/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.20048986]

Dragons of Morgoth edition

Previous Thread:>>20042790

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[Anonymous No.20049034]

What're some good /sffg/ novellas/short stories?

[Anonymous No.20049072]

>>20048986
I like Sanderson, but I don't love him. His work is deliberately mass market, and that's fine with me. His characters are solid, believable and relatable, but lack any true inspiration that might make them great. This basically sums up Sanderson in a nutshell. He's not a genius; he's a master craftsman who has honed his skill through decades of genuine dedication and application.

He gets major ups for his prolificity, and ability to mechanically shit out thousands of pages of accessible, entertaining prose, though his work will never approach real genius.

I also like how Stormlight is a morally constructive story. I tired of edgy grimdark nihilistic fantasy a decade ago.

[Anonymous No.20049099]

>>20049072
I'll be honest, I pictured Parshendi entirely differently because I am terrible at working out what descriptions actually mean sometimes. I tend to have an issue with not remembering character descriptions, especially when they're only really a thing brought up once or twice (for a Stormlight example it took me quite some time to realise Adolin had multi-coloured hair, and I just didn't really have a mental image of Kaladin until I saw some artwork). It's not that I don't have a mind's eye or anything, it's just I can't usually composite from description to character that easily.

[Anonymous No.20049141]

Aspect-King of /sffg/

[Anonymous No.20049147]

>>20049099
Whenever I get to a character description I pause myself and try to create a well defined mental image because i know that character descriptions don’t usually happen twice. I’ll follow the author’s descriptions well enough unless it’s ugly people fuck ugly people im not gonna imagine some ugly ass cuck.

[Anonymous No.20049161]

>>20049099
I get that. I had a phase when I was in my teens of having to imagine characters as either cartoons or "casting" real life people I knew as the main characters. I've always had awful spatial awareness, which probably has something to do with it. I've grown better at it through active exertion as I've gotten older.

[Anonymous No.20049168]

space cats

[Anonymous No.20049171]

>>20049141
Bakker is just another potentially brilliant author bogged down by atheistic and outright moral degeneracy.

[Anonymous No.20049190]

>>20049147
I should try that myself. It doesn't help when the characters AREN'T actually described (which seems to be a shockingly frequent occurrence, especially in first-person novels, I'll often have zero idea what the protagonist looks like) but it's something to keep in mind.
>>20049161
I don't really imagine them as people, personally, moreso as drawings. I rarely imagine 'full scenes', moreso stills, because books aren't a very 'animated' narration. But very often my own imagination will just have blank spots that my brain will either autofill or just leave empty for some character details (like I knew Kaladin's outfit I could visualise that decently, but where his face should be my brain just kinda drew a blank).

[Anonymous No.20049192]

Have you read the Gospel of Benefits?

[Anonymous No.20049195]

>>20049072
He is the Stephen King of fantasy

[Anonymous No.20049198]

[Anonymous No.20049202]

>>20049171
>atheistic and outright moral degeneracy
>Gods are manifestly real in Bakker's works
>the central theme of entire saga is damnation
>the worship of science and logic is portrayed as monstrous dissolution of identity leading to madness and anal sex

[Anonymous No.20049210]

>>20049195
You do know that King wrote 8 part epic fantasy series, right? Like 3 of those were even decent

[Anonymous No.20049248]

>>20049171
Imagine Bakker's prose and philosophy inside a Tolkien ethical frame. Would be pure gold.

[Anonymous No.20049268]

>>20049248
What the fuck is "Tolkiens ethical frame" and how it differs from Bakker's?

[Anonymous No.20049311]

>>20049202
>cuckolding
>sex monsters that feed on rape
>female characters that exist to fuck
>atheistic messaging
There is no beauty to the story Bakker is telling. It's all degeneracy.

[Anonymous No.20049319]

Read me, bitches

[Anonymous No.20049324]

>>20049190
>my own imagination will just have blank spots that my brain will either autofill or just leave empty for some character details (like I knew Kaladin's outfit I could visualise that decently, but where his face should be my brain just kinda drew a blank).
By any chance are you on the spectrum? I'm not trying to be a dick I'm genuinely curious

[Anonymous No.20049326]

Describing Sanderson as "anime" is semantically bankrupt at best.

[Anonymous No.20049346]

>>20049311
Stop posting dumb shit, you didn't read Bakker, you're parroting the memes.

[Anonymous No.20049348]

>>20049324
I am, in fact. Asperger's, which doesn't usually have much of a face-blindness problem or whatever. It's not that I can't visualise, it's just I have to really kind of focus to put a face together for a book character, otherwise there's nothing really there, or it just kinda defaults to something 'close enough'. Like, way back when I read Harry Potter, I pretty much visualised purely on seeing the covers or the movies. A recent book I've read that I just couldn't get any real character images into my head (even with cover art) was Street Cultivation, because I'm pretty sure half the characters just aren't described. Fuck does Rick even look like? I don't think anything in the book tells you, only the cover art. Even for books I've generally enjoyed (recently read most of Andrew Rowe's stuff, generally enjoyed it, can only really visualise Marissa of any of the main four of Arcane Ascension, though I can kinda get Keras too for his other stuff) it can be an issue.

[Anonymous No.20049357]

>>20049348
Oh, another thing I'll often have is it's very hard to 'correct' my own images. If one's stuck and it's just blatantly wrong, because of misinterpretations or whatever, it can take some effort to readjust my own visualisations.

[Anonymous No.20049358]

>>20049346
I have read enough. Let me put it this way, Bakker's storytelling is beautiful, but the story he is telling is utter atheistic degeneracy.

[Anonymous No.20049377]

>>20049358
Prince of Nothing
>Crusaders wage war to reclaim their Holy City from the clutches of infidels
Aspect-Emperor
>Entire Mankind unites on an epic march against the Horned bastion of all evil
What's 'atheistic' about it?

[Anonymous No.20049382]

Rank all of those from best to worst as writers and story tellers
>John Norman
>Terry Goodkind
>Tommy Wiseau
>L Ron Hubbard
>Frank Herbert son
>Piers Anthony
>Whoever wrote that Anonymous Agony RPG Maker game
>Kevin J Anderson
>The Fifth Sorceress guy
>Ken Penders
>Modern Frank Miller
>Chuck Austen

[Anonymous No.20049430]

>>20049377
>>Crusaders wage war to reclaim their Holy City from the clutches of infidels
Literally the whole point of this was "le religious wars bad". Again, it's fundamentally atheist. And you can confirm this just by doing a bit of research on the author.

[Anonymous No.20049438]

>>20049382
No. You.

[Anonymous No.20049442]

Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door is better than any fantasy book in this thread.

[Anonymous No.20049456]

>>20049430
Literally none of such points were literally ever made. Seeing as all you can say to support your argument is "but the author is da librul!" further confirms that you didn't actually read shit. You tried to act clever, it didn't pan out. Take the L and move on.

[Anonymous No.20049459]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdYvCCXRtl8

So is this the final nail in the coffin? Even preston gave up on Winds ever coming out

[Anonymous No.20049466]

>>20049459
mental illness

[Anonymous No.20049468]

>>20049319
god.. bros I absolutely love chubby blondes.

[Anonymous No.20049469]

>>20049192
>tall girls
love it

[Anonymous No.20049475]

>>20049456
>Achamian tossed his hands skyward in dismay. “Foolish boy! How many faiths are there? How many competing beliefs? And you would murder another on the slender hope that yours is somehow the only one?
You are quite literally delusional.

[Anonymous No.20049506]

>>20049456
>>20049475
This reminds me of arguments about movies like Predator. Some people say it satirizes “toxic masculinity” and others say it’s a great example of a masculine alpha male redpilled action movie. I don’t think either interpretation is wrong I just think it depends on the viewer’s pov.
That being said, I haven’t read Bakker, mostly because I got burned by Martin and now I don’t want to start an unfinished series.

