only time I ever prescribe antidepressants are as an expressly temporary crutch to give a deeply depressed person the necessary space to develop healthy coping mechanisms and life habits. I have never seen a patient who was depressed and, after talking to them, found that they had no good reason to feel that way. Depression always has a cause and that cause can always be found and treated. This may and often does involve years of work but putting a depressed person on drugs and saying, "Oh, you feel better now? That's great, I guess everything is fixed, just don't even stop taking those pills!" is a great way to ensure that this person never looks for or fixes the root causes of their depression.

And no, taking pills and going to a therapist for an hour every week or two doesn't really cut it. Most therapists aren't worth shit. That said, the sad truth is that finding and fixing the root causes of mental illness is something that is 95% the responsibility of the individual suffering from them. Mental health professionals can give advice and point them in the right direction but all the hard work has to be done by the patient and the vast majority of people lack the intelligence, insight, and willpower to actually do it. But after spending too many years seeing the same patients stagnate year after year while dutifully taking their pills, I've refused to keep doing it. If I'm seeing real progress I'll keep going but if it becomes clear that someone isn't willing or able to make the effort to get better then I refer them to someone else.

As far as
>which is why drug companies love them so much; they're essentially a lifetime prescription
goes, you would believe me if you saw even a week's worth of the mail my practice receives. The amount of money and effort drug companies spend advertising to doctors would blow your mind.

[Anonymous No.20104167]

I don’t know. I took laxapro and valium for a few years and it’s not like I was soulless at that time but my feelings were mineral and my thoughts were vegetative at best. I stopped but I sometimes still feel like they broke my brain.

[Anonymous No.20104172]

>>20101930
Very soon, you'll own nothing, eat bugs, and be happy. No Prozac needed.

[Anonymous No.20104437]

>>20104157
Any advice for finding a good therapist?

[Anonymous No.20104460]

>>20102420
What is worth it?

[Anonymous No.20104497]

>>20102371
Medication can’t make you happy. Actually, nothing can.

[Anonymous No.20104506]

>>20101930
Can someone just make this faggot disappear from Earth? Every time is some retarded or obvious or cringe thing. EVERY. TIME. Please just die.

[Anonymous No.20105851]

>>20101930
>mental illness is useful to me

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.20105870]

oh i get it now, i understand the rote of "take your meds," a bunch of overly medicated fucking junkies, pillheads, barely even conscious retards who literally can't even function in real life without their daily cocktail of pharmaceuticals. thank god im not you
>>20105851
did you pills turn you into a soulless golem automaton concerned with utility above all else, or were you just born a faggot? fucking addict scum

[Anonymous No.20105872]

>>20102029
what vn is this from?

[Anonymous No.20105887]

>>20102234
SSRIs are literally worse than placebos because placebos don't make your dick stop working.

[Anonymous No.20105894]

>>20101930
Art is often a way of coping with existential problems, and it's such an effective cope that we somehow start thinking that the problems that give rise to it aren't problems at all. But if we could eliminate those problems, we should, and we will not miss art if we do because art will have lost the reason for its existence.

Bring in the pharma drugs.

[Anonymous No.20105898]

>>20102234
Psychiatry exists as a political tool to subdue a population, and in distribute the acceptance of degeneracy as science. In Russia psychiatry was used to send anyone and everyone the party didn't like to Siberia. No one should be allowed to denote another person "crazy" or "insane", and then take legal power over their person.

[Anonymous No.20105905]

>>20101930
Didn't know this man was this based.

[Anonymous No.20105908]

>>20101930
Who is he?

[Anonymous No.20105916]

Imagine taking wagie productivity pills

[Anonymous No.20105917]

So what's the point of talking to a therapist when they're just going to drug you until you shut up?

[Anonymous No.20105937]

>>20105917
It's literally a scam to do just that.

[Anonymous No.20105939]

>>20105917
>therapists
>drugs

Therapists can't prescribe drugs. Psychiatrists do that.

