/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20040399]

Are there any books about how we're surrounded by grotesque images, and it's effects on the human psyche?

[Anonymous No.20040407]

>>20040399
Grotesque looking people, grotesque images... Psychological effects of images, something havign to do with this. We live in a time where we scroll mindlessly through images and this is why I am seeking an understanding of this topic.

[Anonymous No.20040411]

>>20040399
>>20040407
These are just examples of what I mean by "grotesque" encompassing even wojaks. They're horrific and hideous fo even look at yet we really like clicking on them. I know this is bad for the psyche but I don't know how which is why I request books and literature on this topic. Is it a symbolic thing?

[Anonymous No.20040417]

>>20040399
>>20040407
>>20040411
Bonus points if you can figure out why I am often repulsed by looking at some of these things.

[Anonymous No.20040428]

>>20040399
>be a medieval peasant
>conscripted to army
>see men disemboweled with spears and trampled by horses on the battlefield
>return home
>wife bleeds out in childbirth, oldest son has his skull split open by a mule
>go to church for funeral
>carving of emaciated man nailed to a cross is the focal point of the room

>be a modern man
>see a goth on the train
>THE WORLD IS FULL OF SUCH UGLINESS THIS IS HARMFUL TO THE HUMAN SPIRIT
You're a huge pussy

[Anonymous No.20040436]

Is this what normal people look like now

I haven't gone outside in well over a year

[Anonymous No.20040442]

>>20040407
Unironically the works of Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.20040449]

>>20040436
Yes. Not sure how society can hold itself together past a certain point.

t. trad-cath at law school in a red state

[Anonymous No.20040458]

>>20040428
Based. I am greatful for my life and will live it to it's fullest.

[Anonymous No.20040462]

>>20040399
I don't have books on this but consider that I have a specific weird mental problem, like OCD, where I am obsessed with beauty and purity. It's not a moral or religious sentiment, I'm not religious, I just want things and people to be spiritually clean and free of filth and corruption. Generally speaking when I see something become sullied by events or imagery I find unpleasant I stop looking at it. I am an extreme perfectionist and when I fail to match the absolute Platonic ideal I've held in my mind I disregad all the work I have done. I phase the perceived corrupted things out like I'm switching away from a bad TV channel. Imagine what it feels like to be in my shoes in this specific era. I've legitimately wondered if there is in fact a God and he made this world to punish me specifically, because everything is so hopelessly corrupt and degenerate, filthy, impure. Not even imagination is safe, nothing is. If I could describe this time with a few words I'd use those words specifically. It drives me mad. In my desperate search for this unsullied garden, no matter how small, populated by perfect and whole beings, no matter how few, I've only found regrets. And I know that I am sullied myself.
Today I went to read the Bible which is what I do when I am really desperate and I stumbled on Titus 1:15 and I wept,
>Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

[Anonymous No.20040464]

>>20040428
Discussion of the grotesque has always been an element of artistic development, retard.

[Anonymous No.20040471]

>>20040449
Man you are full of shit. The vast majority of people look totally unremarkable. They dress conservatively, they don't have weird hair or flashy makeup. They don't go around constantly basedfacing for an audience. The internet has poisoned all of your minds I swear to god. I am begging you to go work a job with regular people.

[Anonymous No.20040476]

>>20040449
I really can't imagine the level of redditism and unfuckabilitity you'd have to be at to unironically call yourself a "trad-cath". Sincere catholics just call themselves catholics.

[Anonymous No.20040484]

>>20040464
My point is that seeing some guy with gauged ears is nothing. It barely qualifies as grotesque. These pictures of people making youtube faces even less so. Go into an church and you will see depictions of torture. OP is a pussy, I stand by that

[Anonymous No.20040486]

>>20040428
>>be a medieval peasant
>>conscripted to army
Here's where I immediately discarded your post.

[Anonymous No.20040502]

>>20040449
>Trad-cath
>on 4chan
Choose one and only one

[Anonymous No.20040507]

>>20040484
You're one of these insecure reddit missionaries trying to 'stick it to the arrogant 4channers' who are actually just having normal discussions, I stand by that.