[Anonymous No.20049516]

>>20049475
Holy mother of lmao you actually went on goodreads and ctrlv'd a quote from there. Not sure if you're aware but being a sorcerer, Achamian can feel his own Mark of Damnation, he knows with utter certainty that after death he's going straight to Hell for the sin of speaking God's own language. Why the fuck would a man like him support any organized religions, esecially since Inrithism proclaimed sorcerers anathema? He becomes a fucking prophet later in the series too.

[Anonymous No.20049519]

>>20049475
That's a weak line, and I don't even disagree with its content. Will make sure to avoid Bakker.

[Anonymous No.20049537]

>>20049506
>an unfinished series.
Bakker considers it finished. The ending is open but doesn't beg for continuation. All narrative arcs came to their natural conclusions. If the No-God is ever written it'll be more of a glorified postword.

[Anonymous No.20049539]

>>20049537
>Bakker considers it finished.
Bakker considered it finish because he got dropped by his publisher.

[Anonymous No.20049541]

Looking for more stuff like the Space Jockey/engineers from Prometheus/Alien. Haunted space ship, deserted space ship with alien shit on it?
I read revelation space and it was pretty good.

[Anonymous No.20049550]

Any other great mom/son journeys?

[Anonymous No.20049553]

Can anyone recommend a /sff/ series with an anthropological focus? I finished Malazan a couple months ago and loved it. It made me realize the thing I love most about fantasy is exploring original cultures, civilizations and belief systems. This type of book is only good if the author is smart.

[Anonymous No.20049574]

>>20049553
Revelation Space has a lot of this, first book is very good but I haven’t read the other ones besides Chasm City

[Anonymous No.20049577]

>>20049541
Crashed alien ship with xenomorphs inside you say?

[Anonymous No.20049583]

>>20049577
Yeah, but he wants something good.

[Anonymous No.20049607]

>>20049195
I thought Stephen King was the Stephen King of fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20049611]

>>20049577
I got about half way into book 2, it was cool I kind of just lost interest

[Anonymous No.20049619]

>fantasy novel
>characters arrives in new city
>is almost immediately pickpocketed

[Anonymous No.20049627]

>>20049619
This almost never happens.

[Anonymous No.20049631]

>>20049627
name three (four) books in which this doesn't happen

[Anonymous No.20049637]

>>20049631
Well I've been reading all of Mage Errant recently and so I could say the first four books of that.

[Anonymous No.20049638]

>>20047516
>Sadly, he decided to turn it into a crossover
We knew Stormlight was going to be Cosmere from the beginning. Gosh, I bet you don't even know when The Way of Kings Alpha was written.
If he were a better writer then it wouldn't be as big of a problem but I sympathize with the anon who (paraphrased) lamented his disappointment at Sanderson, of all people, becoming this hallmark of fantasy literature and yet he's stagnated at such a mediocre plateau. The fucking people in the 5-volume self-pub epic I just finished had better (and more) characterization than fuckin' any Stormlight novel.
>>20047678
The final Mistborn trilogy will be the final bit of Cosmere but Stormlight is chronologically near the end.
We STILL don't have a fucking accurate full chronology of current released content. Fucking Sanderson.
>>20049166
Kelsier is a canon sociopath. I think Wayne is Sanderson's best character.
>>20049179
It's fun but it's another "final entry postponed for years and years" problem.

[Anonymous No.20049643]

>>20049638
>The fucking people in the 5-volume self-pub epic I just finished
Which?

[Anonymous No.20049650]

>>20049638
>We STILL don't have a fucking accurate full chronology of current released content.
I thought we generally did. Not specifics, but we know it's roughly
>Prelude to Stormlight
>White Sand
>Elantris (I think it's here)
>Mistborn Era 1
>Warbreaker
>Stormlight first half
>Mistborn era 2
>Stormlight second half
>Mistborn era 3
>Sixth of the Dusk
>Mistborn era 4
Something like that?

[Anonymous No.20049665]

Her cunt became the world.

[Anonymous No.20049674]

>>20049034
Eyes of the Overworld, Carmilla, Starship Troopers, Tombs of Atuan, Stardust

[Anonymous No.20049687]

>>20049034
The Dragons Masters
The Death of Doctor Island
A Momentary Taste of Being

[Anonymous No.20049689]

>>20049643
https://www.goodreads.com/series/190347-immortality-and-chaos
I suppose now is a good time as any to talk about it now that I'm done. I rarely do reviews and I think I'm shit at them.

Two things this series did very well:
>every side character--no matter how important or insignificant--has detail, is given a personality, is 'characterized' (they feel human with how their beliefs influence their behavior and motives, with lots of grey area)
>lots of emphasis on showing, not telling, and piecing together the mythology and history of the world, as well as the reality of past events, through what different characters were taught and what they learn or believe
I admit I was ready for it to be over when I arrived at the final book. There /is/ a lot of stuff that happens though and the general narrative of the series feels realistic, aside from maybe a couple of scenes where somebody does something stupid to move the plot along. I had a few issues with the ending, mainly some events I thought should have occurred far earlier in the overall series, but nothing damning.
I'm not sure if I'll read the 6-book series that comes afterward. Maybe in the future. I made a (more helpful to you) post about this series a few threads back, just search the archives for the goodreads link.

[Anonymous No.20049698]

romance...
xeno romance.......

[Anonymous No.20049701]

>>20049034

[Anonymous No.20049702]

>>20049689
Oh, I picked that up based on somebody's recommendation in an earlier thread (might've been you), because... Hey, it's on Kindle Unlimited. I'm currently reading Mage Errant (which is pretty decent all things considered, though I do get what some people complained about with the weird focus on romance, I don't hate romance but it's like why is every character looking to be in a relationship except gay-man Godrick) but on the last book of that, so might go to I&C after.

[Anonymous No.20049706]

>>20049701
this really was surprisingly short

[Anonymous No.20049716]

>>20049650
He hasn't committed to anything. Lots of flipflopping in Q&As. Also I heard a few years back about some cosmere-y book that involved this and would include Investiture conversion rates, like how much Stormlight = one Breath but I don't know what happened to it.

You forgot Dragonsteel at the very beginning. I don't remember where White Sand takes place, honestly. Or if it was necessarily that earlier but it's been too long. It had to have been early since it has Khriss's origin.
I've read both era 2 being during the Stormlight book 5/6 gap, and at the very end of Stormlight. But then where would that place era 3?
I haven't kept up with anything for a couple years. I've lost interest.

>>20049702
Yes that was me. Mage Errant does its magick systems well and I do like that the supporting cast gets as much attention given to their development as the main character.
But book 4 starts the real bad trend of teen romance and underage (literal) faggotry.
>why is every character looking to be in a relationship
That was exactly my thought. Given the structure of the plot, a relationship would never work well and shouldn't be a priority.

[Anonymous No.20049719]

>>20049574
thanks. I'll check it out

[Anonymous No.20049729]

>>20049716
I thought the Hugh and Talia stuff made sense, they've clearly been emotionally intertwined from the start. Sabae going kinda flirt-crazy in book 4 was neat, but at least she dropped it when it became serious. I haven't gotten too far in book 5 yet, but there's not too much of it so far. Sphinx-mom is a great character, though.

[Anonymous No.20049766]

>>20049553
There are a lot of these, but it tends to be more science fiction than fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20049767]

>>20049729
Sphinx-mom became better than I expected. Book 5 was fun. Lots of battlan going on and the end culminates into what you expect (which is a good thing!)
It's basically the only kaiju fiction we have right now which is weird to think about.

