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This is amazing
> University class
> Discussing The Black Cat by Allan Poe, a story about a seemingly demonic cat that provokes its owner's murder of his wife.
> somehow the discussion manages to swerve onto the topic of fucking slavery

What the fuck?

>> No.20079856

Read Kendi

>> No.20079885

>>20079856
What of him?

>> No.20079968

>>20079847
>What the fuck?
Hypnotism. You fuckers are trained from a young age to go into an apoplectic rage whenever the world "black" enters your cognitive horizon.

>> No.20079996

>>20079847
Mutt law.

>> No.20080000

>>20079968
Yeah.
And the worst thing is it does actually work.
My 'fellow students' look at any cultural work and only see racial and sexual oppression.

>> No.20080015
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>>20079847
What was the cat's name?

>> No.20080016

>>20079847
What was the cats name?

>> No.20080018

While I agree associating the story with slavery is silly, I also feel you're oversimplifying the story.

>> No.20080069

>>20080018
Of course it's an oversimplification, the story is way more developed and meaningful than that.

I guess I though it would make the contrast between the topic of the story and the topic of discussion more amusing.

>> No.20080448

>>20080069
i think that anon meant that youre oversimplifying the story of how the 8lack cat was connected to slavery rather than oversimplifying the 8lack cat itself.

anyways, youre up against "the school of resentment." i hope we overcome it one day. or i dont hope anything, 8ecause hope leads to dissapointment and suffering. or my 8ody hopes and im not attached to my 8ody's hoping. or we are fucked 8ut in a good way like people in a haunted house attraction who went in willingly to 8e scared and will come out having enjoyed the thrill. or we are fucked 8ecause all we are is that ephemeral thing of 8eing fucked forever in that moment as the collective simultaneous experience of everything. or we are nothing since any 8eing is through the 8eing of everything, which only is 8ecause nothing is and nothing is everything since they are the same, since 8oth are defined only 8y their lack of definitions. i guess in any case the 4th or applies.

>> No.20080527

>>20079968
Lack of organic thought production plus compulsion to contribute to the discussion for pride and/or because it is for a grade produces propaganda regurgitations. You have to navigate a minefield of buzzwords to try and hold a living conversation these days. If the cat was a calico slavery would never have entered the conversation. Truly depressing stuff. This is the argument for why not everyone should be educated. A good portion are just literal parrots and eat up air time.

>> No.20080542

>>20080448
>i think that anon meant that youre oversimplifying the story of how the 8lack cat was connected to slavery rather than oversimplifying the 8lack cat itself.
No, I meant the latter, but only insofar as I can see how someone might make a connection to slavery from that story, even if I think it's reaching and pure silliness to do so.

>> No.20080546

>>20080542
It's no deeper than BLACK cat. That's the sole reason slavery gets brought up, which is absurd.

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>>20079847
Hehe niggers are black and they will literally never forget it. Imagine waking up and remembering you're black

>> No.20080574

>>20079847
American culture is obsessed and defined by slavery and the holohoax, they worship blacks and jews, truly a disgusting culture

>> No.20080922

>>20080546
It was something different, actually.
The argument was that the wife in the story is portrayed as less important to the husband than the titular black cat which is supposed to be an example of dehumanization that the black population also experienced.
WHICH IS EVEN MORE IDIOTIC THAN WHAT YOU MENTIONED

>> No.20080931

>>20080574
It's a Polish university, English studies course.

I am appalled at how much the American paranoia has penetrated the European cultural discourse.

>> No.20081483 [DELETED] 

>In undesirable conversation with someone.
>— I think our society-
>Teleport out of the room.

>> No.20081516

>In undesirable conversation with someone.

>— I THiNK ouR SoCieTY-

>Teleport out of the room.

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>>20080000
checked

>> No.20081978

>>20080448
why are you typing 8 in place of b
(do not answer that 8 looks the most like a capital B. while that is true, I'm really asking why you're typing anything in place of b)

>> No.20083514

>>20081978
I knocked off a water jug in my sleep and it spilled on the b and x keys of my wireless keyboard. For some reason it now types 8s instead of bs, which is very convenient, and ps instead of xs, so i have to go back and fix the xs with the screen keyboard. Im phoneposting now

>> No.20083523

>>20080000
>ook at any cultural work and only see racial and sexual oppression.
Because that‘s what was the norm at that time and it is reflected in every work preserved.

>> No.20083532

>>20083514
the b and x but not the c and v?
hmm... seems fishy....

>> No.20083551

>Hey guys guess how annoying the people in my first-year english class were

Shut up. If you think their interpretation was stupid then come up with your own. Actually contribute to the discussion instead of complaining on the internet.

>> No.20083564

The prot of this story is the archetypal angry white man who abuses everything he has power over granted by society to relief his suppressed anger. So yes, this is about sexism and racism because that‘s exactly where the roots of those are.

>> No.20083736

>>20083532
yeah c and v work fine

>> No.20083886

>>20080931
I'm in a course on American Gothic literature in a Norwegian university and it's the exact same bullshit.

