/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20048237]

Nirvana, moksha sound boring and cuckolded af. If reincarnation were real who wouldn’t want to experience life over and over again? Any books that criticize Eastern religions’ liberation cuckoldry? Hard mode: by other Asians.

[Anonymous No.20048252]

>>20048237
Most sects of Daoism pretty much does. It takes a more affirmative view of rebirth/immortality.

[Anonymous No.20048285]

>>20048237
Mahayana Buddhism is highly critical of taking nirvana to mean eternal cessation of existence

[Anonymous No.20048295]

>>20048285
> Mahayana Buddhism is highly critical of taking nirvana to mean eternal cessation of existence
instead, they posit an indefinable vague nothingness, which nobody in their right mind would be critical of huh

>Modern philosophical schools of Buddhism are all more or less influenced by a spirit of sophistic nihilism. They deal with Nirvāṇa as they deal with every other dogma, with heaven and hell: they deny its objective reality, placing it altogether in the abstract. They dissolve every proposition into a thesis and its anti-thesis and deny both. Thus they say Nirvāṇa is no annihilation, but they also deny its positive objective reality.

>According to them the soul enjoys in Nirvāṇa neither existence nor non-existence, it is neither eternal nor non-eternal, neither annihilated nor non-annihilated. Nirvāṇa is to them a state of which nothing can be said, to which no attributes can be given; it is altogether an abstract, devoid alike of all positive and negative qualities.

>What shall we say of such empty useless speculations, such sickly, dead words, whose fruitless sophistry offers to that natural yearning of the human heart after an eternal rest nothing better than a philosophical myth? It is but natural that a religion which started with moral and intellectual bankruptcy should end in moral and intellectual suicide.

- Ernst Johann Eitel

[Anonymous No.20048315]

>>20048237
How is nirvana cuckolded when compared to enduring eternal circle of existential cuckoldry, suffering and soul grinding?
I'm just curious about what type of argument you expect to hear. Reincarnation going towards some goal other than nirvana or just something life affirming?

[Anonymous No.20048360]

>>20048295
>refusing to reify delusions is nihilism
filtered

[Anonymous No.20048362]

>>20048237
>If reincarnation were real who wouldn’t want to experience life over and over again?
that's retarded and life is the same over and over. you have sensations and they are pleasing, neutral or displeasing. woah. How many sensations do you need before getting bored with them?

Plus you can't have rebirth without suffering and the goal is to remove suffering, so rebirth goes with it

[Anonymous No.20048377]

The Vinegar Tasters

[Anonymous No.20048391]

>>20048362
>you have sensations and they are pleasing, neutral or displeasing. woah.

kek based celestial buddha anon dabbing on worldlings

[Anonymous No.20048716]

>>20048315
Life affirming

[Anonymous No.20048718]

>>20048362
>muh soofering
Life is the greatest gift.

[Anonymous No.20048820]

>>20048295
>According to them the soul
Yeah, great Buddhist scholarship retard, no wonder Buddhist threads on this board are always sub 80 IQ.

[Anonymous No.20048888]

>>20048295
the guenonfag citing obscure eurpoean authors that got filtered ny nagarjuna, again, this is why you want nirvana OP, to be free of this level of obsession and fixation
this is the prime example of why the mind needs liberation of their neurotical patterns

[Anonymous No.20048899]

It doesn't matter. Buddhism is not compatible with industrialization. This is the Dharma ending age, and we need to end the technological-industrial order.

[Anonymous No.20049137]

>>20048295
Buddhism is pure sophistry. Many cite Pyrrhus as a “Greek Buddhist” but they might as well cite Euthydemus. Read Plato’s dialogue of that name to see the same style of argumentation:
>I didn’t affirm this, I affirmed not-this
>oh but I didn’t affirm not-this either lol!
It’s childish and most annoying. The West got read of that garbage two and a half millennia ago, but the price of the perpetual revolution (that the West has become) is being a civilization without memory.

[Anonymous No.20049188]

>>20049137
Keep seething about your histrionic delusions while the adults study the noble path

[Anonymous No.20049220]

>>20049137
Western cultural legacy is overrated trash.

[Anonymous No.20049231]

>>20049188
>>20049220
>t. clueless zoomers

[Anonymous No.20049239]

>>20049231
I've read more than you. The West basically spread a cancer around the world (industrialization). Fuck the West and your oversocialized garbage "tradition" of Cuckstianity. I'd disembowel you right there and then, you pro-science faggot cuck. Shut the fuck up. Your disgusting Faustian people have spread a curse around this entire world. Eat shit.

[Anonymous No.20049247]

>>20049188
>>20049220
>n-n-no mom it’s not just a phase! I can’t talk to women because I need to reach enlightenment!!!

