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[Anonymous No.20085953]

Can you be a Christian and a perennialist at the same time?

[Anonymous No.20085962]

>>20085953
Yes. Vatican II is a semi-Perennialist document.

>From ancient times down to the present, there is found among various peoples a certain perception of that hidden power which hovers over the course of things and over the events of human history; at times some indeed have come to the recognition of a Supreme Being, or even of a Father. This perception and recognition penetrates their lives with a profound religious sense.

>Religions, however, that are bound up with an advanced culture have struggled to answer the same questions by means of more refined concepts and a more developed language. Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust. Again, Buddhism, in its various forms, realizes the radical insufficiency of this changeable world; it teaches a way by which men, in a devout and confident spirit, may be able either to acquire the state of perfect liberation, or attain, by their own efforts or through higher help, supreme illumination. Likewise, other religions found everywhere try to counter the restlessness of the human heart, each in its own manner, by proposing "ways," comprising teachings, rules of life, and sacred rites. The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.(4)

>The Church, therefore, exhorts her sons, that through dialogue and collaboration with the followers of other religions, carried out with prudence and love and in witness to the Christian faith and life, they recognize, preserve and promote the good things, spiritual and moral, as well as the socio-cultural values found among these men.

[Anonymous No.20085991]

You can “be” whatever bro. but if you believe that Christ is the only way to salvation and Christianity is the only “true” religion you are going to run into contradictions with most people who call them selves perennialist.

[Anonymous No.20085993]

>>20085953
Perennialism implies that you can roll with anything because at the end of the day they all lead to the same thing. With an obvious caveat like esoteric belief-systems that seek to destroy the world etc.

[Anonymous No.20086018]

>>20085991
Is there anywhere on the bible that explicitly states that christ is the ONLY way? I dont know much about christian theology, just going to start reading the bible

[Anonymous No.20086024]

>>20086018
Yes Christ is the only way to salvation, but that doesn't mean Christ won't save people who are in different religions.

[Anonymous No.20086025]

Where are the books?

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !Ry9RIEstm6 No.20086027]

>>20085953


NO.

[Anonymous No.20086035]

>>20086018
"No one comes to the Father except through me." -John 14:6, "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” -Acts 4:12, "and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -1 Timothy 2:5.

[Anonymous No.20086036]

>>20085953
No you can only be a lover of cookies specifically ginger root.

[Anonymous No.20086061]

>>20086036
can they be soft and chewy ginger cookies

[Anonymous No.20086082]

>>20086035
So why do christcucks worships Jews when not even Jews worship Jesus, on the contrary, orthodox Jews despise Jesus Christ and the Talmud is full of heretical writings about Jesus

[Anonymous No.20086093]

>>20086024
This made me realize there's an issue with Christians who believe one must have a knowledge of the actual Jesus Christ who existed 2,000 years ago in order to be saved through Christ. What do they take it to mean to believe in Christ? Do they need to have an image of the figure of Christ in their mind? But no one pictures Christ the same way. Some imagine a long haired white man, some imagine an ugly brown dude, some imagine a Chinese guy, others put more emphasis on his godliness and maybe imagine a mist or a light. Do they at least need to know they're imagining the man who lived 2,000 years ago and is written of in the bible? Plenty of Christians never read the bible or even know exact story of Christ. There's even four of them in the bible. They may know of him as the "son of God," but what do they imagine "son" to mean? He's not a son in the normal sense of the word since God the father is not anthropomorphic. These sorts of questions lead me to believe that one does not need to conceive of oneself as a Christian, a follower of Christ who is the son of God the father since these are all names of intuitions that can appear under many other names in different languages and cultures.

[Anonymous No.20086118]

>>20086093
Remember that Muslims also consider Christ as a divine prophet but dont consider him to be God or the son of god from what I understand

[Anonymous No.20086184]

>>20086061
Yes

[Anonymous No.20086195]

>>20086118
But what matters more? That your have an historically accurate conception of God, or an intuitive understanding of God?

[Anonymous No.20086336]

>>20085953
Wolfgang Smith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Smith

[Anonymous No.20086356]

So what happens to the souls of men who lived and died before Christ was born and crucified? What happens to the souls of men who lived and died in parts of the world Christianity never reached?