[Anonymous No.20105940]

>>20101930
If you lack the spiritual discernment to see through the chemical lobotomists' lies, you weren't ever going to make it anyway. Less lozenges, more laudanum and absinthe

[Anonymous No.20105949]

I wonder how many people out there are drugging themselves up with anti depression pills when they're just lacking in vitamin D

[Anonymous No.20105953]

>>20102564
>The chemicals in your brain are affected by your environment, you simple moron.

Based. Most people's understanding of how the brain actually works doesn't go beyond "funny machine in your head isnt releasing enough happy chemical time to add more!" It's affected by a lot of different things, including cognition.

[Anonymous No.20105970]

>>20105939
Psychologists can push you to take SSRIs, though. I went to a psych for a few weeks and he didn't do shit except push me to ask my doctor for a Zoloft prescription. I think strategies from ACT, CBT, etc. have a lot of value but most psychologists stop reading the field's literature after grad school and just rely on what they read in pop sci and self-help books.

[Anonymous No.20105973]

>>20105917
If I didn't see the trailer for this movie, pic related, when I was 10 years old, I would be on a slew of psychiatric meds by now. I'll explain. I saw the trailer for it in passing one day, the character stops taking his depression meds and his life becomes enjoyable again. I don't know why but I just latched onto that, and refused medication from every psychiatrist I was forced to see by my neurotic mother (she introduces her dogs as her children on her answering machine before my brother and I). That innocuous decision as a child probably saved my life and person.

The point is, I still haven't watched that movie.

[Anonymous No.20105977]

>>20105870
Have you been to any mental in-patient facility?

[Anonymous No.20105995]

>>20102352
No, based

[Anonymous No.20105996]

>>20105970
>Psychologists can push you to take SSRIs, though.
It's literally the first thing they say to their first visit, no matter the reason they are there. It's almost like the "base" medication for their sick practice, and then they stack additional medications onto that. The entire approach to mental health of psychiatry is perverse.

[Anonymous No.20105998]

>>20105916
No need to imagine, methylphenidate is the best thing that ever happened to me.

[Anonymous No.20106000]

I have both bipolar disorder and autism. Even with medication I still write some interesting stuff

[Anonymous No.20106003]

>>20105894
>But if we could eliminate those problems, we should, and we will not miss art if we do because art will have lost the reason for its existence.
t.
soulless robot

[Anonymous No.20106009]

Sorry sweaty, but whether you like it or not you are living in the BEST time in human history. If you have any problem with your society, you are mentally ill or a reactionary fascist chud monkey (so, mentally ill). Literally what is wrong with popping some pills that fucking scientists and medical experts make. No artist needs to starve. No body needs to be in pain. If a "great work" required a suffering soul, maybe it wasn't so great, mkay?

[Anonymous No.20106015]

>>20106003
>we should make people experience pain so that people in pain have something to relate to
This is basically the broken windows economics strategy but for art

[Anonymous No.20106016]

>>20105998
I mean, trading your soul and potential for temporary productivity is one kind of bargain, I suppose.

[Anonymous No.20106019]

>>20106000
You have bad parents, dawg. Those things don't exist, dawg.

[Anonymous No.20106022]

There would be nothing wrong with taking soma if it existed.

[Anonymous No.20106031]

>>20106015
Well, don't you think pain and suffering could be useful in provoking people to action to fix personal or social problems? I don't really get this line of thought, it's like telling a vegetarian stressed out about factory farms to stop caring about that and get on some meds

[Anonymous No.20106033]

>>20106022
Didn't it exist in India at one point with the Vedic Indo-Aryans or something? Maybe, we'll find a preserved amount someday and replicate it.

[Anonymous No.20106035]

>>20105996
They view it as aspirin for the brain. Not many psychologists seem to actually understand the discipline's conceptual foundations. Most of them unironically believe the explanatory fiction given to NPCs that being depressed is fundamentally the same as having back pain.

