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[Anonymous No.20060901]

Glorfindel fighting the Balrog edition

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[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.20060905]

Words of Radiance, The Stormlight Archive #2 - Brandon Sanderson (2014)

I enjoyed how the characters moved in and out of each other's lives and how tangled their involvements with each other became. Each of the characters were enjoyable in their own ways. However, I had some dislike for how the past is revealed. The memory blocks could be done better. There are quite a few times where events don't happen because the narrative isn't ready for them yet. Sanderson has written about how that's a problem for him.

The ratio of quality to length sufficed for me. For the most part I don't think much needed to be cut, though that depends on reading preferences. The length of series can be intimidating and I was somewhat reluctant, which is one of the reasons why I delayed reading the first book so long and hadn't read another until despite reading the first in November. I don't prefer reading stuff over time, so I binged it, like I do with most entertainment. Two full days of reading and it was over. It would probably be a rather different experience to read it over the course of potentially months.

I'd consider this series to be about the journey more than anything else. As far as I can tell, most enjoy, or may even only be reading for, the "sanderlanche" at the end of each book. That reminds of network TV series where often only the premiere and finale of a season would advance the plot in any meaningful way. Does that make it filler? For a lot of people, probably, yeah, so reactions will vary about that. I didn't mind overly much in this case.

I feel that most people have taken this series too seriously. Although Sanderson referenced many social, economic, ethical, and other sorts of issues, they rarely were explored in any sort of detail. However, I don't know that they were needed or wanted in this sort of narrative. It was meant to be fun above all else. It hasn't taken itself seriously, yet many people have insisted on doing so. A lot of this may come from an overall unfamiliarity with Sanderson's work. I didn't read anything in this that seemed out of place for what he'd write. It's unfortunate when there's a disconnect between expectations and reality.

As with the first book, this one continued to be amusing and absurd. It's not anything great, but it did what it does well. I've had few complaints. I'm amused that I've read a couple thousand pages now and the narrative has only really started to begin. Has the narrative prologue ended now? Maybe. The main reason why I wouldn't rate these my highest rating is because none of it rises to that level for me. Instead, it's very steady reliably consistent good times. That being said, this is also sort of the series where it's only acceptable for me because it's outside of the norm. If I had already read other several other series that were this drawn out or if its approach became more common, I don't know that I'd have read it. That's more a problem for future generations though.

Rating: 4/5

[Anonymous No.20060911]

Bakker rules supreme, sanderson rage and scream.

[Anonymous No.20060936]

Total supremacy.

[Anonymous No.20060944]

>>20060905
Yeah, that's about my view on WoR. I feel like Brandon went a little overboard on set-up to the plot. He could PROBABLY have condensed the first two books into their own thing, or made Shallan be introduced in WoR specifically (because she doesn't intersect at all with the rest of the main cast in the first book, and her part in Way of Kings is just her prologue, basically) so we didn't have so two books of just set-up into set-up. Because at its core, the narrative of Stormlight IS fairly simple, but it's a wide-reaching one with many different factions and people involved so it necessitates quite a lot of pages devoted to them all, but it's still... Eh. I dunno, the pacing of the series feels off sometimes.

[Anonymous No.20060961]

Sandersois are nerds, look at them nerding it out

[Anonymous No.20060964]

HOW LONG HAVE YOU SERVED SANDERSNOYTTERATH?

[Anonymous No.20060969]

>>20060944
I may feel differently when I get around reading rest of the books over the next few months. Maybe one a month for the main books. I'll probably read Edgedancer later this month.

[Anonymous No.20060981]

>>20060969
I found Edgedancer relatively... Whelming, personally. I enjoy Lift well enough, but when I've seen Sanderson just excel at writing a folksy dumbass in Wayne over in Mistborn era 2, she just falls a little flat. It's decent enough, at least, and helps clear up some plot points that book 3 just kinda gloss over.

[Anonymous No.20060995]

>>20060964
Two major empires in /sffg/

1. Bakkerstan
2. Sandersoia

[Anonymous No.20061006]

What are you fags reading that you never read before?

[Anonymous No.20061010]

>>20061006
Any book I read is a book I've never read before for the most part. I don't really re-read books. Bartimaeus is the only thing I've re-read recently because I remembered it being a decent series from when I was younger and I found it held up decently, though was a little threadbare.

[Anonymous No.20061011]

>>20060981
Lift seems to be a divisive character, but I haven't looked that much into it. She reminds me somewhat of Tiny Tina from Borderlands who seems similarly divisive. I'm rather amused by both. I didn't like the first Era 2 book, so I'll be putting the rest of them off until it's much closer until Lost Metal is published. My ratings for Sanderson have ranged from 1-4 stars depending on the work. Mistborn, I read the first book around when it was came out, has fallen a lot in my estimation since I first read it. That's fine though, it happens.

[Anonymous No.20061015]

>>20061006
Storm of Swords

[Anonymous No.20061022]

>>20061011
I think people's issues with Lift stem from the fact that in this grand fantasy with all these heroic paragon warriors and the cunning strategists and cutthroats, you also just have the Cockney-speaking streetrat who's inexplicably important to the plot. I'm surprised you didn't like Era 2 that much. I do admit Alloy of Law is the weaker of the currently released ones (Wax and Marasi are the only characters with much to them, Wayne's charm isn't QUITE as solidified) but I think it gets quite a bit better as it goes. Curious what you'd say your favourite Sanderson book is? If we're counting all his works, I think The Emperor's Soul is his best, it's a remarkably good short story/novella (I'm not sure what it counts as).

[Anonymous No.20061058]

>>20061022
Lift would be more in line with his Reckoners series, yeah, but that goes in line with what I wrote, to me anyway. I think Lift is more in line with how serious Sanderson himself takes it, but I could be wrong. I don't think the comparisons to the Marvel cinematic universe and that level of seriousness that has is that far off.
I was going to write two full posts about the book, but decided not to. I have other stuff written, but I'm undecided whether I'll actually post it or not.
The Emperor's Soul is certainly one of his best works. A lot of my feelings about him have been changing over time, so I 'm not really sure myself now. I've read most of what he's published somehow, which doesn't really correlate to how much I like him, but that's how it's gone. The worst by far was The Original, but that may be mostly because it was an audio-exclusive at the time and due to I was feeling at the time.

[Anonymous No.20061064]

Is there a fantasy book that excels at world-building the same way the Silmarillion does?

[Anonymous No.20061075]

>>20061064
I'm assuming you've read it? I've been shying away from Tolkien for a while but was wondering if I could just dive in with this one, despite never having read LOTR or Hobbit.

[Anonymous No.20061077]

>>20061058
I haven't read much of his non-Cosmere stuff, I sort of burnt out burning through it all and then moved to less dense stuff. I certainly don't think he's a bad author, but he's very much a "craftsman" writer. He doesn't write from inspiration and whimsy or anything, he writes using tools. And that's fine, he does that well.

[Anonymous No.20061086]

>>20061077
I completely agree with that. That's why I wouldn't rate it more than 4 stars. It just wouldn't feel right.

[Anonymous No.20061090]

>>20061086
Well, all except the "dense" part. I'd say his novels are exceptionally fluffy rather than dense.

[Anonymous No.20061092]

>>20061064
I'm not sure what you're asking. Do other fantasy authors have lore bibles? Yeah if they take their world building seriously. Are they constructed into a mythological narrative? No, not really, because that was more Tolkien's personal project with his writings and not really the interest of everybody writing fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20061093]

>>20061086
That's not to say he's wholly uninspired or anything. Some characters definitely feel like something he's excited to make, like he definitely enjoys sticking Hoid into places, and you can't tell me Kelsier and Wayne aren't characters who kinda break archetypes a bit to become more fleshed-out as compared to most of Sanderson's characters who're just well-made archetypical characters. But as a whole package, yeah, it's 4, 4.5 at best for Sanderson. I like the books, but nothing particularly sticks with me THAT strongly. Then again I am judging based on Terry Pratchett and that's a rather high bar for anybody.

[Anonymous No.20061099]

>>20061075
Definitely. Much nicer experience moving onto Hobbit and LotR if you put your mind to remembering the characters, events and geography in Silmarillion.

[Anonymous No.20061106]

>>20061092
Was more along the lines of whether another book such as the Silmarillion existed at all.

[Anonymous No.20061107]

>>20061093
I think it was in the author notes of his Legion trilogy where Sanderson explains Hoid in detail. Odd place to do so, but yeah. Basically, Hoid is a childhood fantasy of his where he said he would insert a character in the background of every book he read.

[Anonymous No.20061129]

What's your favourite castle in fantasy?

[Anonymous No.20061135]

>>20061106
Genre fiction usually comes in two formats: novels and anthologies. The Silmarillion is closer to being an anthology than a novel, but it still doesn't really fit that format either. "Bible" is really the best way to describe it. If you're not getting what I'm saying, no, there isn't anything like it, because writing outside normally accepted formats makes it extremely hard to be published. That's why the Silmarillion was not actually published in Tolkien's lifetime, because he never intended it to be.

[Anonymous No.20061137]

>>20061107
I guess it was somewhere else. Either way.

[Anonymous No.20061155]

>>20061135
You forgot serialized formats, but they're all but irrelevant anymore.

[Anonymous No.20061157]

What's a story about a boy/girl going an adventure with some companions and the world gets increasingly mysterious and strange and the main character has some special gift

[Anonymous No.20061162]

>>20061135
Thank you for the clarification. Just finished Chapter 14 from the Quenta Silmarillion for the second time just to remind myself I've never encountered that level of detail in any other 'World of ...' book.