[Anonymous No.20086365]

>>20086356
1) Harrowing of Hell, 2) baptism of desire

[Anonymous No.20086367]

>>20085962
>Vatican II is a semi-Perennialist document
Vatican II is a council not a document you mongoloid. The document you are quoting is Nostra Aetate

[Anonymous No.20086390]

>>20086365
How can someone desire baptism if they’ve never heard of Christianity?

[Anonymous No.20086400]

>>20086365
>1) Harrowing of Hell
do you have a single bible verse to back this up

[Anonymous No.20086427]

>>20086093
That's a lot of words to say "Many Christians have different conceptions of who Christ is". Not a profound revelation, this is pretty obvious considering how many different denominations there are.

This is the reason why Christ instituted the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has one singular unified concept of who Jesus Christ is. All you need to believe who Christ is to not be a heretic is that he is both fully God and fully man, two natures united, with a divine will and human will united, in the hypostatic union, the Eternally Begotten Son of God the Father, God the Son the second person of the Holy Trinity, who has no beginning or end, and was born to the Virgin Mary by conception from the Holy Spirit, and was crucified and resurrected three days later for the salvation of all mankind.

There's an entire branch of theology that will answer everything you're asking in that post. Its called Christology. Start here: https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08374c.htm

[Anonymous No.20086507]

>>20086427
like you said, not even Christians agree on whats supposed to be the official Christian doctrine, hence the reason theres multiple christian sects. Evangelicals consider Catholics to be heretics and viceversa, how can you argue that x christian faith is the true faith if evidently the bible opens the possibility of numerous interpretations?

[Anonymous No.20086535]

>>20086427
>All you need to believe who Christ is to not be a heretic is that he is both fully God and fully man, two natures united, with a divine will and human will united, in the hypostatic union, the Eternally Begotten Son of God the Father, God the Son the second person of the Holy Trinity, who has no beginning or end, and was born to the Virgin Mary by conception from the Holy Spirit, and was crucified and resurrected three days later for the salvation of all mankind.
I guess my question is why is believing that Christ is all those things more important than understanding what Christ means or intuiting transcendent life?

[Anonymous No.20086537]

>>20086507
maybe go with the one that's been around for 2000 years instead of the 500 year old german power grab

[Anonymous No.20086539]

>>20086537
>maybe go with the one that's been around for 2000
gnosticism?

[Anonymous No.20086556]

I just shit my pants

[Anonymous No.20086558]

Christians don't exist. It's just an act like a rennaissance fair

[Anonymous No.20086582]

>>20085953
Yes, Christian Hermeticism.
picrel is what you're looking for if you want to explore Christianity and perennialism deeper

[Anonymous No.20086881]

>>20085953
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

…at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with the angels of his power in flaming fire, rendering vengeance to them that know not God, and to them that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus

[Anonymous No.20086945]

>>20086082
Holy shit you are astoundingly retarded. I think my IQ dropped 20 points trying to make it through this sentence. Go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.20086987]

>>20086945
Cope harder christcuck, you worship Jews and follow Jewish mythology

[Anonymous No.20087002]

>>20085953
Yes. If Christ is the Logos then it's silly to think that revelation is limited to the New Testament. Christian theology necessitates that people be able to discern the truth of God by reason, otherwise Christs claim of being the universal Logos would be undermined.

[Anonymous No.20087006]

>>20086356
Thoughts like this are why I cannot seriously entertain any exclusivist claims. You're telling me God condemned every living human being outside the Mediterranean to Hell for over a millennia because the gospel hadn't been spread there yet? Get the fuck outta here.

[Anonymous No.20087010]

>>20086027
Probably the worst post I've ever seen on this board since the fucking naked banana in 2015
>strawman
>reductionist
>namefag
What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Anonymous No.20087011]

>>20086390
>"It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity" and, by extension, God may permit them to attain salvation

[Anonymous No.20087020]

>>20087002
>it's silly to think that revelation is limited to the New Testament
This is how 99% of christians think

[Anonymous No.20087027]

>>20087011
This is one of the biggest copes I’ve ever heard lmao

[Anonymous No.20087034]

>>20087006
Lol I asked this question on /pol/ once. I got told that a child in an African country, who dies of starvation, and who never gets a chance to learn of the gospels, deserves it for the sins of their past generations damning them until the present and beyond to the future.

[Anonymous No.20087086]

>>20087027
That's cap.