[Anonymous No.20049771]

>>20049716
>supporting cast gets as much attention given to their development as the main character.
I almost felt a little cheated that we saw NOTHING of Aedan and Rhodes after the first book. They just chime in every so often and it's basically "Aedan is a shitty teacher and Rhodes had a mental breakdown".

[Anonymous No.20049773]

>>20049541
Broken Angels might be your jam

[Anonymous No.20049786]

The trashier it is the more anons want to discuss it. As expected of trashy anons.

[Anonymous No.20049791]

>>20049767
I think I did have a bit of whiplash when it suddenly became all about the great powers when that term just wasn't really... Thrown around at all in the first couple of books. I also enjoy its take on liches. I kinda wish it didn't have all the multiverse stuff going on, because it's clear the author wants to make that an interconnected thing with a grand finale (even says so in the author's notes and such at the end) because everybody wants to do a Cosmere now.
Like, I've read other authors with shared multiverses, Will Wight comes to mind, all his books are in the same multiverse, but the connections don't really matter, the grand multiversal stuff seems to all be within the Cradle series and just gets some nods here and there elsewhere. There's also no ongoing plot around all of them, they just happen to share a multiverse.

[Anonymous No.20049792]

>>20049786
This is the raccoon den

[Anonymous No.20049795]

>>20049701
I read these, but they're like 2.5/5 at best and don't really improve as the series goes on.

[Anonymous No.20049824]

>>20049475
>Another leftist atheist author forcing his views on his story.
Yep, into the garbage bin it goes.

[Anonymous No.20049834]

>>20049824
>character says something that even they might not mean, but might just be trying to sow doubt in the character to whom they’re speaking
>this must be the author saying exactly what he believes IRL!

[Anonymous No.20049852]

>>20049834
It’s so simple and poorly wondered that it’s an obvious self-insert

[Anonymous No.20049860]

>>20049791
I thought great powers were introduced well enough. Took me a bit at first to realize that by great powers he meant Great Powers.
>I also enjoy its take on liches.
Same.
I'm curious to see how the multiverse will pan out there.

>they just happen to share a multiverse
I disagree that there isn't really an ongoing plot. Yes most of it is in Cradle where we see the Abidan stuff but Ozriel shows up at the end of Elder Empire and even tangles with an Elder whatever they're called for a bit IIRC. Valin from Traveler's Gate even traveled to Elder Empire world once and it's clear that Simon is being shaped to become some kind of adventuring... thing. If more Traveler's Gate ever fucking happens.
Elder Empire Iteration has huge implications for the multiverse, being a prison of super strong entities, and Amalgam, the Iteration that Traveler's Gate is in, is literally a disjointed mess where the Territories themselves are fragments of broken-off Iterations that clump together like barnacles which I imagine the Abidan would want to get under control before this whole Thing with the Mad King goes off the rails.

[Anonymous No.20049884]

>>20049860
True, but the events of each book doesn't really seem to... Incorporate into an ongoing narrative. It's just aspects of the multiverse. Ozriel's appearance in Elder Empire honestly just felt like Will realising he could do that after Cradle got so big, because the 3rd books took a while to come out and he'd fleshed things out a lot more. It's like, sometimes multiversal stuff happens, but there's no grand narrative they're all forming. The appearances of the Elder Empire and Traveler's Gate worlds in Cradle are just clarifications on their space in the multiverse, whereas Cradle is the one that actually does stuff WITHIN that multiverse.

[Anonymous No.20049886]

>>20049834
I ain’t reading your atheist garbage.

[Anonymous No.20049898]

>>20049834
Why are you so adamant in defending atheistic degeneracy?

[Anonymous No.20049900]

>>20049824
90 IQ take. Read Chesterton.

[Anonymous No.20049920]

>>20049852
>>20049886
>>20049898
Triggered much?

[Anonymous No.20049921]

>>20049900
I’ll rather read A Canticle for Leibowitz

[Anonymous No.20049928]

>>20049920
I accept your defeat

[Anonymous No.20049931]

well bros I am putting myself into a tizzy reading some non fiction on nuclear warfare..but once I'm done with that should I finally read Heretics of Dune? it's either than or move to Stephenson's Diamond Age. I loved Anathem and boy do I unironically love infodumps. pic related cus it's how I feel right now

[Anonymous No.20049950]

>>20049928
I don't have a horse in this race but you're clearly a moron and/or child, Anon. Go actually read some books then come back, please.

[Anonymous No.20049962]

>>20049950
>Go actually read some books
We don't actually do that here, do we?

[Anonymous No.20049976]

>>20049950
I accept your surrender

[Anonymous No.20049989]

>>20049931
Heretics is a ton of fun, real return to the space adventure feel of the original Dune.

Diamond Age is also great tho, you can't go wrong.

[Anonymous No.20050001]

>>20049920
Nope. Just tired of these new authors forcing their views onto their stories. Makes me lament the state of fantasy and science fiction. Tolkien really spoiled me.

[Anonymous No.20050016]

>>20050001
an author presenting his views is quite literally the point of fiction. If you don't understand that I highly doubt you've read Tolkien, or any other worthwhile book for that matter.

[Anonymous No.20050022]

>>20050001
>Just tired of these new authors forcing their views onto their stories
>Tolkien really spoiled me
Kek. The irony.

[Anonymous No.20050304]

Bakker Word of the Day
>aculmirsi - Literally, “milestone man,” the epithet used by Near-Antique dramaturges to describe those who travelled for the sake of travelling.

[Anonymous No.20050316]

I'm confused about wtf stannis expected assaulting through blackwater bay
Maybe I haven't read enough history but it seems like a mistake

[Anonymous No.20050318]

When does Shadow of the Torturer stop being so depressing. Life is so bleak that I'm surprised the main character hasn't killed himself, I'm around chapter 9 or 27% of the way through according to my ereader.

[Anonymous No.20050319]

>>20050304
Read a better author.

[Anonymous No.20050321]

>>20050316
>I'm confused about wtf stannis expected assaulting through blackwater bay
He needed to win quickly. He had his bastard nephew who looked like Robert, unlike Joffrey and the rest.

[Anonymous No.20050327]

I'm sure this has been asked a million times before but does anyone have a recommendation for a small scale fantasy novel? Something that doesn't involve a giant multitude of characters with the fate of the world at stake etc...

[Anonymous No.20050329]

>>20050327
Check the archive if you already know it's been asked before.

[Anonymous No.20050334]

>>20050327
2nd. Getting real sick of epic fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20050346]

>>20050329
I'm not sure what to search for but I'll try

[Anonymous No.20050357]

>>20050346
>I'm not sure what to search
Are you being serious? Just search for small scale fantasy novel

[Anonymous No.20050428]

>>20050357
Pretend that I never mentioned that it's been asked before and just give some recs

[Anonymous No.20050441]

>>20050428
I'm not spoon-feeding you, sorry.

[Anonymous No.20050462]

>>20050327
How about 'A Practical Guide to Sorcery', it doesn't involve the fate of the world but it does involve a bit of social upheaval, or should when it gets to the later chapters.

[Anonymous No.20050470]

>>20050327
The Curse of Chalion. As the title suggests, it's about breaking a curse.