[Anonymous No.20061179]

>>20061107
He's brought that up a few times. He's basically explained that Hoid was the first 'character' he came up with, a weird multidimensional guy that was just in the background of so many crowds and all of that in whatever book he was reading. It coalesced into a proper thing when he came up with the Cosmere.

[Anonymous No.20061180]

>>20061157

[Anonymous No.20061182]

>>20061162
Tolkien was attempting to create a mythos as more than just backdrop. The mythos was the main project, the novelizations that sprang from it were meant to emulate the stories that sprang from real world mythology. Modern epic fantasy authors who forge their own mythology have reversed the order of things, the mythology is shallow because it is just there to flavor the world of the novels, they're not all out there trying to grow mythology in their backyard like Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.20061188]

>>20061157
I mean, Cradle? I've recommended it a few times, but it is that. I'm working through several series because I've been slacking on reading for years, only picked it up a few months back, but that was one newer one I read.

[Anonymous No.20061190]

>>20061182
It's come to be that if a religion is mentioned in any fantasy work I expect the god of that religion to be dead by the end of the series

[Anonymous No.20061192]

>>20061180
>>20061188
Lindon doesn't really have a special gift as such, though, he's mostly just a workaholic. Nothing inherently special there.

[Anonymous No.20061198]

>>20061192
But the story is about Eithan

[Anonymous No.20061207]

>>20061198
Not really? He's a major character, and even more major as Ozriel, but Lindon is still the central protagonist, it's about Lindon's journey towards the same peak Ozriel once reached.

[Anonymous No.20061214]

>>20061180
>>20061188
Cool, I'll read it soon
Are the characters interesting/real?
How old are the kids?

[Anonymous No.20061217]

>>20061214
>Are the characters interesting/real?
>How old are the kids?
Read it and find out, anon.

[Anonymous No.20061224]

>>20061214
Protagonist, Lindon, starts at 15/16 but time progresses relatively quickly. Yerin, the girl in this, is... Two years older? I'd say the main cast are all well fleshed out, at least, it's very "anime" in how the characters are, but with the added depth that a book can provide. A character introduced in the second book is probably the most real of anybody, but nobody suffers too much. Anybody whose perspective you get tends to give you a good idea of their headspace, too, and you jump around a fair bit there.

[Anonymous No.20061225]

>>20060901
What's up with Sanderson? Why is he a meme?

[Anonymous No.20061227]

>>20061022
The main problem with Lift, from what I've seen, is how strongly her personality and character voice colors the narrative description in her chapters. Other characters have influence on the voice of the narration, but with Lift it's jarringly different. Other characters mostly think about stormlight the same way, talking about drawing it, holding it, etc, but Lift "summons her awesomeness", which is probably how an uneducated street child would think of their own super powers, but I guess people simply don't want to read it. They want a more distant narrative voice rather than getting to close to a perspective like Lift.

[Anonymous No.20061231]

>>20061227
That's fair enough. It's meant to play into her (sometimes forced) immaturity, I think. Even as she grows up, she WANTS to still be a dumb, free kid.

[Anonymous No.20061237]

>>20061214
As an addendum, I'd say the first four-ish books are pretty hit or miss, but it's smooth sailing after (they're also all pretty short, except, inexplicably, book 8 which is more than twice the length of almost any other book in the series).

[Anonymous No.20061238]

>>20061231
I just mainly see people complaining about word choice and how things are described in her chapters, not so much her role or her character, but specifically the actual meta-textual way it is written is what bugs people.

[Anonymous No.20061242]

>>20060901
You guys could have still used the old thread to discuss things instead of jumping to this thread.

[Anonymous No.20061246]

>>20061238
True, but it's third-person limited with a very 'anchored' perspective to it, it's how Sanderson writes the Cosmere stuff. Vin doesn't know what burning metal is when she does it before Kelsier teaches her, she thinks of it as "luck" and the narration follows suit. Lift DOES know otherwise with her light stuff, but she deliberately ignores it.

[Anonymous No.20061254]

Should I read Mistborn Era 2

[Anonymous No.20061259]

>>20061254
I'd say so. The stakes are a lot less high than era 1, characters are overall more well-made and the pacing and dialogue is a little less clunky. Wayne is one of Sanderson's best characters.

[Anonymous No.20061262]

>>20061246
I think it's really just as simple as people are used to Sanderson's prose being invisible to them. The voice of the narration does not normally intrude on the scene, so you just get used to the fairly detached limited third person narration sounding mostly the same even if switching PoV biases things slightly, it doesn't really creep into the prose much. You're still thinking about it at the information layer, about what you're "seeing" in the story, rather than the textual layer, what you're physically reading on the page.

[Anonymous No.20061270]

>>20061259
Wayne is Sanderson's best character*
sorry for the typo

[Anonymous No.20061271]

>>20061254
Yes. I was hesitant to read it because I'm not a big fan of steampunk / industrial revolution era fiction, but honestly I like it better than era 1. The characters are so much better.

[Anonymous No.20061273]

>>20061262
I suppose that's fair. I'm used to the voice of the narration switching on me more strongly from other things I've read (I've mentioned Pratchett and the Bartimaeus series, for example, everybody has a different voice in those), and even when reading another series that's largely fairly workman with the prose, it never stood out too strongly.

[Anonymous No.20061281]

>>20061242
>You guys could have still used the old thread to discuss things
Wait, we could have done that?

[Anonymous No.20061282]

>>20061270
It's hard to say he's the VERY best, because I also like Kelsier and Vasher a lot, but just the fact that he's essentially somebody played by Simon Pegg DOES help him a lot.

[Anonymous No.20061284]

>>20061273
I don't have a problem with Lift, personally, I'm also used to far stronger narrative voice myself and really enjoy authors that can use it effectively. I'm mainly playing devil's advocate here, explaining what I think is the most likely reason for people disliking her, based on the most common complaints I've seen brought up.

[Anonymous No.20061291]

>>20061282
He feels like the only character that I could pick up a book written by literally anybody else and Wayne would be a character there. The only person who feels genuine.

[Anonymous No.20061294]

Is this a Sanderson general now?

[Anonymous No.20061297]

>>20061284
Valid point. She is a little jarring, and it makes me wish there was a bit more of a diverse set of narrative voices per character. There's some, you get a bit of a manic energy from Shallan, the inquisitiveness from Navani, the depress express from Kaladin, Adolin... Being a fuckboy (I love him but he is a fuckboy), but Lift uses it much more strongly. I dunno how anybody thinks she's the worst character, though.

[Anonymous No.20061302]

>>20061294
Hey, you wanna talk about something else, bring it up. People are discussing a popular sci-fi and fantasy author in the sci-fi and fantasy general. You're welcome to bring up others.

[Anonymous No.20061309]

>>20061302
He’s a shitposter, just report him.

[Anonymous No.20061319]

>>20061302
How about discussing a....... non-pozzed author?

[Anonymous No.20061320]

>>20061309
It was more subtle than the usual, so I wasn't sure.

[Anonymous No.20061322]

>>20061320
My bad, I should have used sandersoi instead of sanderson.

[Anonymous No.20061323]

>>20060901
Write a blurb on any of these titles/series if you want to hype a reader up:
>Lyonesse Trilogy
>Zothique
>Viriconium
>Little, Big
>Gormenghast
>Tigana

Here's mine for The Night Land
>In what is now your "typical" Dying Earth setting: incredibly far into the future with a dying (now dead) sun, nearly everyone who is still alive is holed up in a gigantic pyramid stronghold hiding from a myriad of nightmare monsters. The narrator is a man named X and is a reincarnated man from the 17th century on a mission to find his wife (also reincarnated) who is sending him telepathic messages from beyond the Last Redoubt. Time to strike out into the darkness of a world lit only by its own volcanic activity and subject yourself to the horrors of The Night Land. Also there's no dialogue which is kind of based.

Or fuck it just get me hype about a book you read.

[Anonymous No.20061329]

>>20061129
Probably the one from The Golden because it's a batshit insane Castlevania castle.

[Anonymous No.20061332]

>>20061329
I want more absurdly overcomplicated buildings in fantasy. Never heard of The Golden. Is it good?

[Anonymous No.20061336]

>>20061320
Just report him, so the mods can ban him before he details the thread further.

[Anonymous No.20061352]

Bakker rules and sandy drools
Bakker supreme and sandy scream
Bakker knows and sandy blows

[Anonymous No.20061354]

>>20061129
Dragonstone

[Anonymous No.20061366]

>>20060901
What are /sffg/ thoughts on Elric of Melniboné? I'm thinking of picking up this new edition of the first stories.

[Anonymous No.20061372]

>>20061366
Have you considered checking the archives?

[Anonymous No.20061377]

>>20061372
This is 4chan mate, not reddit
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.20061385]

>>20061372
I'm so sorry that asking you guys to repeat your opinions on book will end up ruining your slow general? Are you the assistant janny by any chance?

[Anonymous No.20061386]

>>20061377
Lurk more, newfag trash.

[Anonymous No.20061394]

>>20061385
>janny
Oh no! How will this general survive without more 2016+ newfags?

[Anonymous No.20061434]

>>20061385
Ignore the resident shitposter. He tells people to check the archives any time they try ask about anything other than Bakker.

[Anonymous No.20061448]

>>20061434
I'm not the Bakker poster nor have I touched that shit. This was maybe the second or third time I told someone to check the archives over the past few threads. I want anons to read the fucking archives instead of asking about the same twenty big-name authors hundreds of times. Exactly what they do on Reddit, despite anon's hypocritical newfag kneejerk.
Try again, faggot.