[Anonymous No.20087095]

>>20087011
>Die
>Realize if you don't get baptized you go to hell for eternity
>Oh shit, yeah dude I totally would've been baptized if I knew

[Anonymous No.20087162]

>>20087095
>the doors of hell are locked on the inside

[Anonymous No.20087280]

>>20085953
No, because you're apostatizing your own faith in Christ as savior to sate mere intellectual desire. It's grotesque Luciferianism.

[Anonymous No.20087343]

>>20087280
The letter kills, the spirit gives life. Follow Christ in spirit, not by pointless legalism and Talmudic pilpul over what Bible verses mean.

[Anonymous No.20087356]

>>20087343
>you’re not really saved by Jesus alone, just ignore the text!

[Anonymous No.20087380]

>>20087356
>Devout Buddhists who live exactly like Christ said to live go to Hell because...Well, they just do! Ok!

[Anonymous No.20087403]

>>20087380
based perennialist

[Anonymous No.20087412]

>>20087380
This
>muslim who respects Christ as a divine prophet LE BAD heretic that will go to hell
>homosexual evangelical pastor who preaches the gospels LE GOOD christian

[Anonymous No.20087417]

>>20086027
The faggot who made this image either got filtered by Guenon or, even more likely, never read him and instead got butthurt about people on the internet.

[Anonymous No.20087422]

>>20087380
This is why Ramakrishna is so based.
>"I have practised all religions - Hinduism, Islam, Christianity - and I have also followed the paths of the different Hindu sects. I have found that it is the same God toward whom all are directing their steps, though along different paths. You must try all beliefs and traverse all the different ways once. Wherever I look, I see men quarrelling in the name of religion - Hindus, Mohammedans, Brahmos, Vaishnavas, and the rest. But they never reflect that He who is called Krishna is also called Siva, and bears the name of the Primal Energy, Jesus, and Allah as well - the same Rama with a thousand names. A lake has several Ghats. At one, the Hindus take water in pitchers and call it ' Jal ' ; at another the Mussalmans take water in leather bags and call it ' pani '. At a third the Christians call it ' water '. Can we imagine that it is not ' Jal ' , but only ' pani ' or ' water '? How ridiculous! The substance is One under different names, and everyone is seeking the same substance; only climate, temperament, and name create differences. Let each man follow his own path. If he sincerely and ardently wishes to know God, peace be unto him! He will surely realize Him."

[Anonymous No.20087423]

>>20087412
>Jesus Christ who spend his entire time preaching telling the Pharisees they were being retards for trying to catch him in legal loopholes and saying he was bad for healing people on the sabbath because that's work
>Makes salvation hinge entirely on legalistic theological wrangling
Bruh what are these cucks smoking anyway.

[Anonymous No.20087495]

>>20086082
>>20086987
Jesus was a Judean, not a jew. The modern word "jew" describes the biological and cultural descendants of the rabbinic Pharisees, who were Jesus' greatest earthly enemies and the ones that had him killed.

[Anonymous No.20087505]

>>20086539
>ancient fan fiction texts with anachronistic hellenistic philosophy inserted in
Yeah, nah

[Anonymous No.20087521]

>>20086535
>I guess my question is why is believing that Christ is all those things more important than understanding what Christ means or intuiting transcendent life?
Because who Christ is, has heavy implications on what true theology is.
If Christ is not fully man then it negates the power of the cross, because it means God did not take on our form and suffer the same way we did
If Christ is not God then it means again that God did not take our form and suffer
And if Christ is not eternal and pre-existing from his incarnation then he isnt God
If Christ did not die on the cross and rise from the dead then that means we cannot rise from the dead
If Christ did not rise from the dead at all then the entire Christian faith is in vain.

[Anonymous No.20087533]

>>20087380
A devout Buddhist lives nothing like Christ did.
Christ embraced suffering to bring good out of it
Buddhists try to avoid suffering as much as possible, thats the whole point of Buddhism.
You have no idea what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.20087534]

>>20087521
>If Christ did not rise from the dead at all then the entire Christian faith is in vain.
I am 100% certain he didn't rise from the dead, and I am 60% certain he didn't even exist. All Abrahamic religions are retarded, but Christianity is the stupidest because your entire narrative hinges on such a stupid claim.

[Anonymous No.20087544]

>>20087505
>>ancient fan fiction texts with anachronistic hellenistic philosophy inserted in
So, the new testament?