[Anonymous No.20106039]

>>20106016
Not a lot of potential to be had from someone who can't accomplish basic tasks. I think there's a strong possibility I'd just kill myself if I had to go back to the way I used to be, the idea of returning to being a useless wreck is terrifying to me

[Anonymous No.20106045]

>>20106015
We shouldn't impose unnecessary suffering on others, but any difficult activity requires discipline and so suffering. Seeking a world free from suffering is pointless and if it could ever be achieved would mean the loss of our humanity. If there was not suffering there would be no such thing as happiness with no point of reference to compare pleasure to.

[Anonymous No.20106050]

>>20106045
>If there was not suffering there would be no such thing as happiness with no point of reference to compare pleasure to.
I don't think you've suffered.

[Anonymous No.20106057]

>>20106031
Just a guess here, but I'd bet the use of medication is distinctly higher among the committed activist class than the disinterested masses. I don't think it deters the desire to improve the world

[Anonymous No.20106058]

>>20102564
Your assumption here is that you can change your environment- you can to a degree, but there are structures of society that affect you that you would be incapable of changing. I’m not saying this to claim meds are a solution, but it’s pretty easy to imagine them being a benefit to some in this context.

[Anonymous No.20106064]

>>20102601
My only suggestion is to do your duty and crank out yet another anti war novel. You understand now the machine which fucked you over and continues to prey on innocent young men.

[Anonymous No.20106066]

>>20106039
Did you exercise, lift, develop your diet before you went on meds? No? Then you're a fool.

[Anonymous No.20106069]

>>20106050
Semantic disagreement. By suffering here, I don't mean misery, but just the experience of pain, struggle, strife etc. Extreme suffering is bad of course I agree.

[Anonymous No.20106073]

>>20106045
Do you know any psychiatrist whose goal is to eliminate human emotion? There's a difference between reigning in uncontrollable emotional outbursts and surgically removing the pituitary gland

[Anonymous No.20106074]

>>20106073
Dr. Moreau

[Anonymous No.20106075]

>>20101930
Would you listen to this man?

[Anonymous No.20106076]

Most of you anti-med faggots probably have had shit experiences with meds, but I can't blame you at that point because there are a lot of lazy mental health "professionals" that just dump meds on people and call it a day.

Depression and other shit MANIFESTS itself as a chemical imbalance in your brain, but it doesn't mean that it is CAUSED by that imbalance, not necessarily. It's not as if your brain just randomly decides: you know what, FUCK YOU, I'm gonna make you depressed as fuck, you fucking faggot bitch, take those chemicals. It's more like you develop a certain pattern of thinking and as a natural consequence of that pattern of thinking, your brain starts dosing you with sad chemicals. It becomes a vicious cycle then because the more sad chemicals, the harder it is to fix your thought patterns so your brain doesn't fuck you over so much.

And that's what meds are supposed to do: they alleviate the symptoms so it becomes easier for you to fix those bad thought patterns. And that is what therapy (with a GOOD professional, or at least with sufficient introspection on your part) is for. Meds aren't supposed to fix your problems because at their root your problems aren't CAUSED by the chemical imbalance; your problems CAUSE the imbalance. The solution to depression and everything is fixing your thought patterns, which you need to WILL yourself to do ultimately, meds are supposed to only remove some of the weight holding you down.

[Anonymous No.20106077]

>>20106073
>Do you know any psychiatrist whose goal is to eliminate human emotion?
That is their job, are you confused? Your reactions are genuine, not malfunctions. Address your situation, not your internal sense of right and wrong.

[Anonymous No.20106081]

>>20106009
>that graph

thank you anon. its true that according to the empirical data and peer-reviewed science things are getting better across every category. we need to return to our Enlightenment values but sadly many people on this website have the cognitive bias called the “negativity bias” and mental illness so they can’t see that

[Anonymous No.20106082]

>>20106066
Yes, I did. I spent ten years fighting it, several of them in peak physical condition. Did nothing to help. The only things that have ever gotten me to accomplish the tasks I want are constant oversight by another human and drugs. The drugs work better.

