/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.20067176]

Eowyn vs the Witch-King edition

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[Anonymous No.20067184]

>>20067176
What happened

[Anonymous No.20067188]

>>20067176
Of course having the incompetent mods involved ends with the entire thing nuked.

[Anonymous No.20067192]

[Anonymous No.20067221]

Malazan setting is very cookie cutter IMO. The only reason it seems “deeper” than it is, is because Erickson rarely stops to expand upon anything. Once you read that books and realize what’s going it completely loses its luster. This is why Erikson’s post-Malazan books are nowhere near as well received as Malazan proper even though they are actually very similar in quality.

[Anonymous No.20067224]

>crash land on planet
>learn local language
>immediately try to fuck, causing huge political crisis for the tribe hosting you
So cool

[Anonymous No.20067231]

>>20067224
Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.20067241]

>>20067224
what is the point of living, if you don't coom
coomers ARE the basis of society

[Anonymous No.20067246]

>>20067231
sounds like an adventure all right

[Anonymous No.20067251]

>>20067241
Food and spices. How can you even compete with all the variations of taste in the senses there are?

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.20067420]

>>20067176
The Kaiju Preservation Society - John Scalzi
This was a SF portal fantasy and a metafantasy. By metafantasy I mean that this was meant to be an escapist fantasy for the author, characters, and the readers who wanted to escape the COVID-19 pandemic. It's utterly filled with three elements: cultural affiliation signifiers; pop culture references; and Scalzi's brand of humor. If you don't like all of those, you're already in for an uphill trek to enjoyment. The protagonist's catchphrase was, "I lift things", which he repeats often in various ways. I'm mostly indifferent, so that certainly didn't help at all. For me those weren't the problem though. What was, was that I just didn't find it interesting, engaging, fun, or enjoyable. Somehow a story about literal kaiju in an alternate Earth was made to be prosaic, banal, and insipid. I felt nothing at all for any of the characters, or really anything in the book. If it weren't for that it's relatively short I wouldn't have finished. The title is very accurate though and that was part of the problem. Maybe others would like it more, the current GR ratings would suggest that, but I don't know in terms of /sffg/. I think it would've worked better in a visual medium, whether that would be a movie, TV series, graphic novel, or whatever else. I'm not angry, just disappointed.
Rating: 2/5

[Anonymous No.20067429]

>>20067420
Forgot the to put the year (2022)

[Anonymous No.20067472]

>>20067420
Why would you expect something good from Scalzi baka

[Anonymous No.20067506]

>>20067472
Because sometimes I like what he does.

[Anonymous No.20067523]

did anon #1 ever finish soulship 1?
did anon #2 who ordered sabriel get it in the mail and begin reading?
did anon #3 who posted the radix review ever pick up the book? considering you don't even need to read the entire tetrad to 'get it', i'm bummed nobody has even touched book 2 which is about a man gaining super powers at the end of time in order to save a 1Xth-dimensional creature through sustenance of pig manure.

[Anonymous No.20067531]

>>20067523
>did anon #1 ever finish soulship 1?
no, I got trapped in elden ring for 150 hours straight now I'm back to my other hobby

[Anonymous No.20067553]

>>20067531
my friend who never played anything soulsian got trapped in elden ring

[Anonymous No.20067577]

Starting this tonight. Military Fantasy with Macy's made from the husks of dead golems. The setting is based on World War I and the protagonist is in the Czar's army.

[Anonymous No.20067589]

>>20067176

My problem with fantasy is the following:

1) dark/grimdark seems to dominate the genre. Characters, even when well developed, are generally selfish pieces of shit with no altruistic motivation, that you can't ever relate to. Gratuitous sex abounds, with lots of details of the acts: cunninglus, anal sex, stuffing objects in orifices, like reading hard porn. I don't want to read that crap, I just want to read a fantasy story. Oh, and need I add... lots and lots of mindless violence, heads being chopped off, people burned alive, torture, victims dropped in oubliettes, or stuffed in iron maidens. By the time you get done reading the book, IF you even finish the thing, you feel like you ran the Spanish Inquisition gauntlet. Fuck dark fantasy, and people who keep churning out this utter SHIT. Bring back Tolkien and High fantasy. Where did Robert Jordan go? Somebody pull his corpse out of the ground and prop it in front of a word processor.

2) Fantasy with military and war emphasis. Look, I get it. The evil wizard has amassed an army of Orcs and can only be defeated through a big war with military campaigns. But is that ALL the book needs to be about? How many times do we have to read about the coming of age hero going to military academy and becoming a great swordsman/dragon rider and saving the world from the evil? What happened to the fellowship adventure type fantasy? At least Tolkien could work that into Lord of Rings.

3) coming of age hero goes to academy and learns to become a great wizard. Fuck this worn out storyline, please just stop it.

4) Heavy promotion of crap books to the fantasy genre by shitty writers. This happens a lot and some of these trash books are regularly ranked next Tolkien. Fuck you Rothfuss.

[Anonymous No.20067639]

>>20067589
Cool story. How do I unsubscribe though?

[Anonymous No.20067665]

>>20067523
Not anon #2, but I read Sabriel recently and wanted to enjoy it, but couldn't. Its scope just seemed so small and immediate.

[Anonymous No.20067666]

>>20067176
What’s some good military sci fi?

[Anonymous No.20067670]

>>20067589
You've outlined what you don't like. What do you like? Examples?

[Anonymous No.20067672]

>>20067666
ender's game

[Anonymous No.20067675]

>>20067589
>2) Fantasy with military and war emphasis.

I want more of this

[Anonymous No.20067703]

>>20067675
I want Sharpe with wizards

[Anonymous No.20067772]

>>20067703
nevermind i just realized that what i want is just the illiad

[Anonymous No.20067778]

>Story starts with protagonist already being a soldier and a hero who's retired
Cringe desu. Farmboys are superior

[Anonymous No.20067780]

I want a book about a ship that sails around a fantasy sea fighting monsters and other ships and going on adventures on islands and I also really fucking hate pirates

[Anonymous No.20067786]

>>20067778
Depends if the farmboy is the special chosen one or just a normal farmboy.

[Anonymous No.20067797]

>>20067778
What about legitimately elderly protagonist?

[Anonymous No.20067798]

>>20067780
voyage of the dawn treader

[Anonymous No.20067799]

>>20067778
>old soldier comes back for one last job

[Anonymous No.20067803]

Poul Anderson is seriously my new favourite writer. I have no idea how he makes his dialogue and plots so enthralling. I’m reading one of his fix-up novels (The Star Fox) and it’s still so good.

[Anonymous No.20067804]

>>20067778
for me, it's Legend by Gemmell

[Anonymous No.20067821]

>>20067803
brb, paging Nintendo's lawyers.

[Anonymous No.20067831]

>>20067797
Only if they use magic to appear youthful.

[Anonymous No.20067848]

>Read Artorian's Archive
>Main character is an old retired soldier on his last legs
>All right
>His village is destroyed and some kids are kidnapped and he wants to rescue them
>Great
>After spending a decade cultivating first
why

[Anonymous No.20067856]

>>20067848
Ridiculous timeskips are just part and parcel of cultivation stories bro.

[Anonymous No.20067895]

Is there anywhere that has an in-depth summary of the first two books of the Book of the New Sun? I've read them twice over but it's been 5 years and I just want a refresher before finishing the second half.

[Anonymous No.20067909]

>>20067856
Rec me entry-level cultivation that won't make me vomit as an everyday fantasy reader.

[Anonymous No.20067922]

>>20067224
>>20067231
Yeah and it's awesome. Your point?

[Anonymous No.20067924]

>>20067909
>entry-level cultivation that won't make me vomit as an everyday fantasy reader
you're asking too much

[Anonymous No.20067927]

>>20067895
alzabo soup podcast
Tor.com has a read through/summary
Wikipedia?
general Google too

[Anonymous No.20067934]

>>20065499
It's celtic myth inspired insofar as there are fairies etc, and the culture is very Arthurian inspired, but you're not getting like, Darby O'Gill and the Little People level of celtic myth.

[Anonymous No.20067975]

History will see Tolkien as a major contributor to the downfall of fantasy genre

[Anonymous No.20068101]

>>20067975
name one fantasy novel

[Anonymous No.20068104]

>the aliens in the setting aren’t fuckable
What do you do? Drop it?

[Anonymous No.20068129]

>>20067909
Just read Journey to the West. The beginning is like a parody of bullshit cultivation. Most of the book is episodic, so you can read one part a week and have more chinkstuff than you can stomach.

[Anonymous No.20068134]

>>20068104
ngmi with that attitude, if there's a will there's a way

[Anonymous No.20068140]

>>20068104
Pray for psychic sex, as unlikely as it is.

[Anonymous No.20068168]

[Anonymous No.20068201]

ASOIAF is high fantasy

[Anonymous No.20068225]

>>20068201
sure why not?

[Anonymous No.20068236]

Is Kellhus the greatest refutation of nietzschean concept of ubermensch?

[Anonymous No.20068298]

>>20068236
He is even above that, no morals, no laws, no philosophies surpass the way to the Absolute. If he ever acts like a nietzschean ubermensch it was by pure coinsidence that it was at that time the shortest path.

