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I recommend The Order of Things, History of Madness and the History of Sexuality

>> No.20067714

>>20067699
this dude was a pedo and propagated ideology that justified being a pedo

>> No.20068497

>>20067714
So did Niètzsche

>> No.20068503

Derrida dabs on this guy effortlessly

>> No.20068547

>>20067699
He’s so bad with the historical data in history of sexuality. Why should I bother to take him seriously?

>> No.20068957

>>20068497
Wrong. Nietzsche was a based woman enjoyer. Child fuckers are last men.

>> No.20068966

>>20067714
Yes pedophilia is the endgame of liberal ideology, he was merely following the logic of contract theory and consent.

>> No.20068978

>write poisonous nonsense
>violate the assholes of dozens of Moroccan orphans
>be famous with other effete pedophiles and weekend cannibals
>die of AIDS

A life to emulate.

>> No.20068979

>>20068957
>The erotic relation of men to youths was the necessary and sole preparation, to a degree unattainable to our comprehension, of all manly education (pretty much as for a long time all higher education of women was only attainable through love and marriage). All idealism of the strength of the Greek nature threw itself into that relation, and it is probable that never since have young men been treated so attentively, so lovingly so entirely with a view to their welfare (virtus) as in the fifth and sixth centuries B.C.— according to the beautiful saying of Holderlin: “denn liebend giebt der Sterbliche vom Besten”. The higher the light in which this relation was regarded, the lower sank intercourse with women.
Friedrich Nietzsche, Human All Too Human 259

>Plato goes further. He says with an innocence possible only for a Greek, not a "Christian," that there would be no Platonic philosophy at all if there were not such beautiful youths in Athens: it is only their sight that transposes the philosopher's soul into an erotic trance, leaving it no peace until it lowers the seed of all exalted things into such beautiful soil
Friedrich Nietzsche, Twilight of the Idols chapter 8, 23

>> No.20068983

>>20068978
poisonous nonsense are meaningless words.

>> No.20069029

>>20068979
Are Olympic coaches gay / bi to you? They have to possess the same vitality in regards to the bodies of young men and women as the Greeks had. It's only Christians who are cowards in this respect, hence why it was during Christian rule that the Olympic games vanished (and why pedophilia became so prevalent, too).

>> No.20069036

>>20069029
>Are Olympic coaches gay / bi to you?
if they have sex and fall in love with their trainees as the greeks, then yes,

>> No.20069042

>>20069036
Only homosexual degenerates did that. The men responsible for cultural triumphs like the Olympic games couldn't have managed such a feat if they were degenerates. Just like how homosexual degenerates today are responsible for nothing besides whining and subversion.

>> No.20069063

>>20069042
You are projecting modern morals onto the Greeks. An active (penetrative) homosexual was not considered effeminate, only a passive (receptive) one. That is why it was considered conventional for the youths that Greek men had sex with not to enjoy it -- they were only meant to have sex with their erastai out of respect and love for them, not out of desire for anal penetration. The Thebans based their highly successful military structure around pairs of homosexual couples (as Plutarch, Xenophon and Plato attest to). I don't see why it is so hard to believe anyway. Mishima was homosexual. Frederick the Great was. Lord Kitchener. Probably Lawrence of Arabia. Ernst Rohm. Military prowess is not exactly incompatible with homosexuality.

>> No.20069074

>>20069063
>You are projecting modern morals onto the Greeks.
I'm not talking about modern morals. Homosexual degeneracy is rooted in physiology, not morals. This is the point of those passages here >>20068979

His point is that the Greeks were capable of bodily admiration in a way that modern men aren't, because modern men are physiologically degenerate, that degeneracy caused by Christian morality.

>> No.20069075

No. Nietzsche was not a pedophilie. He also wasn't a Marxist. Foucault is slave morality. He literally resented his own bougie upbringing and started whining about muh power

>> No.20069086

>>20069075
Haven't read foucault, only nietzsche

>> No.20069091

>>20069074
I don't see how you can get that out of those passages. He is not talking about disinterested admiration of bodies, but about the "erotische" relationship of men and youths in antiquity (Greek paiderastia), and the "erotic trance" that the philosopher is thrown into by the sight of those he is attracted to. He is talking about a sexual practice. This would be obvious to you if you had read the ancient Greek texts he is referring to.

>> No.20069102

>>20069075
Nietzsche was a pedo and Foucault no Marxist.
Seethe harder, sweatiepie

>> No.20069122

>>20069091
>He is talking about a sexual practice.
Yes, one that is free from moral corruption. "[...] with an innocence possible only for a Greek, not a 'Christian,' [...]" This has nothing to do with homosexual / pedophiliac degeneracy, which is physiological degeneracy. His point is that the Greeks were so physiologically advanced in comparison to modern European men that their sensibilities are alien to modern men, they are too strong for modern men, who, when attempting to emulate them, become homosexuals and pedophiles or self-flagellating cowards. For Nietzsche, modern European man was a physiological embarrassment.

>> No.20069137

>>20069122
The practice is "innocent" because the Greek hasn't been infested with a sense of guilt about sexuality by Christian morality. Also, I am not quite sure what you are trying to say. Are you saying that men and boys had sex in ancient Greece, but that -- physiologically, somehow -- it wasn't "homosexual" or "pedophilic"? At least in the senses of today

>> No.20069153

>>20067699
We had a good Foucault thread yesterday
But back to degenerate aids pedos I guess

>> No.20069238

>>20069137
>The practice is "innocent" because the Greek hasn't been infested with a sense of guilt about sexuality by Christian morality.
Yes, but Nietzsche's main arguments in Genealogy, Beyond Good and Evil, and Antichrist include that Christian morality is rooted in physiological degeneration.

>Are you saying that men and boys had sex in ancient Greece, but that -- physiologically, somehow -- it wasn't "homosexual" or "pedophilic"?
Yes (although the amount of actual sex that happened is overblown; it was mostly a visual admiration). Greek men were strong enough to admire and respect the physical forms of youth without it reducing their masculine traits. If you don't understand how, you are corrupted by Christian morals / physiologically degenerate yourself.

>> No.20069297

>>20069238
>although the amount of actual sex that happened is overblown; it was mostly a visual admiration
hmm, not if the discussion of 'gratification' in symposium and the jokes in aristophanes are any indication

>> No.20069360

>>20069297
They are only an indication of the loftier feelings that men are capable of when driven by passion. Civilized men enjoy writing, thinking, and making art as much as they enjoy doing, and in these things they indulge in some exaggeration.

>> No.20070781

Bamp

>> No.20070810

>>20068979
Classic mutt libs projecting their repressed puritanism, seeing male friendship and body admiration as something sexual

>> No.20070955

>>20070810
Being erotically interested in teenage boys is not chaste.