[Anonymous No.20061461]

>>20061448
It's a fair thing to ask, people want to actively discuss things and take part in the discussion.

[Anonymous No.20061464]

>>20061448
Nothing exists outside of the current thread.

[Anonymous No.20061474]

>>20061448
People want to actively discuss things and have their own questions answered, not read someone else's conversation from months ago.

[Anonymous No.20061495]

>>20061448
Who made you in charge of this general? So when do I get my 3 day ban for breaking your rule?

[Anonymous No.20061496]

>>20061448
This is the misery of the sanderson reader

[Anonymous No.20061521]

>>20061323
Working on writing my Naruto/Kenshi-inspired dying earth story

[Anonymous No.20061528]

/sffg/

Seething Furious Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.20061529]

Bakker as a small willy

[Anonymous No.20061547]

>/sffg/ posters when you ask about a book

[Anonymous No.20061556]

>>20061521
How the fuck do those two work together. Is it like "post-post-apocalyptic world where martial arts clans each have their own nation-states"?

[Anonymous No.20061560]

I planned on starting a discussion on the Conan short stories once I finished reading the books. I guess that goes against the rules of the assistant janny in charge of this thread.

[Anonymous No.20061565]

>>20061556
That sounds pretty cool actually

[Anonymous No.20061570]

>>20061565
I'm a font of ideas and no work ethic to put them down.

[Anonymous No.20061572]

>>20061521
You are an anime troon

[Anonymous No.20061626]

>me when an /sffg/ posters courts death by suggesting I read someone other than the top 20 social-aggregate approved authors

[Anonymous No.20061643]

Science fiction and Fantasy were a mistake. It's nothing but trash.

[Anonymous No.20061645]

>>20061626
Junior, you are courting death.

[Anonymous No.20061688]

>>20060905
Well put. I agree with you on all counts. I'm halfway through RoW (book 4) and it's not really spellbinding me the way the first 2 did.

It's nice that I can fall back and Sanderson for light reading where it doesn't feel like too much is at stake

[Anonymous No.20061690]

[Anonymous No.20061699]

>>20061192
It is p*zzed

[Anonymous No.20061703]

>>20061521
Got anything you want to write about it?

[Anonymous No.20061707]

>>20061690
This is the eternal misery of the sanderson reader

[Anonymous No.20061712]

[Anonymous No.20061751]

>>20061712
I know this is a shitpost, but I want to make sure all /sffg/ers are aware that Reverend Insanity is absolute trash. I fell for the bait and read 100 or so chapters to give it a fair shake. Horrid MTL "prose", insipid plot. I'd rather read the copy of bus-stop advertisements. If Tolkien is good sex with your loving wife, and Sanderson is masturbation, Reverend Insanity is coprophilia.

[Anonymous No.20061757]

>>20061751
>and read 100 or so chapters
I almost fell for your bait, touche'!

[Anonymous No.20061776]

>>20061757
Is your assertion that it "gets better"? Here's an excerpt, randomly chosen, from close to where I left off (chapter 107 "Skillfully earning primeval stones, ill-intent customers come to wreck havoc"):

>“One, two, three… nine. Indeed, it is nine vitality leaves.” Jiang Ya counted three times before closing the bag and carefully keeping the bag close to his body.
>
>Next, he raised his cup, toasting to Fang Yuan. “Lord Fang Yuan, happy doing business with you, let me toast you!”
>
>His gaze towards Fang Yuan carried deep admiration, even turning into a hint of jealousy.
>
>A year ago, when it was also spring. The first time he met Fang Yuan, the latter was still a student at the academy, not even having the rights to wear the Gu Master’s battle attire.
>
>But now, Fang Yuan was not only wearing battle attire, his belt was also red colour, and a square steel piece in the center of the belt — a Rank two Gu Master!
>
>However, he himself was still a Rank one, carrying a green coloured belt.
>
>Nevermind that, what made him jealous was, after getting the inheritance, Fang Yuan turned from a pauper into a tycoon.

It's all like this, complete unreadable babble.

[Anonymous No.20061780]

Can someone recc me some good fantasy standalone books? Im growing tired of reading 3 or more books set in the same universe at the moment

[Anonymous No.20061787]

>>20061776
No I just didn't honestly believe that, A) it had hundreds of chapters and that B) someone who hates it would get that far before deciding.
What, are they page long chapters?

[Anonymous No.20061799]

>>20061787
It's Chinese stuff, chapters are a few pages long and these stories go on forever.

[Anonymous No.20061802]

>>20061787
No, I just read fast. The chapters are fairly long; a cursory check indicates 2500-3000 words. Here's something from chapter 2328 (!?):

>Star Constellation Immortal Venerable saw the issue, the qi path immortal materials were insufficient, her expression turned dim.
>
>Heavenly Court’s foundation had finally hit rock-bottom!
>
>In fact, when she set up the star array calculation formation and nurtured the immemorial star beasts, she had already expended all of Heavenly Court’s star path resources.
>
>Recently, Heavenly Court’s members revived continuously, the remaining immortal graveyard was also consumed until only a small area was left, it could no longer allow any Gu Immortal to revive.
>
>Heavenly Court had developed for three million years, it had incomparable foundation, but after several huge battles, the expenditure was severe. When Spectral Soul Demon Venerable escaped from Heavenly Court, he ransacked the immortal treasury. They had to use their secret storage and even subtly draw resources from the ten great ancient sects.
>
>Until today, Heavenly Court was already showing signs of exhausting its foundation.
>
>Of course, the main reason why they were out of qi path resources was because the immortal material expenditure was just too high.

They pay brisk money for this crap? It's all like this.

[Anonymous No.20061809]

>>20061006
Have a new collection of Kane short stories, Night Winds, coming in the mail soon. Highly recommend the novels, Kane is sort of like an evil Kull.

[Anonymous No.20061816]

>>20061802
>claims to hate it
>posts multiple excerpts
I was right to call you bait.

[Anonymous No.20061824]

>>20061816
Believe what you will; I'm copying random paragraphs. I think it's important that the scholars of The General see this, since some sperg posts the cover every thread but wouldn't dare to post an excerpt.

[Anonymous No.20061834]

>>20061521
Based, if you’re having fun then why not anon.
>>20061560
You read the Ballantine books edition?

[Anonymous No.20061874]

>>20061366
Wanted to like it but was somewhat unimpressed by the first book. I finished it, but wasn't spurred to continue. I play TTRPGs so it felt oddly trite. It's hard to put myself in the shoes of a teen or 20-something reading these around the time they came out, but they must have been a big thrill. I fully intend to give the series another go when I'm in the mood for it. I've just been plowing through the Solar Cycle and everything else just feels inferior. Phases come, phases go.

I'm getting off topic but my thoughts on the book can be summed up as
>Elric is a based protag (sickly snarky dude and cousin lover)
>The airship approach to Yyrkoon's fortress town thing was kind of neat.
>Most of the rest was forgettable, but I seem to remember that him making pacts with big lords of chaos type figures was somewhat refreshing in that it didn't seem to read as grand and fantastical as a lesser work would have approached it.

[Anonymous No.20061894]

has anyone read the Throne of Glass series by Sarah Maas
someone recommended it to me and it has good reviews but i dont really think highly of their opinions of stuff

[Anonymous No.20061899]

>>20061894
Nobody here has read that.

[Anonymous No.20061900]

>>20061894
I tried to read it on a similar recommendation, but it's way too teen girl for me. Very much about how special the protagonist is and how two men vie for her attention and affection.

[Anonymous No.20061907]

>>20061900
thats about what i gathered from the reviews and the kind of people who were posting them, seemed to me like Twilight but fantasy

[Anonymous No.20061911]

>>20061907
Yeah I got Twilight vibes from it. Maybe there's some kind of really compelling intrigue later on but I couldn't get past the first few chapters of book 1.

[Anonymous No.20061927]

>>20061894
My sister-in-law loves these books, said I should try them, but >>20061900 is pretty spot on. It starts off with the protagonist being already a world-famous assassin who is as deadly as she is beautiful (that may be a direct quote from the books, I'm not sure, but wouldn't be surprised if it was). One of the men who starts falling for her is the captain of the guards that is escorting her, and the other, I can't even remember cause I lost interest so fast. Very eye-rolling stuff.

[Anonymous No.20061932]

>>20061927
>world famous
>assassin
yeah dropped right there

[Anonymous No.20061976]

>>20061894
No, don't read them unless you like YA. Much better stuff out there

[Anonymous No.20062014]

Thoughts on Red Rising? It's guilty pleasure YAish for me, but I really like it. The action sequences tend to be written well.

[Anonymous No.20062036]

Of all the bright cruel lies they tell you, the crudest is the one called love. - George R. R. Martin

[Anonymous No.20062046]

Coming off of three serious series, I picked this pulpy litRPG nonsense up: Master Hunter K.
It is your typical k-webnovel power fantasy where the MC is the last person alive in the all-planet raid survival buzzword and is mysteriously 'rewarded' by being sent back to the start of everything where he, wait for it, uses his knowledge to game the system and become the strongest dude, while carefully picking his crack team of trustworthy elite.
It seems to be three books long and I'm a few chapters into book two. The writing is simple and amateurishly written, of course it's a translation (by 'actual translators' at least). I wouldn't recommend it unless you're looking for a quick nonsense read to bridge between other books. Who knows if the ending will be a mindfuck or not.

[Anonymous No.20062072]

>>20061332
'sarrite. Not remarkable as a vampire novel or a mystery, but the imagery and overall weirdness sells it.

[Anonymous No.20062115]

When you come upon a word you don’t understand, do you skip it and try to understand the sentence as a whole, use the words around it to give a definition, or immediately open up your dictionary.