[Anonymous No.20049254]

>>20049231
You are whining about a "perpetual revolution" and being a "civilization without memory" because you self-radicalized yourself into being a tardlarper three months ago, yes? Now, you could have just as well made yourself into any other performative idpol release valve, but you were attracted to that one because it asks absolutely nothing of you except that you whine and mope constantly like the slave moralist you are. Your "I-made-this" mentality is more childlish than anything you associate with your designated enemies.

[Anonymous No.20049269]

>>20049247
If you haven't had a genghis khan sized litter of children with women from every European country you won't be able save the West. Sorry to be the one to break it to you

[Anonymous No.20049328]

>>20049269
K. I’m going to enjoy a large Christian family and you’ll be meditating into your old age until reach some subjective feeling of completion. You can quit this LARP before you regret your life decisions.

[Anonymous No.20049347]

>>20049328
>anyone familiar with Buddhism and not the strawman versions of it is a monk
ok retard, the religion that banned the Altar of Victory from Rome and encouraged people to spite the authorities for having the gall to suggest people respect the state will certainly save a dying civilization rather than harvest its organs, and I am sure you are entirely sincere in your beliefs and not just cargo culting because you want various boons associated in your mind with historical Europe

[Anonymous No.20049395]

>>20049239
>>20049254
>mom’s gonna FREAK after she finds out I converted to Buddhism
>on the internet
>and by converted I mean read a few books about it

[Anonymous No.20049406]

>>20049395
Not the same person.
I was a part of a Soto Zen monastery for a few years, and I've read a considerable amount.
I would disembowel you, icchantika.

[Anonymous No.20049408]

>>20048315
>enduring eternal circle of existential cuckoldry, suffering and soul grinding?
You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine.

[Anonymous No.20049416]

>>20049395
>living in someone else's household as their ward
>having a valid opinion on lifestyles or philosophies
maybe you are too young to discuss anything more complicated than tiktok, idk

[Anonymous No.20049427]

>>20048377
checked and possibly answering OP's question

[Anonymous No.20049428]

>>20049406
Sounds like that’s your ego talking! You better go meditate that ego away siddLARPha

[Anonymous No.20049441]

>>20049428
Every single world tradition has been denigrated by industrialization. You Christcuck pos LARPers don't care since you exist in a state of sin in your religion, and you can just cleanse it all by asking a dumb kike on a stick for forgiveness on deathbed.
Christianity is the most haphazard and dumb tradition in this world, giving way to industrialization and basically destroying all civilizational spheres.

[Anonymous No.20049476]

>>20049441
That’s a giant blanket statement; I think you’re confusing all of Christianity with Evangelicals and Pentacostals. Christianity is not all at fault, but the abandonment and modification of Christianity, arguably starting with Luther, led to modernity.
Buddhism on the other hand… I’m sorry but convince me it’s not an antinatalist scheme?

[Anonymous No.20049526]

>>20049476
>christianity 'went wrong' with Luther and we need to stop abandoning/modifying Christianity
>Luther's MO was reading the Bible in the vernacular and ignoring the un-biblical silt that had piled up on top of the Israel for Dummies manual after centuries of the religion being controlled by the second sons of the nobility
No it sounds like what is wrong here are the roots. You think returning to your roots means medieval Christianity, but that was a full thousand years separated from the culture war against the Roman empire by its militarily subjugated population of seething slave moralists, and it is that early Christianity which was subverted by the conquering stratum you admire. Luther's project, which you so denigrate, is effectively in the same spirit as yours.

[Anonymous No.20049530]

>>20049476
So you're claiming Catholicism would not have led to industrialization?
Read the Lotus, Diamond, and Platform sutras.
It's not antinatalistic because being born as human being is considered most fit for enlightenment.
Calling Buddhism antinatalistic is like calling Catholicism antinatalistic because most priests are celibate.

[Anonymous No.20049565]

>>20049530
I would not recommend the Lotus Sutra to someone unfamiliar with Buddhism. It is almost entirely dedicated to the sectarian debate between Mahayana and non-Mahayana Buddhism. It's also extremely meta in that it incessantly reminds you that it should be read and privileged above other such texts.

[Anonymous No.20049571]

>>20048360
>everyone who disagrees with me is deluded
no different from the SeraphimRosefag calling everyone demon-possessed

[Anonymous No.20049572]

>>20049565
That's a valid point. The Lotus Sutra itself said to only recommend text midway or later in one's path if I remember correctly.
I suppose my number one recommendation is the Platform Sutra then.

[Anonymous No.20049579]

>>20048888
Nagarjuna got filtered by the Upanishads

[Anonymous No.20049585]

>>20049579
Buddhism lives rent free in Indian theology to this day while no Buddhist from Tibet to Japan cares one iota about Hinduism.