[Anonymous No.20068339]

>>20068236
No he is beyond language

[Anonymous No.20068382]

this is pretty good why does everyone hate on the later books so much

[Anonymous No.20068393]

>>20067803
I enjoyed The Van Rijn Method quite a lot and should read the sequels. You def should read it

[Anonymous No.20068481]

I finished Hyperion #1 today. Does the story get a more satisfying ending in the other books?
I wrote a goodreads review but, to vent a bit more, I really fucking hated how it ended. Spoilers, but the whole 'actually it's blade runner' penultimate chapter really irritated me. The fact that the Templar's death is never actually explained irritates me too. I feel like it's ending was really unsatisfactory, ended up with a lot of exposition, and just a 'read the next one to find out!' bullshit copout. The Consul's reveal chapter is then ruined by this. I'm gunna reread the last chapter later today just to make sure I'm not retarded, but I wanted to see if I was alone in feeling like this.
That being said, if anyone is planning on reading Hyperion #1, I'd strongly recommend it. It's really well crafted non-expositional storytelling, which is why I'm so angry that the ending ruined it.

[Anonymous No.20068491]

>>20068481
I like it when books go against what the reader wants. Read number 2, it basically gets right into it, number 1 was just banter on the trip to what happens in number 2 as far as I remember although it has been a few years. That's another book I need to add to my re-read list

[Anonymous No.20068495]

>>20068491
Yeah this is what a friend told me. It's a lovely read which is why I'm so irritated that the ending feels underwhelming. I am tempted to get #2, I just feel it's a bit cheap to not finish a story in one book. Maybe I'm just lazy.

[Anonymous No.20068499]

Hey /sffg/, I found my father's collection of fantasy novels in the garage (pic is just a sample). I've never read any fantasy other than Harry Potter as a kid so I know very little about the genre or these authors. I skimmed the reading charts, didn't see much other than "GRR Martin is fun and Robert Jordan a shit".

So a few questions:
1. Which of these authors are most worth reading?
2. Do these books generally work fine as stand-alones or is it expected that you read all 10+ books in a series?
3. Does my dad have shit taste?

[Anonymous No.20068500]

>>17140346
This was brought up in a small VN group I'm in. Any suggestions for similar titles? Personally, I prefer more off-the-rails stuff.

[Anonymous No.20068508]

>>20068495
Also your friend was probably afraid to say it, but the second isn't as good

[Anonymous No.20068510]

>>20068499
read the one with the best cover

[Anonymous No.20068515]

>>20068481
Kek that reminds me, I don't drink but I thought Silenus was cool so I drank a bottle of Merlot after reading it

[Anonymous No.20068516]

>>20068499
read malazan
don't touch the rest
your dad has milquetoast taste

[Anonymous No.20068537]

>>20068499
A song of ice and fire is the only good series there, but it will never be completed.

[Anonymous No.20068552]

>>20068515
very based, martin silenus was definitely the best character lol

[Anonymous No.20068568]

>>20068201
It's a rather arbitrary distinction anyway.

[Anonymous No.20068628]

>>20067666
Starship Troopers
Forever War
Armor
Hyperion
these are all classics of the genre, not that I've read them (I checked out the first chapters and decided to read something else right now)

[Anonymous No.20068650]

>>20068499
Of those Ice and Fire is my favourite by an enormous margin, the others I've read are the first two Wheel of Time novels and the first five Sword of Truth novels.
Wheel of Time is or at least was the standard for high fantasy series with a ton of fuckhuge books.
Sword of Truth is, uh...a strange one. I can't exactly recommend it, I can't say it's good. Terry Goodkind was his own man let's put it that way (RIP).
I know little about about Malazan and less about Raymond E. Feist though I recognize his name.
The Drizzt novels were popular because they're in the Dungeons and Dragons universe. Drizzt is a dual-wielding dark elf super badass, with a heart of gold or some shit. He was popular enough to be in the Baldur's Gate video game.

[Anonymous No.20068651]

>>20068499
I liked the Drizzt books. There are a lot more in the canon, but those three are the best, imo. You could also just read the first and ignore the rest, works just as well.

[Anonymous No.20068669]

>>20068499
I can only vouch for A Dance with Dragons and Gardens of the Moon as I know these books and they are first of their series.

Knife of Dreams is not first book of its series
You should NOT read Terry Goodkind
I dont know about the Forgotten Realms book but I cant be good.

[Anonymous No.20068863]

Where did Bakkerchads go? Bakkerchads, I summon you here!

[Anonymous No.20068916]

>>20068669
Dance with Dragons is book 5 my ser

[Anonymous No.20068921]

>>20068916
you are right my good ser, its better not to read that shit either

[Anonymous No.20068989]

>>20068495
Don't read the second. Part of the greatness of the first is that it is underspecified, giving it room breathe in the atmosphere of suffering. You think you want it explained but you really don't. If you feel like the ending crapped on the rest of the book the sequels do that doubly.

[Anonymous No.20069025]

>>20068393
Thanks, I'll have a look.

[Anonymous No.20069434]

>>20068298
Is it ever NOT the shortest path?

[Anonymous No.20069584]

Anyone have that image of fang yuan choking a bitch, and then molests her?

[Anonymous No.20069758]

>>20068481
I really enjoyed Hyperion, but bounced off Fall of Hyperion never finished. It seemed like a far weaker book. So, basically don't expect a satisfying ending.

It's not about the destination. It's about the journey. I was satisfied enough with the feeling that all 6 characters were simply marching to their deaths.

[Anonymous No.20069903]

i trekked to an abandoned copper mine, it was really awesome, it's a mine they found and restarted in the early 1900s but they found evidence of it being started by neolithic people 4500 years ago

books that feature mines? i think a scifi/fantasy story about some guy who works at a mine or something, where mining and geology concepts take a part in the story. but if you know any other where the setting is a mine or underground i would appreciate it as well

[Anonymous No.20070185]

>>20068129
I already jerked off to the doujin

[Anonymous No.20070235]

https://www.goodreads.com/series/333948-decimus-fate
anyone tried these books yet? I quite enjoy battle mage

[Anonymous No.20070249]

>>20070235
whoa when did battle mage get a second book

[Anonymous No.20070325]

Any love for Le Guin's Earthsea? I finished the original trilogy and enjoyed it a ton, the magic is truly mysterious, the writing is obviously beautiful and the world and its history is so evocative. I do believe the Farthest Shore was a bit of a rethread particularly with the theme of acceptance of death however the book was better written than the first one and better explained the concepts of opposite as compliments, so it doesn't fee unnecesary.

[Anonymous No.20070405]

It sucks when you start reading a book and you're enjoying it, but you can tell almost right away it's way too long. Currently reading a book like that. It's over 400 pages; which isn't THAT long compared to the chinese phonebooks that get published these days, but since it's a horror novel I can already tell (despite being only a couple of chapters in) that it should have been around 300 pages instead. I'm already starting to skim over entire paragraphs that TRY to add depth to what's occurring at any given moment, but ultimately end up being mostly superfluous.

[Anonymous No.20070407]

>>20070325
I read one of them as a kid and I remember enjoying it. I'm thinking of revisiting them as an adult. I haven't read enough le Guin.

[Anonymous No.20070472]

>>20070325
No, I don't read women authors.

[Anonymous No.20070524]

>>20070472
We gotta king over here.

[Anonymous No.20070541]

Is there fantasy about a god/being of higher existence coming down to troll mortals?

[Anonymous No.20070563]

any good books about cavemen?

[Anonymous No.20070622]

>>20070541
Odin larped as gandalf for fun and other gods including Loki made fun of him for it.

[Anonymous No.20070667]

People supposedly get annoyed with erotica in their genre fic, but I've never had this happen. What's an example of sex you found too obtrusive in an otherwise decent book?

[Anonymous No.20070689]

>>20070667
Any and all homo sex.

[Anonymous No.20070702]

>>20070689
WEEPER

[Anonymous No.20070711]

People are raving about Dune but I think pic rel is a much better book by Frank Herbert. Just finished reading it and it was one of the most gripping books I've read in a long while. Maybe it's because I like submarines, idk, but the mix of suspense, psychology and religion was fantastic. It's labelled as Science-Fiction, but it nowadays it feels more contempary, despite being set in a somewhat alternative world.
Can recommend

[Anonymous No.20070730]

>>20070541
R Scott Bakker - The Darkness The Comes Before (Second Apocalypse cycle; Prince of Nothing trilogy book #1)

[Anonymous No.20070742]

>>20067176
Why has the litrpg genre survived when it has not produced not even one good book?

[Anonymous No.20070757]

Daily reminder that WILL WIGHT is the greatest fantasy author of our generation! Check him out!

[Anonymous No.20070758]

>>20067922
My point is Jack Vance is cool and his protagonists rock

[Anonymous No.20070763]

>>20070742
Might as well ask the same about isekai. Neither are meant to be good, only to make the reader feel good. These escapist fantasies will only continue to grow in popularity as the world continues to go to shit around us.

[Anonymous No.20070788]

>>20070763
Isekai has produced a few decent novels, a lot of them are very enjoyable. LitRPG has literally not once produced something that isn’t retarded not fucking once, every recommendation you give me will be boring as hell.

[Anonymous No.20070804]

>>20070667
Problem is love or erotic relationships that affect plot, and very often is actually the driving force behind it, when plot moves because of sex then the story instantly becomes shit.
If sex is casual and not plot related then it becomes padding and also character development suffers because of it.
In other words sex and erotic relationships should not be used or used in very rare and exceptional cases. Most authors should just stay away from it, unfortunately most authors are coomers and even their initial story outlines mainly depend on (main) character having sex and plot being driven because of erotic/sexual/love relationships. This obviously applies to progressives but also more traditional sff authors.