[Anonymous No.20062138]

>>20062115
I am well-read, so if I come upon a word I don't understand, I assume it is irrelevant pedantry written by an author high off his or her own farts and therefore irrelevant to the overall narrative, not to mention to my life.

[Anonymous No.20062154]

>>20062115
I highlight it with my e-reader and it gives me a definition; if not, I usually forget about it but either way, it gets saved into an overall search compendium that I will one day go through.

[Anonymous No.20062156]

>>20061688
Yeah, I see a lot of posts where people are disappointed with the latter two books, or at times, any other than the first, but it can be difficult to tell based on the posts how many people think that. The consensus of the /sffg/ members in the Goodreads seems to lower relative to the earlier books though at a glance though. I won't know what I think until I read them though, but a lot of similar others gives an approximate idea at least.

[Anonymous No.20062168]

>>20062115
When I was reading Dune, I didn't know what the hell was being talked about half the time and just kept reading hoping that maybe it explained itself. It also made me realize that the author has a choice to explain terms or keep them natural and explain itself as language would entail through usage and patterns.

[Anonymous No.20062173]

>>20061894
Throne of Glass (Throne of Glass, #1)
Ratings from /sffg/
5: 0
4: 1
3: 2
2: 2
1: 2

[Anonymous No.20062176]

>>20062036
I recognized that Meathouse Man quote right way. Great story. The best of the SF stories I've read from GRRM.

[Anonymous No.20062182]

>>20062046
When I briefly looked at it, the intro reminded me of Gantz.

[Anonymous No.20062198]

>>20062115
In SF&F most words I don't recognize are made up terms by the author, and I usually trust the author to explain them in due course. Looking them up would be, naturally, not possible if they are made up. I do still sometimes encounter real English vocabulary I'm not familiar with, and usually they fall into two categories: something I can sort of puzzle out the meaning of based on its latin/greek roots and/or context, or else something so puzzling and unusual I'm compelled to look it up immediately. Sometimes with the former type, my cobbled together impression is way off, but more often than not it's close enough to the mark that I don't feel the need to mend my ways.

[Anonymous No.20062199]

I've loved the LOTR movies but had difficulty getting into the books because I was a dumbass. I'm going to try again now that I'm slightly more intelligent and well-read.

[Anonymous No.20062206]

>>20061231
I don’t wanna grow up I’m a Toys R’ Us kid

Stay gold, Ponyboy. Stay gold.

[Anonymous No.20062213]

>>20061227
>>20061238
I’m so storming pure I practically belch rainbows.

[Anonymous No.20062218]

>>20062173
Surprisingly high ratings for a general with as few (read: zero) women as this one. It must really pick up if you can stomach the beginning.

[Anonymous No.20062237]

>>20062199
Have you tried reading the Hobbit? Or Children of Hurin? These are less daunting ways to ease yourself into his writing.

[Anonymous No.20062244]

>>20062218
There are women in the GR group, so they may be here as well. Only one who rated the book has "female" in their profile. 4chan's advertising page says 30% women, so I don't know. Not anywhere near that high of profile that openly identify as such though. Of the top 11 most prolific reviewers in the group, 3 are women.

[Anonymous No.20062248]

>>20062244
The quotes around "female" are well deserved, IMO, though maybe the readership for "women" is the same as actual women.

[Anonymous No.20062274]

>>20062248
That isn't what I meant.

Copypasted from a website:
for example, when you are writing about words as words:

“They’re,” “their,” and “there” are easily confused because they’re homophones.

“Cool” can refer to temperature, or it can mean something is good; “sweet” is also a slang term for “good.”

[Anonymous No.20062296]

>>20062182
Nah, nothing related to Gantz in structure at all. The characters aren't even transported back to 'the real world' after an event.

[Anonymous No.20062302]

>>20062199
You’re in for a good time anon though, like that other anon said, The Hobbit is also a good place to start.

[Anonymous No.20062308]

>>20062296
That's what happens with brief looks. It seemed like they were transported places and had to kill everything for it to be over.

[Anonymous No.20062317]

>>20062308
Yes. That is about as far as the similarities go although when I think of that theme, I don't immediately correlate it to Gantz.
You should read Psyren

[Anonymous No.20062366]

>>20060905
>>20061688
I liked the first 2, didn't care much for the 3rd one and gave up 4/5 of the way through the 4th one. What an awful nothing book. What went wrong?

[Anonymous No.20062381]

>>20062317
I tried reading that a long time ago and didn't care for it. I don't remember why. I've read/reading Gantz, Gantz G, and Gantz E, and the other short Gantz though. I haven't liked his other works. Gantz becomes kind of a mess, but that's fine.

[Anonymous No.20062400]

>>20062366
>What went wrong?
I'd guess it was the disconnect from your expectations and what you read. You thought you were reading a certain kind of story but it turned out that it wasn't that. I won't know until I read it myself though.

[Anonymous No.20062605]

Finally about to finish The Veiled Throne by Ken Liu then it's on to Moon Witch, Spider King by Marlon James. Not sure what to read after all that though, I have plenty of other books I've waiting to read but only a few fantasy/scifi books. Been taking my time because I don't want to run out of books. The one I'm on is finally getting really good, was a bit slow at first but it really pays off once you get a bit past the halfway mark. I've shilled for Ken Liu's Dandelion Dynasty series quite a bit here but It's definitely worth checking out.

[Anonymous No.20062613]

>>20062605
I read the first two books of Ken Lieu's Dandelion Dynasty and felt no real need to continue on. How does it progress after Wall of Storms that would convince me to keep going?

[Anonymous No.20062719]

>>20062613
If you didn't like the first two, then no need to continue.
Not that anon, but here's what I wrote.
>>/lit/thread/S19576492#p19582810

[Anonymous No.20062729]

>Of all the interesting characters and points of view in Malazan Erikson decides to base the sequel trilogy on… a boring zero personality barbarian

Not gonna lie this is sapping my desire to finish reading the main series.

[Anonymous No.20062772]

>>20062719
Seems like it takes a weird turn from where things were going in the first two books. I'm almost intrigued enough to keep going, but then I'd have to reread books 1 and 2 since I don't recall the details enough to pick up book 3.

[Anonymous No.20062775]

>>20062729
Karsa Orlong is not boring nor is he "zero personality", he has one of the best character arcs in the story.

[Anonymous No.20062779]

What do you look for in your own interpretation of "good" fantasy?

[Anonymous No.20062810]

>>20062775
me big barbarian
me strong
rooar

[Anonymous No.20062832]

>>20062772
Eh, you can read summaries, or just read it and see how much you remember. There's a lot of new characters and locations in the third book anyway. If it still bothers you, you can just stop.

[Anonymous No.20062838]

>>20062779
Nothing aside from that I enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.20062855]

>>20062775
>character arc
holy poggers, a character arc, just like my fanfics!!

[Anonymous No.20062868]

>>20062779
Over-use of cliches, or the thoughtless employment of them, can be annoying. This probably sounds really trite and obvious, but in a genre like fantasy cliches are sort of expected, and in a way, love of the genre is built on toleration or even fondness for certain cliches. However some hack authors take this to mean they can use whatever cliches they want however often they want, and without any attempt at finesse or originality. I start with cliches in abstract because I feel that a lot of the dos and don'ts of fantasy can be boiled down to talking about cliches you like vs those you hate, and that quickly becomes a very tedious list-making type of post. I'd rather talk about larger structure.

To that end, I really enjoy fantasy series that have a sense of mystery to them, in the setting, in the characters, and maybe in the plot as well. A big draw to fantasy for me is the intense feeling of curiosity when put in a new place, and wanting find out more about it and what happened there. Fantasy that can evoke this feeling tends to get high marks from me. There's a few ways you can accomplish this. An effective method is to constantly reference some mysterious event in the past but to not actually describe it in any real detail, at least at first, and instead talk about the far-reaching effects of the event, and convey its importance in how characters and places in the presence were shaped by it. Then steadily give me small scraps of concrete information, specific details, about it, and try to make these details change my perception of the event from the initial impact, and tie these revelations to the ongoing plot of the story. This makes the experience of reading the story extremely rewarding in terms of satisfying curiosity.

I think that revealing too much information about the world, too many secrets, is a mistake that too many authors make. I've seen it happen more than once, and it's killed my interest in a series as fast as anything else.

[Anonymous No.20062872]

>>20062855
maybe stick to reading isekai LNs

[Anonymous No.20062877]

>>20062855
What else do you call it when a character steadily changes over the course of a story, and whose character expresses a definite set of themes? Or are you just one of those aggressively anti-intellectual shitposters?

[Anonymous No.20062880]

>>20062810
Did you stop reading in book 4 or what?

[Anonymous No.20062917]

>>20062872
Ironic

[Anonymous No.20063026]

Fuck bros, I want to hug Jaime and tell him everything will be ok

[Anonymous No.20063085]

This book has the most amount of forced agenda driven woke shit I've ever encountered.
>pajeet lesbians and flamboyant trans main characters held down by judgemental parents and co-workers/bosses
>culture where men are doormats to female leaders
>villain is a comically evil misogynistic, homophobic, racist mustache-twirling white guy who plans to doom the multiverse in order to create his ideal world and start over with his handpicked human specimens
I've read most of Tchaikovsky's non-Shadows of the Apt books and never would've suspected he would stoop to this level, but looking at this twitter page, it's filled with the same kind of tranny politics intermingled with his public bug fetish. What a disappointment.

[Anonymous No.20063119]

>>20063085
>villain is a comically evil misogynistic, homophobic, racist mustache-twirling white guy who plans to doom the multiverse in order to create his ideal world and start over with his handpicked human specimens
so what makes him evil?