[Anonymous No.20087547]

>>20087380
>>20087403
>>20087412
>>20087422
>>20087423
>I accept Christ as savior even though I deliberately subvert and cherrypick Christ's words for my own devices
I don't personally care if you're Christian or not - but that's precisely the point, isn't it? You're not, yet you continue to pretend and keep up this act to seem harmless and innocuous, despite glowing in the dark like the freemason tranny you are.

[Anonymous No.20087556]

>>20087533
>Christ embraced suffering
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

[Anonymous No.20087558]

>>20087547
Christianity is a trash tradition that doesn't have a single positive aspect to it. All Abrahamic traditions are bad, but Christianity is the worst because it involves worshiping the suffering of an irrelevant Jew from the Levant. It is a religion that glorifies weakness and victim consciousness. I have never harmed anyone, but I would make a special exception for Christ. I'd cut off his head and drop it onto the tip of your toes as his disgusting Jew blood sullies your feet.
Christcucks are irredeemable trash. Go pray to your disgusting weak Jew.

[Anonymous No.20087566]

>>20087547
I'm more Christian than anyone who seriously believes that people outside the Mediterranean have been damned to eternal hell for thousands of years before the gospel reached their shores. And no the Harrowing of Hell doesn't fix this issue, that's only the people who were in Abrahams Bosom before Christ's crucifixion.

[Anonymous No.20087577]

>>20087558
The antinomian mason reveals his true colors at last!
>>20087566
>I'm more Christian than anyone
No one I replied to is a "Christian".

[Anonymous No.20087590]

>>20087577
Not the same guy, dumbass. Christianity is already antinomian because you can just ask for forgiveness to a dumb Jew on your deathbed.

[Anonymous No.20087606]

>>20087547
I follow Christ's teachings and think he was an enlightened being but I wont submit myself and follow some corrupt institution and its doctrine that tells me what to think, what to read and what not to read, whats allowed or not or if I should abstain myself from doing x thing that is considered heretical because some faggot in the hierarchy decided so 500 years ago.
does that make me a christian?

[Anonymous No.20087616]

>>20087577
I trust in the Cosmic Christ

[Anonymous No.20087617]

>>20087534
>I am 100% certain he didn't rise from the dead
Prove it. Where's his body?
>buh buh he didn't exist
All serious historians disagree with you, Jesus mythism is a cope, you are coping bruh!

[Anonymous No.20087630]

>>20087617
>Where's his body?
It would have decomposed by now. Also, the burden on proof is on you to prove he did rise.
>All serious historians disagree with you
Not every single one, dumbass.
Also, if it makes you feel better, I am 70% sure Muhammad didn't exist either. 90% sure Moses didn't exist.
Islam is still a better tradition because it's better to be a goat fucker than an oversocialized guilt-ridden cuck who paved the way to the loss of mankind's autonomy from industrialization.

[Anonymous No.20087631]

>>20087558
>It is a religion that glorifies weakness and victim consciousness

[Anonymous No.20087634]

>>20087590
Fuck off back to your discord.
>>20087606
You're literally a gnostic.

[Anonymous No.20087641]

>>20087630
>Islam is still a better tradition because it's better to be a goat fucker than an oversocialized guilt-ridden cuck who paved the way to the loss of mankind's autonomy from industrialization.
Oh wow, it's a tranny Tedfag hahahahaha.

[Anonymous No.20087646]

>>20087631
>>20087634
>>20087641
Jesus was an irrelevant Jew from the Levant and nothing you say will change that you absolute icchantikas. I am 100% right without a benefit of doubt. You will suffer for trillions and trillions of kalpas, and if it were legally permissible, I would gladly execute you ingrates because you are hysterical, deceitful stupid pieces of shirt. Slit your fucking throats and keep repeating that Jew's name until your very last breath. It means absolutely nothing

[Anonymous No.20087651]

>>20087631
Damn I didn't realize Romans in Celsus's time had computers

[Anonymous No.20087660]

>>20087630
>I am 70% sure Muhammad didn't exist either
That's even more retarded of a claim. You can't just pretend religious figures didn't exist as a cope to dismiss the religion entirely without effort. Nobody is going to take you seriously.
>the burden of proof is on you
But I'll humor you anyway.