[Anonymous No.20050490]

>>20048986
in case it hasn't been posted here yet
1930s P1
https://mega.nz/#F!j1xk3JyJ!3FZC05aiCFWLJXqUlvC8Dg
1930s P2
https://mega.nz/#F!qYEEAQoA!lmfyZNVbr9i7h0rBQOKg7w

1940s P1
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1940s P2
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1950s P1
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1950s P2
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1960s
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1970s P1
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1970s P2
https://mega.nz/#F!HU9EkLoC!sF7MPt1PhogCukcuZ_5fEQ

1980s P1
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1980s P2
https://mega.nz/#F!WctXhQoT!QXq14qE_11yWsbl5XZPLGg

1990s P1
https://mega.nz/#F!jd9SiYgL!qnVsF91nrMmKkPbG8XdXpQ
1990s P2
https://mega.nz/#F!qZVEiIBb!yBVY-GAPj3iPhx_h2LtTeQ

[Anonymous No.20050498]

>>20050490
1930s 67.5 gb
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1940s 67.8
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1950s 100.3 gb (those scanned magazines man)
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[Anonymous No.20050502]

>>20050498
1960s 36.1 gb
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1970s 66.2 gb
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1980s p1 47.97 gb
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1980s p2 47.29 gb
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1990s p1 60.3 gb
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1990s p2 25.6 gb
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[Anonymous No.20050505]

>>20050502
2000s P1
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2000s P2
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2000s P3
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[Anonymous No.20050507]

>>20050334
>>20050327
Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City
The Steel Remains

[Anonymous No.20050513]

>>20050490
Apparently you were incapable of reading the OP despite linking to it.

[Anonymous No.20050530]

>>20049311
cringe retard

>>20049202
based and christpilled by bakker

[Anonymous No.20050543]

>>20050507
>>20050462
>>20050470
Thanks

>>20050441
prick

[Anonymous No.20050545]

>>20050016
What a sad and reductive worldview.

[Anonymous No.20050553]

>>20050543
How does it feel not to have any emotional skin?

[Anonymous No.20050557]

>>20050016
Good fiction should present many worldviews, it should be an argument not a solution. Writers aren't preachers./

[Anonymous No.20050576]

>>20050513
oh, I don't read OPs

[Anonymous No.20050586]

>>20050327
David Gemmell. It’s not “slice of life” it’s more like Conan. Good versus evil and life or death battles but just not huge armies fighting for the fate of the world or anything.

[Anonymous No.20050589]

>>20050576
That would be too much for you before spamming?

[Anonymous No.20050601]

>>20049072
TLDR How much of the way of the kings is about women?

I made a seperate thread about this but hopefully you can answer this question, how much of the way of the kings is about this woman who likes to draw, I don't like her character at all and im listening to the audio book where a nice male voice actor does the men and does a good job, but the woman character is by a woman voice actor who is very bad to listen to

[Anonymous No.20050607]

>>20050601
>TLDR How much of the way of the kings is about women?
Why does it matter? Just read it.

[Anonymous No.20050615]

>>20050601
She's basically the main character of the entire series.

[Anonymous No.20050617]

>>20050607
you try listening to this woman it is painful https://tokybook.com/the-way-of-kings-01-02/

[Anonymous No.20050624]

>>20050316
>>20050321
So why didn’t he mount a land assault simultaneously? He had his own bannermen and all of Renley’s bannermen except house Tyrell which is almost 100,000 soldiers

[Anonymous No.20050626]

>>20050589
yes. I simply don't read OPs

[Anonymous No.20050628]

>>20050601
You just might be gay then, anon. There’s no fixing you.

[Anonymous No.20050631]

>>20050615
fuck, thanks for letting me know, I was liking copy and paste Gutsu character but I just reread Berserk again

[Anonymous No.20050636]

>>20050626
Then I hope you get van for spamming.

[Anonymous No.20050642]

>>20050601
She is one of the three main characters of the series. If it bothers you that much you should probably stop.

[Anonymous No.20050645]

>>20050636
Well I hope your mother dies in her sleep tonight!

[Anonymous No.20050653]

>>20050642
agreed thank you everybody

[Anonymous No.20050654]

>>20049311
>>cuckolding
>>sex monsters that feed on rape
>>female characters that exist to fuck
>>atheistic messaging
I can see why reddit likes it so much. This shit is peak degeneracy.

[Anonymous No.20050660]

>>20049469
>Bai Ning Bing
>tall girl
My fucking sides man
He's the only character in any literature I know that got tricked into becoming a tranny

[Anonymous No.20050664]

>>20050654
Pretty sure the people who like it here are from reddit, so there’s that.

[Anonymous No.20050671]

>>20049541
You might like Remembrance of Earth's Past series
The aliens described there are uncanny as fuck

[Anonymous No.20050721]

Which author ruined the rest of fantasy for you?

[Anonymous No.20050727]

>>20050721
Tolkien. He's such a great author that all the other fantasy authors are shit in comparison. His series has soul unlike any another.

[Anonymous No.20050813]

>>20048986
Is there any other fantasy based on chivalry and heraldry like ASOIAF?

[Anonymous No.20050826]

>>20050813
Read the once and future king

[Anonymous No.20050843]

>>20050721
Tolkien and George RR Martin
I can't get into anyone else

[Anonymous No.20050868]

>>20050826
I’m already familiar with Arthurian legend

[Anonymous No.20050873]

>>20049468
I'm not gay or anything but damn...

[Anonymous No.20050898]

>>20050607
it matters alot. I don't like women in books.

[Anonymous No.20050905]

>>20050654
see >>20049202d2pm

[Anonymous No.20050910]

>>20050898
Have you tried not being such a fag?

[Anonymous No.20050923]

>>20050905

[Anonymous No.20050930]

>>20050923
What the fuck is a Trump-Newscorp-Combine. For fuck sakes the leftists groups get more derange by the day.

[Anonymous No.20050938]

>>20050923
Pack it up Bakkerxirs, it’s over

[Anonymous No.20050950]

>>20050557
My one of favorite authors of all time is Dostoyevsky. In his books he presents a bouquet of worldviews, and the philosophical debates between his characters are among the best ever written, but at the end of the day he has a clear thesis that he is trying to advance onto the reader.

Good books present both the argument and a position. You don't have to agree with a writer to like them, unless you are seriously emotionally stinted.

[Anonymous No.20050957]

>>20050910
I am a straight man and I like to read good literature. Women in books is cancer.

[Anonymous No.20050960]

>>20050957
Whatever you say fag. Just go to a gay bar.

[Anonymous No.20050962]

>>20050957
I agree. Women usually contribute nothing, even in literature. They should be included in books with extreme care, and then as peripheral characters.

[Anonymous No.20050967]

>>20050962
You are half right.

[Anonymous No.20050972]

>>20050624
he did. It was broken by the tyrells.

[Anonymous No.20050975]

>>20050923
Who the fuck brings up an ex-girlfriend grandmother in an argument? Holy fuck that’s the petty shit I expect from a unhinged woman.

[Anonymous No.20050978]

>>20050624
Did you not read the book? It literally tells you what Stannis did in trying to take King's landing.

[Anonymous No.20050984]

>>20050530
>christpilled
>bakker

[Anonymous No.20050986]

>>20050984
Bakker is low key christian

[Anonymous No.20050987]

>>20050986
>>20050923

[Anonymous No.20050997]

>>20050987
He's like the guy who keeps posting "I'm not GAY but I want to suck his dick haha is that weird" to every post on /v/

[Anonymous No.20051002]

>>20049072
I want to fuck the crab

[Anonymous No.20051030]

Is there a fantasy novel that’ll make me happy? Something to read between heavy novels that’ll uplift my mood.

[Anonymous No.20051036]

>>20051030
Lord of the rings

[Anonymous No.20051057]

>>20050957
>>20050962
>not being interested in women
You're certainly not coming off as alpha, if that's the goal

[Anonymous No.20051076]

>>20051030
I'd recommend Cradle but the first book is him getting shat on until he gets strong enough to bully kindergardeners

[Anonymous No.20051082]

>>20051057
They're either faggots or fujos.

[Anonymous No.20051091]

>>20051082
>fujos.
I somehow always forget that a lot of gay shit is just horny perverted women.

[Anonymous No.20051100]

>>20051091
It's funny, fujos are so into gay shit, that they started shitting on women. It's become a big problem in the fanfiction community.