[Anonymous No.20063141]

>>20063119
Microaggressions.

[Anonymous No.20063259]

>>20061225
He writes a lot. Some people say the Mormon Church props him up, but I'm not sure that's true. Like him or not, the man keeps pumping out books and people keep reading him.

[Anonymous No.20063266]

>>20061690
That person knows way too much about BrandoSando's business. The only valid critiques are 1 and 7, the rest are the jeers of a slighted lover.

[Anonymous No.20063273]

>>20061254
Yes, they make slogging through mistborn era 1 worth it.

[Anonymous No.20063296]

>>20062138
>I'm so high off my own farts that the notion that I might learn a new word doesn't even cross my mind

[Anonymous No.20063376]

Esmenet, also known as the whore of Sumna, the seller of daughters, the black seed recepticle, the cuckolder of good men, the birther of monsters, the killer of Holy Shriah, and the ruiner of centuries old empires, is directly responsible for Second Apocalypse. Sweet Seju I fucking hate women!

[Anonymous No.20063604]

>>20063259
Haha yeah, Sanderson is too big to critique. We all know he can do no wrong.

[Anonymous No.20063609]

>>20063604
Do NOT critique Sanderson, a group of Mormon goons will knock on your door, worst mistake of my life

[Anonymous No.20063688]

>>20063609
Is mormonism so bad? Having a flock of sister-wives seems kind of based.

[Anonymous No.20063714]

>>20061254
Sure, if you enjoyed shit the first time.

[Anonymous No.20063740]

Is it bad if I read The Magicians and found Quentin very relatable?

[Anonymous No.20063925]

Do any of you even write anymore or did you just give up?

[Anonymous No.20063957]

>>20063925
/wg/ has more fantasy than anything.
>>20060901
Is there any novel that is StarCraft tier?

[Anonymous No.20063984]

>>20063740
Nah. The story was written specifically to appeal to Quentin's type after all. Just don't expect your own fucked up narnia to fall into your lap and help you find happiness.

[Anonymous No.20063992]

>>20063925
this is not the writefag thread

[Anonymous No.20064004]

Is there an actual difference between genre and literary fiction? I've read plenty of fantasy and science-fiction novels that deal with various political, philosophical, and religious themes, have masterful prose, etc. It just seems like an arbitrary distinction.

[Anonymous No.20064022]

>>20063688
Mormons in America are gigacucked and have been since the 40s. I'd say they're alt-Jews but they haven't got half the backbone.

[Anonymous No.20064047]

>>20062014
I've only read the first one and heard it gets better from here. I also plan to read past the original trilogy

[Anonymous No.20064080]

>>20064022
>>20063688
Mormons are far better at turning resources into kids and so the future will be theirs at this rate.

[Anonymous No.20064090]

>>20064004
>It just seems like an arbitrary distinction.
Pretty much. So many people read books to make themselves seem smarter so they draw lines wherever they can to differentiate themselves from anything that might harm their image.

[Anonymous No.20064148]

>>20061776
What is exactly is the problem with this? Do you not like the translation, the actual content of the chapter?

[Anonymous No.20064165]

>>20064080
Doesn't matter how many kids you have if you let globohomo raise them.

[Anonymous No.20064178]

>>20064165
Hard being a dad in a Globohomo world, you raise them to be chads but they get sissified and addicted to BBC, I will never be a father because its the most cucked thing you can do in globohomo world.

[Anonymous No.20064187]

>>20064178
>I will never be a father because its the most cucked thing you can do
*lights pipe*

[Anonymous No.20064193]

>>20064148
It reads like bad fanfiction written by an autistic teenager? Compare, Wolfe:

>The day of our patroness falls in the fading of winter. Then do we make merry:
the journeymen perform the sword dance in procession, leaping and fantastic; the
masters light the ruined chapel in the Grand Court with a thousand perfumed
candles, and we ready our feast.
>
>In the guild, the annual observance is counted as lofty (in which a journeyman
is elevated to mastership), lesser (in which one apprentice at least is created
journeyman), or least (in which no elevation takes place). Since no journeyman
rose to mastership in the year in which I was made a journeyman - which is not
to be wondered at, since such occasions are rarer than the decades - the
ceremony of my masking was a lesser feast.
>
>Even so, weeks were spent in preparation. I have heard it said that no less than
one hundred and thirty-five guilds have members laboring within the Citadel
walls. Of these, some (as we have seen among the curators) are too few to keep
their patron's feast in the chapel, but must join their brothers in the city.

[Anonymous No.20064211]

>>20064004
When you really boil it down to its essence, literary fiction is a term for books that have a large amount of scholarly debate around them. So in a way, it is arbitrary, because if enough literary scholars decide to start talking about, say, A Song of Ice and Fire, then A Song of Ice and Fire would be literary. It's unlikely that would happen though, because there's a certain type of book that is prone to attracting scholarly interest.

What interests scholars, or at least what sparks debates, is ambiguity in theme and meaning. Specifically, when this ambiguity can be tied to different theoretical frameworks that exist in literary criticism. None of this is really concrete stuff, it always comes back to the opinions of scholars.

So we get to genre fiction. Genres, by their definition, adhere to certain conventions and cliches, that's how they're recognized as being "part of the genre". This conformity of ideas makes them boring to literary scholars as a general rule, and moreover the sheer contrivance caused by the emphasis on cliched ideas sort of precludes any interesting ambiguity arising from the text. I'm speaking in generalities. There are, in fact, some scholars who have taken an interest in some examples of what is thought of as "genre fiction", which is why at the outset I specifically said "a large amount of scholarly debate" is what defines literary fiction. You can find the odd scholarly article about almost any kind of book, but you won't find a thriving academic community about genre authors.

[Anonymous No.20064230]

>>20064004
If there is some kind of "literary sci fi" or fantasy, it would probably be Wolfe or something.

[Anonymous No.20064241]

>>20064211
Oh, I completely left off the last part of this post, which is where I talk about "literary fiction" as a pseudo-genre. It's become a trend in the the last 50 years or so for authors to write in a "deliberately literary style". That is, they grasp for ambiguity and meaningfulness in a very obvious manner. Many scholars take the bait, unable to resist such easy article fodder. It's sort of a closed loop where the interest of scholars gives the wannabe-literati prestige, and the wannabes give the scholars steady work. I call this style of writing a pseudo-genre because if asked to name some conventions to define it, I'd struggle to make it longer than at most 2 or 3 very general trends, and that hardly constitutes a coherent genre. Yet these observable trends remain.

[Anonymous No.20064300]

>>20064193
Are you serious? Reverend insanity in a webnovel, it reads like one, but this? This has gone through jewish publisher how many times until it was published? also let's not forget that this is pozzed, yes POZZED (for the tranny mods if you missed it: P O Z Z E D), when a western author writes a story and a main character that is not POZZED then I will consider it.

[Anonymous No.20064301]

>>20064193
But Wolfe has excellent prose. It is not a fair comparison. I agree that the translation (or maybe the original) is not written well, though. I don't recall the prose being that bad.

[Anonymous No.20064340]

>Why we're reading this
>Because I'm on a thematic whim of a month-long US observances choices. This month is Women's History
>This month is Women's History
This is the goodreads group advertised in the op? What in the name of fuck is this shit? Is sffg turning into some reddit tier shithole? I am still on 4chan or am I on a fucking reddit?

[Anonymous No.20064373]

>>20064340
Nice reaction. You've made writing that worthwhile. I wasn't thinking of anything in particular when I impulsively wrote that. Thanks for the amusing response.

[Anonymous No.20064387]

>>20064004
The difference is that literary fiction takes anything that is good so as to shit on genre fiction. If the most fantasy style novel was published that had a massive literary impact, then suddenly, as if by magic, it would be categorized as literary instead of genre.

[Anonymous No.20064390]

>>20064340
This is shameful, this group needs to be taken out of the OP, it makes us look like a reddit shithole. This is fucking 4chan, not a Sanderson site for fucks sake.

[Anonymous No.20064394]

>>20064390
>>20064340
Oh no, is this Cancel Culture!?

[Anonymous No.20064399]

>>20064394
No, Based Culture!

[Anonymous No.20064408]

>>20064373
Are you a fag, a liberal, a tranny? What are you even doing here on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.20064412]

>>20064408
I've been here since around the time the site started. Have fun.

[Anonymous No.20064431]

Simply remove the group from the OP, if it makes the anons here ashamed then its the right thing to do.

[Anonymous No.20064455]

>>20063688
There are towns in Nevada/Arizona that are solely ran by Mormons who will kidnap your dumb naive ass if you go alone/with few people.

[Anonymous No.20064456]

>>20064412
this is an anonymous image board, we may not know your name or where you live but we do know that you are sjw tranny faggot.

[Anonymous No.20064461]

>>20064431
I second this, or replace it with a based group (no w*men books)

[Anonymous No.20064469]

>>20064456
He is left winged and sjw, that's for sure.

[Anonymous No.20064479]

>>20064340
This is the disgrace of the /sffg/ poster, I will not let this slide, we need to do something.

[Anonymous No.20064496]

our board has fallen from grace
once bakkerchads now trannies
so ashamed I can't show my face
once full of pride now wearing panties

[Anonymous No.20064516]

>>20061366
I read the first three in high school and they're good but didn't grab me. Want to read all of them with these new additions.
But, I did eventually read the Swords Trilogy, aka the Corum series, by Moorcock. It's a less grimdark Elric with more focus on wild adventures instead of moral decay and dark prophecy. It's fantastic and I highly recommend. Easily my favorite Moorcock so far.