Picture this. You are in Judea in 33 AD. There is a growing sect of Jews who claim they follow the Messiah, and that the Messiah is the supposed prophet that was crucified in front of all of Jerusalem. They say he rose from the dead.
If he didn't actually rise from the dead, it would be pretty easy and quick to shut up their movement forever. Because the Jews or the Romans could have EASILY opened up his tomb and showed his corpse. But that didn't happen. The Jewish authorities and the Roman authorities hated the Christians, yet they never ended their movement for good by simply presenting the corpse of Jesus, which they easily could have done since they were the ones who killed him.
>his followers hid his body
Eleven of the twelve disciples were tortured and executed for claiming that Jesus rose from the dead. If they were all lying then at least one of those eleven would have confessed so as to not get executed horribly. But none of them did. Or are you just going to say they didn't exist either?
>they made it up for power
Getting hunted down by the Roman authorities and then killed doesn't seem like the most effective power grab, especially when most common people just mocked you anyway.
>they mass hallucinated his resurrection
There is zero instances of mass hallucinations ever happening in history, where multiple people all hallucinate the exact same thing. You might as well say "it was aliens", its just as serious.

I know you're just going to handwave this away anyway cause you're either an idiot or just trying to get (You)s, but hopefully someone else reading this will be convinced.

[Anonymous No.20087672]

>>20087646
>Jesus was an irrelevant Jew from the Levant and nothing you say will change that you absolute icchantikas. I am 100% right without a benefit of doubt. You will suffer for trillions and trillions of kalpas, and if it were legally permissible, I would gladly execute you ingrates because you are hysterical, deceitful stupid pieces of shirt. Slit your fucking throats and keep repeating that Jew's name until your very last breath. It means absolutely nothing

[Anonymous No.20087686]

>>20087660
>>20087660
>you can't just pretend religious figures didn't exist as a cope to dismiss the religion entirely without effort
there is a book on this theory that was well-justified. The Koran is a bastardized translation of a Nestorian text made by Rashidun on the fly. Some verses only make sense in Aramaic (e.g., "grapes on a vine" rather than "virgins in heaven"). Muhammad was just a fictional invention to invite disparate Arab tribes for imperial purposes.
I can try to find the book if further interested.
>They say he rose from the dead
Jews were notorious liars. What they have to say doesn't matter.
>If he didn't actually rise from the dead, it would be pretty easy and quick to shut up their movement foreve
They were backed by a wealthy Roman family like Flavians because they wanted to unite disparate European tribes and pave way for Feudalism. All religions grow for geopolitical purposes. The actual philosophical substance of Christianity is a joke.
It is not difficult to fabricate history.
>The Jewish...
You're pretty much Jews now given how much you obsess about their petty conflicts. Jewpian.
>There is zero instances of mass hallucinations ever happening in history, where multiple people all hallucinate the exact same thing
I am sure there are a few exceptions.

[Anonymous No.20087689]

>>20087672
You're the one always crying about a dead Jew. I actually dance whenever I see him getting tortured.
>>20087686
>invite
unite*

[Anonymous No.20087690]

>>20087646
Shouldn't you be doing your homework right about now, little fella?

[Anonymous No.20087711]

>>20087577
>No one I replied to is a "Christian".
Who is a christian according to you?>>20087634
>You're literally a gnostic.
Sounds based, taking into consideration that the gnostics were closer to Christ in all possible ways compared to the modern catholicuck or evangelicuck faggot playing rock music while preaching the gospels and asking for money to donate to Israel. Take into consideration that the gnostics also precede the roman catholic church and most were from the levant where Jesus was from but I guess that NOT following the corrupt doctrine from the church makes me a heretic freemason neoplatonic tranny

[Anonymous No.20087721]

>>20087686
>there is a book on this theory that was well-justified. The Koran is a bastardized translation of a Nestorian text made by Rashidun on the fly. Some verses only make sense in Aramaic (e.g., "grapes on a vine" rather than "virgins in heaven"). Muhammad was just a fictional invention to invite disparate Arab tribes for imperial purposes.
wow dude, the Da Vinci Code? so redpilled
>Jews were notorious liars
cope, not an argument
>They were backed by a wealthy Roman family
wow so redpilled, is this also from the Da Vinci Code? DAE like conspiracy theories? XD
>the actual philosophical substance
Not the point of Christianity
>You're pretty much jews
Okay...and?
>I am sure there are a few exceptions
Grasping at straws

There is more evidence for the resurrection of Christ than there is for the existence of Buddha

[Anonymous No.20087727]

>>20087660
>If they were all lying then at least one of those eleven would have confessed so as to not get executed horribly.
12 is a great number. You really think he had 12 super duper disciples above the general pool, or is that just to parallel each of the tribes of Israel he was written to save? As for dying horribly, that makes for even better literature—they became Christ-like in their deaths! Our only sources of information on these men are those written by members of their cult, who had every incentive to write them in such a manner—how boring it woild have been for all of Jesus's followers to abandon him and go on living when the early church was such a strong advocate of suicide-by-Roman-cop. Had they lived they would be setting a poor example. Did any major early saints die of old age, or were they all anti-Roman agitators?