[Anonymous No.20106087]

>>20106073
>Do you know any psychiatrist whose goal is to eliminate human emotion?
Did I say this? No in fact I said absolutely nothing about psychiatry. I was responding to a person who was arguing that if we have the ability to get rid of basic existential problems through medication that we should even at the cost of art. My post was only in reply to that person

[Anonymous No.20106092]

>>20102601
I’m not a retard who thinks that mental illness has to do with not being masculine enough, in fact a belief like that can easily harm you if you are struggling with something deeper. But have you looked into trauma therapies? Specifically body trauma, such as somatic experiencing? To me it makes sense that if bodies can produce extreme states of anxiety that create ptsd, they must have a way of relieving these states too. Even if the stimulus is extreme and unnatural. This is complicated of course, and perhaps you have already looked into this… I’m just curious if it’s possible to undo some of the bodies defenses (I’m not saying being on meds is bad btw, that’s a dumb stance if the benefits outweigh the sides)

[Anonymous No.20106094]

>>20106009
>material measurement of reality
Yes, we are better at making shit appear on demand. We all strive to be shitty magicians minimally engaging with reality to manifest whatever we want for 50% of our lives and spend the other 50% living as barely sentient machinery in the system that conjures these goods out of thin air or sleeping. This is a wonderful and meaningful existence as an idiot magician and a literal cog. Could not ask for a better time to be alive.

[Anonymous No.20106099]

>>20106057
The central point is a contradiction I'm seeing between the
>But if we could eliminate those problems, we should
and
>Bring in the pharma drugs
It seems like if there were no problems there would ostensibly be no need for drugs. So what is with the fixation on getting drugs to as many people as possible? Seems like a way to get people to cope with intolerable conditions. Are we supposed to be in the business of fixing problems or medicating people?

[Anonymous No.20106101]

>>20106081
Your time is coming to an end bug man. The real world is not a shitty VR paradise knock off. Go fuck off to VR world with your bug friends and leave the living to men.

[Anonymous No.20106102]

>>20106082
Did you go to Church, find a wife, start a family when you were fit enough and financially stable enough to do so? That was Step 2. I think you fucked up and didn't do Step 2, bro.

[Anonymous No.20106104]

>>20106082
idk why you would even respond to that guy. diet and exercise have nothing to do with mental illness, more likely they are useful when you feel like your life has no meaning since they make you feel accomplished.

[Anonymous No.20106119]

>>20106104
>your body and mind share no meaningful connection!
Haha, nah. That sounds pretty bunk, bro. The cognitive dissonance can be astounding among people who will rationalize taking permanent mind altering drugs than walk on a treadmill for a couple hours a day and do a fucking push up. I guess taking a pill is easier, but at what cost?

[Anonymous No.20106120]

>>20106102
I regularly attended, and continue to attend, church. I haven't gotten married. I assume being an utterly unreliable human being was an unappealing characteristic. I suppose I could have found someone who was looking for a husband they could fix and control, but that's not particularly attractive to me.

[Anonymous No.20106121]

>>20106119
>I guess taking a pill is easier, but at what cost?
$40/month

[Anonymous No.20106125]

>>20106120
So you were /fit/, you were /lit/, you were good with God; and you still didn't find a woman? Nah, you're rationalizing after the fact.

[Anonymous No.20106127]

>>20106082
This. I procrastinated and didn’t do shit all through college and then my world totally changed when I got my doctor to prescribe me speed. I wish I started taking it earlier because my life would probably be a lot better right now.

[Anonymous No.20106128]

>>20106121
Damn, this nigga actually pays $40 bucks a month to chemically castrate his own soul!

[Anonymous No.20106133]

>>20106127
Exercise and diet? How did those look in college before you started drugging?

[Anonymous No.20106134]

>>20106125
>ok, no he can't hold down a job, form positive habits, or even file taxes without help, but look at those abs omg
Is this really the kind of woman you want raising your children?