[Anonymous No.20064523]

>>20064516
I wonder what Moorcock thinks of Elric spawning almost an entire archetype of characters.

[Anonymous No.20064539]

So what happened to his nautical flintlock fantasy story that tackled the horrors of colonialism?

[Anonymous No.20064568]

>>20064340
Imagine not wanting to read Left Hand of Darkness.
Get fucked chuds.

[Anonymous No.20064583]

>>20064539
there's something about this cunts face and mannerisms that makes me want to smash his skull until its bloody pulp on the ground

[Anonymous No.20064586]

>>20063740
I found him awful but relatable up until the end of the book where he retires from magic and takes the severance payout of a like 400k office job where he literally does nothing and then he has the balls to go on for pages about how "magic is an easy out, it doesn't really help anyone tho, I'm much happier being a common shclub and working for a living"

Mother fucker you DO NOTHING. You just told us you do nothing! You just sit there and get paid out the ass for DOING NOTHING and you got the gig THROUGH FUCKING MAGIC YOU ABSOLUTE MORON.

[Anonymous No.20064601]

itt chuds getting mad about books they never read

[Anonymous No.20064623]

>>20064586
Well, that may cause problems for you later.

>>20063740
The ending of the 2nd book is about Quentin being BTFO'd. Relevant excerpt, but there's a lot more.
“This isn’t how it ends!” Quentin said. “I am the hero of this goddamned story, Ember! Remember? And the hero gets the reward!”

As a note, he also wrote a few The Magicians short stories.

[Anonymous No.20064629]

>>20064623
Oops, I mixed up the replies, so switch them around.

[Anonymous No.20064635]

The Magicians tv series had an even lower opinion of Quentin. Warning, major spoiler: He's killed off.

[Anonymous No.20064643]

>>20064635
He also gets cucked supremely multiple times by multiple people.

[Anonymous No.20064646]

>>20064643
Yes, yes, he did.

[Anonymous No.20064650]

Malazan lore is actually really boring. What a disappointment

[Anonymous No.20064652]

>>20064539
Lost in his cavernous poopdeck :-(

[Anonymous No.20064655]

>>20064635
I watched few episodes, It was so bad, probably the worst tv show ever.

[Anonymous No.20064662]

>>20064655
I liked it better when they began ignoring the source material about 100% of the time. I watched it all. It was alright.

[Anonymous No.20064667]

>>20064568
>Imagine not wanting to read *women*
Based

[Anonymous No.20064673]

>>20064662
Then you have a shit taste or just plain retarded.

[Anonymous No.20064676]

>>20064673
Why not both?

[Anonymous No.20064683]

>>20064667
He is an SJW supreme trooner, he thinks only w*men books are worth reading.

[Anonymous No.20064695]

>>20060901
Any sci fi novels with space criminals/bandits? Something like a wild west in space, or something.

[Anonymous No.20064715]

>>20064568
If she's good, why read her because globohomo told you it's women's month? Read her anytime because she's good.

[Anonymous No.20064718]

>>20064650
Black Company lore sounds extremely interesting, I had no idea, but the prose itself doesn't hook me.

[Anonymous No.20064720]

>>20064715
It is just a reminder. The same reason I read a lot of black authors during Black History Month.

[Anonymous No.20064721]

>>20064715
It seems you missed the Black History Month pick last month. Don't worry, there are many more months left in the year to be thematically chosen.

[Anonymous No.20064722]

>>20064715
>w*men
>Good
This is the misery of the w*men reader.

[Anonymous No.20064734]

What are you guys’ thoughts on Progression Fantasy and LitRPGs? Is there any actual good stuff out there or is it all cringe YA shit?

[Anonymous No.20064739]

>>20064720
THIS IS DISGRACEFUL

[Anonymous No.20064743]

>>20064715
>>20064683
Why does this general have a Markov chain

[Anonymous No.20064755]

>>20064739
It was just a joke. Sorry, anon, I know I was over the line.

[Anonymous No.20064761]

>>20064734
No. Or not a lot. Which is sad, because I like the genre itself.

[Anonymous No.20064766]

>>20061129
Gonna have to go with Gormenghast

[Anonymous No.20064778]

>>20064720
Pozzed. No other word to describe such person.

[Anonymous No.20064787]

>>20064755
Oh thank Bakker, I was going to throw up.

[Anonymous No.20064807]

>>20064720
You need to be reminded that women write books?

[Anonymous No.20064848]

>>20064539
Hopefully it never releases because nautical flintlock fantasy sounds rad and I'd hate to even be tempted to read something this fuck wrote.

[Anonymous No.20064889]

>>20064848
This is the misery of the flintlock fantasy reader.

[Anonymous No.20064932]

>>20064848
>>20064889
>Reader: Hey you know what would be cool? Sharpe with wizards.
>Author: You said you wanted to deconstruct the patriarchy? I've got just the story in mind!
>Reader: N-no that's not what I said

[Anonymous No.20065022]

/sffg/ still haven't learned that you should write what you want to read. If you want to see something, write it. Be the change you want to see in the world.

[Anonymous No.20065030]

>>20065022
Which is why I'm writing my Arthurian xianxia story

[Anonymous No.20065033]

>>20065022
literally me if i ever write the book i want to
Which is why I'm writing my meta not-VN xianxia

[Anonymous No.20065035]

>>20064734
A lot of Progression Fantasy gets too caught up in the power creep, and loses sight of interesting stuff like plot, characters and the world. It's like when people think a magic system is all you need for a cool setting. It's neat, but it's not the reason people will stick with it.

[Anonymous No.20065041]

>>20065035

[Anonymous No.20065053]

>>20065041
Despite me saying that I actually really liked Cradle because progression fell by the wayside and it became more about the world and characters.

[Anonymous No.20065068]

>>20065053
>because progression fell by the wayside and it became more about the world and characters.
Yes, exactly typical western ya, dumb mc, two teenagers fall in love, and the world is full of strong independant women. Gald you likes it

[Anonymous No.20065070]

>>20065022
What if someone wants to write a w*man protagonist, that shouldn't be written honestly.

[Anonymous No.20065079]

>>20065068
>the world is full of strong independant women
DROPPED

[Anonymous No.20065086]

>>20065068
I didn't know cradle is this pozzed, I will now delete it from my kobo.

[Anonymous No.20065092]

Low IQ take: Achamian was cucked
High IQ take: through suffering Achamian earned the favor of Gods and upgraded to a younger version

[Anonymous No.20065094]

>still haven't read reaver
>still waiting for soulship 5
>still looking for another exciting xianxia to follow
a thousand li has been getting there so maybe more mainline stories will be finished now that author is done with his shit litrpg series

[Anonymous No.20065120]

>>20064932
Too real. This is the real reason few people try new authors. No one wants to get catfished with a cool story turning into gay twitter shit.

[Anonymous No.20065132]

>>20065092
This is the supremacy of the Bakker reader.

[Anonymous No.20065146]

Women are allowed to be characters in fiction.

[Anonymous No.20065161]

>>20065146
Get a load of this Simp.

[Anonymous No.20065171]

>>20065146
Sure, but they need to occupy their proper, sensible roles. Possible options:
>whores
>sex slaves
>waifs
>occasional witch
>priestess of a horny cult that gives birth to the luckiest Man alive

[Anonymous No.20065178]

I see he's back.

[Anonymous No.20065181]

>>20065171
Absolute supremacy, this is how its done.

[Anonymous No.20065182]

>>20065178
Just report him.

[Anonymous No.20065226]

Bakker poets entering the thread.

[Anonymous No.20065272]

>>20065146
No.

[Anonymous No.20065341]

Women has no place in adventure
Only in bed or in the kitchen cooking food
Their muscles soft and their meat is tender
No way a woman can beat a dood

[Anonymous No.20065342]

>>20065181

[Anonymous No.20065350]

He's all alone, he's confused. It's almost sad.

[Anonymous No.20065354]

>>20065341
Counterpoint: Yerin's arms may be weak individually but she can get up to 16 at a time.

[Anonymous No.20065356]

>>20065350
Just report him to put him out of his misery.

[Anonymous No.20065390]

>>20065354
Looking at this makes me realise that I can't remember if Lindon was ever properly described in the books. I feel like my brain just sort of defaulted to "good guy Zuko without the scar" and that's basically correct it seems.

[Anonymous No.20065433]

>>20065390
Why would he? He is just dumb whiteknighting character, his entire existence is meaningless, just a small filler between women scenes.

[Anonymous No.20065444]

>>20064720
You are an utter disgrace to your ancestors.

[Anonymous No.20065451]

>>20065390
He's described as being very large and menacing, actually. Everyone who sees him immediately thinks he's a bad guy.

[Anonymous No.20065472]

>>20065451
Yeah, I get that part. They mention specifically that his face makes him look like he's always picking a fight, but his actual features otherwise don't seem to get described. You can infer the dark hair because literally everybody except Eithan has that it seems, but it's still weird how little he's described.

[Anonymous No.20065487]

>>20061323
Lyonesse is a comfy, fairy-tale, almost plotless (but in the best way) romp through Jack Vance's most well-rounded worlds. It's my favourite Vance. You’ll read all three books and feel a void because nothing else is as fun.

[Anonymous No.20065499]

>>20065487
How much does Lyonesse tie into celtic myth and such?

[Anonymous No.20065566]

>>20065444
My ancestors are dead. Black culture is alive.

[Anonymous No.20065576]

>>20060901
I recently met this guy, he's great.