Something something intrusion of the real.. uncanny repressed blablabla... et voilá: white men are evil and should be driven from our canon. Oh, Charlotte Perkins Gilman was an outspoken racist eugenicist? Well we won't mention that because she was a feminist, but Lovecraft must always be characterized as a racist because of the fucking niggermeme cat of Exham priory. He is a white male after all.

The ridiculous leaps of these "critical lenses" have reduced the previously noble endeavor of literary criticism to little more than tasseography.

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>>20083551
>Actually contribute to the discussion
PROFESSOR, ACTUALLY ANGLO-SAXONS AND GAULS WERE ALSO ENSLAVED. SO PEOPLE WITH ENGLISH AND GERMAN ANCESTRY ARE ALSO OWED REPARATIONS. AND 60% OF SLAVE TRADERS WERE BLACK. THE REST WERE JEWISH AND ARAB. IN FACT THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE WAS PROLIFIC IN SLAVERY. MUHAMMAD OWNED SLAVES. THE BIGGEST IMPORTER OF SLAVES WAS BRAZIL. AND THEY'RE NO BETTER THAN ANYONE FOR IT. THE INDIANS PRACTICED SLAVERY, LIKE THE CREEK, CHIKTAW, CHEROKEE, AND SEMINOLES. THEY TOOK THEIR SLAVES ON THE TRAIL OF TEARS. SLAVERY WAS PRACTICED IN ALMOST EVERY CONTINENT. PERUVIANS ENSLAVED CHINESE. THE SPANISH ENSLAVED MEXICANS, AND MEXICANS ENSLAVED GUATEMALANS. THE PHILIPINOS HAD SLAVERY FOR A LONG TIME. AND PHILIPINOS HAVE A HIGHER MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME THAN THE AVERAGE WHITE AMERICAN. PEOPLE FROM HONG KONG, TAIWAN, AND SINGAPORE WERE SUBJECTED TO COLONIALISM AND YET THOSE COUNTRIES NOW HAVE EQUAL OR HIGHER PER CAPITA GDP THAN THE US. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, BLACK PEOPLE DESPITE BEING ONLY 13% OF THE POPULATIO--

>> No.20084012

>>20083551
Arguing with ideologues at your education/workplace is an excellent way to become a social pariah. It's just not worth it, you'll be forever considered a bigot

>> No.20084343

>>20080448
Did an angel descend and reveal the word of god to you in the split second it took for the container to spill water on your keyboard?

>> No.20084351

>>20079847
>> University class
That's where you fucked up
>t. posted from eduroam

>> No.20084929

>>20080000
Naisu kuwadzu, anon-kun
>>20083523
low tier bait

>> No.20086064

>>20084008
>>20084012

Even if you really think saying "I don't know if the text really supports that" will get you shunned or expelled or whatever, you can just share your interpretation without even making a comment on theirs. It would be infinitely more productive and edifying for yourself and everybody else in that classroom to actually share an original thought instead of silently stewing over some stupid 18-year-old trying to make a connection between the story and a popular issue.

>> No.20086250

>>20083886
Modern western society is a society that has won, and sits atop its throne idly. All those who have not one mill about, interacting and operating in the old ways, engaging in the old strifes. Western society is sad it can no longer be a part of this life, for who would strike the King? No less, he goes out into the field, paints his face with mud, plays the part of the peasant, grinning among them, eager to take part in their games, carnivals, and little wars. In the revelry he is here and there tapped perhaps too boldly, and the offenders having intended to are not are quietly lead away and beheaded, the King unaware for none of his servants dare break his illusion, too afraid to tell him now. The people recognize him, and some do openly hate him, and he accepts this and even gives them his stewards and builders for eviscerating as comeuppance, some patronize him for his money, and for his favors which he grants like large charity though his fortune is bottomless and it really is of no consequence to him. His self absorption is finally complete.

>> No.20086392

>In Shakespeare class last week.
>We get to Othello.
>Prof doesn't take about racism at all.
>Instead we talk about how based Iago.
Fucking all my classes are awesome. Is this an American thing or something?

>> No.20086409

>>20079847
You don't argue with americans, you shoot them.

>> No.20086438

>>20086392
Wow, when we did Othello our professor barely got past "beast with two backs". For some reason he was really into the thought of Brabantio seething at Desdemona eloping with the moor. Ofc he was an anglo so I guess that explains it.

>> No.20086472

>>20081978
They are a homestuck fag

>> No.20086527

>>20086438
>beast with two backs
I hear that line and I think of Sofa King by DOOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR2BboZeLEw

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>>20086064
>actually share an original thought instead of silently stewing

>> No.20088266

>>20086064
stop projecting your insecurity about being original to OP anon. it's obnoxious

>> No.20089000

>>20079847
>watch a free NYU course filmed in 2010 on american literature
>he brings up racism in the first hour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwj96HsP5Qs&list=PLE094311E2D7A31CD