[Anonymous No.20040508]

>>20040428
>be a medieval peasant
>conscripted to army
Retard

[Anonymous No.20040516]

>>20040476
Sorry for offending you.

[Anonymous No.20040524]

>>20040486
You think armies were composed entirely of nobles or something?

[Anonymous No.20040528]

>>20040507
This isn't a normal discussion and nobody is actually answering OP's question anyway

[Anonymous No.20040529]

>>20040484
Obviously things like dead bodies are a natural sight that human beings are evolved to be able to deal with. Gender-bending freakshows are relatively new and are not something we are naturally prepared to stomach, and the un-supported coping process definitely seems like it can cause issues.

[Anonymous No.20040531]

>>20040428
Hordes of insulin resistant pig-people are more grotesque than any wound youd see on the battlefield

[Anonymous No.20040546]

>>20040529
>Gender-bending freakshows are relatively new
Joan of Arc cut her hair short and wore men's clothing

[Anonymous No.20040553]

>>20040528
you just think that because you're a retard who fell for the meme that everyone on 4chan is a hopeless loser who eats tendies (hence why you came here to feel better about yourself)

[Anonymous No.20040567]

>>20040553
I have been coming here for over a decade

[Anonymous No.20040577]

>>20040546
She wasn't trying to pass as male but had adopted a male profession and the attire it required. They didn't make women's armor or anything anime like that. And when she was imprisoned she requested pants because the guards attempted to (or succeeded in) violating her when she was wearing a skirt/dress.

[Anonymous No.20040580]

>>20040546
It's really cute that you learned that fun fact but it is not remotely profound. If anything, it's 'the exception that proves the rule', dressing in a practical manner as a woman was seen as a big deal by the standards of the time. Contrast that to the pic in the OP.

[Anonymous No.20040585]

>>20040567
With 10 reddit tabs open

[Anonymous No.20040594]

>>20040502
it's comical how since trump it has become trendy to be a catholic or christian on this site

[Anonymous No.20040596]

>>20040580
>>20040577
The English had her tried for heresy, wearing men's clothing was a part of that charge

[Anonymous No.20040603]

>>20040596
It is universally accepted that it was a bullshit trial only done to off their political enemy. She was posthumously exonerated by the pope.

[Anonymous No.20040607]

>>20040594
More comical still when you consider that Trump is obviously a godless hedonist but these people were so dumb that they bought he shallow lies anyway.

[Anonymous No.20040610]

>>20040596
There is a qualitative difference between changing one's gender and wearing pants because you have to ride on horseback, or cutting your hair short to wear a helmet, etc. Were the men who shaved in WW1 in order to wear gasmasks trans?

[Anonymous No.20040620]

Somehow that person looks even worse than Divine. Pink Flamingos was genuine artistic 'grotesqueness', that's just a deranged loser who lives on the internet and cuts themselves.

[Anonymous No.20040623]

>>20040610
How many other girl soldiers were there?

[Anonymous No.20040626]

>>20040546
yeah such a disgusting tranny

[Anonymous No.20040628]

>>20040626
>painting from centuries after her death

[Anonymous No.20040633]

>>20040623
I don't get why you're committing to this retarded angle, it clearly isn't fruitful. It barely even had to do with the original argument it was responding to.
>there are disgusting trannies walking around my hometown who are unemployed and hated by everyone
>yeah well 1400's france had a beloved national hero who cut her hair short so she looked like a cute tomboy instead of a conventional stacy!

[Anonymous No.20040636]

>>20040628
post a photograph of her then, faggot

[Anonymous No.20040638]

>>20040626
You are retarded beyond comprehension

[Anonymous No.20040641]

>>20040638
You say this because you have run out of pseudo arguments

[Anonymous No.20040644]

>>20040633
>so she looked like a cute tomboy instead of a conventional stacy
Oh my god I can't even make fun of you

[Anonymous No.20040652]

>>20040644
Yeah, because there is nothing to make fun of.