[Anonymous No.20065584]

>>20065576
classic dano

[Anonymous No.20065608]

>>20064715
I do, it's why I've already read Left Hand and can call you retarded for pitching a fit over it's selection. I don't follow the monthly picks cause I'm not a teenager and have already read almost all of them.

>>20064722
Imagine missing out on based Le Guin because your retarded ingroup-signalling prejudices are more important to you than reading good books.

[Anonymous No.20065618]

>>20065608
Anon, just ignore them. All they’re doing is shitting up the thread. There’s no point in replying to them.

[Anonymous No.20065620]

>>20065608
I’ve always avoided her work specifically because she’s a woman author. Is it actually good?

[Anonymous No.20065636]

>>20065608
>I don't follow the monthly picks
Then you should take your adult meds cause I wasn't talking to you.

[Anonymous No.20065637]

>>20065620
no

[Anonymous No.20065669]

>>20065022
>/sffg/ still haven't learned that you should write what you want to read. If you want to see something, write it. Be the change you want to see in the world
Idk the industry just seems fucked atm. There’s a million million YA books and web serials out there all doing the same thing and competing for Patreon bucks.

To get published nowadays you pretty much need to be a dyed hair wxman

The more ”standard” fantasy audience is all sucked up by Sanderson. That guy puts out an insane amount of books so there’s little reason for his audience to ever venture out beyond his books.

The people who would have bought fantasy books back in the day just play video games now. The market is a tiny fraction of what it once was.

[Anonymous No.20065702]

>>20062613
Like I said it starts off a bit slow and picks up the pace in the last half, I really enjoy the series because it seems to always favor the underdog. There is a pretty great navel battle in the beginning of Wall of Storms though, and a pretty interesting contest near the end of the book. There are a few new characters in the book that seem like they will play a pretty big part in how everything gets wrapped up, the best parts of the book in my opinion are what takes place in the navel battle, the scrublands with the Agon people and princess Thara, and the contest near the end of the book. The fourth book there will most likely be plenty of action/ battles and all that and for me that's the main draw of the story.

[Anonymous No.20065723]

might as well post here.
anyone here like willy d? he just turned away from his 3 novel rule and its fucking happening.
super sales on super heroes is getting a direct sequel.
sauce:
https://kemono.party/patreon/user/3529775/post/63783585

[Anonymous No.20065724]

>>20065669
Sanderson sucks to be honest, any hack could write better slop than he could. The real question is if they could market better than Sanderson? The answer to that is probably not. Of course unless you have a larger cult than Mormons to back your mediocre writings.

[Anonymous No.20065738]

>>20065669
>The people who would have bought fantasy books back in the day just play video games now. The market is a tiny fraction of what it once was.
Patently untrue. Reading fantasy--once the cultural domain of outcasts--has been normalized. Furthermore I would argue the stagnancy of the landscape presents an opportunity for an aspiring author capable of breaking the mold.

Specifically, I am certain there is a vast, unfulfilled appetite for more character-driven fantasy a la ASOIAF. Character work is historically the weakest facet of the genre.

Sanderson is white hot right now, but I suspect his star will wane in several years. His work is far too homogenous to hold the world's attention for very long.

[Anonymous No.20065744]

>>20065738
I forgot pic related

[Anonymous No.20065745]

>>20065738
>the world
>redditors

[Anonymous No.20065756]

>>20065744
damn they already sold books 6 years in advance

[Anonymous No.20065757]

>>20065744
Mystery is so big? Where the hell is the Mystery general then?

[Anonymous No.20065773]

>>20065757
4chan is not a microcosm of general society.

[Anonymous No.20065801]

>>20065757
What's mystery supposed to be? Detective stories and the like? Or supernatural stories?

[Anonymous No.20065855]

>>20065801
it's an extremely broad category

[Anonymous No.20065858]

Can anyone name a book that made you feel like you were exploring a world? I have been enjoying Elden Ring and wondering if you can get a similar sense of the early-game exploration from the written word. Specifically a focus on locations and anomalies of nature.

Are the Clark Ashton Smith books mentioned earlier like this? The closest I've come is BOTNS, which the formaldehyde lake and likeness of Typhon carved into a mountain. The trash piles and lakefolk who drift around on their islands. That gigantic cliff he climbs down and the cave with the ape-men in it. It struck a good balance between generic and out-there-whack-zany ideas that was exactly what I was looking for.

[Anonymous No.20065886]

>>20065801
Yeah like Detective stories. Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, Agatha Christie, Sue Grafton, John Grisham and shit. I'm pretty sure it subsumes the 'thriller' subgenre.

There's a whole nother pulp-fiction world over there.

[Anonymous No.20065900]

>>20065744
Romance and Mystery, the two big genres still going strong. Interestingly these are also the genres that have the highest prevalence of ebook sales, I believe, with fantasy and sci-fi trailing after. The theory I heard one guy talk about was that these are books people don't necessarily want to be seen reading, due to the stigma attached to them, so having them in a format where people can't tell what is being read is why they're so popular on the new platforms compared to other genres.

[Anonymous No.20065967]

>>20065858
Malazan is excellent at this, but is very dense by fantasy standards.

[Anonymous No.20065972]

>>20065451
Part of that is due to his Goldsign being manifested through the eyes, making them red(?).

[Anonymous No.20065996]

>>20064455
A-and what will they do with me?

[Anonymous No.20066000]

>>20065996
rape correction

[Anonymous No.20066006]

>>20065608
>Imagine missing out on based Le Guin because
it's like the third time you call him out for that even though that's not what he complained about at all

[Anonymous No.20066010]

>>20065996
You know.

[Anonymous No.20066024]

I stgggggg these 30 yo white males....

[Anonymous No.20066033]

>>20066024
>elliot

[Anonymous No.20066050]

>>20066024
Modern americans look so ethnically indeterminate its actually making me uncomfortable

[Anonymous No.20066058]

This general is incapable of having book discussion due to all the shitposters.

[Anonymous No.20066075]

>>20066058
what's there to discuss?

[Anonymous No.20066079]

>>20066075
Books, but we can't do that without shitposters posting off-topic bullshit.

[Anonymous No.20066080]

>>20066079
What books?

[Anonymous No.20066081]

>>20065620
She's better than many but she carries a gender resentment that you probably could have tolerated at the time but would be so, so tired of now.

[Anonymous No.20066082]

>>20066079
Just report them, it’s that easy, instead of complaining about it.

[Anonymous No.20066085]

>spend years honing your craft
>write your meticulously researched and well written fantasy book
>get a publishing deal
>book comes out
>sells 30 copies
>you now owe the publisher a million dollars from your advance

or

>nobody signs you
>you are now lost in the sea of selfpub titles, good look climbing out

or

>you try to go the e-beggar Patreon route
>you sacrifice every ounce of quality in order to become another soulless YA drone who has to pump out a chapter a week in order to keep people interested
>on top of that you get canceled on twitter for male gaze or whatever
>your Patreon brings in a whopping $400 a month before Patreon’s cut and before taxes

[Anonymous No.20066092]

>>20066085
Okay, and we care why? Take this shot to /wg/.

[Anonymous No.20066099]

New thread
>>20066096

[Anonymous No.20066100]

>>20066085
>>>/wg/

[Anonymous No.20066102]

>>20066092
Anytime anyone wants to talk about anything productive it's always "take it to wg"

[Anonymous No.20066110]

>>20066102
Because /wg/ is the writing general that talks about writing and publishing.

[Anonymous No.20066111]

It's a great day when we have TWO /sffg/s clogging up the front page.

[Anonymous No.20066120]

>>20066111
You know what’s even better? Reporting the shitposters so they don’t shit up the thread.

[Anonymous No.20066124]

>>20065744
There is no way literary fiction is that high in sales, or people who buy it aren't reading it. That's at least the sentiment I was taught by my literature professor who thought no one read poetry or literary novels anymore. But I guess literariness just means black chicana lesbian fiction now.

[Anonymous No.20066132]

>>20066099
And the bakkerfag is back and shitting up the thread.

[Anonymous No.20066137]

>>20066092
>>20066100
Take your meds

[Anonymous No.20066140]

>>20060905
>book clearly isn't very good by own admission, with many glaring issues
>rates it highly because of the novelty of it being an unnecessarily long slog unlike most competently written books

[Anonymous No.20066151]

Turns out it's not only Sanderson.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/author-will-wight/fantasy-novels-cradle-1-3-by-will-wight
Fantasy Novels: Cradle (1-3) by Will Wight
Help fund limited-editions, regular hardcovers, and paperbacks from the New York Times and #1 Amazon Bestselling Author Will Wight

[Anonymous No.20066156]

>>20066137
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.20066157]

>>20066140
Nice intentional misreading.

[Anonymous No.20066172]

>>20066151
This is sad. I'd rather ignore it.

[Anonymous No.20066176]

>>20066151
It was the next day too, right? Weird timing.

[Anonymous No.20066177]

>>20066151
dont both amazon and apple books offer print on demand services that do pocket books and hardcovers?

[Anonymous No.20066182]

>>20066176
Addendum: He made an embarrassing parody video of Sanderson's.

[Anonymous No.20066193]

>>20066177
>apple books printing
Wut

[Anonymous No.20066198]

>>20066124
Murakami has sold 2.5 million copies of his novels in America alone.

There's a huge market for *accessible* literary fiction. Perhaps your professor has been embittered by his own failure.

[Anonymous No.20066207]

>>20065146
LMAO

[Anonymous No.20066213]

>>20066198
Murakami isn't what I think of when I think of literary fiction...

[Anonymous No.20066219]

>>20066193
my bad i was thinking of kobo which started doing print on demand too.
no idea why was thinking of apple.

