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[Anonymous No.20050333]

>beating women with a whip...GOOD!
>beating horses with a whip...BAD!
why was he like this?

[Anonymous No.20050342]

He was correct.

[Anonymous No.20050351]

>>20050333
>>beating women with a whip...GOOD!
he never said that

[Anonymous No.20050355]

>>20050351
Proof?

[Anonymous No.20050360]

>OP thinks memes are a substitute for actually reading a book
This is what constant refreshing does to you, anons. Pay attention.

[Anonymous No.20050361]

>beating men with a whip...UWU CHOKE ME MOMMY SALOMÉ

[Anonymous No.20050363]

>>20050355
Proof?

[Anonymous No.20050364]

>>20050351
>noooooooo but my transexual professor said there is actually ultra deep secret feminist meaning here that BTFOs rightoids!

[Anonymous No.20050371]

>>20050363
Do you have any evidence to suggest that there is even a minute fraction of truth within your suggestion that i may need to give you a crumble of proof, dear esquire?

[Anonymous No.20050375]

>>20050360
Thank you for the heads up, anon :)

[Anonymous No.20050390]

>>20050364
yes, so one can hand it to her and satiate the femdom fetish that is apparent in all of nietzsche's works

[Anonymous No.20050629]

>>20050390
If Nietzsche was alive today he'd be a monster girl fag.

[Anonymous No.20050648]

>>20050360
Hyperreality

[Anonymous No.20050658]

>>20050390
Mommmmm I'm only into femdom for antinomian tantric reasons that bely my underlying traditionalist patriarchal views!

[Anonymous No.20050716]

>Socrates is wrong because he's...ugly!!!

[Anonymous No.20050738]

>The feeble and as it were feminine dissatisfied people have ingenuity for beautifying and deepening life; the strong dissatisfied people—the masculine persons among them, to continue the metaphor—have the ingenuity for improving and safeguarding life. The former show their weakness and feminine character by willingly letting themselves be temporarily deceived, and perhaps even by putting up with a little ecstasy and enthusiasm on a time, but on the whole they are never to be satisfied, and suffer from the incurability of their dissatisfaction; moreover they are the patrons of all those who manage to concoct opiate and narcotic comforts, and just on that account averse to those who value the physician higher than the priest,—they thereby encourage the continuance of actual distress! If there had not been a surplus of dissatisfied persons of this kind in Europe since the time of the Middle Ages, the remarkable capacity of Europeans for constant transformation would perhaps not have originated at all; for the claims of the strong dissatisfied persons are too gross, and really too modest to resist being finally quieted down. China is an instance of a country in which dissatisfaction on a grand scale and the capacity for transformation have died out for many centuries; and the Socialists and state-idolaters of Europe could easily bring things to Chinese conditions and to a Chinese "happiness," with their measures for the amelioration and security of life, provided that they could first of all root out the sicklier, tenderer, more feminine dissatisfaction and Romanticism which are still very abundant among us. Europe is an invalid who owes her best thanks to her incurability and the eternal transformations of her sufferings; these constant new situations, these equally constant new dangers, pains, and make-shifts, have at last generated an intellectual sensitiveness which is almost equal to genius, and is in any case the mother of all genius.

[Anonymous No.20050756]

>>20050333
Reason is not a human faculty.

[Anonymous No.20050764]

>>20050716
He was strong though, and strength in physique is beautiful.
I think even if Socrates wasn’t perfectly handsome that his beautiful physique would have at least made him more attractive than not.

[Anonymous No.20050807]

>>20050629
Based

[Anonymous No.20050841]

>>20050716
Doesn't that make Socrates the Uebermensch by Nietzshe's standards, if he contains every impulse and instinct within himself but has mastered them all?

[Anonymous No.20050855]

>>20050355
>>20050364
The quote is from Thus Spoke Zarathustra:

Then the little old woman replied to me: “Much that is sweet Zarathus-
tra has said, and especially for those who are young enough for it.
Peculiar, though, that Zarathustra knows women only little, and yet he
is right about them! Does this happen because with women nothing is
impossible?
And now, by way of thanks, accept a little truth! Surely I am old enough
for it!
Bundle it up and hold its mouth shut, or else it will cry out too loudly,
this little truth.”
“Give me your little truth, woman!” I said. And thus spoke the little
old woman:
“You go to women? Do not forget the whip!”

The quote is delivered by an old women, not by Zarathustra. While it is fair to treat Zarathustra as Nietzsche's mouthpiece, the fact that is is given by an external character (and a woman no less) raises the question of whether Nietzsche (fully) endorses. Also, it gets undercut in "The Other Dance Song" where Zarathustra fails to make Life (personified as a woman) dance to the beat of his whip:

I am truly tired of always playing your sheepish shepherd pal! You
witch, if I have so far sung for you, now you for me will – yell!
To the beat of my whip you will dance so and yell so! But did I forget
the whip? – Oh no! –

Then life answered me like this and covered her dainty little ears:
“Oh Zarathustra! Please do not crack your whip so fearfully! Surely you
know: noise murders thoughts – and just now the most tender thoughts
are coming to me.

[Anonymous No.20051056]

*debunks Nietzsche*

[Anonymous No.20051072]

>>20050390

Neech was such a coomer that Wagner thought his constant crippling headaches were due to masturbation.