[Anonymous No.20087732]

>>20087711
We get it, you have a lifelong desire to be a special snowflake, that's why you're on this website, and that's why you LARP in the 21st century as a LARPer from the first century. Mainstream religion is too normie!

[Anonymous No.20087733]

>>20087721
>There is more evidence for the resurrection of Christ than there is for the existence of Buddha
What do you mean by evidence, exactly? I don't suppose cult literature is admissible as evidence. So what does that leave us? The rock edicts of Ashoka versus the letter of Pliny to Trajan?

[Anonymous No.20087745]

>>20087721
>>You're pretty much jews
>Okay...and?
Nothing about that exchange back was remotely admirable, nobody despises Jews because we secretly want to be them, it’s because their radical hypocrites and bronze age supremacists who prophesied that all gentiles will bow down to them as Gods chosen and will receive thousand of gentile slaves.

[Anonymous No.20087747]

>>20087721
>wow dude, the Da Vinci Code? so redpilled
It's an actual scholarly work published with a pseudonym for obvious reasons (ie crazy Muslims). I'll have to find it on Amazon again, but I did read summaries of it before.
>cope, not an argument
Jews were notorious liars is a good argument because it indicates we can't take their words seriously and should look into other sources and their inconsistencies. For example, many Christcucks misinterpret Tacitus as actually saying he saw Jesus crucified, but he is just repeating the gossip of Christcucks.
>wow so redpilled, is this also from the Da Vinci Code? DAE like conspiracy theories? XD
My views are a mix of Joe Atwill and Richard Carrier. I actually developed a better understanding than them with a more comprehensive historical understanding, which I haven't shared yet.
>Not the point of Christianity
The Incarnation and Resurrection are obviously bullshit, so I recommend looking into different traditions.
>There is more evidence for the resurrection of Christ than there is for the existence of Buddha
Buddha most likely didn't exist either, and he was most likely a tree shrine god. The thing is, later enlightened figures like Bodhidharma and Huineng are considered equal to Buddha in wisdom in certain sects of Mahayana. Bodhidharma is my starting point, and he did exist as newer scholarship is showing. There was doubt in the beginning from scholars, but they have generally started agreeing he existed except most things surrounding his life is made up.

I've studied this shit more than you. Abrahamic religions are irredeemable. Zoroaster also was a composite of different people, so we can dismiss his existence too.

[Anonymous No.20087748]

>>20087495
Jesus called himself a jew you retarded mutt larper.

[Anonymous No.20087751]

>>20087727
>Did any major early saints die of old age
John, who wrote a canonical Gospel, three epistles, and the book of Revelation in the New Testament, and was also the only one of the Twelve to not be martyred, and was also the closest friend to Jesus.
Also, the Virgin Mary, Mary Magdalene, Matthias, Titus

[Anonymous No.20087754]

>>20087747
>so I recommend looking into different traditions.
Sorry, unlike you I don't believe in Christianity to gloat myself as some philosopher truth-seeker, I believe in Christianity because Jesus rose from the dead

[Anonymous No.20087770]

>>20087751
so they can be counted on one hand compared to the felons

[Anonymous No.20087773]

>>20087495
Prophets were killed all the time. Read your Torah

[Anonymous No.20087794]

>>20087754
>Jesus rose from the dead
Sorry to break your bubble, but I am 100% certain he didn't. I am not giving my beliefs here, I am 100% saying the truth. It's as likely as Mithras slaying the bull and riding with Sol Invictus to the ends of the Universe, but in that case it was more poetic.

[Anonymous No.20087840]

>>20085953
You can be both a pedophile and a christian so why not

[Anonymous No.20088032]

>>20086365
>2) baptism of desire
Baptism of desire is heresy. If you are not baptized you are in hell, no exception.

[Anonymous No.20088040]

I don't agree with Perennialism regarding that it says all religions lead to salvation, but I find the insights of Guénon very interesting. Is it reconcilable, as a Catholic, to read his book The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times? I read that it made Catholics to devout Catholics.