[Anonymous No.20070807]

>>20067589
1) Understandable. Grimdark in and of itself is a cringeworthy term, and almost everything that falls within its subgenre comes across as either trying too hard or aiming for simple shock value.

2) No, I get it. The war setting allows for a balanced combination of action and adventure.

3) Never read a book like this other than Harry Potter. Didn't realize it was a trope outside of Japanese cartoons.

4) Let me guess, you're talking about Brando Sando? Can't judge too much because I've never read any of his books deeply enough to form an opinion, but from what I've read, his prose is just serviceable and most of his stories, despite having different world, all default back to knights with swords and shit in the end.

[Anonymous No.20070857]

Books with healers or white mage protagonists?

[Anonymous No.20070946]

>>20070407
You should, she got better after the first book and is that kind of author that like Tolkien mixes great storytelling, terrific prose and thoughtfull worldbuilding but with Daoist influences instead of Catholicism. It has a great sea adventure feeling too with the whole archipielago setting.

>>20070541
Small Gods by Pratchett, the god didn't come down to troll but ends up pretty much that all book long.

[Anonymous No.20070976]

>>20067221
Malazan is the biggest pile of filth I have ever read. It is one of my biggest regrets in the past few years. The only good book is the first one. Wish I had stopped there. I’ve been sitting on the last 200 pages of The Crippled God for several months now but I just can’t get myself to read even another page of this scum.

[Anonymous No.20070993]

>>20070325
I don’t read books written by women. I also absolutely hate how she is constantly mentioned together with Gene Wolfe.

[Anonymous No.20070996]

>>20067589
That's ok, that just means you dislike tropey shit fantasy, I feel you. In every genre the majority of books will be crap. Just gotta look to the classics to read the genre in it's perfected form and also fantasists that are working new ground and using interesting themes, by the nature of fantasy you will often find them mixing a bit of magical realism or horror/weird lit. I reccomend checking out: Tolkien, Le Guin, Gene Wolfe, John Crowley, Hope Mirrlees, Lord Dunsany, Terry Pratchett, China Mieville, Jeff Vandermeer (Ambergris), Susanna Clarke.

[Anonymous No.20071035]

I've read the first 4 books of the Malazan Book of the fallen in like 2 weeks, I finished the fourth an hour ago and already started the fifth, I've been either working or reading non stop, I need help I haven't slept in 16 days and there is like 6 more of them

[Anonymous No.20071075]

>>20071035
fuck sleep my nigga
read a book or two or eight

[Anonymous No.20071093]

>>20070667
The Ringworld series and Larry Niven in general.
A quarter of his books are everyone fucking everyone else I swear.

[Anonymous No.20071096]

>>20070667
I don't think I've read a single genre fiction book with sex in it that wasn't blatantly about the sex. And the sex in those is still pretty garbage, because it's a completely different narrative style to everything else.

[Anonymous No.20071102]

>>20071093
Ringworld is best left as a standalone novel.

[Anonymous No.20071154]

>>20070667
It's say the Farseer trilogy by Robin Hobb, you have an entire chapter dedicated to the hero watching his father fuck his wife and loving it and then it becomes a central point of the story until almost the end.
But those books are trash.

[Anonymous No.20071192]

The world may not be ready for Christian xianxia. I'm not ready to write it.

[Anonymous No.20071241]

What do you think about the protag literally being an animal or a lower life form, and through manipulation of the in-world mechanics and magic system, eventually becomes human, super human, beyond super human, demigod, beyond demigod, god, creator of all reality, beyond creator of all reality?
This is my lifelong project, I'm already some 60k+ words in

For some reason I never liked a story where the main character is already good at something. I've always liked stuff where there's legitimate struggle and a learning curve, from a nobody to becoming an elite through skill, intellect, sure luck as well, change encounters, and an absolutely massive scale story (that is character focused, not a massive scale story where we're focused on nations and societies).
Where else can I find something like this? All massive scale fantasy stories focuses too much on entire areas, countries and kingdoms. Think ASOIAF, with no -clear- main character. I realize the execution relies entirely on how likeable the main character is.

[Anonymous No.20071251]

>>20071241
You got the wrong general, here you go >>20068637

[Anonymous No.20071267]

>>20069584
>Argh that Fang Yuan, he is looking for trouble? But, hehehe, he doesn't know that I am secretly backed by Fei Hua Jin's eldest concubine and my background is significant, otherwise I couldn't have had the guts to walk up to him.

For some reason I fucking love dialogue in these chinese novels, it's so strange, some of the best novels I've ever read were translated books into english. Must be something about the difference of culture, but American authors surely are fucking sterile.

[Anonymous No.20071328]

>>20071267
MUH FAMILY
MUH POWER
MUH GENDER
The chinese are cockroaches that need to be pepper sprayed off this earth.

[Anonymous No.20071341]

>>20071267
You have a fetish for badly written prose and mindbroke yourself into thinking this was the best.

[Anonymous No.20071358]

>>20071241
cradle

[Anonymous No.20071370]

>>20069584
That was hardly a molestation.

>>20071267
I don't speak chinese but I have heard the sentence structure is very much like english (like the placement of verbs, nouns, adjectives has similar rules), thats why chinese to english mtl is very exact and close to source, is this

[Anonymous No.20071372]

>>20071154
wut? Can't remember that part

[Anonymous No.20071378]

>>20071370
*is this true?

[Anonymous No.20071379]

Is this pic accurate?

[Anonymous No.20071390]

>>20071379
meds

[Anonymous No.20071398]

>>20071390
For whom? Me, you or the anon that made the pic?

[Anonymous No.20071404]

The introduction to Sheeana in Heretics of Dune is like the end of every children's horror movie, just going "I'M NOT AFRAID OF YOU ANYMORE" and the mondters fuck off

[Anonymous No.20071424]

>>20071372
His father and wife think he's dead so they fuck regularly, every single time they fuck he's watching with his farseer spirit eye thing.
It's been a decade or so since I read those book and since then it has haunted me.
I also now refuse to read fantasy books written by women.

[Anonymous No.20071496]

>>20071379
Remember that pure innocent time when people used this format for humor by putting a single juxtaposed picture into each category instead of a fucking collage informercial?

[Anonymous No.20071505]

>>20071496
wegs used to have soul now it's words words words like reddit memes

[Anonymous No.20071559]

>>20071398
both

[Anonymous No.20071588]

>>20070667
The Golden. Even though vampire books are always about sex, there's some seriously awkward, unecessary shit in that book. Also Heinlein.

>>20071096
Gaiman

[Anonymous No.20071591]

>>20071192
I don't get this comic, and I consider myself non-retarded.

[Anonymous No.20071668]

>>20071424
lel, fantasy novels always bring out the author's fetishes

[Anonymous No.20071675]

>>20070742
Some people read for story, not whatever emo thing you're looking for in a book.

[Anonymous No.20071686]

>>20071424
>While traveling with her husband, Claire gets transported back in time
>Guys keep tryna rape her
>She marries a young rogue
>Guys still keep tryna rape her
>Her second husband gets captured and raped
>She goes back to the present and her husband has to raise his wife's daughter as his own
>He cheats on her
>Her second husband also cheats on her while in the past
And that's just like the first two books of Outlander.

[Anonymous No.20071710]

>>20071686
I think it's very important to note that the second husband is raped by the ancestor of her first husband, who looks exactly like him

[Anonymous No.20071724]

>>20067577
Just finished this weekend. I enjoyed it.

[Anonymous No.20071739]

>>20067577
sounds neat

[Anonymous No.20071751]

>>20071591
There's nothing really to get. It can only say its name, like a Pokemon, thus everything said to it is just the guy talking to himself.

[Anonymous No.20071773]

>>20067224
>emblem men were just a plot device to get him some immediate street cred in this alien society
i kind of lost interest at that point but I just really wanted more cugel and wasn't finding it there.

[Anonymous No.20071812]

>>20070993
She called him "Our (genre fiction readers) Mellvile" and is a consummate writer in her own right so it only makes sense they are mentioned together

[Anonymous No.20071828]

>>20069903
seconding this

>>20070993
they were friends anon

>>20071035
what are your thoughts so far? i've been thinking about trying out the first book

[Anonymous No.20071853]

>>20071812
What kind of sex is in Earthsea? Is it rape, or if she more of a cuckoldry gal?

[Anonymous No.20071859]

>cuckolding
No, no, no!
>cuckqueaning
Yes, yes, yes!

[Anonymous No.20071884]

>>20067176
Did the pulps from the "golden age" of sci-fi age well?

[Anonymous No.20071906]

>>20071853
The original trilogy is about why men shouldn't give a shit what women think or expect women to do anything for them, so there is no sex even though Ged has bitches dripping on the floor. The extended books are pretty degenerate, but not in a fun way.

[Anonymous No.20071984]

>>20071884
There's quite a few of those guys, I'd be surprised if there were a lot of anons who could weigh in authoritatively on the golden age as a whole.
Someone was just saying in the last thread that Poul Anderson is good.
I've read a couple of van Vogt novels and they feel dated, which isn't all bad, that's what I showed up for. They have a dreamlike quality which I find appealing. The plots have twists and turns, and there's a lot of action.
On the negative side, they aren't deep, like if you go from one of those to a literary novel it feels a lot more juvenile. Maybe that's not a revelation when talking a bout scifi/fantasy.
And specifically for The World of Null-A, it was frustrating how the main character gets jerked around the whole time (the alternative title is Pawns of Null-A).