[Anonymous No.20106136]

>>20102564
Im pretty sure it's just the ignorant that don't realize that anti-depressants suppress symptoms in order for a patient to function and make the appropriate changes to their lives. They were never intended as a "cure-all". Of course if you sit on your ass and continue to mope about your shit life nothing will happen. That's not on the psychiatrist. That's on the patient. Although, I do agree they are over-prescribed. But less out of the big pharma boogey-man and more out of modern-man wanting pity for their "condition" and tangible signs to show for it.

[Anonymous No.20106140]

>>20102285
>we should deny emotionally unstable people help because they just might produce a funny work of art lmao I mean 99.9999% never will but hey, not my problem

[Anonymous No.20106143]

>>20106134
Paternal instincts kick in when you mate. It's biology.

[Anonymous No.20106145]

>>20106127
It hurts a little bit everytime I think about how much it upset my mom when I dropped out of college, and how easy it would have been to just talk to a doctor about Ritalin

[Anonymous No.20106149]

>>20106143
>unreliable men always turn in to great fathers as soon as their kid is born, it's just science

[Anonymous No.20106155]

>>20106133
Great bro I had a mile time that was close to 6 minutes you scrub

[Anonymous No.20106156]

>>20106134
The exercise is for YOUR benefit, not the interchangeable woman you end up marrying. The mind cannot be healthy if the body is unhealthy. Period Diet and exercise will cure essentially 95% of modern neurosis.

[Anonymous No.20106162]

>>20106149
Not that anon but props for recognizing what makes a good dad. Most men don't.

[Anonymous No.20106165]

>>20106156
Yeah, I get that's what you believe, but either I was part of the 5% or you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.20106166]

>>20106155
So you regularly exercised in college, ate well regularly, got adequate sleep, and still were unproductive, huh? Maybe it's time to be honest with yourself. You didn't do shit in college but saunter after cheap skanks and cheaper booze, your high school athletics don't impress me, pleb.

[Anonymous No.20106171]

>>20106165
>I was part of the 5% or you're wrong.
Yes, that is what everyone in the 95% believes as well.

[Anonymous No.20106174]

>>20106156
This is low-IQ bro science. If you’re fat as fuck sitting around all day staring at a screen and subsisting off pizza and beer, then yeah you’re probably more likely to have mental issues. That doesn’t mean exercise is the solution to every problem in the world.

[Anonymous No.20106175]

>>20106166
Anon, do you ever consider that most people do none of those things in college and still have no issue getting through it? Almost like there's some fundamental difference in the motivation and decision making centers of the brain

[Anonymous No.20106179]

>>20106174
>"That doesn’t mean exercise is the solution to every problem in the world." blubbered the man who had not exercised consistently in his entire life.

[Anonymous No.20106181]

Psychotherapy without meds is the solution here

[Anonymous No.20106182]

>>20106166
>You didn't do shit in college but saunter after cheap skanks and cheaper booze

[Anonymous No.20106183]

>>20106171
>There's no evidence to support my belief, and everyone who experiences the problem actively says I'm wrong, but that only strengthens my certainty.

[Anonymous No.20106187]

Meds without psychotherapy is the solution here

[Anonymous No.20106193]

>>20106166
Not the runner anon, I swam every day instead, but I'm a virgin who didn't drink until 21, and it didn't help

[Anonymous No.20106196]

>>20106187
i take addy without psychotherapy can confirm its working pretty well

[Anonymous No.20106200]

>>20106175
..and most people are statically morons without the ability for introspection, what's your point? For those of us with a mind TO burden, idleness and laziness brings on depression. Always has, always will.

[Anonymous No.20106214]

>>20106200
Here is my point, among my college friend group I was
>average intelligence
>by far the fittest
>the only church goer
>and the only one to drop out of college
Your solutions simply aren't a cure all

[Anonymous No.20106233]

Any of you homos on Zyprexa?
>>20106196
Good for you anon.