[Anonymous No.20051105]

>>20050997
He’s just trying to trick people into reading garbage.

[Anonymous No.20051126]

Greatest love story in fantasy
> In a very, very soft, tentative voice, she asked, “Croaker? Will you hold me?”
> What? I didn’t say it, but I sure as hell thought it.
> I didn’t say anything. Clumsily, uncertainly, I did as she asked.
> She began crying on my shoulder, softly, quietly, shaking like a captive baby rabbit.
> It was a long time before she said anything. I did not presume.
> “No one has done this since I was a baby. My nurse.…”
> Another long silence.
> “I’ve never had a friend.”
> Another long gap.
> “I’m scared, Croaker. And alone.”
> “No. We’ll all be with you.”
> “Not for the same reasons.” She fell silent for good then. I held her a long time. The fire burned down and its light faded from the room. Outside, the wind began to howl.
> When I finally thought she had fallen asleep, and started to disengage myself, she clung more tightly, so I stilled and continued to hold her, though half the muscles in my body ached.

[Anonymous No.20051139]

>>20049268
Tolkien is high fantasy, there is a clear good vs evil dichotomy in Tolkien's work. Bakker, in line with the degenerate trend that has taken over fantasy, is grimdark, not high fantasy. He writes brilliantly but his story is dark, characters are unlikeable and there are no good people, everyone is a piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.20051150]

>>20051139
You never read his later works, have you?

[Anonymous No.20051153]

>>20049198
Any good Xianxia recs?

[Anonymous No.20051167]

>>20050843
Try Peter Flannery's Battle Mage. It's a fantastic read.

[Anonymous No.20051179]

>>20048986
So I'm really liking this. If you like Russian shitrpg you probably will too. The defining characteristic of Russian litrpg is probably the little guy gets or finds a game-breaking exploit that launches him into the top tiers where he has to use his wits to compete with the established powers in both the game and the real world. In some ways it plays as very American, but whatever.

In this one the MC is a loser who gets cursed by an NPC that has a game-breaking side effect which launches him into yeah yeah. The translation is good. Don't ask me about the prose, but the storytelling has pacing and propulsion. The characters are simple, but the author isn't afraid to give them a little twist when it seems they might fall into a rut. When it starts to bog down around book 5 the author switches to alternate settings / dlc to keep things fresh and it works. There was a stage where it mimicked a reality tv show where I was anticipating that I would have to drop, but it played out really well and upticked the series.

If you hate this stuff you'll probably hate this too.

[Anonymous No.20051183]

>>20051179
Why even bother posting this garbage?

[Anonymous No.20051184]

>>20051150
I read Prince of Nothing and the second book after that, the quit. Couldn't take it anymore, although they were well written. I don't like dark fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20051195]

>>20051183
We are the nation within.

[Anonymous No.20051197]

>>20051184
His "brilliant" writing deteriorates later on to such an absurd degree, that I'm genuinely wondering if it was editors who did the heavy lifting early on.

[Anonymous No.20051220]

>>20051126
Honestly until port of shadows expanded Lady's backstory I very much preferred Soulcatcher, she was the underdog of the sisters.
Although with the recent rewrite/addition to the history I can finally kind of sympathize with Lady, but then there is the whole issue of the memory loss, of her and croaker's children being left alone in the world.
It was the only way glen cook could do it, but it also means that Lady cruelly cast them out to be alone and erased all memory of them, making her far more cruel in practice than Soulcatcher ever had been in theory, not even her kidnapping of Croaker measures up the cruelty of forgotten and abandoned children.

[Anonymous No.20051227]

>>20049550
>>20049773
Thanks I’m going to look into them

[Anonymous No.20051240]

>>20051126
Frightening opinion: As Glen Cook grows older and weaker, his waifus become sharper and more kinesthetic. One day he'll die and they'll be free.

[Anonymous No.20051265]

>>20051240
Is black company a good intro to fantasy for someone that’s only ever read sci fi

[Anonymous No.20051275]

>>20051265
An introduction to fantasy? It was amongst my first by my real introduction was the dragonlance chronicles and I think that D&D level stuff such as that trilogy or the cleric quintet or the icewind dale trilogy are better introductary material.

[Anonymous No.20051287]

>>20051265
black company #1 is a weird book, all I remember was nothing happened and there was almost no description of anything

[Anonymous No.20051296]

>>20051275
>>20051287
Ah is it one of those that really picks up on book 2 or 3?

[Anonymous No.20051312]

>>20051296
It's just a different kind of fantasy, so it helps to have an understanding of what the usual sort of fantasy is.
It may even be necessary.

[Anonymous No.20051362]

>>20051265
Black Company is one of those things you'll either love or drop almost immediately. I wouldn't try to make it assigned reading unless you're teaching a graduate course in waifucraft.

[Anonymous No.20051407]

>>20049701
I cringed so much reading this book it's unreal

[Anonymous No.20051416]

>>20051362
>>20051312
Thanks I’ll try it out

[Anonymous No.20051650]

>>20050923
Whoa newfag found Bakker's blog. We all know he's a leftie schizo, we don't care. None of his politics seep into his works, at least not in explicit overbearing preachy manner as it often is with modern fantasy. You are ironically acting like the very people you hate by demanding the author's personal identity and beliefs to line up with yours before you even give them a chance.
>>20051139
You clearly didn't read shit and just go off of muh grimderp memes. There's a character who can unambiguously see the goodness and badness in people. Also, what kind of moron reads Tolkien and thinks its a good guys vs bad guys story when the entire thing is about a magical rings that brings the worst out of good intentions, turns ambitions into tyranny, courage into recklessness, beauty into ugliness. Is Gollum a bad guy?

[Anonymous No.20051663]

>>20051650
>None of his politics seep into his works
>His works are full of buttfucking and propping up women.
You're either blind or stupid.

[Anonymous No.20051664]

>>20051650
>Whoa newfag found Bakker's blog. We all know he's a leftie schizo, we don't care. None of his politics seep into his works, at least not in explicit overbearing preachy manner as it often is with modern fantasy.
>cuckolding
>sex monsters that feed on rape
>female characters that exist to fuck
>atheistic messaging
Sounds like his belief's seeps in quite a lot.

[Anonymous No.20051675]

>>20049456
There is a panel with the author, GRRM is on it, in some Spanish speaking country, where he discusses how retarded belief is, how the whole book is demonstrating the danger of belief and how it makes people stupid and dangerous.

You can look it up if you like.

[Anonymous No.20051687]

>>20049072
The ultimate irony of Sanderson is that Elantris was hailed as "a breath of fresh air" for the genre specifically because it was, at the time at least, a completely self-contained story with an interesting world in a time where epic fantasy seemed to dominate everything. And of course he would then go on to announce a 50 part series that would take 40 years to complete.

[Anonymous No.20051689]

>>20051675
You should probably link it for all to see.

[Anonymous No.20051697]

>>20051664
Please take your meds already
>>20051675
Why the fuck should I? Like I said I don't care about Bakker, only his novels. None of Bakker's life interests me in the least. Talk about books or fuck off back to /pol/, faget

[Anonymous No.20051698]

>>20049099
>I'll be honest, I pictured Parshendi entirely differently

Me too, but mostly because they seemed to be described as bug/crab people, while that fanart looks like the Qunari from Dragon Age

[Anonymous No.20051703]

>>20051687
It's not irony, it's simply business planning. Sanderson is just copying from the Comic Book textbook when it comes to his series. He makes everything cross over with everything else, even when it doesn't need to, simply because that way if you want to read once of his books, you're constantly getting baited into reading his other books because of all these crossover characters.
It's cynical and soulless, and blatantly exploitative of the typical brainlets who actually like what he writes.
Also worth noting that while that strategy worked for the American comic book industry in the shoot term, it ended up imploding because people just stopped giving a fuck at all because trying to pick up a new series meant going down an enormous rabbit hole, which made it difficult to actually engage with and killed any chance of the fanbases expanding.