[Anonymous No.20049606]

>>20049585

Hinduism lives rent free in Buddhist metaphysics to this day, that's why Mahayana Buddhists of all sorts still study arguments against things like Nyaya and Samkhya, and why mention of Hindu schools and teachings appears throughout the works of the important Mahayana Indian thinkers like Nagarjuna, Asanga, Vasubandhu, Shantaraksita etc

[Anonymous No.20049622]

>>20049606
yes and they all refuted "god did it" or "i must be eternal because the vedas say so" while all the refutations of emptiness are based on setting up a strawman of "nihilism" and ridiculing it

[Anonymous No.20049641]

>>20049606
>of the important Mahayana Indian thinkers like Nagarjuna, Asanga, Vasubandhu, Shantaraksita etc
Dhamakirti is important too. Dogen's time-being actually parallel Dharmakirti's nominalistic philosophy a lot.

[Anonymous No.20049647]

>>20049641
>Dhamakirti
Dharmakirti*

[Anonymous No.20049684]

>>20049622
>yes and they all refuted "god did it" or "i must be eternal because the vedas say so"
Lol, no they didn't, Buddhists lost the debate in India, that's why Buddhists are less than 1% of the population there

[Anonymous No.20049693]

How do buddhists even know that they've escaped the cycle of reincarnation?

[Anonymous No.20049703]

>>20049684
Yes religions and ideas in general succeed purely on their correctness and there are no issues around the quality of the exposition of the doctrines, royal patronages, political concerns, psychology of conversion, etc. That is why today everyone knows the truth of any subject matter, because all the false readings of it have been wholly eradicated and instruction in the remaining truths is so complete and perfect as to make discussion redundant. "Whatever wins is true'" said the post-modern theologian, nervously glancing at Nietzsche's moustache.

[Anonymous No.20049781]

>>20048315
>>20048315
Your own scriptures state that there is no nirvana, no impurity and no attainment, making your religion pointless and stupid. The Buddha, all bodhisattvas and me are on the same level with respect to liberation from said eternal circle (because there is no attainment). And you and I are on the same level, no matter how many hours you spend sitting like a tard abd how many years you cuck yourself out of eating meat and drinking and having sex (not that you would have a choice in that matter lol). Buddhism is the dumbest fucking religion in existence and that’s saying a lot.

[Anonymous No.20049785]

>>20048237
>who wouldn’t want to experience life over and over again?

Because your odds of being a well off human or higher being are very low, they would say you’ll spend most of that time in living Hell as a bug or something.

[Anonymous No.20049809]

>>20049781
>it's another episode of /lit/ reads a few sentences of summarized "Buddhist teachings" and produces a hostile interpretation of them without any contextual support

[Anonymous No.20049833]

>>20049809
Sometimes I wonder if these guys have read a single sutta from the Pali canon or even Mahayana sutra.

[Anonymous No.20049906]

>>20049833
It's on par with assuming Christians are cannibals based on a description of the Eucharist

[Anonymous No.20049919]

>>20049693
They can see that they have no attachment to anything. When there is no attachment, reincarnation can't occur. It's like how I know my car won't run if it doesn't have any gas. They just know.
There are lots of people who think they're enlightened who really aren't, but they're pretty easy to spot because they're full of attachment and desire.

[Anonymous No.20049922]

Who do you want to follow: a plump, effeminate alieny looking thing who practices self-mutilation (the ears) or a strong man?

[Anonymous No.20049945]

>>20049919
ok so it's just unsubstantiated nonsense then?

[Anonymous No.20049949]

>>20049922
I want to chop wood and then help the fish.

[Anonymous No.20049956]

>>20049922
>Perennial thinker
The left one achieved theosis, and the right one is the Dharma Incarnate anon

[Anonymous No.20049974]

>>20049922
>a warrior prince vs a homosexual jew
Tough choice lmfao.

>>20049945
Good summation of [insert garbage that you believe], not sure what it has to do with the thread though.

[Anonymous No.20050039]

>>20049922
>left: a fully enlightened, thicc, lustrious son of a noble house
>right: some guy who was killed for being a nuisance and whose followers became an even greater nuisance to the public

[Anonymous No.20050085]

online buddhists tend to be the most hateful people on the internet. the irony... one of the core tenets of buddhism is not doing any harm to anything, even through speech.

but of course these buddhists online are crypto atheists larping

[Anonymous No.20050096]

Reminder that Buddhism leads to transgenderism

[Anonymous No.20050101]

>>20050085
Industrialization cannot coexist with any tradition.

[Anonymous No.20050113]

>>20050101
what's your point? the decline was bound to happen. even buddha says the true buddhist religion would last for 500 years and become a shadow. in the gospels it's written the end times will be marked by atheism. muhammed said every next generation would be worse and so on.

