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Can you guys break down Nietzsche's eternal recurrence to me please? I've been reading Gay Science, Ecce Homo, Thus Spoken Zarathustra and I've seen him mention it but I have no idea what he Is trying to imply. I know that it means that things and people live their same lives over and over. But wtf he's actually trying to say or imply? I don't get it
Litbros, help me please

>> No.20091472

>>20091465
read the Stoics, its their idea.

>> No.20091484

>>20091465
War never changes.

>> No.20091489
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>>20091465
>Gay Science, Ecce Homo
this Nietzsche guy sounds like he's into guys if you catch my drift

>> No.20091521

>>20091465
> But wtf he's actually trying to say or imply?
He’s trying to encourage amor fati. The point is that after hearing about eternal recurrence you should fall down and say “you are a god and never have I heard anything more divine.” Seeing how much he distrusts metaphysics I highly doubt he ever intended it as anything more than psychological

>> No.20091527

>>20091472
how come?

>> No.20091534

>>20091521
He only distrusts "thread-spinning" metaphysics, Spinoza being the prime example of that.

>> No.20091539

>>20091527
The stoics believe the cosmos is eternally destroyed and regenerated. I don’t know if they actually thought identical lives would reoccur though so I wouldn’t trust that guy. Of course that’s not exactly original to the stoics either as the Norse religions have Ragnarok where the world is restarted and apparently there’s cyclical shit in hinduism

>> No.20091548

>>20091534
he never makes that qualification in what I’ve read from him. He even says there is no metaphysical world or that if it exists it is irrelevant. Obviously talking about platonism in that context, but he was a huge fan of skepticism and science so I really don’t think he believed in eternal return literally

>> No.20091685

>>20091548
Well, he sketches an attempt at a proof in the will to power

>> No.20091859

>>20091539
Hah. Thanks.

>> No.20092028

>>20091465
Eternal recurrence is the desire of the overman, the individual who possesses the greatest will to power (that is, the greatest quantity of internally conflicting impulses under the greatest measure of self-control) and therefore achieves the most challenging and complex form of amor fati so far possible. Eternal recurrence is the "afterlife" for the overman, the highest reward, the goal of life: to return again, eternally, with no "before" or "after," "behind" or "in front of," "above" or "below."

>>20091472
If it was their idea, they would have also come up with the overman, amor fati, and the will to power, all four of these concepts being intertwined.

>> No.20092861

>>20091489
lol

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>>20091465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uz6anwm47g

>> No.20093102

>>20092908
Infinities absolutely can have limits. Some Infinities are larger than other Infinities.

>> No.20093840

>>20091685
well in that case based

>> No.20093853

>>20093102
that doesn’t mean infinites have limits and also magnitude doesn’t apply to infinites in the same way as numbers. When they some infinities are “bigger” than others literally all it means is that you can’t place all of the items in one infinite set in a one to one mapping with the items of another set. One infinity doesn’t have a higher number than the other because obviously that would be absurd. Math doesn’t deal with applying actual magnitudes to infinity. I wish this some infinities are bigger than others meme would die but science popularizers would rather say something that generates controversy and gets them views than explain the basic set theory behind it

>> No.20093991

>>20091465
>I've been reading Gay Science,
Read "The greatest weight". It's a passage in The Gay Science. That's all you need to read to understand the concept.

>> No.20094404

>>20093102
But anon, infinities *are* limits.