[Anonymous No.20051707]

>>20051697
Ah, just going to ignore the reality of the situation. Fuck off then.

[Anonymous No.20051723]

>>20051703
I know not to bother with Sanderson because I'm never going to get caught up imo

[Anonymous No.20051733]

>>20051703
All true, but I don't see how any of that doesn't make being lauded for self-contained brevity then following up with a bloated multi-series comic-book meta-narrative not ironic.

[Anonymous No.20051753]

>>20051703
Sanderson is many things, but he's certainly not cynical. Have you ever heard him speak? The man loves his writing and loves his characters. His crossover obsession is annoying (and certainly done with an eye toward brand synergy), but he claims Stormlight Archives will continue to be perfectly comprehensible as a standalone series. We'll see.

[Anonymous No.20051879]

>>20051703
Yeah, but the comic book movies are several times more than probably the entire us comic book industry. So, what does it matter? Marvel is just part of Disney now. DC Comics is part of AT&T. Whatever they do doesn't matter any longer.

[Anonymous No.20051882]

>>20051879
*more lucrative

[Anonymous No.20051892]

>>20049319
Why is she signing books in a Chinese electronics store?

[Anonymous No.20051896]

Was PKD gnostic?

[Anonymous No.20051902]

Really enjoyed Soldier of mist. What next book of gene wolf should I read? Already read the BONS and cerberus. Tried wizard knight and didn't like it.

[Anonymous No.20051904]

>>20051703
None of Sanderson's books really "cross over" at all. They exist in a "shared universe" but as yet there's very little actual overlap in events, characters, or locations. In fact the overlap that exists is so minor and obtuse that they're more like cameos than actual intersecting plots. That could change since Stormlight Archive, his magnum opus, is not even half over yet and the conflict in it has already scaled up to near-cosmic levels.

[Anonymous No.20051909]

>>20049319
I saw her books in the shop. should I read?

[Anonymous No.20051911]

Is Wheel of Time good?

[Anonymous No.20051918]

>>20051911
Read it and find out.

[Anonymous No.20051920]

>>20051904
>scaled up to near-cosmic levels.
Does this happen in book 3 & 4? As of book 2 it was still mostly about carrying bridges.

[Anonymous No.20051926]

>>20051650
>Also, what kind of moron reads Tolkien and thinks its a good guys vs bad guys story when the entire thing is about a magical rings that brings the worst out of good intentions, turns ambitions into tyranny, courage into recklessness, beauty into ugliness. Is Gollum a bad guy?
This desu ne.

[Anonymous No.20051929]

>>20050721
GRRM ruined fantasy for me for a long time. I read him while I was in high school, about 16 years ago, at a time when most of the fantasy I read was Tolkien and stuff heavily derivative of Tolkien. So for a while he was my standard for the genre, and not a lot of authors measured up and I was pretty insufferable about it. I didn't really recover an interest in fantasy til I was almost done with college, when I found some new authors to read and reignited my interest in fantasy that didn't have so much swearing and sex.

[Anonymous No.20051930]

>>20051918
Why do you reply like this?

[Anonymous No.20051933]

>>20051920
Book 4 is where actual gods, or beings close enough to gods, start taking an active role in the plot, and other worlds start being talked about. I could see book 5 involving world hopping, but if not, it can't be further away than book 6.

[Anonymous No.20051935]

>>20051930
Because you ask a question that can be easily solve by reading and form your own opinion on the matter, but instead you expect others do to the work.

[Anonymous No.20051941]

>>20051935
>Read a 20 book series to see if it's good or not
I'm not that Anon but you're being ridiculous. If you don't want to answer a question you can simply ignore it.

[Anonymous No.20051945]

>>20051941
>I'm not that Anon but you're being ridiculous.
Not him, but you can read the first two books and decide, don't be obtuse. I do it all the time.

[Anonymous No.20051948]

>>20051911
I enjoyed it. I reread it sometimes. I find it hard to recommend though, because of its immense length and how hard the story drags later on. There's also the fact that the first book is pretty misleading about what the rest of the story is like, in terms of plot. It feels very much like a LotR knockoff, that was my initial impression of reading Eye of the World for the first time anyway, but the ending of it changed that perception, and the books beyond it were very gripping to me. Also realizing that EoW seemed to have been written for re-readers, rather than first time readers. It's absolutely loaded with foreshadowing a first time reader would have no clue how to recognize, but after reading the next few books, you see all this stuff you missed when you revisit it, I find it a lot of fun.

[Anonymous No.20051951]

>>20051941
It's only 14 books, 15 if you include the short prologue novel, and all you have to do is read the first book to decide if you want more.

[Anonymous No.20051956]

>>20051945
>>20051951
Many people would like to know if the series "sticks the landing" before they become invested in it. It's not unreasonable.

[Anonymous No.20051959]

So where do I go after GRRM?
I'm thinking of going back and finishing Dune and Gene Wolfe but aside from that I'm really not sure

[Anonymous No.20051965]

>>20051959
What did you like about ASOIAF

[Anonymous No.20051967]

>>20051956
>It's not unreasonable.
It really is.

[Anonymous No.20051969]

>>20051956
That's an impossible question to answer because only the individual reader can determine if it was worth it. Many people who have stuck with a series for many years will justify the time they spent on it by insisting it was worth it regardless of the quality of the story, because to them the objective quality would be irrelevant. In a way they have the right of it, it's how you experience it that matters, so the best answer you can get is trying to read it and dropping it if you don't like it.

[Anonymous No.20051973]

>>20051959
Depends on what you like about GRRM. Given your other two author examples, I would hazard a guess you're not a fan of regular high fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20051978]

>>20051965
Lots of characters who feel real to me
Lots of dialogue which feels authentic
The writing didn't feel flimsy like a lot of sci-fi/fantasy does to me
Not really all that interested in knights or gritty 'realism'
>>20051973
Well my favourite author is Tolkien so I do like High Fantasy

[Anonymous No.20051979]

>>20051978
Oh also the world feels real to me too

[Anonymous No.20051984]

>>20051935
I'm just going to chuck this up to your autism acting up but you see the purpose of this question is to initiate a discussion. As this is a literature thread with a focus on fantasy, a series like Wheel of Time fits into the criteria for this aforementioned discussion. Of course you may have forgotten but the purpose of this part of the website is to discuss various different books that are in the fantasy or science fantasy genre. Part of this may be recommending books to others or reviewing books that fit the criteria (which is what my original post was intended for). You may be wondering why people would ask for reviews on a book when they could just read it, well the answer is very simple, its all about the limited life span of a human being. This important factor being called time, which according to the internet is "an interval separating two points on this continuum; a duration". Humans have limited life span which means they have limited time so that means they have to choose what to spend that time on wisely. Particularly the series Wheel of Time boasts a massive approximately 5,000,000 word span which would take a lot of time. In good faith we ask others who have spent that time to share with us their experiences, so we can then continue the discussion and then maybe that good-will will encourage others to share their experiences as well so everyone can benefit. I hope since I spent some of my lifespan explaining this that you will inturn accept my good-faith and hopefully present your reviews that may guide my choices.

[Anonymous No.20051985]

>>20051965
the character interactions and different POVs

[Anonymous No.20051988]

>>20051984
>>20051969

[Anonymous No.20051994]

>>20051978
Character writing is GRRM's strong suit, for sure, and he stands out in fantasy because there honestly is not a lot of competition for strong character writing in this genre. Which characters did you enjoy the most? Probably Tyrion, everybody likes Tyrion, and the first character that comes to mind when I think of him is Glokta from Joe Abercrombie's First Law trilogy. I find it hard to recommend Abercrombie in general, but he does write pretty good characters, and it's an uncommon enough skill that I don't have many other good options.