I also saved this post from an anon:
>Samuel delaney philip k dick. Ra lafferty cordwainer smith AKA CIA psychological warfare officer paul linerbarger, its not a good writers or bad ones but of an inherent interest that transcends that dichotomy. Golden or silver age scifi is to the senescent american empire what mayakovsky and the avant gardes of the 20s were to high stalinism or the khruschev years. One can only make sense of present day american culture by getting inside the mind of a robert heinlein a us navy officer gung ho militarist libertarian poly free love advocate good friend to l ron hubbard. Asimov and much of the star trek writers were eastern european jewish immigrants more idealistic than the natives about science and liberal ideals . but then there is this weird margin of sexual deviants spooks, acid casualties the people who for better of worse created the modern world. Japanese otaku are also a calque of golden age sci fi fandom

[Anonymous No.20072121]

>>20071884
>the so called "golden" age of sci-fi was a lot less popular than the previous pulp age of sci-fi
The ironing.

[Anonymous No.20072124]

>>20070993
She wrote the worst short story of all time that really summed up leftist beliefs quite well.
>"Oh there's a utopia, but it's being powered by the literal suffering of a child? Well then I guess I won't stay here anymore; definitely not going to help the child though"

[Anonymous No.20072134]

>>20067553
Same, they though they did play but not finish Sekiro, which is Soulsianesque.

[Anonymous No.20072138]

>>20067589
>Fantasy with military and war emphasis.
Nah fuck you. There isn't enough actually good war fantasy written by people who understand military theory. There's plenty of horseshit by hacks like Joe Abercrombie though who read a wikipedia article about warfare once and knows some terms, but not necessarily what they mean.

[Anonymous No.20072149]

>>20071496
The WEG format was corrupted very early on, there were people making these unfunny mega collages pretty much as soon as the format hit /v/.

[Anonymous No.20072199]

>character has to enter an attic
>by the time he pulls the attic ladder down to actually entering the attic you'll have read SIX paragraphs
I understand fleshing things out, but Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.20072202]

>>20068499
>1. Which of these authors are most worth reading?
That depends on how much reading you're willing to do. I've enjoyed GRRM, Jordan, Erickson, and Feist enough to recommend them, but there's also reasons I'd caution somebody about picking them up.
>2. Do these books generally work fine as stand-alones or is it expected that you read all 10+ books in a series?
They are not self contained. Feist's books though tend to be in smaller self-contained cycles that share the same setting. So while Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time is 14 books long and you have to read all of them in order to understand the story, Feist's collection of like 20+ books can be broken down into 2, 3, and 4 book series that can be read in isolation. There is a chronology to them, but you can pick up any individual series and understand what's going on in it without having read anything else.
>3. Does my dad have shit taste?
If he does then I do as well, since I have books by all those exact same authors. I only have one book by Terry Goodkind though, and I never finished it, and I've only read the first couple novels of Drizzt and have no real will to continue.

[Anonymous No.20072211]

>>20071984
van Vogt's juvenile feel isn't driven by its lack of depth but by its true juvenile sentiment - he was an OG vengeful nerd. Thinking of Slan in particular. It was more interesting years ago, seems more ominous as those people continue to ascend in the present era.

>>20071884
The vast majority of pulp of any age was horrible at the time and most of the rest aged poorly. I've gone back and read pulps to see if the historical filter missed anything, but I've yet to find a hidden gem. Though that doesn't mean I didn't like any of it.

Each new pulp era comes about when there is a seismic shift in the number of monkeys you can put in front of a typewriter either due to lowered distribution costs or increased ability to compensate. Just based on higher population plus a ratio of ~0 cost vs something comp our new pulp era is probably producing the largest number of readable works. Probably a good time to be a gatekeeper.

[Anonymous No.20072219]

>>20067799
my favorite trope

[Anonymous No.20072221]

>>20072199
Was it 6 paragraphs of describing his ascent into the attic or was it 6 paragraphs of him thinking about stuff / unrelated exposition? Cause that's something a lot of authors do while having their character moving somewhere uneventfully.

[Anonymous No.20072230]

>>20072221
>6 paragraphs of him thinking about stuff / unrelated exposition
It was this and I've read plenty of books where authors do this because it's kinda the norm, but in THIS book specifically it's becoming insufferable.

[Anonymous No.20072235]

>>20068499
The thing you'll bump into with each of those is capitalist fantasy, where sales not story is what creates a sequel. This can be good (like Sherlock Holmes) or most likely bad. You just have to be prepared for the author to run out of steam before the fans do, and not get resentful about it. Take what's on offer and hit the eject button as needed.

[Anonymous No.20072246]

>>20071379

[Anonymous No.20072258]

>>20072230
Well that's just so typical I'd find it hard to get angry over. 6 paragraphs detailing climbing a ladder would a new kind of hell to experience.

[Anonymous No.20072284]

>>20072258
>Well that's just so typical I'd find it hard to get angry over.
Just because it's typical doesn't mean it's being executed in a typical manner because it is not. This is one of those novels that could have used a lot of trimming from a skilled editor to tighten things up and help it flow better. But it's a mystery horror novel so now I'm basically trapped into finishing because I have to know why all the weirdo shit is happening; I've started skimming through entire pages and I don't feel the least bit guilty about doing that because there's sooooo much extraneous text.

[Anonymous No.20072353]

>>20067589
I'd like dark fantasy a lot more if it didn't feel like I was reading someone's weird porno. The Black Company is probably the only dark fantasy novel series I like.
Also military fantasy would be pretty nice actually.

[Anonymous No.20072379]

Doesn't it bother you guys that so many great works of science-fiction and fantasy get put to the side as mere genre fiction no matter what philosophical or political or religious themes they touch on? It's not like they're read solely for escapism.

[Anonymous No.20072383]

>>20072379
No, I read literary fiction for escapism too.

[Anonymous No.20072386]

>>20072383
lmao based

[Anonymous No.20072428]

>>20072379
No, I grew out of desperately craving validation for my hobbies like 15 years ago. I don't see anything "mere" about genre fiction just because it's snubbed by literary scholars. If you knew more about what literary scholars actually did you wouldn't crave their approval either. Just learning to not be insecure about what you do for fun would be a good start though.

[Anonymous No.20072439]

>>20072428
Yeah you're probably right. By the way, what do literary scholars actually do?

[Anonymous No.20072456]

Guys, I'm thinking of boycotting Orbit Books, the UKs biggest fantasy fiction publisher. Was looking at their current stable of authors and one of them is a white male! What the actual fuck.

[Anonymous No.20072460]

>>20070758
Then you are 100% correct. I thought the initial post was sarcasm.

Also one of my favourite parts of Tschai is the feminist cult satire.

[Anonymous No.20072466]

>>20072456
That dude drinks cum, 100%

[Anonymous No.20072515]

>>20072456
Can guarantee the one white male is either gay or they wrote a book more pozzed than any of the other authors in that picture.

[Anonymous No.20072542]

>>20072439
Not gonna get into the weeds but basically their whole job is about arguing for the sake of arguing, and your worth as a scholar ultimately comes down to how many times your arguments get cited by other scholars in their arguments. It's easier to argue about stuff that is more ambiguous and that already has an existing body of scholarship around it, so you have ideas to riff on, cite, and argue against. If you're clever you already notice a really big problem with this, and why literary criticism winds up confined to a relatively small selection of books, and continually up its own ass.

[Anonymous No.20072552]

>>20072456
You don't wanna know what that white dude had to write to get accepted into that clique.

[Anonymous No.20072578]

>>20072456
Here's their market

[Anonymous No.20072581]

>>20072542
I used to be in a PhD for Literature and it’s exactly what you’re describing. Most of them don’t even care about their field, they’re just narcissists who love the sound of their own voices.

[Anonymous No.20072638]

For me it's fantasy that has shit like pic related.

[Anonymous No.20072639]

>>20072638
absolutely based

[Anonymous No.20072645]

Requesting litrpg series that are complete.

I'm finding I enjoy the genre but hate getting installments once every few months to few years. I just want to binge.

[Anonymous No.20072649]

>>20072515
>>20072552
seems normal actually

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/58293284-the-justice-of-kings
his book doesnt sound too bad
there are women giving out about sexism in the reviews, I might give it a try

[Anonymous No.20072667]

>>20072581
Yeah I majored in lit back in college, started a masters in it, but got fed up with it. I wasn't bad at it, but it made me hate writing and reading and those were the only two things I was ever any good at or had fun doing. Seeing how the sausage gets made really removes the mystique around "literary" fiction for me. This is setting aside how literary fiction anymore is akin to watching peacocks strutting around in a walled garden trying to attract the most attention.

[Anonymous No.20072669]

>>20070667

There was this sci fi series I started to read but then all of a sudden gay furry porn. Like god, the story was decent but I don't want to read that shit. Would have been one thing if it had lead up to it in a natural way but no it's like all of a sudden the mc is guzzling buckets of alien cat cum and gargling balls for no reason.

[Anonymous No.20072674]

>>20072649
>there are women giving out about sexism in the reviews
They do this for everything though.

[Anonymous No.20072704]

>>20072649
His is probably the book that will make them money and the rest of the authors are there for diversity points

[Anonymous No.20072717]

>>20072645
I've only read stuff that straddles the line, like Street Cultivation. It's all right.