[Anonymous No.20066229]

>>20066124
Of course literary works sell. People just buy and read the old classics everybody's heard of and maybe read in highschool. Nobody cares about recent shit.

[Anonymous No.20066237]

>>20066198
Is that supposed to be a lot? That dude is a legendary author and that’s all his body of work managed to sell?

A single indie game made by one dude 2+ million copies. He then hired a handful of people, made a sequel to that game, and the sequel has sold over 10 million copies on 1 single platform alone.

Honestly why the would would anyone write books for a living in this day and age lol. Much better to tell a story via video games.

[Anonymous No.20066241]

>>20066229
The graph had a separate bubble for "Other (classics)" so I assumed it was contemporary or modern literary works in the other bubble.

[Anonymous No.20066253]

>>20066085
Sir, this is sffg, not /wg/.

[Anonymous No.20066255]

>>20066237
2.5 million is a lot. You sound like a brat. Go play your video games.

[Anonymous No.20066257]

>>20066100
And the new thread already has bakkerfags derailing it.

[Anonymous No.20066258]

>>20066237
>using an uncommon anecdote from another genre to support your point
lol

[Anonymous No.20066261]

>>20060905
Brandon Sanderson is of particular interest for the moment. He has an especially active and dedicated fanbase willing to both promote and support him in meaningful ways. His Kickstarters have shown that. Does Sanderson deserve his success? That depends on your personal values. I say it doesn't matter. He's tolerable and doesn't create problems. Some have argued that not actively solving problems makes you the problem, but that's outside the scope of what I've written. I think some of those who are disappointed with The Cosmere approach it in unsuitable ways. The Cosmere is not a puzzle. A person solves a puzzle to see what couldn't be originally seen. The Cosmere is more like a trove of Easter eggs. It's also a marketing tactic.

There are many people who have unfortunate expectations when it comes to popular works. Some expect that this means they'd enjoy it as well, but individuals are not an aggregate. Often people create expectations that were never intended. The more influential someone is, the more others will want to direct that influence towards their preferences. If that influence cannot be co-opted then it must be mitigated as much as possible. What obligations does success bring? For many there seems to be many. Not the least of which is that those who are very vocal in media of any sort have a tendency to reduce everything to a culture war. All becomes a matter of providing or denying social capital.

Almost all countries have a market economy. What sells is what people want to buy. If the most popular cultural products didn't exist, that wouldn't mean that people would suddenly engage with more your preferred works in far greater numbers. It's rather difficult to force someone to enjoy something in any sincere way if they wouldn't on their own. Cultural arbiters exist, but they often aren't concerned with anything other than their own aggrandizement. Too often they're also cults of personality. Increasingly we live in a parasocial age. None of this would be a problem if people weren't so emotionally invested. For many though the entire purpose of whatever they engage with is to integrate it as part of their personal identity. I find this to be very undesirable though understandable.

Being a successful author in the current year isn't about only writing. You have to convince people to read you. Marketing alone isn't sufficient. You have to be a brand unto yourself and allow your readers to feel like they have a personal connection to you. You have to have support from many. Your work still has to be enjoyed as well. Limitless content relative to a person's lifespan exists. Why should they spend any time with yours? Even if authors were freed from commercial restraints, popular restraints would still exist. Many would still want to have as many people as possible engage with their work. Niche content may proliferate though, even more than it does now.

[Anonymous No.20066270]

>>20066257
Just report them.

[Anonymous No.20066275]

>>20066258
Bro? Every single week there’s a new indie game trending and selling hundreds of thousands of copies thanks to Streamer culture.

[Anonymous No.20066282]

>>20066275
Bro? Every single day, hundreds of new games are put up for sale and the ocean grows ever bigger.

[Anonymous No.20066283]

>>20066275
Pretty sure he's a boomer and doesn't understand what a Streamer is.

[Anonymous No.20066289]

>>20066237
Are video games able to even tell a proper linear story?

[Anonymous No.20066304]

>>20066289
Do you even play videogames?
What does "proper" even mean?

[Anonymous No.20066306]

>>20066289
Yes, since Silent hill 2

[Anonymous No.20066312]

>>20066289
Stop playing your Atari 2600 old man.

[Anonymous No.20066313]

>>20066289
There are tons of nonlinear books.

[Anonymous No.20066321]

>>20066270
What's the point if no one else does?

[Anonymous No.20066329]

>>20066321
Righteous self-satisfaction

[Anonymous No.20066331]

>>20066304
Yes, I play CRPGs (Disco Elysium, PoE, Tyranny, etc) and Starcraft II and the stories are shit in the main campaigns.
>>20066313
Like BS Johnson's one book? Lol

[Anonymous No.20066340]

>>20066282
99.99% of those are extremely low effort. The point is, the chance of success is orders of magnitude higher in the indie game space. You are actually rewarded for putting effort into your game. If your game was carefully crafted and is compelling, there’s a very high chance people WILL notice. Word of mouth travels extremely fast in the gaming world.

In the publishing world you have to jump through a million hoops before your book even has a chance of seeing the light of day, no matter how hard you worked on it. And even then it will most likely get buried because you aren’t the right type of person. Ever looked at the Hugo award nominees from the last 4 years?

[Anonymous No.20066341]

>>20066331
Were you expecting literary fiction?

[Anonymous No.20066349]

>>20066340
And that's not to mention the absolute trash that a random author has somehow gotten published into a massive hit, so it almost feels like quality doesn't even matter.

[Anonymous No.20066350]

>>20066341
I've started reading plenty of Sci Fi and Fantasy, so it's not like I turn my nose at other genres. Literary fiction is usually a misnomer from pseuds and dilettantes. I just like good stories. The fact is that video games mimic cinema more than anything, and usually the plot lines get convoluted because it's weaving in and out of gameplay and player choices.

[Anonymous No.20066442]

>>20066099
>Some anons trying to have a conversation.
>Mentally Ill retard just repeating Bakker over and over
Christ, just ban that shitposter.

[Anonymous No.20066489]

>>20066442
I honestly thought the mods ban him yesterday with his spamming bullshit.

[Anonymous No.20066497]

>>20066489
I think he just ban evades.

[Anonymous No.20066513]

>>20066497
Got the same feeling as well, or he has a dynamic IP

[Anonymous No.20066527]

>>20066497
That shit is so sad if he does. That guy clearly has nothing going for him in his life if he would rather shitpost and try and kill a general instead.

[Anonymous No.20066533]

>>20065967
Could you give a pitch about it?

[Anonymous No.20066573]

>>20066497
All he does is post low effort replies about pozzed or bakker, I'm surprised the jannies haven't done what other boards do to remove such cancer.

[Anonymous No.20066586]

>>20066573
You have to go to irc and talk to one of the mods about it and maybe they’ll do something

[Anonymous No.20066608]

>>20066586
I thought I had to go to feedback.

[Anonymous No.20066612]

>>20066608
Nobody reads that lol. All the mods are on irc, and you have to PM them and explain what’s going on

[Anonymous No.20066617]

>>20066586
Unless it's considered a 'cultural phenomenon' of course!

[Anonymous No.20066635]

>>20066612
Link me the site, I'll do it.

[Anonymous No.20066644]

>IRC
>site

[Anonymous No.20066655]

>>20066099
The bakkerschizo is now just replying to itself.

[Anonymous No.20066669]

>>20066635
You need an irc client to do it (like mIRC)
Then you join the rizon server @ irc.rizon.com
Then you /msg NickServ register password email to you register your chosen nick
Then once you’re identified, join #4chan
Then message one of the mods (look for @ symbols)
Then you pray that they read your message and aren’t too busy erping with each other to help you

[Anonymous No.20066672]

>>20066655
> the respected author even figured out how Sanderson write so quickly
So the Bakkerschizo is ESL, huh? I wonder where from.

[Anonymous No.20066674]

>>20066669
irc.rizon.net*

[Anonymous No.20066676]

>>20066655
17 posts from my estimates.
>>20066672
From a country that has Dynamic IP, probably from South East Asia.

[Anonymous No.20066686]

>>20066676
Oh, are they the one posting cultivation garbage too, or is that someone else?

[Anonymous No.20066692]

>>20066686
Someone else, and that was a response from the Bakkerspam.

[Anonymous No.20066704]

>>20066635
Kek, seething

[Anonymous No.20066712]

>>20066672
All we know about him is that he hates it when people try to discuss book on /sffg/. He starts spamming.

[Anonymous No.20066729]

>>20066489
>>20066513
>>20066527
>>20066573
>>20066586
>>20066608
>>20066612
>>20066635
>>20066655
>>20066672
>>20066676
>>20066692
>>20066712

[Anonymous No.20066785]

>>20065620
Yes she's great. Sometimes too dry, Dispossessed particularly, but mostly she's great.

[Anonymous No.20066910]

>>20066669
>Then you pray that they read your message and aren’t too busy erping with each other to help you
Honestly, already in, but what do I say?

[Anonymous No.20066927]

>>20066910
You say "hey please come babysit /sffg/ because we let one retarded shitposter derail every thread instead of just ignoring him"

[Anonymous No.20066934]

>>20066729
Bakkerfag, level with us, do you have a life?

[Anonymous No.20066951]

>>20066927
>Letting the spamming do whatever he wants.
Nah, fuck off. Guy actually kills any and all discussions. He should IP range ban for his stupid behavior.

[Anonymous No.20067085]

>>20066910
“I’m from x general and there’s a shitposter who spends all day shitposting and spamming the thread with the same troll posts every single day”

Link him some of the schizo’s posts as well

[Anonymous No.20067113]

>>20067085
Why just one person? Why not more? Wouldn’t that take it seriously?