Sadly though, Abercrombie's setting is pretty flimsy as far as fantasy goes. His characters are solid, but that's about all I can recommend of him. Plot is stretched out and ephemeral at times, and the world building is very thin on the ground and deliberately vague so he can make it up as he goes. You wind up getting invested in the characters, at least that's why I stuck with First Law to the end, in spite of its other failings.

[Anonymous No.20052000]

>>20050327
Dying Earth
Bridge of Birds

[Anonymous No.20052035]

>>20051978
Try reading Tad Williams. Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn is his first series, it's 4 books, and their really big, meaty books. If you enjoy reading Tolkien, and Wolfe for that matter, then you can probably deal with the pace of his stories, which is languid, putting it nicely. All his books follow a similar rhythm, which, simplifying greatly, is a very slow build up to an explosive finish. And I mean very slow, and with many different characters who can sometimes feel like they're in a completely different story unrelated to one another, until eventually their plot threads intersect.

I'd recommend Shadowmarch, personally. It's the series by him I enjoyed reading the most, but if you really do like Tolkien I think you'll find MST more your speed. You might also enjoy his sci-fi series, Otherland.

[Anonymous No.20052054]

>>20049553
Children of Time

[Anonymous No.20052058]

>>20051959
nothing matches grrm except more grrm such as his early works, though his early works deal with more than a tinge of sci-fi, i would recommend the following:
Full length novels:
Dying of the light
Windhaven

Novellas:
Sandkings
A song for Lya
Tuf Voyaging (series of 5 novellas)

His other stuff in sci-fi is not as good as the ones above.
If you are looking for something different, try fevre dream, his vampire/steamboat fantasy

[Anonymous No.20052063]

>>20052054
Thanks, looks promising

[Anonymous No.20052095]

>>20050001
>Nope. Just tired of these new authors forcing their views onto their stories. Makes me lament the state of fantasy and science fiction.

Ever read Heinlein? Le Guin? Haldeman?

Tell me an author that doesn't express views in a narrative and I'll tell you an author that is bland and uninspired.

[Anonymous No.20052121]

>>20052095
>Tell me an author that doesn't express views in a narrative
Akira Toriyama.

[Anonymous No.20052125]

>>20052121
He seems to be extremely opinionated on the subject of murder and blowing up the earth. Biased faggot.

[Anonymous No.20052132]

>>20049168
not on libgen, I was gonna read it

[Anonymous No.20052139]

>>20052121
I know you're just being cute, but
>You are gentle; you do not like to hurt. I know because I, too, have learned these feelings, but it is because you cherish life, that you must protect it. Please, drop your restraints. Protect the life I loved.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFPmUc34JNk

[Anonymous No.20052142]

>>20050962
Heinlein's women are the best women

[Anonymous No.20052145]

>>20051896
I think he just done a lot of drugs

[Anonymous No.20052151]

>>20052142
He only wrights one, over and over and over again. He gives her different names and ages and backgrounds but it's always the same woman.

[Anonymous No.20052153]

>>20051126
This is garbage. I thought Black company was supposed to be good?

[Anonymous No.20052168]

>>20052151
I know, and she's pretty much a man with a vagina who sometimes knows king fu

[Anonymous No.20052172]

>>20052139
Yeah, and sometimes he writes that revenge is the best course of actions.
https://youtu.be/apH1HDhn_I8

[Anonymous No.20052188]

>>20052172
Goku and Gohan are clearly intended to be morally constructive characters. The young boys watching this show are meant to look up to Goku's brand of empathetic masculinity. DBZ single-handedly defined masculinity for an entire generation of Japanese and American boys who lacked a positive male role model in their lives.

Source: Am one of them. And I still frequently see buff guys at the gym in their late 20s and 30s wearing DBZ t-shirts

[Anonymous No.20052190]

>>20052125
Yeah, no shit. It’s called self-preservation. What kind of idiot would argue against those.

[Anonymous No.20052193]

>>20052188
I'm guessing you watched the dub because Goku is just a feral monkey in the Japanese version

[Anonymous No.20052205]

>>20052188
>And I still frequently see buff guys at the gym in their late 20s and 30s wearing DBZ t-shirts
As you should, DBZ was Kino from very beginning to very end. No one could match it.

[Anonymous No.20052207]

>>20052193
Goku's strength to defend the lives of his friends and family--but reluctance to resort to violence--is what made him virtuous. I really doubt that element of his character was constructed in the dub translation, though I suppose I'd have to take your word for it.

[Anonymous No.20052209]

>>20050843
Those two are my favorites and I've recently fallen in love with Robin Hobbs Elderlings.

It's kind of borderline YA, but she's such a phenomenal writer it really elevates it to a higher place.

[Anonymous No.20052215]

>>20052139
>>20052172
Vegeta’ speeches were always Shakespearean and always resonated with with men. What I would give for western authors to get their shit together and actually write something like this.
https://youtu.be/NDHgxa7nX_Y

[Anonymous No.20052244]

>>20052215
When I was a kid I thought Vegeta was just misunderstood. He really was a little cunt the whole time, wasn't he?

[Anonymous No.20052256]

>>20052244
he is relatable if you're short and a loser

[Anonymous No.20052284]

>>20052244
I’ll say it’s a mixture of both. His plight is very understandable and him, but nonetheless, he’s a cunt. He did try to save Tien though, so it can’t be all bad.

[Anonymous No.20052289]

>>20052215
David Gemmell writes heroic fantasy that DBZ fans would probably appreciate.

[Anonymous No.20052298]

>>20052289
>wrote
RIP to a king. Died sitting at his desk, writing.

[Anonymous No.20052310]

>>20050507
>Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City
that's a really bad rec for what he asked, the scale is not epic in that the events of the plot take place mostly a single city but everything else is. and on top of that it's a pretty bad book in my opinion

>>20052035
>You might also enjoy his sci-fi series, Otherland
not him but care to describe it? i liked MST a lot but as you say got a bit bummed by its size, won't read any of his big series for a while. but i wonder how his style works in scifi

[Anonymous No.20052313]

What is the most GRRM approved artwork out there?
Fantasy flight games?

[Anonymous No.20052317]

>>20052313
world of ice and fire

[Anonymous No.20052322]

>>20052317
Oh cool, didn't realise that book existed
Will buy, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.20052333]

Just finished At the Mountains of Madness. Loved it. What story now? I got his collected works.

[Anonymous No.20052336]

>>20052333
Rats in the walls
Pickman's Model

[Anonymous No.20052348]

>>20051896
Maybe somewhat? He was a STRONG advocate for the simulation theory.

[Anonymous No.20052349]

>>20052333
>333

Haunter of the Dark might be a good come down story after Mountains. It's a short story rather than a Novella so you can get through it pretty quick. It's more moody and evocative than 'here's the ancient history all laid out' like in Mountains. One of my personal favourites.

[Anonymous No.20052352]

>>20051984
>I'm just going to chuck this up to your autism acting up but you see the purpose of this question is to initiate a discussion. As this is a literature thread with a focus on fantasy, a series like Wheel of Time fits into the criteria for this aforementioned discussion. Of course you may have forgotten but the purpose of this part of the website is to discuss various different books that are in the fantasy or science fantasy genre.
How about you lurk the archives and stop throwing a fit when people don't want to discuss the same fucking book series that has been mentioned HUNDREDS of times ad nauseum across /sffg/ and /lit/'s lifespan, fucking newfag.

[Anonymous No.20052412]

>>20052139
God, I hate how they butchered Gohan so much. He could have been the Main character.