[Anonymous No.20040654]

>>20040531
This (being unreasonably upset by superficialities) is a symptom of being on the psychopath spectrum
Suggested treatment is to kys

[Anonymous No.20040657]

>>20040546

[Anonymous No.20040658]

>>20040462
I bet you're also a white supremacist aren't you

[Anonymous No.20040661]

>>20040658
not really, I just think white people are better people overall

[Anonymous No.20040666]

>>20040661
In what sense?

[Anonymous No.20040667]

>>20040428
Post chin faggot

[Anonymous No.20040674]

>>20040633
I'm just trying to ruffle feathers. Perhaps in the modern day, Joan of Arc would be a disgusting unemployed tranny. She had visions, it took a while for anyone to take her seriously. There are other examples of "trans" people throughout history, even older ones. The hijra in India, muxe in Mexico. I figured you guys would dismiss those because they aren't white. Figured I might as well go for /lit/'s best girl. That you call her a "cute tomboy" is just as perverse as saying she crossdressed.

[Anonymous No.20040680]

>>20040462
You are fucking illiterate.
>Unto the pure ALL THINGS are pure
So you have nothing to worry about.
The hand of god sent you reassurance and you were too retarded to receive it.

[Anonymous No.20040681]

>>20040623
If you agree that she was a heretic then you already believe God talks to people, among other things more outlandish than a woman wearing pants because she is surrounded by hostile men who God told her to fight.

[Anonymous No.20040683]

>>20040462
It's not OCD. It's just these images are so repulsive and I see people that look like them everywhere. It's so disgusting that I personally think that looking too long at them will have effects on my psyche. It feels demonic.
>>20040658
Post chin faggot. I know your chud phenotype looking ass lurks this thread.

[Anonymous No.20040684]

>>20040674
>in the modern day people with the tangible mental illnesses that have always existed almost surely become hopeless losers who are encouraged to get even less mentally healthy instead of finding a spot as a healthy lovable weirdo
yeah that's the problem

[Anonymous No.20040685]

>>20040399
>>20040462
I feel nothing seeing the ugly and grotesque but indifference and sometimes curiosity, it doesn't affect me at all. What did my mind mean by this?

[Anonymous No.20040698]

>>20040683
>Post chin
I'm not trying to attack him, just curious because most WSs also seem to be obsessed with beauty and disgusted by everything.

[Anonymous No.20040700]

>>20040684
>implying your ilk tolerate even the slightest deviance from gender norms

[Anonymous No.20040709]

>>20040476
One side of my family is catholic, so I have enough passing cultural knowledge to blend in if I have to. None of them have ever even heard the term “trad-cath”.
Every “trad-cath” I’ve encountered has no catholic family and hasn’t so much as gone to confession in the past decade, if ever. It’s just a weird way of signaling you’re mildly antisocial and hate queers.

[Anonymous No.20040717]

>>20040700
>your ilk
You're talking to multiple different people. Not everyone who admits disgust to people who look worse than circus clowns are Nazis. I have a fair amount of tolerance in me, I'm just not a moralfag and I don't pretend to be blind.

[Anonymous No.20040718]

>>20040698
Well I'm not a White Supremacist, but I can understand their position. There is an obvious love for beauty that I share with them and very strict standards for cleanliness and hygiene. It is natural that upon seeing something grotesque, we are repulsed by it. If somebody isn't, something is wrong with them. I'm not elaborating.

[Anonymous No.20040726]

>>20040442
Tell me more.

[Anonymous No.20040734]

>>20040683
It’s literally just an average-looking person.
My only theory is that maybe if you’re a turbo zoomer your aesthetic sense has been distorted by the media’s sampling bias towards only showing exceptionally attractive people that seeing average or ugly people causes actual emotional distress, which is very funny.

[Anonymous No.20040737]

>>20040680
Not him but can you please explain your reading of this passage because I don't understand what you mean.

[Anonymous No.20040744]

>>20040698
I’m too lazy to find the article, but there’s something wrong neurologically with extremely socially conservative people where their disgust response is really pronounced and their brain is took weak to suppress it.
It’s brain damage.