[Anonymous No.20050115]

>>20050096
So why are Christian majority nations so permissive of it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights

[Anonymous No.20050127]

>>20050085
online christians tend to be the most hateful people on the internet. the irony... one of the core tenets of christianity is doing unto others as you would do unto yourself.

but of course these christians online are crypto atheists larping

[Anonymous No.20050219]

>>20050127
see? exactly. online buddhists have an anti-christian bias, they carry a lot of resentment towards christianity, which is one of the things that drive them towards buddhism. if you critize their failure to keep their own buddhist doctrines they will take the opportunity to further try to attack christianity. resentment lives rent free in their hearts.

you have only proved that online buddhists carry resentment. which is not a surprise. i have seen a lot of materialistic people drawn to buddhism purely for its skepticism and 'atheistic' stance

[Anonymous No.20050226]

>>20050219
It's kind of hard not to hate Abrahamic religions because they don't really have strong philosophical foundations.
As a Buddhist, I can respect Hindus and our differences, but I'm not going to respect Abrahamists.
Also, there's a difference between disdain and outright hatred.

[Anonymous No.20050245]

>>20050115
They are secular nations. A Christian nation would put these people to death as the Bible teaches.

[Anonymous No.20050250]

>>20050096
The problem is with the culture **promoting** transgenderism. No one would give a shit about transgenders if it wasn't constantly being encouraged by the elite for some kind of social engineering purpose. The Buddha viewed them as mentally ill but still treated them with compassion.

[Anonymous No.20050256]

>>20050226
so your measure for religion is 'philosophical foundation' (whatever that may be)? are rebirth, moksha, nirvana philosophically demonstrable? no. they are doctrinal axioms. revelation is by necessity above philosophy.

your idea of a 'philosophical foundation' is purely western, and modern too. pythagoras did not think he was dealing in philosophical terms, starting a philosophical school, for him it was all religion.

was the ritualism of proclus un-philosophical? numenius called plato the attic moses. pythagoras was initiated in the order of elias etc.

[Anonymous No.20050268]

>>20050256
>your idea of a 'philosophical foundation' is purely western, and modern too.
A combination of phenomenological insight and grounded experience.
>are rebirth, moksha, nirvana philosophically demonstrable? no.
Yes, storehouse consciousness can be philosophically defended through the use of Henri Bergson's philosophy. Storehouse Consciousness is equivalent to Tathagatagarbha and involved in producing seeds, or latent energies, for proceeding lives.
>revelation is by necessity above philosophy.
Experience > philosophy
Claims of revelation are unfounded.

[Anonymous No.20050284]

>>20050268
>phenomological
>bergson
>Claims of revelation are unfounded.
sorry i dont talk to modern*sts.

[Anonymous No.20050289]

>>20050256
>>20050268
Also, emptiness is just leading to the claim "there is no bottom turtle" or, in other words, lack of fixed being or an underlying essence. You can philosophically defend it or kind of tacitly apprehend it from watching the movements of one's own mind.

[Anonymous No.20050295]

>>20050284
I'm not a modernist. I just know this quote from Dogen is 100% correct:

"If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?" - Dōgen

I see the entire truth of dukkha, anatta and anicca right now. I didn't even need exposure to Buddhism to figure it out.

[Anonymous No.20050312]

>>20049693
It's not at all like what the other anon said.

They don't know that because they know they haven't achieved it. The thing that makes the historical Buddha great in the first place is that he is the one who liberated himself from this cycle, he is the enlightened one, or the awakened one (which is the meaning of the title "buddha") all other beings are still in the wheel of samsara. There are plenty of "levels" of awakening and of delusion, the great masters and buddhists of the past reach incredible levels of detachment after decades of practice, but it's not a switch that you simply turn on and that's it. Forget about enlightenment in that sense. The historical Buddha himself was just a person and he stressed that several times, he had back pain, he also had to eat, sleep and shit, he was just a guy, but his relationship to the world was different.

It is said that we all have buddha nature (all beings), in the sense that we have all that what is needed to wake up, but animals are entranced in their survival routine and us humans are somewhat special because we can meditate, we experience pain and joy and the ability to reflect upon it and move on. If you meditate you notice it, you know deep down when you are phoning it in or when you are really in the moment, sometimes it's just a glimpse and then you are back, but the point is there is nothing to prove to anyone, you have to go through it yourself. The practice of buddhism has a lot to do with cultivating and improving on that state, not only when sitting in meditation, but throughout all activities. Buddhism has a lot to do with taking responsibility and peeling off all of the egoistic attempts to prevail, including the wish to be enlightened. You may lie to others and you may lie to yourself, buddhism makes you aware of when you are lying to yourself.

"Reincarnation" is sort of a western word for it, because there needs to be a soul to incarnate in a body and that's not the buddhist view, that's why "rebirth" is more commonly used. The very concept of life and death is different, imo, because the person you were yesterday is dead, the world of yesterday is dead. The realms of existence are not so much like dimensions you wake up after your body dies, but also states of mind that we all experience, coming and going everyday. Sometimes we are like animals, ever tried having a complex thought when you really just need to take a piss? Sometimes we are privilege with such pleasured states that we forget things come to an end, that is an illusion too. In buddhist practice we try to be aware of these states, how they change and how they affect us.