[Anonymous No.20051083]

>>20050333
Horses don't act as a corrosive solvent to the very fabric of civilisation, but women with political and property rights do.

[Anonymous No.20051112]

>>20050333
Women like it, horses don't.

[Anonymous No.20051117]

Horse >> w*man. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.20051137]

>>20050855
Chuds BTFO once again..

[Anonymous No.20051149]

Horses > Women

[Anonymous No.20051301]

>beating my dick till i cum...BASED

[Anonymous No.20051550]

>>20050333
a horse cant help but be a horse, whatever the horse do is still horse thing forever. but a woman can either be an 'alright' woman, or a 'not alright' woman, therefore the whip is necessary, even more than for the horse.

[Anonymous No.20051843]

>>20050361
>>20050855
>>20050333
“The line that has long served to persuade readers that Nietzche was an outrageous misogynist. Probably nearly everyone who has ever read that line has assumed that it is the man who holds the whip. When one looks at the photograph and sees who is in fact wielding the whip there, however, one must admit that Nietzsche’s point in the book is ambiguous… That is, it appears that Nietzsche had administered a Rorschach test that may reveal more about his readers than about himself.”
-From The Disappearance of God

[Anonymous No.20051924]

>>20051843
>He was simply pretending to be retarded, haha he trolled you

[Anonymous No.20051936]

>>20051843
I don't know why that is considered his most controversial line about women because there are far more misogynistic statements in his aphorisms, where he is speaking in his own voice and not Zarathustra's.

[Anonymous No.20051939]

>>20050351
Sir, this is a wojak thread.

[Anonymous No.20052005]

>>20051936
I’ll be honest with you lad, I haven’t read a lick of Nietzsche. I just came across that passage while reading The Disappearance of God like 2 years ago, and it’s Old Reliable when it comes to shutting down college lesbians who want to call Nietzsche a misogynist. Works every time.

[Anonymous No.20052123]

>>20050333
>>beating women with a whip...GOOD!
"You want, if possible—and there is no more fantastic “if possible”—to do away with suffering. What about us? It does seem that we would prefer it to be even higher and worse than it ever was! Well being, the way you understand it—that is no goal. To us that looks like an end, a condition which immediately makes human beings laughable and contemptible—something which makes their destruction desirable! The discipline of suffering, of great suffering—don’t you realize that up to this point it is only this suffering which has created every enhancement in man up to now? That tension of a soul in misery which develops its strength, its trembling when confronted with great destruction, its inventiveness and courage in bearing, holding out against, interpreting, and using unhappiness, and whatever has been conferred upon it by way of profundity, secrecy, masks, spirit, cunning, and greatness—has that not been given to it through suffering, through the discipline of great suffering? In human beings, creature and creator are united. In man is material stuff, fragments, excess, clay, mud, nonsense, chaos, but in man there is also creator, artist, hammer hardness, the divinity of the spectator and the seventh day—do you understand this contrast? And do you understand that your pity for the “creature in man” is for what must be formed, broken, forged, torn apart, burned, glow, purified—for what must necessarily suffer and should suffer? And our pity—don’t you understand for whom our reverse pity matters, when it protects itself against your pity as against the most wretched of all mollycoddling and weakness?—And thus pity against pity!—"

"Ah, where in the world have there been greater follies than with the pitiful? And what in the world hath caused more suffering than the follies of the pitiful?
Woe unto all loving ones who have not an elevation which is above their pity!
Thus spake the devil unto me, once on a time: “Even God hath his hell: it is his love for man.”
And lately, did I hear him say these words: “God is dead: of his pity for man hath God died.”—
So be ye warned against pity: From thence there yet cometh unto men a heavy cloud! Verily, I understand weather-signs!
But attend also to this word: All great love is above all its pity: for it seeketh—to create what is loved!
“Myself do I offer unto my love, and my neighbour as myself”—such is the language of all creators.
All creators, however, are hard.—"


Suffering ensures the growth and deepening of one's personality. The point of the "whip" is that Zarathustra actually tends to be mindlessly compassionate to women, while the most *actually* compassionate thing would be to be cruel to them.

[Anonymous No.20052136]

>>20050333
>>20050364
>You go to women? Do not forget the whip!
Nietzsche's work is composed almost entirely of filters, and you got filtered at one of the easier ones.

>>20050390
Nietzsche INSISTED that the photograph be staged this way, with him as the horse, Lou Salome with the whip, and his romantic rival for Salomes affections, Paul Ree, as the man.
It seeps from every single aspect of his being.

[Anonymous No.20052152]

>>20052123
>while the most *actually* compassionate thing would be to be cruel to them
Addendum: i.e. to treat women the way Zarathusta advises to treat your friends. Without leniency.

"One ought still to honour the enemy in one’s friend. Canst thou go nigh unto thy friend, and not go over to him?
In one’s friend one shall have one’s best enemy. Thou shalt be closest unto him with thy heart when thou withstandest him.
<...>
Let thy pity be a divining: to know first if thy friend wanteth pity. Perhaps he loveth in thee the unmoved eye, and the look of eternity.
Let thy pity for thy friend be hid under a hard shell; thou shalt bite out a tooth upon it. Thus will it have delicacy and sweetness"

"If, however, thou hast a suffering friend, then be a resting-place for his suffering; like a hard bed, however, a camp-bed: thus wilt thou serve him best.
<...>
Thus speaketh all great love: it surpasseth even forgiveness and pity"