[Anonymous No.20106249]

>>20106179
I value exercise too bro. It doesn’t happen often, but if my workout routine gets disrupted, it interferes with normal eating and sleep and turns into this cycle where I feel miserable so I start drinking all the time, which fucks things up even more. I wouldn’t go to a psychologist in these circumstances though because I know they’re completely in my control at the end of the day, and I imagine this is the default experience of many people who are fat and/or unhappy and seek out drugs and psychotherapy. Exercise fixed a lot of my problems but I take the drugs for the ones it couldn’t.

[Anonymous No.20106252]

I'm disgusted at these pill pushers. The answer to being "chronically depressed/anxious" isn't drugs because you're just like that. Why would we be born to be fucked up in the head that can only be treated by pharmaceutical companies if it's so common? Our ancestors didn't live that way. The answer is it's not just you. It's other things in your life. Adress them and your attitude and behaviors before taking mind altering drugs. Are people really this weak? How about instead of believing the obvious bullshit that "some brains don't work properly just because" you think for yourself. I'm a type one diabetic but there are still things I can do to live my life without having to constantly be in range if insulin. You can fuck off and live in the woods if you want to. This is also the same for the rise in "neurodiversity" and the ADHD/ASD diagnoses being slapped on people. You aren't defective. It's ""them""

[Anonymous No.20106293]

>>20106252
>I'm a type one diabetic but there are still things I can do to live my life without having to constantly be in range if insulin.
anon for the love of god please keep insulin with you

[Anonymous No.20106310]

>>20106252
It doesn’t take a genius to see that certain characteristics that would have been selectively advantageous in the ancient world are maladaptive in industrial society. I might have done pretty well in Ireland in 800 AD, but I would like to function in today’s world.

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>>20106127
literally lmaoing my ass off @ faggot addicts rn no cap

[Anonymous No.20106335]

>>20106019
I don't even live with parents anymore. That was twelve years ago, bruh

[Anonymous No.20106338]

Taleb has no skin in the game.

[Anonymous No.20106367]

>>20105887
Drug companies only need to submit X number of successful trials (significant therapeutic effect over placebo) to the FDA to get approval for these medications, i.e. not X% successful trials. This means they can just run their trials as many times as they want until they get enough successful ones, submit only the successful trials to the FDA, and then easily get approval for their medications. If you include unsuccessful trials that were not submitted to the FDA, most or all antidepressants do not have significant effect above placebo. Plus they cause sexual dysfunction in nearly everyone that uses them.

[Anonymous No.20106390]

>>20106338
Unironically this, unless you’ve dealt with unmedicated aggresive schizos irl, your opinion doesn’t matter.

[Anonymous No.20106395]

>>20106367
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4172306/

[Anonymous No.20106412]

>>20106395
>Antidepressants are supposed to work by fixing a chemical imbalance, specifically, a lack of serotonin in the brain.
the 1970s called, they want their serotonin hypothesis back

[Anonymous No.20106550]

>americans will defend this

[Anonymous No.20106558]

>>20106119
You’re retarded. If your issues were the result of not getting exercise, you were just stupid not mental. Be thankful your parents only passed on their brains

[Anonymous No.20106573]

>>20106252
adhd and asd are real dude, people are suffering from a lot of different illnesses. i dont believe meds are an effective solution, but mental health is declining as a matter of fact. it’s not just that some people are fucked, everyone is fucked to some degree. hence why people have so many personal issues that take years to figure out. and now we have these morons telling you the reason that you can’t get your life under control is because you aren’t exerting your body enough

[Anonymous No.20106733]

>>20106550
Based grandma

[Anonymous No.20106741]

>>20106550
Man you sure like us living rent free up there

[Anonymous No.20106769]

>>20106550
>>20106733
the grandma is the one person not taking any pills (not defending the pills necessarily) but her refusal to address her own problems before having children and passing generational trauma onto her offspring are probably why they're all on anti-depressants in the first place.