[Anonymous No.20040746]

>>20040399
It's the embryotic start of the world to come. As man strays further from true adversary, he insists upon a world made up of dreams where he can do what he want, and the dreams of men, especially through the filter of reality, are grotesque. City dwellers were frequently reviled and equated with the damned or demons throughout history, so the effect is probably consistent revulsion.

For myself I feel pity for them. Not because they're ugly, but because HRTs really fuck up the body and it must suck to be indebted to pharmaceutical companies for life.

[Anonymous No.20040754]

>>20040737
Unto the pure all things are pure. Unto the pure rotting corpses are pure. Unto the pure cringe internet trannies are pure.
Unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Unto the unbelieving and unrepentant sinners picrel is unpure.
Faith is polarized sunglasses for purity.

[Anonymous No.20040760]

>>20040428
those things were all understood to be injurious and were easy to fit into a greater symbolic order. even the crucifix was understood as an image of christ's sacrifice/his terrible fate.
now however we're expected to understand certain types of bodily mutilation and subversion of gender roles as "life-affirming" and positive. we're expected to applaud people who voluntarily exclude themselves from the possibility of reproduction (and not as an ascetic pursuit, but to engage in greater hedonism).
picrel isn't a gargoyle designed to contrast with and elevate sculptures of angels and saints to sublimity, but as an artistic end in itself.
there's something terribly sick in our culture and aesthetics and you're literally retarded/spiritually dead if you choose to argue about whether or not that's true instead of why we've gotten here or how to overcome it.

[Anonymous No.20040792]

>>20040486
What does this mean? do you think medieval warfare was some warhammer fantasy shit with knights duelling on the battlefield and kings fighting in the front ranks.

[Anonymous No.20040819]

>>20040744
Now you're just demoralizing here. Post your chin you dysgenic kike.

[Anonymous No.20040826]

>>20040819
post more works by brain damaged artists

[Anonymous No.20040846]

>>20040399
People (who lived in urban centres at least) in the Middle Ages probably saw many more diseased and maimed and mentally ill people

[Anonymous No.20040856]

shitty pol thread

[Anonymous No.20040857]

>>20040529
> Gender-bending freakshows are relatively new and are not something we are naturally prepared to stomach
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winkte
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sipiniq
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bissu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akava%27ine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakaleit%C4%AB
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femminiello
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koekchuch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81h%C5%AB
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhannathun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muxe

[Anonymous No.20040861]

>>20040846
yeah and they were pitiable charity cases, not participants in "pride" parades

[Anonymous No.20040875]

>>20040819
That sculpture was by a f*g

[Anonymous No.20040947]

>>20040486
I'm sure they gathered levies from the peasantry, hired mercenaries, had a standing army, had nobles with their superior equipment, but what did he say that's wrong? Genuinely interested as a dabbler who's also interested in not making a fool of himself

[Anonymous No.20040957]

>>20040436
I like this image because it's a nice Dorian Gray-esque representation of what your soul looks like after years on 4chan

I quit years ago but I come by to check out /lit/ every few months

t. 2008 oldfag

[Anonymous No.20040974]

>>20040746
The dreams of men are foiled by a grotesque, banal reality. If they were not, they would not be grotesque themselves; at worst, lesser than ideal.

[Anonymous No.20040995]

>>20040974
Scandinavians and Western Europeans still live in dream-like realities tho

[Anonymous No.20041009]

>>20040995
Ja but do they have Zwerge?

[Anonymous No.20041014]

>>20040546
Trannies aren't getting special dispensation from the pope though. There's plenty of historical trannies— hilariously a lot of the ones in prominent positions in the British civil service and armed forces were Irish women who were like
>fuck becoming a lady they don't get paid

[Anonymous No.20041017]

>>20041009
what

[Anonymous No.20041035]

>>20040607
You are a literal retard if you think people are trying to follow trump's example.

[Anonymous No.20041048]

>>20040524
Historians who study the Middle Ages think that.

[Anonymous No.20041051]

>>20040734
In what place does a normal person look like that?

[Anonymous No.20041060]

>>20040792
The majority of medieval history did not feature conscripted peasants.

[Anonymous No.20041075]

>>20041051
Lots of White Americans and Brits look like that