[Anonymous No.20072722]

>>20072649
Here's what I wrote about it:
>>/lit/thread/S19990801#p19990812

[Anonymous No.20072731]

>>20070667
Can't say I've read many fantasy or sci-fi series that are actually erotic. Most avoid anything explicit when it comes to sex. GRRM is a notable exception, but he's more vulgar than erotic, I think. At least I personally don't get very aroused reading his sexual content. Could just boil down to taste though.

[Anonymous No.20072734]

>>20072717
>Rick has attempted to separate himself from the world of cutthroat killers, but is drawn in by a chance to participate in a contest at the highest levels. The resulting trials will take him across the world against many different opponents, but he knows that his sponsors ultimately just want to use him for their own profit. In the end, he'll need to decide what it is that he really wants...


Please god just kill me now. This is the absolute worst plot imaginable. How the fuck can you read this shit? I swear I could train an AI to pump this shit out by the gallon.

[Anonymous No.20072742]

>>20072649
>there are women giving out about sexism in the reviews
Always a nice thing to see, but in this case smoke doesn't always mean there's fire. You can get labeled a sexist just for sitting on the train the wrong way, these days.

[Anonymous No.20072852]

>>20068552
At the time (and maybe now) I was pretty depressed and for some reason I resonated with him. No spoilers but in the second book he has the coolest line

[Anonymous No.20072856]

>>20067672
unironically good

[Anonymous No.20072905]

>>20068201
GRRM being high off his ass while writing doesn't make it high fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20072911]

>>20072704
kek just like Brandon Sanderson. His jewstarter is up to almost 30 million by the way. Nigga was only asking for 1 million.

[Anonymous No.20072926]

>>20072379
I feel almost the opposite. Literary fiction that doesn't make a point in a new or interesting way, which is 99% of it, has no redeeming value at all. At least with genre fiction there's always the baseline interest of seeing the author shape a new world.

[Anonymous No.20072934]

>>20072911
>Brando Sando makes 30+ million
>Will Wight makes 500k
Cradle bros this can't be happening

[Anonymous No.20072953]

>>20070976
Why? What happened? Did the prose go to shit?

t. been planning on reading it

[Anonymous No.20072959]

>>20072934
Brando Sando IS fantasy now. The entire US fantasy marketshare is something like $600 million total.

[Anonymous No.20072961]

>>20067589
>Where did Robert Jordan go?
Should we tell this anon?

[Anonymous No.20072970]

I don't like reading tyrion chapters all that much
I thought i'd like him the most but surprisingly I don't

[Anonymous No.20073031]

>>20072717
Street Cultivation is about quite possibly the least proactive protagonist possible. Rick is so fucking nothing it's astounding.

[Anonymous No.20073080]

>>20072456
I just got the last two parts of The Aspect Emperor and they have been published by Orbit. Some of the ugliest covers I have ever seen. They don’t fit at all with the previous parts published by Overlook (which looked and felt amazing) and are also too large. And to top it off shitty Amazon delivered them in bad condition (as usual). Don’t know if I want to send them back or just forget about it and keep them.

[Anonymous No.20073123]

>>20073031
It's written by a w*man so the main character mostly waits for things to happen to him, and the system makes little sense. I didn't say it was good, I said it was all right.

[Anonymous No.20073128]

>>20072638
Can you give examples?

[Anonymous No.20073222]

>>20072638
Anasurimbor Kellhus riding through the outskirts of Hell to parlay with Ajokli, Year-of-the-Tusk 4121, colorised

[Anonymous No.20073263]

>>20071370
>That was hardly a molestation
Know what chapter it was from?

[Anonymous No.20073526]

60s sci fi is good because everyone is smoking from pipes or cigars

[Anonymous No.20073769]

>>20073526
Hell yeah goy, spend your money to kill yourself through substance abuse :)

[Anonymous No.20073786]

>>20073769
>Keeping yourself alive to pay more taxes into zog
Who is the goy?

[Anonymous No.20073800]

>>20073786
You for espousing smoking.

[Anonymous No.20073813]

>>20073800
Smoking is cool, anon. You should chill.

[Anonymous No.20073819]

>>20073813
>dude nicotine lmao
You need to be 18+ to browse 4chan.

[Anonymous No.20073826]

>>20073819
Have sex.

[Anonymous No.20073830]

>>20073826
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.20073934]

>>20067221
I wouldn't say the main draw is the "uniqueness" of Malazan but how it's written. It does a great job of feeling like there's a world with tangible history. There's also some pretty fun characters/ideas

It's not a surprise it isn't that unique though. They based it on DnD no?

>>20068499
Read Malazan, ASOIF is alright if you don't mind the fact that the series will never be finished.

[Anonymous No.20074061]

[Anonymous No.20074319]

>>20074061
What’s this?

[Anonymous No.20074364]

>>20067176
This is the funniest GRRM interview.
https://youtu.be/atD4bMySVs0

[Anonymous No.20074375]

>>20073934
>They based it on DnD no?
First it was D&D, but the author's wanton autism couldn't be contained, so they moved on to GURPS. That should be enough of a warning sign for everyone to stay away from the books.

[Anonymous No.20074553]

>>20073934
>It does a great job of feeling like there's a world with tangible history.
>The god who created the magic system is somehow younger than the cavemen and sickledinos that use it

[Anonymous No.20074631]

>>20074319
SciFi story on RoyalRoad. The name is in the filename. It isn't as good as that excerpt may make it seem.

[Anonymous No.20074648]

>>20074631
It's a mildly interesting premise (what little of it I can glean) but it's not exactly that good-seeming as-is.

[Anonymous No.20074670]

>>20074648
I understand.

[Anonymous No.20074692]

I'm reading volume 3 of The Farseer Trilogy right now, and I just can't take it anymore. Mc is constantly being humiliated, constantly being used by everyone, even his "friends". And what's more, I'm sure that in the finale it will turn out that Molly and Burrich will get married and leave the cuckold with nothing. Is all women's fantasy like that?

[Anonymous No.20074705]

>>20074692
>I've been reading <book at least two(?) anons told me not to read>
>bad things happen
>what de fugggggggg

[Anonymous No.20074721]

when does this get good?
granted, I am only in book two but so far there is almost none of the hyped up overpowered fantasy. From the looks of it the second book will follow the first one's structure in being about 500 pages of nothing with a letdown wet fart of a climax. Also all the names sound completely random, people, places, whatever. The world has no feel to it.
I don't buy the "intentionally confusing" cop out because all the hidden "lore" or whatever that is being alluded to is just random gobbledegook.
Am I just getting filtered?

[Anonymous No.20074729]

>>20074721
On the second read, like all great books.

[Anonymous No.20074736]

>>20074692
women do be like that. i'm not sure why

[Anonymous No.20074737]

>>20074729
so you are telling me I need to read 20 books to a get a bit of a dopamine tingle?
No thanks!

[Anonymous No.20074744]

>>20074721
Tavore is literally
LITERALLY
that shitty
>we have to move the plot along!
>refuses to elaborate
maymay.

[Anonymous No.20074750]

Where is magick academy anon?
r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/tfm3rz/the_enchanter_a_brand_new_progression_fantasy/

[Anonymous No.20074762]

>>20074750
thanks
will keep an eye on it
am currently reading mage errant

[Anonymous No.20074770]

Worth reading?

[Anonymous No.20074774]

>>20074750
>At Yesgol, he studies the arts of enchanting and divination, but all is not as it seems. As Evan pushes forwards his skills as a mage to catch up with his peers, he finds himself entangled with a secret society for the reformation of magic, deals with the occasional extraplanar horror appearing in the shadows of the school, and catches the eye of a charming young noble who's been excommunicated from his family.
Hmm...

>pic related
Knew it

[Anonymous No.20074780]

>>20074750
Magic academy stuff can be neat but damn do the blurbs all feel generic. I'm sure the execution isn't the same as other contemporary ones but damn are they all "random shmuck kid gets to magic school despite never thinking he would"? I suppose Mage Errant starts off with the school and doesn't dwell much on Hugh's backstory, and Arcane Ascension he's actually a really well-off noble, but it feels like every magic academy protagonist is always just "outcast kid".

[Anonymous No.20074800]

>>20073526
>>20073769
Yeah but he's unironically right though. The smoking in old sci-fi is hilarious because we can fly through space or we've developed telepathy or whatever the case may be, but we still smoke. It's great. Also, they probably smoke while looking over physical documents or listening to an analogue recording of some sort, in space, and there's probably a bunch of space drugs to solve all sorts of problems. It's the best.

[Anonymous No.20074803]

>>20074770
One of the main female POVs involves her wanting to lose her virginity to the not!Muslim desert tribe's leader, who is known for having a vast harem.
>>20074774
sasuga
>>20074780
I've noticed book names and titles feel so generic too.

[Anonymous No.20074813]

>>20074803
I mean, there's only so many titles you can have. I'm reading what's basically a sci-fi magic academy (Iron Prince, it's... Rough) right now and I had to go and check what it's title actually was to remember it. At least Mage Errant uses a relatively unique term (even though I'm not sure it means much for the series) and Arcane Ascension is fairly memorable just for the alliteration, but "The Enchanter" is so... Eh. Even if it was just "The Enchanter's Education" I think it'd be better.

[Anonymous No.20074818]

>>20074813
I've read it. I know how you feel. It doesn't get better, by the way.
There's no evocation in book titles anymore. It's like a hodgepodge random assortment between the same pool of ~150 words. Look at "Iron Prince". Bland. Errant is uncommon enough to stand out, sure. A lot are just, ick. I do spend much time scrolling through Amazon lists though so maybe I'm more exposed to the pulp.