[Anonymous No.20050315]

Oof, wodda tred

Buddhism and Christianity both arose from movements intended to liberate their followers from self-evaluation and self-discrimination on the basis of class/caste. Besides the political ripples after the fact, they're functionally identical in their intent and meaning, right up until John and Paul subverted Christianity into an odd, patriarchal death-cult. Full stop.

All later texts attempting to highlight extraneous features among various sects in either religion are basically meaningless, painting creative interpretations for essentially populist, therapeutic, social movements. It's even been considered that Jesus was likely a symbolic figure for the various Buddhists that had migrated to the region around that time. Christianity, despite all the noise in this thread, was probably the result of Buddhism mixing with Judaism.

[Anonymous No.20050322]

>>20050315
I don't need Jesus for enlightenment.
I already am a Buddha.

[Anonymous No.20050326]

>>20050322
Seems fine, good for you. Ever read the boxcar children?

[Anonymous No.20050330]

>>20050289
buddhism and hinduism have the same 'philosophical foundation' yet one is completely in opposition to the other. for example what you speak of would be called the movements of the jiva, which in no way would deny the existence of the atman

>>20050295
so you are just a nihilist. again, where is the philosophical foundation of 'hinduism', which you respect for having, when they madhvacharya and ramanuja claim liberation is achieved by servile devotion to vishnu?

how can these two religions that have 'strong philosophical foundation' be so different? just admit you are biased towards christianity because of your disgust towards the western world. but then again christianity is also an eastern religion

[Anonymous No.20050341]

biased against*

some other errors as well

[Anonymous No.20050353]

>>20050219
>i can criticize you but you can't criticize me by the same standard
typical duplicity

[Anonymous No.20050365]

>>20050330
>opposition to the other.
Yes, but the Dharmic dialectic involves fruitful debate between the two. Fruitful debate cannot exist between an Abrahamist and a Dharmic practitioner on the other hand. We begin with different fundamental assumptions. My fundamental assumption is that the truth exists within me, and the truth will never be found external from my mind. Now the nature of the truth within me can be debated. I take it to be empty whereas Advaitans say it is pure awareness.
>just admit you are biased towards christianity because of your disgust towards the western world.
I am disgusted by industrialization as a whole. Granted, it did begin with the Western world, but every country that has adopted industrialization is equally to blame.
>so you are just a nihilist.
There are precepts. I am not awakened/enlightened.

[Anonymous No.20050368]

>>20050256
>revelation is by necessity above philosophy
ah yes, the mentally impoverished fideist shows his hand; "just believe me"

[Anonymous No.20050372]

>>20050353
i did not call buddhists 'cucks' or 'cuckkhists'. in fact, i never disrespected buddhists. i only attack them when i see the villany such as these

[Anonymous No.20050377]

>>20050315
>Buddhists that had migrated to the region around that time.
There is scant evidence of what could be Indian ascetics in Alexandria. There is nothing for Palestine. Christianity is Hellenic Judaism with a mystery cult.

[Anonymous No.20050383]

>>20050250
>Buddha viewed them as mentally ill but still treated them with compassion.
Source? Buddhism has no epistemological foundation to assert psychic normativity. You could reply to the Buddha buddhistically — that is snarky and sophistically — that since everything is name and form mental illness is just a label and there is no objective standard of mental health against which he can compare and assert this is healthy and this is ill. In other words that’s just like, your opinion, man.

[Anonymous No.20050394]

>>20050365
>I am disgusted by industrialization as a whole. Granted, it did begin with the Western world, but every country that has adopted industrialization is equally to blame.
there is nothing intrinsically western about christianity or abrahamic religions.

[Anonymous No.20050402]

>>20050372
You are holding "online buddhists" to a far higher standard than "online christians" so I can only assume you sympathize with low-literacy arguments like "if not the bible then what?" or "by giving my tabletop character the Perennial Orthodox religion he receives a buff against degeneracy"

[Anonymous No.20050404]

Buddhist philosophy amounts to cheap dime-a-dozen sophistry. Any high school in the world is full of such “masters” and “sages”.

[Anonymous No.20050416]

>>20050383
I remembered incorrectly.
Honestly, I care little for this question when I'm reflecting on life and death matters, which seem more likely as food chain supply may be disrupted.

[Anonymous No.20050419]

>>20050402
no. i observe things very well, and i know most online buddhists are more hateful towards christianity than online christians are towards buddhism

many /pol/ users are attracted by the buddhist 'aesthetic' AND anti-christian sentiments. and they are often the ones who like to drop 'cuck' terms

[Anonymous No.20050421]

>>20050404
>things I don't like are sophistry
or
>philosophy should be illegible to non-specialists and depend on a highly ritualized presentation
What's your issue exactly?

[Anonymous No.20050433]

>I’ll just say I don’t hold any views so no one can pin me down and hold me to it and consequently refute me (even though I actually do hold views)
>can’t refute me if I (claim I) don’t believe in anything (even though I do)

[Anonymous No.20050437]

>>20050419
Both are cucked. Islam is the only non cucked religion currently.