[Anonymous No.20106774]

>>20106573
>there are people who vary from the good goy template
>ergo it's pathologic and NEEDS medical intervention
Why don't you support lobotomies? They have a near 100% cure rate on all psychological disorders

[Anonymous No.20107301]

>>20105872
Subahibi

[Anonymous No.20107328]

>>20102285
Do you think that such people would have survived and reproduced under conditions of harsh Darwinian selection?
If it has a genetic basis, it would have been bred out of the population prior to modernity. Either it's a product of dysgenics, or(inclusive) a product of social-cultural factors.

[Anonymous No.20107383]

>>20107328
Brainlet take. Our environment has changed faster than we’ve had the ability to adapt to it. Things that we now pathologize, like anxiety disorders for example, have obvious advantages for people living in ancient or pre-historical societies. It’s not rocket science.

[Anonymous No.20107402]

if edgar allen and salvia palth were able to produce such works than they can't of even been that mentally ill in the first place.
i used to be very anti med but now im on anti psychotics because i keep trying to fight cops and shit. sometimes they are needed, but if i was able to sit down and focus on something like writing anything at all while unmedicated than i wouldent be taking them

[Anonymous No.20107429]

Pharmaceutical companies are literally the most evil corrupt thing in the entire world
Nothing they do can possibly be good no matter what it is

[Anonymous No.20107480]

>>20106009
go to bed, Pinker

[Anonymous No.20107525]

>>20102234
Not him but I listened to like 10 lectures on neurobiology and the professor constantly stressed that environment and genetic factors are both relevant. Everyone is on board with this. Yes, some people are genetically predisposed to depression. That doesn't mean their depression was necessarily caused by their genetics, it could be that they are genetically or culturally less adaptive to modern society. That should be seen not always as something to be treated with medication. Sure a suicidal individual or someone with manic depression could gain from medication but the average depressed and anxious individual has very good reason to feel the way they do. The world is changing rapidly and irreversibly without the informed consent of the population. We are becoming subservient to technology, beurocracy and entertainment. Our natural lives are being displaced more and more everyday. Life is a hamster wheel of work/eat/sleep /entertainment for the majority of people. This is not sustainable, this can and does cause mass psychological problems for the public and SSRIs alone can not fix them.

[Anonymous No.20107684]

>>20106076
Silence, magical thinker.

[Anonymous No.20108626]

>>20106550
Jesus this is just embarrasing.

[Anonymous No.20108785]

>>20102217
>>20102385
>>20102564
>>20102601
>>20104157

I think that the strict positivism of modern science has been detrimental to the clinical treatment of mental disorders. While it is true, or rather, it cannot be denied, that certain drugs do work to alleviate symptoms of mental illness, it cannot be said that psychiatric reasons are the primary cause of such maledictions. So quickly do modern psychiatrists and therapists prescribe medications for what is really temporary discomfort from some life stress; just look at how the words for clinical disorders are being used more to express emotions: the word depression is more synonymous with sadness than a disorder for example. A more phenomenalogical explanation is needed and the last big developments towards this was with Chomsky and Bergson

[Anonymous No.20108802]

hahahahahahahaha how the fuck is depression real hahahaha nigga just go outside and do things like nigga eat better food and exercise and stop sitting around haha

[Anonymous No.20108812]

>>20106550
America was a mistake
>>20106741
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.20108821]

Where exactly does the presumption come from that human beings are supposed to be happy, anyway? It certainly can't be derived from our overall experience of life, which is more often than not a fucking miserable vale of tears.

[Anonymous No.20110074]

>>20108821
>NOOO YOU CANT JUST BUY PILLS TO SUPPRESS THE HECKING UNHAPPINESS

[Anonymous No.20110679]

Psychotherapy was pushed as a liberal rationalist replacement for divine values and spirituality, the entire field is total fucking nonsense and widespread use of pharmaceuticals is just another essential component of modern society trying to keep the world population as complacent, mediocre and depressed as possible

[Anonymous No.20110779]

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