[Anonymous No.20074830]

>>20074818
It's not BAD, Iron Prince, it's just it feels like it did not need to be 850 pages. How the fuck do you make a book THAT long and yet still feel the need to skip two weeks later every time something happens? The characters are moderately more than flat, the most interesting character so far is Logan just because he feels like he has SOMETHING going on whereas the most interesting thing and Reidon is he has bone-itis.

[Anonymous No.20074841]

>>20074818
Actually why the fuck IS it called Iron Prince? His title ends up being Stormweaver, the term Iron Prince means nothing, he's not a prince, and "iron" is meaningless because it's fucking sci-fi everything is metal or plastic. You could just call it Stormweaver or at least use that name in there somewhere.

[Anonymous No.20074852]

>>20074830
The author watched five battle shounen and wrote a book about it.
>>20074841
Isn't the full title Iron Prince: Stormweaver? I don't know/remember either, honestly.

[Anonymous No.20074866]

>>20074852
I think the series is called Stormweaver, though the Amazon title seems to disagree, this book has a thing with inconsistent names, like I noticed the guy he's fighting in the first chapter, they can't seem to decide if his last name is Kosh or Kent, and then there's another character who has that same problem in her introduction, which makes me think they just mistook those two characters despite them being several chapters apart. Also the classes switch between being 1-A or A-1 in how its laid out for some reason. The core story is kinda neat but it's somehow glacially paced while skipping the more interesting parts.

[Anonymous No.20074882]

Any good urban fantasy?

[Anonymous No.20074895]

>>20074882
Dresden Files?

[Anonymous No.20074896]

>>20074866
Yes, it is painfully slow chuuni powerwank slice of life. It will remain like that throughout the entire book.

[Anonymous No.20074904]

>>20074896
I found it absurdly baffling how they skip over his early growth so much. He starts with nothing but potential, and then it just skips ahead to him already having grown a bit. It feels wrong. If you wanna have your progression fantasy protag start from zero, you can't progress that fast that early or it feels like you've cheated the audience.

[Anonymous No.20074914]

What you fags reading?

[Anonymous No.20074916]

>>20074904
I don't remember how much was skipped but it boils down to him physically training, or cultivating, and a lot of that is covered in detail. Plus the entire book takes 7 or 9 months.

[Anonymous No.20074921]

>>20074914
trash
SoulShip

[Anonymous No.20074927]

>>20074916
True, but the very early stages feel like it's skipping to the school, and we only see the tail end of him learning without the school's help. Combined with the weirdly inconsistent names on some minor things and the glacial pace, was this a webnovel or does it just feel like one?

[Anonymous No.20074930]

>>20074895
>good

[Anonymous No.20074935]

> Moraine x Thom
Wtf

[Anonymous No.20074939]

>>20074921
Reading some trash myself.

[Anonymous No.20074940]

>>20074935
Yeah that came completely out of left field.

[Anonymous No.20074947]

>>20072905
The fact it follows the genre conventions of high fantasy does. And the fact you don't know what high fantasy means doesn't change that.

[Anonymous No.20074955]

>>20074914
Otherland by Tad Williams. It is very different than expected.

[Anonymous No.20074963]

soulship 5 WHEN

[Anonymous No.20074980]

>>20074914
Cage of Souls, as per recommendation here. I'm not sure if I like it. There's a quite a bit of the absurdity of Vance's Dying Earth, but limited amount of whimsicality. I'm consistently left wondering whether or not something is supposed to be silly or serious. I hope it'll pick up once the narrative sheds the slow-ass beginning.

[Anonymous No.20074982]

Will Rothfuss ever finish the series?

[Anonymous No.20074984]

>>20074982
No and stop asking already.

[Anonymous No.20075023]

I just realised that while a lot of fantasy does avoid the "21 century milquetoast liberal in a magical world" problem, there's a similiar, mostly unaddressed issue that is persistent in nearly everything I've read - lack of geographical ignorance and general erudition levels. Think of how tiny the world of an average medieval peasant was. Even 500 years ago most people spent their entire live on a small patch of land, didn't know about the true size, shape, or population of the planet, had no idea who ruled their kingdom or what wars happened in the last decade. And yet, in fantasy every bar maid seems to be well-versed on the encyclopedia of lore, culture, and rapidly shifting political situation in the world. Is there a book that delves into this issue?

[Anonymous No.20075025]

>>20074982
No and it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.20075059]

Can you give me one good reason why I should read anything else but Gene Wolfe's library for the rest of the year?

[Anonymous No.20075065]

>>20072934
>>20072911

Can someone tell me what if anything is good about this guy? Someone posted on /v/ about him basically saying he shouldve been the one to collaborate with fromsoft on Elden Ring instead of GRRM. Sounds like a spoiled cunt TBQH

[Anonymous No.20075067]

Any book that uses the VN format with different routes?

[Anonymous No.20075101]

>>20075065
He is religious, like all good sff writers

[Anonymous No.20075113]

>>20075101
so no isolated merit toward his actual writing skill

[Anonymous No.20075119]

>>20075113
Not as such.

[Anonymous No.20075126]

Bought Cities in Flight today, anyone here read it?

[Anonymous No.20075129]

Night Land is the greatest fantasy book ever written

[Anonymous No.20075133]

>>20075119
Ok. Have a good one.

[Anonymous No.20075174]

>>20075065
>
>Someone posted on /v/ about him basically saying he shouldve been the one to collaborate with fromsoft on Elden Ring instead of GRRM.
Either you're too autistic to tell when someone is clearly joking or you're too retarded to read past a headline like the rest of the knuckle draggers on /v/. There are plenty of things to hate about Sanderson (and, conversely, plenty of merits) but that bit about Elden ring wasn't one of them

[Anonymous No.20075188]

>>20075065
>>20075174
GRRM was ideally suited to that project anyways. Most of what he's doing at the moment, since he's not finishing the series, is worldbuilding-related stuff. He's not responsible for, say, creating the spells and naming them and so on. Fromsoft does that like usual, they're just using the world and lore as inspiration.

[Anonymous No.20075206]

>>20075129
This is a good opinion to have, as if you reject counterarguments from everyone who haven't read the book, only utter nutjob patricians will remain to voice their batshit connoisseur statements.

[Anonymous No.20075229]

the loathsome dungeater

[Anonymous No.20075245]

>>20075229
Gods, I want beat him up

[Anonymous No.20075254]

>>20075245
Nice display of impotent rage.

[Anonymous No.20075278]

>>20075245
good luck, he's behind over 9000 layers of fat

[Anonymous No.20075293]

Just caught up with the past few threads, is it now going to be impossible to discuss a book series if one dedicated shitposter who doesn't like it shits up threads hard enough?

[Anonymous No.20075295]

>>20075293
There's one dedicated shitposter who hates anybody discussing any series at all.

[Anonymous No.20075300]

>>20075293
>>20075295
Just report it and the jannies and hopefully mods deal with it. They did it last time.

[Anonymous No.20075316]

>>20075300
I don't even know his goal, it's like expecting people to believe that someone posting
>X-bros... its over
is genuinely apart of X and not just falseflagging.

[Anonymous No.20075325]

>>20075300
>nuked the thread
They certainly dealt with it.

[Anonymous No.20075361]

>>20074721
it doesn't

[Anonymous No.20075377]

I'm all of a sudden struck with the urge to read Conan. I've never really been a big fan of sword and sorcery, but on a whim I've decided to give the genre a try. I wanna start with Conan, and I'm wondering what books I should start with. Does Conan have a recomended reading order?

[Anonymous No.20075378]

>>20075316
It’s over-bros... it’s over

[Anonymous No.20075387]

Smut. I'll just write smut. There's no fucking way I'm breaking into anything that isn't up to the brim with more productive hacks than myself. I'm content with being paid for writing, so smut it is.

[Anonymous No.20075389]

>>20073263
Chapter 11

[Anonymous No.20075390]

What would you recommend to someone starting this genre?

[Anonymous No.20075393]

>>20075387
can you do sci fi smut

[Anonymous No.20075397]

>>20075390
Have you read literally no sci-fi or fantasy at all?

[Anonymous No.20075401]

>>20075390
tell me what fantasy and sci-fi movies you like the most, and I'll give you a recomendation.

[Anonymous No.20075412]

>>20075393
>what is warhammer smut

[Anonymous No.20075413]

>>20075397
No, but I don't read many novels besides vn.

[Anonymous No.20075420]

>>20075413
What kind of stories do you usually like?

[Anonymous No.20075421]

>>20074750
Gay leads (I'm assuming from the blurb) is also new for progression fantasy to my knowledge, so it's cool to see. Fingers crossed it's not still something that will badly limit your audience pool in 2022
it is faggot fiction.

[Anonymous No.20075423]

>>20075413
>I don't read many novels besides vn
what kinds of VNs?

[Anonymous No.20075437]

>>20075421
It's not wholly new, though I suppose explicitly gay is rarer (Arcane Ascension has an asexual but biromantic protagonist).

[Anonymous No.20075440]

>>20075412
i'm not into warhammer
i like the expanse

[Anonymous No.20075445]

>>20075316
>I don't even know his goal
His goal is to kill this general.

[Anonymous No.20075450]

>>20075401
Inception, Blade Runner, Edge of tomorrow, the Lord of the rings, terminator 1 & 2 are some I've liked.