[Anonymous No.20050440]

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[Anonymous No.20050447]

>>20048237
>who wouldn’t want to experience life over and over again
That's the ultimate test. To let go of the wonder of living. Even gods cannot transcend this ultimate challenge

[Anonymous No.20050448]

>>20050268
>A combination of phenomenological insight and grounded experience.
>Yes, storehouse consciousness can be philosophically defended through the use of Henri Bergson's philosophy. Storehouse Consciousness is equivalent to Tathagatagarbha and involved in producing seeds, or latent energies, for proceeding lives.
>Experience > philosophy

WTH I LOVE BUDDHISM!!!!!
SO SCIENTIFIC

[Anonymous No.20050451]

Skepticism 101 + Redditor mind set + smells and bells = Buddhism

[Anonymous No.20050452]

>>20050448
I would have preferred living in pre-industrial times. Science, especially modern medicine, is just a bunch of bullshit.

[Anonymous No.20050454]

>>20050452
why do you speak in modern academic terms then

[Anonymous No.20050457]

>>20050419
>most
>/pol/
I have not seen anyone argue for Christianity on this site in recent memory from a non far-right perspective. Buddhism is routinely castigated, even ITT, as being culturally left wing. (I don't agree, but I also don't particularly care about assigning a direction to a religion in order to decide which is more acceptable). So it would seem /pol/ and Christianity overlap far more than Buddhism.

[Anonymous No.20050459]

>>20050452
Pre-modern “medicine” was almost as dangerous as the disease if not more

[Anonymous No.20050466]

>>20050459
Not true. Most of "modern" medicine was backed by the Rockefellers, utilizing petrochemicals, and to make people more dependent on this shitty industrial system. They have done their best to attack naturopathy. Green black walnut tincture, unpasteurized sauerkraut, very meager amount of colloidal silver, and even cow urine all work better than antibiotics, petrochemical based medicine, and more.

[Anonymous No.20050638]

>>20050312
I can get much of what der Buddha is saying. A lot of it just seems like common sense. But where is the evidence that human beans are trapped in a cycle of reincarnation? Am I supposed to become a High Level Meditator™ to attain the proofs of this knowledge?

If I can recognise the mental trappings of my current cycle, thereby distancing myself from the trappings through the act of recognition, then why would I need to exert effort to escape it or subscribe to a religion promoting escape?

t. drunk and very poorly read on buddhism

[Anonymous No.20050672]

>>20050638
Thought gives continuance to time, and when thought is pacified via nonjudgmental awareness, there is an experience of timelessness, which we call "suchness".

[Anonymous No.20050686]

>>20050672
I have had brief glimpses into such things but I still haven't encountered anything that proves a cycle of reincarnation.

[Anonymous No.20050737]

>>20050686
It's not good to grasp or cling at such phenomena, but I have had past (or future) life recollections (or foresight) of lives as a garuda.

[Anonymous No.20050744]

>>20050737
>lives as a garuda
life as a garuda*

[Anonymous No.20050775]

>>20050737
sounds very wishy-washy to me my man

[Anonymous No.20050859]

>>20050638
I can appreciate getting drunk and discussing buddhism online, have done this many times myself.

>But where is the evidence that human beans are trapped in a cycle of reincarnation?
Again, try to see the "cycle of reincarnation" as you call it as something different from the western view of reincarnation, it's not about guesswork on where you are going to pop up next after you die. The cycle is within life itself, the evidence is everyday life. You may be angry one day and the world becomes a blur, but when you are calm you regret it and can't even understand how you got to that point. Now you are drunk, you can't understand how a sober person feels at this moment. Tomorrow you'll be sober and you can't access this drunk feeling just by thinking about it. When you were a child you had your preoccupations and wishes, now they are gone, that child does not exist anymore, you have other things to worry about and to look forward to. They too will go away someday and be replaced with other things. That's the cycle. That's the very cycle of samsara and buddhist simply believe that this cycle extends through days, months, years, lifetimes...

>Am I supposed to become a High Level Meditator™ to attain the proofs of this knowledge?
Not at all, you can rationalize like I did in the previous paragraph and observe. You can go to a session of guided meditation and it's not hard to achieve some level of stillness we don't normally have in everyday life. That is a seed, a glimpse of the very same thing every meditator has crossed. High Level Meditators™ simply go further and they incorporate that state to their lives.

>If I can recognise the mental trappings of my current cycle, thereby distancing myself from the trappings through the act of recognition, then why would I need to exert effort to escape it or subscribe to a religion promoting escape?
The rational recognition is not enough to change things. Just like smokers know smoking is bad for them, but do it anyway. We are always tricking ourselves into them. One of the most common metaphors for meditation is that if you mess with the bottom of a river, dirt comes flowing all around, but if you keep still, the dirt falls to the river floor again and the water becomes clearer. Meditation is a practice, like training a muscle. The religion itself is just offering tools and techniques to recognise these mental trappings in a more profound way. Sometimes we understand stuff rationally, but not really, something needs to "click" and then it becomes inevitable.