[Anonymous No.20052419]

>>20052244
He's a pretty good character because a lot of try hard chinks are that type of person

[Anonymous No.20052440]

>>20052419
Pretty sure Vegeta resonates with people on the west. Not just with Asians. Also, pretty sure Toriyama wrote him with a western mindset.

[Anonymous No.20052449]

>>20052440
I see him as one of those sporty asian-cels who would have great prospects except he's asian so girls won't date him

[Anonymous No.20052471]

>>20052449
But Vegeta got Bulma, the riches woman on Earth and basically a princess. Dude got it made.

[Anonymous No.20052518]

>>20052188
>Goku's brand of empathetic masculinity.
Wish more authors do this. Feels like if a character even displays masculinity, it’s portrayed in the wrong.

[Anonymous No.20052526]

>>20052471
That's the beta asian-cel dream

[Anonymous No.20052544]

>>20052352
I actually how many answers could be solved if people actually did this. It feels like some people are just repeating the same question over and over.

[Anonymous No.20052552]

>>20052544
Normalfags all the way down, my dude. Any big outlet for book discussion will mention the same handful of big titles over and over and over and over and over and over and over, all in a positive light, of course.

[Anonymous No.20052555]

>>20052552
Yeah, but you would think they would search the archive to find an answer to their questions.

[Anonymous No.20052558]

>>20052555
It's an unhealthy marriage between not knowing the archive's existence and complete inability/unwillingness to look for an answer themselves.

[Anonymous No.20052560]

>>20052558
It’s literally in the OP though? There’s no excuse to be this ignorant and a few anons here have posted here.

[Anonymous No.20052562]

>>20052560
Scroll up, dude. Look at this example:
>>20050576

[Anonymous No.20052563]

>>20052562
Not him, but the fucker got ban at least for his spam.

[Anonymous No.20052567]

>>20052207
Neither of you are really that wrong. Goku is, obviously, based on Sun Wukong, the Monkey King from Journey to The West and this influence naturally comes across stronger in the Japanese. But it is mostly that Goku is depicted as being a bit silly, carefree, and absent minded, like a monkey. He just wants to train and get strong with his bros, not listen to his nagging wife!
That doesn't mean that, when push comes to shove, he doesn't have a unassailable sense of right and wrong, a moral core that is his guiding light.

I think both sides come through plenty enough in the dub though.

[Anonymous No.20052570]

>>20052563
>a handful of posts and torrent links is spam
I sure am glad the thread was cleared up for more Bakker and Sanderson shitposting. I was worried things might get better for a day, there.

[Anonymous No.20052577]

>>20052567
Pretty sure grandpa gohan and Roshi made sure to teach him right from wrong. Also, pretty sure Goku can’t stand seeing evil shit in front of him. Which is why Frieza pissed him so much to begin with.

[Anonymous No.20052597]

>>20052562
It’s depressing to see that shit.

[Anonymous No.20052600]

>>20052313
elden ring desu

[Anonymous No.20052607]

>>20052310
> i liked MST a lot but as you say got a bit bummed by its size, won't read any of his big series for a while.
I will say that Tad Williams improved over time. MST is his most ponderous story, Otherland is a bit faster, Shadowmarch is where I think he really hit his stride. They all have the same general rhythm of slow build up and big climax, but he gets faster at the build up, and better about sprinkling in smaller climaxes leading up to the big finale. So just to know that if you've read MST, you've gone through Tad Williams at his most daunting.

>describe Otherland
Otherland is a near-future sci-fi series set on Earth, or more accurately, mostly on the internet. The internet is a virtual reality space in this story, but the ability to engage with it varies depending on how much money you have. Poor folks make do with VR headsets not all that different from what we have now (this series was written over 20 years ago, mind), so just visual and audio input, but wealthier people get neural implants that let them simulate other senses and have full immersion.

It's been a long time since I've read it, maybe 10 years or so, so bear with me trying to recall how to summarize the plot. Basically, you have characters all over the world, they don't know one another, but are drawn together because they each in their own way stumble onto this conspiracy involving many of the richest, most powerful people in the world, though none of them even suspects how deep the rabbit hole goes at first. Each has their own reasons for pursuing their leads, many of them very serious, some with life or death stakes. Many of them are not even interested in this conspiracy and don't even know it exists, they're just trying to solve their own problems. There's a lot more I could say about it, but I think it's better discovered.

But it's still got the Tad Williams trademarks in that it is dripping with mysticism and mythology, but since this is Earth and not fantasy-earth, there's no need for changing names around or relying on obvious allusions, he can just directly reference the familiar myths and legends we know. It's hard to really explain in brief, but in the story there is this recurring theme of using virtual reality to reclaim things, to keep dying cultures alive, to bring back the past and make it real and alive, and this includes both personal histories and ancient myths. Several characters have strong mythological aspects to their narratives. It's an interesting blend of the mystical and the technological, and Tad just really gets to show off how much obscure knowledge he has of different cultural traditions.

[Anonymous No.20052641]

>>20052600
Give a serious answer.

[Anonymous No.20052662]

>>20052317
>>20052322
Wish he focuses on Dunk and Egg. Holy shit, I've been waiting for their journey to the North for a while.

[Anonymous No.20052665]

>>20052577
That's what I said. Although maybe I shouldn't have used a double negative.

[Anonymous No.20052666]

Ponder this: Romance fantasy that doesn't involve supernatural creatures.

[Anonymous No.20052673]

>>20052666
what do you mean by romance fantasy

[Anonymous No.20052677]

>>20052673
Fantasy where the focus is romance and nothing else.

[Anonymous No.20052689]

>>20052677
so smut?

[Anonymous No.20052701]

>>20052677
Does Outlander count?

[Anonymous No.20052706]

>>20052677
>Fantasy where the focus is romance
And you want this without the supernatural creatures?

[Anonymous No.20052711]

Where to start with Jack Vance?

[Anonymous No.20052714]

>>20052711
With his first book.

[Anonymous No.20052723]

>>20052711
Dying earth
Planet of adventure
Araminta station

[Anonymous No.20052731]

>>20052711
Dying Earth, since it's a collection of small stories. If the oddly formal prose doesn't deter you, you can continue with the other Dying Earth books.

[Anonymous No.20052745]

>>20052641
that was a serious answer

[Anonymous No.20052756]

>>20052256
Daily reminder that Vegeta is a manlet and never won against a villain. Is it any surprise he seethes at Goku?

[Anonymous No.20052758]

>>20052313
Meathouse Man

[Anonymous No.20052782]

>>20052665
Yeah, looking back, I misread what you typed, my bad.

[Anonymous No.20052792]

>>20052139
Ah, android 16 was the hype at shit, especially when Gohan turn ssj 2. Fuck, what a wild ride.

[Anonymous No.20052795]

>>20052792
*Hypest

[Anonymous No.20052801]

>>20051984
Holy fuck, why are you on /lit/ with this attitude.

[Anonymous No.20052806]

New thread
>>20052803

[Anonymous No.20052813]

>>20052806
The bakkerspamming faggot returned.

[Anonymous No.20052872]

>>20052813
When will the mods ban him again?

[Anonymous No.20052951]

>>20051698
I'm pretty sure the 'fanart' is official. Sanderson has largely said that his descriptions are comparatively vague so anybody's interpretation is fine for them, though, but he clearly had an idea for what characters looked like (Kaladin and Szeth particularly always look near-identical in all art).

[Anonymous No.20052959]

>>20052607
>Otherland
Oh shit I heard of this series because of that weird fucking MMO based on the series that was sort of a beautiful mess.

[Anonymous No.20053096]

>>20052677
The Earth children series.
You just have to make it past Clan of the Cave Bear
Then its all
>Jondalar!
>Jondalar!!
>Oh JONDALAAAAAR

[Anonymous No.20054134]

Good day, how does this compare to his previous works

[Anonymous No.20054163]

>>20054134
Read it and find out.