[Anonymous No.20075456]

>>20075293
you can discuss any book any series as long as it is not pozzed, coomer or written by a female.

[Anonymous No.20075457]

Do not make a new thread at 310.

[Anonymous No.20075459]

>>20075457
Okay

[Anonymous No.20075463]

>>20075456
>you can discuss any book any series
Correct.
>as long as it is not pozzed, coomer or written by a female.
Incorrect.

[Anonymous No.20075469]

>>20075463
Why do you even rely to him? That’s what he wants.

[Anonymous No.20075473]

>>20075423
My favorite VN are Stein's Gate, Umineko, Tsukihime, 999, and Dies Irae.

[Anonymous No.20075474]

>>20075450
Read Neuromancer, or some other Cyberpunk shit.

[Anonymous No.20075477]

>>20075325
I mean, have you look at it? There was a bit of discussion but by the end of it, it was just low-effort post.

[Anonymous No.20075482]

>>20075473
>>20075450
That's a fairly wide variety. Do you have an idea of what KIND of stories you'd like? You could read Lord of the Rings, though do be aware it's a pretty dense thing to start with.

[Anonymous No.20075486]

Create new thread already

[Anonymous No.20075487]

>>20075390
lord of the rings is easy to start with and is a good read. If you're reddit tier than you can read mistborn, The KingKiller chronicles, or anything written by Brandon Sanderson. Though, if you're looking for something avant-garde then the series The Book of the New Sun is pretty good. I mostly hate the chinese but people here actually like Cultivation novels such as the Cradle series.

[Anonymous No.20075491]

>>20075486
Why? People are still discussing things and we’re still on page 1. Wait until it’s page 5 or something.

[Anonymous No.20075492]

>>20075486
No, it's not yet time.

[Anonymous No.20075496]

>>20075487
>Sanderson
I'd actually recommend Warbreaker or Emperor's Soul, in particular. Good standalone stuff, and Emperor's Soul is some of his best work.
>Cradle
It's a good series, and seeing as he reads VNs he probably is into anime, and Cradle is very anime.

[Anonymous No.20075498]

>>20075390
Neuromancer for Science Fiction and the grandfather of Fantasy, Lord of the Rings or any story written by Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.20075499]

>>20075496
Almost nothing Sanderson has ever published is truly standalone.

[Anonymous No.20075502]

>>20075473
My previous recomendation of Cyberpunk shit stands. You might also like some Stephen King shit.

>>20075482
>>20075487
Starting with LotR as your first fantasy novel is a mistake.

[Anonymous No.20075505]

>>20075499
True, but those two at least don't really care as much about the Cosmere in and of themselves. Warbreaker links into Stormlight and whatnot, but it itself is solid, if a little oddly paced.

[Anonymous No.20075506]

>>20075487
Maybe I'll read the Lord of the rings as a start, I've tried reading some of Brandon Sanderson's stuff in the past but I think his prose is kinda dry.

[Anonymous No.20075507]

>>20075502
Anything as your first fantasy novel as an adult is a mistake. Should've been reading them since childhood.

[Anonymous No.20075512]

>>20075506
LOTR is a long read, and while it's fantastic, it does get quite dense.
That said if you're into VNs you probably can read schlock for hours so go ahead and read a good big-ass book.
I'd also recommend practically anything by Pratchett, Discworld is a long series but they're all mostly good.

[Anonymous No.20075515]

>>20075325
>They certainly dealt with it.
Pretty sure they've also dealt with it on this thread as well. Otherwise just ignore the shitposter and continue discussing.

[Anonymous No.20075516]

>>20075377
Publishing order, except The Hour of the Dragon as the last one.

[Anonymous No.20075522]

>>20075491
>Wait until it’s page 5 or something.
Page 8 or 9 seems more fitting.

[Anonymous No.20075525]

>>20075515
There's only a single deleted post showing in the archive for thread, though it is about the author not to named.

[Anonymous No.20075533]

>>20075516
>>20075377
What if he wanted to start with the best Conan has to offer and then decided from that whether reading from the beginning would be worthwhile?

[Anonymous No.20075539]

>>20075506
What does dry prose really even mean?

[Anonymous No.20075542]

>>20075522
The true way is to do it is moments before the thread is archived, so page 11.

[Anonymous No.20075543]

>>20075525
>author not to named.
Talking about Bakker is fine too, just don't blatantly shitpost and actively try making the thread hate you.

[Anonymous No.20075551]

>>20075539
Honestly, at this point I'm not sure. I think it just means that the text overall is flavourless. The content of the story and characters might be fun, but the text itself is very function-over-flavour.

[Anonymous No.20075552]

>>20075515
By starting reddit tier discussion you are inviting shitposting. I am not sure why mods don't deal with redditors problem.

[Anonymous No.20075555]

>>20075543
I've only barely heard of Bakker before these threads. Is any of his stuff actually good or what the hell is the deal.

[Anonymous No.20075558]

>>20075533
If you have a different suggestion for me, I'll take it into account too. The Conan series is mostly episodic, no?

[Anonymous No.20075562]

>>20075555
Checked, yes, good but also very coomer.

[Anonymous No.20075565]

>>20075558
>The Conan series is mostly episodic
Yes

[Anonymous No.20075570]

>>20075539
No effort given to poetry or rhythm, for one.

[Anonymous No.20075572]

>>20075440
Do the expanse with explicit sex scenes, there you go

[Anonymous No.20075575]

>>20075174
He sounds and carries himself like a fuckin' pussy crybaby. He came off as entitled and stuck up.

Am I to think that doesn't reflect in his writing? If he wishes he could work with From then just fucking saying it in a respectable and articulate way.

If I were From and saw that clip I would laugh and slam the door in his face.

[Anonymous No.20075577]

>>20075570
>>20075551
>>20075539
>>20075506
WHERE MY WET PROSE AT?
WAP, WET ASS PROSE!

[Anonymous No.20075581]

>>20075575
Post what he said. What is the use in discussing a second hand account given by some fag on /v/

[Anonymous No.20075582]

>>20075525
Already fixing the problem then.

[Anonymous No.20075588]

>>20075555
I personally enjoyed the series, it's not in my top 3 favorites but i'll probably read it again in a few years. I can see why people wouldn't like it if they don't like super grimdark stuff, to each their own.
A shitposter who is either just a super autistic fan or someone who is just trying to get /sffg/ to hate it constantly spams his content here. Like all things, you are better off forming your own opinion on something than letting someone else do it for you.

[Anonymous No.20075600]

>>20075581
I don't really expect others to be as critical as me but go ahead and have a look for yourself--

https://youtu.be/wG5pTiCRqKM?t=2674 [Embed] (44:35)

[Anonymous No.20075606]

>>20075588
Well, I'm already not a big grimdark fan, so probably not my thing.

[Anonymous No.20075629]

>>20075600
It wasn’t that bad, but I see where you are coming from. Are you an Elden Ring or GRRM fan? I’m trying to understand why you react so strongly to this.

[Anonymous No.20075637]

>>20075577
Yes, much better rhythm than the original

[Anonymous No.20075638]

>>20075629
He's from /v/. Overreacting is his lifeblood

[Anonymous No.20075653]

>>20075600
brandon just because you write books as complex as a videogame storyline doesn't mean people want a videogame storyline in their videogame. leave the rpg mechanics to the game designers not the fucking authors.

[Anonymous No.20075664]

>>20075653
He IS working with some company on a video game, nothing based on his work. He didn't say who, he just said "It's probably not your first or your second guess, but you have heard of them".

[Anonymous No.20075666]

>>20071424
If you mean the beekeeper girl, the MC and her weren't even married at that point. Not only that, the father was his foster father. And it was never mentioned that he watched them every single time.

[Anonymous No.20075667]

>>20075600
Seems like he thinks he would've been able to take part in the game's design and that George got to do that, which is incorrect. I also kind of doubt he played the King's Field games, but I guess someone must have played them.

[Anonymous No.20075678]

>>20075387
The smutpill is the way to go. It's the best way to be paid for your hobby unless you're an incredible author. And even then, writing smut for coomers is good practice to get you to the skill level you need to be at to succeed elsewhere. It's just like with smut artists on twitter/patreon.

[Anonymous No.20075679]

>>20075664
Shame that the Mistborn game was vaporware.

[Anonymous No.20075690]

>>20075678
>getting paid to practice writing books
You’re kind of selling me on this, anon.

[Anonymous No.20075693]

>>20075629
I am an artist and care about art in and of itself.

I am trying to understand if there is anything to this guy before I read what he has to offer myself. Before doing so I want to understand other's opinions about whether there is anything of substance in there or if its just "something that people consume because it's there."

Can't imagine Tolkien trying to talk down to other authors as if he deserves something. He would simply work on his own art as a true artist would, instead of trying to latch onto others. Tolkien also fought in WW1 and has some legitimacy in terms of writing stories about heroism. I want to understand who an author is if I am going to take their work seriously.

[Anonymous No.20075696]

>>20075679
His writing is very video game-y (the Szeth prologue for Way of Kings is straight-up that level where you have all the powers at the start of the game), and his systems would make for decent games. I'm surprised he's not pushed for it more, but I guess it's hard to justify. Kelsier in Fortnite still fucks with me, though.

[Anonymous No.20075700]

>>20075693
art reflects the person who creates it, shit art is created by shit people.

[Anonymous No.20075707]

>>20075696
what thefuck htis isa c tually a thing?>?!?!?