[Anonymous No.20051509]

>>20049906
which happened

[Anonymous No.20051516]

>>20049974
>prince
why is this lie so perpetuated

[Anonymous No.20051621]

>>20048237
>If reincarnation were real who wouldn’t want to experience life over and over again?
Why would you want to experience an eternity of pointless suffering?

[Anonymous No.20051891]

>>20050101
Industrialization cannot coexist with any PREVIOUS traditions. New ones will emerge from their ashes. You should try to create them.

[Anonymous No.20051912]

>>20050245
Sorry, Chud, but the bible teaches that love is love and that love is God.

[Anonymous No.20051992]

>>20050394
Nice to see Christians backtracking on their views on Christianity being western or not depending on the argument they're having.

[Anonymous No.20052076]

>>20050638
>Am I supposed to become a High Level Meditator™ to attain the proofs of this knowledge?
yeah

[Anonymous No.20052081]

>>20050383
>there is no objective standard of mental health against which he can compare and assert this is healthy and this is ill.
enlightenment is the standard, as long as no enlightenment people are mentally sick.

[Anonymous No.20052170]

>>20051516
What's more historically likely, a literate prince founding a new religion, or a reanimated hobo founding one?

[Anonymous No.20052410]

>>20050466
My god dude >>>/pol/ is that way

[Anonymous No.20052532]

>>20048716
If you want life affirming, check out Chan texts like blue cliff record, gateless gate and dahuis treasury.
From buddha worship you will not find any.

[Anonymous No.20052545]

>>20049406
Lol, lmao. There is no soto zen left anymore. You've been scammed by fake gurus like so many before, and now you're a poser posturing, thinking your sore buttcheeks from sitting means anything.

[Anonymous No.20052549]

>>20049641
Dogen is not zen. He never met his supposed teacher in china and his book is plagiarized from an earlier meditation school text.
And neither is Hakuin with his fake koans and fake answers. Nice art tho.

[Anonymous No.20052884]

For whatever reason humans have an innate tendency for religiosity. Buddhism -- with its lack of emphasis on ritual and disregard for communal and familial ties -- provides the modern (last-)man with the trappings of spirituality with no strings attached, thus being the perfect apartment/internet religion for the bugmanite.
It also (nominally) does not bind him to any specific ontology or metaphysics (even though it does, but they manage to evade these questions through training in sophism and duplicity -- different claims for different audiences).
>Buddhism is just psychology bro. Oh and phenomenology bro.
What is phenomenology to you?
>Phenomenology is like a get-out-of-jail card that let's you claim stuff exists that don't (necessarily) exist, so you can't say I really believe in them
It's not surprising that a society in its terminal phase should adopt worldviews like that. That sophists -- together with democracy -- emerged in Athens in the decadent phase of Greek civilization. It is -- as they say -- what it is.

[Anonymous No.20052918]

>>20052884
>decadent phase
I've posted some time ago an excerpt from a book that discussed how Buddhism emerged when the Aryans transitioned from a pastoralist to a settled, urban(ite) phase, thus spelling the dusk of the Rig-Vedic civilization. The filth, the mixing of languages and peoples, the existence of hobos, lepers and the movement of traveling merchants were the backdrop against which Siddharta developed his philosophy.

[Anonymous No.20052930]

>decadent phase
I've posted some time ago an excerpt from a book that discussed how Buddhism emerged when the Aryans transitioned from a pastoralist to a settled, urban(ite) phase, thus spelling the dusk of the Rig-Vedic civilization. The filth, the mixing of languages and peoples, the presence of mendicants, lepers and the movement of traveling merchants were the backdrop against which Siddharta developed his philosophy.

[Anonymous No.20052953]

>The filth, the mixing of languages and peoples, the presence of mendicants, lepers and the movement of traveling merchants
Which is very similar to conditions in Palestine during the time of Jesus of Nazareth. Nietzsche compared Buddhism and Christianity. Both were religions of decadence, but one was an Aryan and lordly expression and the other a Semitic and slavish (according to Nietzsche).

[Anonymous No.20052964]

>>20052884
You are a swarthy preacher mocking the only noble way left and failing to see its construct is vanishing.
You say bugman but you impute sin on the modern Buddhist seeker where you should look at our increasingly worsening alienating conditions. Look at:
>>20052953
We are being stolen from and coerced and betrayed by NPCs who are blissfully unaware of the WEF promising us we will own nothing and be happy. You know I will be happy and equanimous and Jesus did not help me but hinder me. Buddha helped me help me and helped me stop hindering me. I don't have to worship Buddha or go to hell. I don't have to have no other gods before Buddha. I just have to be single pointed in my striving. Buddha did not expect his Chinese disciples to read Vedanta nor his Thai nor even Kmher and all the far lands that managed to endorse his message in his life time. Neither do whites have to pick up chop sticks and Desi apparel.
We are being destroyed. I accept it before it happens because to die like a Buddhist is almost as good as marrying like a Christian. Magpie religion is itself embraced for it's noble DIY range of accomplishment and humble shortcomings whereas cathedrals masked both discredited to the powerful priesthood where JESUS is responsible for healing not doctors and patients. No. Human effort alone is humble and noble.

[Anonymous No.20053001]

>>20049922
Why is Buddha a fat chink or a fat gook when he was a fit Jeet? Because fat chinks and Gooks sculpted never saw no Jeet they want in their temple space. So I can make Gigachad in robes my Buddha. There I have a strong man. Done. I modified GNU/Buddhism to have muscles and keto and 21st century alms rounds by e begging online since physically traveling with bowl and robes is obsolete by our infrastructure. The SANGHAS here don't do that even.
But hey Jesus isn't strong. That's girly Borgia. I might as well sculpt a blond Thor Super Saiyan Hitler. But would the cute black girl at my local waffle house tattoo SSJ3 GigaHitler onto her arms like she did WHITE HANDSOME JESUS? Not until we achieve cultural victory, Sid Meier, not until then.

[Anonymous No.20053008]

>>20053001
We wuz Buddhas n shiet

[Anonymous No.20053037]

>>20053001
The Chinese Buddha isn't an actual representation of the original Buddha, iirc.

[Anonymous No.20053046]

>>20053037
That's what I'm getting at that's why I called it GNU/Buddhism and GNU does not give you the holy shroud of Stallman.

[Anonymous No.20053056]

>>20053037
And white blue eyes Golden Retriever mix Jesus isn't a representative of Borzoi Swarthy Shlomo Mischling Galilean Jesus or Korean Jesus

[Anonymous No.20053068]

>>20053037
A caviat no one walking under these statues would think of while endorsing them as legit for centuries having no other information.

[Vinegar Taster No.20053128]

Buddha made the Boddhidharma open for all to see when the Rig Veda was still a secret hymn among many secret hymn proprietary to the Vedic Rishis and Guru
Brahmin traditions.
Open source spirituality basically inspired Daoists by debate in China.
This is something that never happened in the West. East Asian IQ has always been higher and this is the historical proof of it.

[Anonymous No.20054112]

>>20052884
>western IFLS misconceptions of Buddhism must be true
Why are people you clearly resent allowed to define things for you?

[Anonymous No.20054171]

>>20052549
The lineage of transmission was pretty much disrupted after Huineng, which is why I prioritize the Platform Sutra more than others.

[Anonymous No.20054534]

>>20050775
All religious experience is. That's why rational arguments for or against Buddhism, or any other, may never reach conclusion.

[Anonymous No.20054688]

>>20052549
literally sold in bookstores as Zen tho
Jhana in Japanese is Zen according to wikipedia

[Anonymous No.20054778]

>>20052549
>plagiarized from an earlier meditation school text.
Plagiarism doesn't really make sense in a religious context where you are supposed to be able to cite and explain earlier texts in order to advance your own writings. In theory the best transmission of the teaching from master to pupil would take the form of "plagiarism"

[Anonymọus No.20056043]

>>20050457
At the same time I've seen /pol/ loathe Christianity due to old testament stories such as the Tower of Babel being directly tied to it. Really it seems like a two faced move in order to accrue sympathy even if it fails once the person they are trying to sway is fully read on his/her faith.

[Anonymous No.20056693]

>>20050457
Buddhism is radically pacifist and a huge proponent of vegetarianism in practice though not in hard doctrine. The doctrine of anata is completely devoid of nationalism, racism, etc.

[Anonymous No.20056716]

i'm sure after rolling Malnourished Rice Farmer for the 800th time it gets a little boring and repetitive i dunno man

[Anonymous No.20056743]

>>20056693
>The doctrine of anata is completely devoid of nationalism, racism, etc.
Not really. All it implies is that Jewishness and other such things are contingent, like all things. That doesn't mean that there isn't some reality to Whiteness or whatever, it just means that it is causally conditioned. Causally conditioned =/= non-existent, after all.

Indeed, it's precisely because of anatman that Buddhist monks have historically upheld the principle of ethnic homogeneity, as any reason to afflict ethnic heterogeneity upon a populace will also be causally conditioned, and as such can (and must be) examined on its own grounds.

[Anonymous No.20056778]

>>20056743
Thank you Anon for saving me from my local McSangha
Prayers answered

[Anonymous No.20056877]

>>20049408
keked

[Anonymous No.20056947]

>>20048237
>Any books that criticize Eastern religions’ liberation cuckoldry? Hard mode: by other Asians.
Check out Shuzo Kuki.