[Anonymous No.20075718]

>>20075707
He's friends with one of the big Epic guys because he wrote some novellas for Infinity Blade or something.

[Anonymous No.20075721]

>>20075707
Imagine being this emotionally disturbed by something so silly.

[Anonymous No.20075726]

>>20075700
Exactly. That's why I am investigating and why I am so critical. Art is necessarily a reflection of oneself.

[Anonymous No.20075730]

>>20075726
It really isn't.

[Anonymous No.20075734]

>>20075730
look deeper, your mind is not opened so you can't see the patterns behind the words

[Anonymous No.20075736]

>>20075730
>"the things people create don't reflect on the person who made it"

yeah ok

[Anonymous No.20075744]

>>20075690
There are so many ways to make money on a hobby these days it would be insane to not at least try it. Besides patreon, Kindle unlimited enables coomers to pay the authors of every book they read while only spending $10 per month. They take advantage of it and so should you. Just remember to actually improve your work with each book and don't just get comfortable in your coombux.

[Anonymous No.20075749]

>>20075744
I unashamedly got Kindle Unlimited to delve into smut books, then I realised most of them were trash so I looked at what actually good books were there. I had some decent luck, but there's still a lot of bloated garbage.

[Anonymous No.20075764]

>>20075736
>>20075734
It's small funhouse mirrors at best. Distorted and incomplete.

[Anonymous No.20075778]

>>20075693
Sanderson is the second most prominent fantasy writer there is today, after GRRM. I don’t think he is a great writer, and it does not seem like he would fit writing for the From Software games in particular better than GRRM. But if you’re trying to go after him for his qualifications, I have to say you’re barking up the wrong tree.

[Anonymous No.20075816]

>>20075778
Not that Anon

>second most prominent fantasy writer there is today, after GRRM
Not true, there are several authors who are more prominent and sell more and generally have more influence among a mainstream audience. The qualification is, "of writers that /sffg/ particularly cares about"

[Anonymous No.20075827]

>>20075816
Which ones? I can’t think of any. But I am an /sffg/ product.

[Anonymous No.20075838]

>>20075827
Arguably JK Rowling, even if she's not much of a fantasy author right now, she's still the biggest deal of modern fantasy writers.

[Anonymous No.20075839]

>>20075749
That's why smut is the way to go. You'll be lumped in with trash either way but at least with smut you're more likely to get paid (as long as you have at least half decent cover art). You can always write your non-smut magnum opus under a different pen name and no one will know.

[Anonymous No.20075859]

>>20075839
All smut books on Kindle Unlimited are kinda hilarious to look through. Always some half-dressed woman with MAYBE something indicating what the fuck the story is, all of them seem to be first person and the sequels (which they'll often have up to 10 of) are always just numbered.

[Anonymous No.20075868]

>>20075859
Fuck, is first person necessary for smut?

[Anonymous No.20075874]

>>20075868
Not always, but it seems to be most of them are. Easier to self-insert that way.

[Anonymous No.20075911]

>>20075874
I see. I’ve never liked first person. Maybe I am not as much of a degen self-insoorter as I thought!

[Anonymous No.20075938]

>>20075390
Lord of the Rings by JRR Tolkien
Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander
Belgariad/Malloreon by David Eddings

[Anonymous No.20075949]

>>20075764
if the person is themselves distorted and incomplete then yeah

[Anonymous No.20075964]

>>20075874
>>20075868
I've seen preference polls on various smut subreddits being split roughly halfway between first and third person. First person being so prevalent might just be due to author misconceptions or even just their own preference for writing.

[Anonymous No.20075970]

>>20075964
I haven't delved too deep myself (I tried reading a few before I was like "Hey why don't I just read actually good books").

[Anonymous No.20075989]

>>20075964
First person is pretty easy to write smut in since pronouns are easier to keep straight, especially if you're doing a same-sex scene, and the perspective is also a lot easier to decide on since you're hard locked into a PoV. I've written both first person and third person erotica (and even second person) and while my preference is third person I find first person way easier.

[Anonymous No.20075997]

>>20075989
>second person
What the fuck people use that outside of game books?

[Anonymous No.20075998]

>>20075989
Second person seems like a good choice for smut now that you mention it

[Anonymous No.20076006]

>>20075970
I get it. I mostly read regular fiction but I do sprinkle in some smut every now and then when I find one that appeals to me. It's half to fulfill my degenerate desires and half to conduct market research on a possible revenue stream.
>>20075989
That makes sense. But you're going to have to share your second person smut now.

[Anonymous No.20076007]

>>20075997
Anon what exactly did you think is meant by erotica if not games and books?

>>20075998
It's interesting and tends to be well-received by people into it, but not very popular.

[Anonymous No.20076025]

ooh i wanna write smut & get paid for it
where do i get started

[Anonymous No.20076027]

>>20076025
notepad

[Anonymous No.20076032]

>>20076007
I meant game books, like those Fighting Fantasy things. Or Choose-Your-Own-Adventure books, I suppose, those use second person as well. I've never seen standard writing in it.

[Anonymous No.20076036]

>>20076027
i mean i'm pretty descriptive when texting bitches & they seem to enjoy it
i just wanna get paid for my sexts

[Anonymous No.20076038]

>>20076032
There's actually a SFF-related book written in second person, Harrow the Ninth. Or at least most of it is second person. Very unusual, that.

[Anonymous No.20076040]

>>20076038
It's by nature incredibly unusual, but I'm sure it's interesting if done right.

[Anonymous No.20076042]

>>20076036
Getting into a creative industry is all about getting noticed. You can't exactly cold call people and ask if they'd like to pay you to write smut. You have to write the smut first, get people to notice, and say you do commissions and see if anybody bites.

[Anonymous No.20076057]

>>20076032
Like text-based adventure games? Yeah those are usually second person. Corruption of Champions is an example of a mostly text-based erotic adventure game that is written almost entirely in second person.

[Anonymous No.20076074]

>>20076057
No, like Fighting Fantasy. https://www.fightingfantasy.com/

[Anonymous No.20076163]

>>20075600
What's wrong?

[Anonymous No.20076171]

>>20076163
That anon has an agenda against chubby Mormons.

[Anonymous No.20076173]

>>20072211
>Each new pulp era comes about when there is a seismic shift in the number of monkeys you can put in front of a typewriter either due to lowered distribution costs or increased ability to compensate. Just based on higher population plus a ratio of ~0 cost vs something comp our new pulp era is probably producing the largest number of readable works. Probably a good time to be a gatekeeper.
Just wait till publishers sell us a.i. generated novels.

[Anonymous No.20076216]

RIP to Dead Authors that Will Never Publish Again.
E William Brown
Patrick Rothfuss
Scott Lynch
Tamryn Tamer
Andries Louws
Jay Lake
Gene Wolfe

[Anonymous No.20076240]

>>20076216
I feel like SOMETHING'S up with this list.

[Anonymous No.20076253]

>>20076240
What? I'm just surprised that it took this long for Rothfuss to ACK himself.

[Anonymous No.20076311]

Nice to see this thread going out on a low note.

[Anonymous No.20076329]

>>20075377
>I'm all of a sudden struck with the urge to read Conan
Read it if you haven't yet.

[Anonymous No.20076332]

>>20076311
I think it was a good thread. The discussion about perspective in smut was interesting.

[Anonymous No.20076347]

>>20074721
It’s filth. Stop while you can. I absolutely regret having bought and read the entire ten books. The first one was so enjoyable that I thought the entire thing would be great. I was wrong.

[Anonymous No.20076497]

>>20076332
It was mostly non pozzed.

[Anonymous No.20076593]

>>20076173
Even modern AI would probably write better stories than what publishers are currently trying to sell us

[Anonymous No.20076609]

The thread you made is unsuitable. Delete it and try again, or don't. Either way, no.

[Anonymous No.20076612]

New thread
>>20076610

[Anonymous No.20076617]

>>20076609
It's the shitposter. Just report that thread and use the real one >>20076612

[Anonymous No.20076625]

>>20076617
Who is the shitposter and why is he trying to kill /sffg/?

[Anonymous No.20076636]

New thread !!!!

>>20076603
>>20076603
>>20076603
>>20076603

[Anonymous No.20076643]

>>20076636
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.20076667]

>>20074774
>>20074750
Why does the probability of cocks being in the author's mouth approach 100% when there's a magic school?

[Anonymous No.20076696]

>>20076612
And he's now shitting up the thread now that no one is using his shitty bait thread.

[Anonymous No.20076699]

>>20076696
Just report it, don’t reply to it. That’s all it wants.

[Anonymous No.20076740]

>>20076699
Hopefully the janitors or mods deal with him soon.

[Anonymous No.20076757]

>>20076612
The shitposter is seething. Holy shit, what kind of mental illness is this.

[Anonymous No.20076759]

>>20076740
>>>/reddit/
>>>/lbgt/

[Anonymous No.20076770]

>>20076612
>There’s discussion about a book
>Immediately there’s spam
He really has no life

[Anonymous No.20076784]

>>20076770
For what reason is there some tranny in the op? Are you raiding from reddit?

[Anonymous No.20076836]

>>20076759
Fuck off already.

[Anonymous No.20076925]

And its gone

[Anonymous No.20076927]

>>20076836
He won't.

[Anonymous No.20076928]

>jannies deleted the thread because of his spam

[Anonymous No.20076934]

>>20076928
>they left the shitpost thread up
Is having negative IQ a requirement to be a janny?