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[Anonymous No.20022924]

What are the most imporant books about collapse of western culture?

[Anonymous No.20022991]

>>20022924
loooooool you lost

[Anonymous No.20022997]

>>20022924
>muh collapse
Where?

[Anonymous No.20023000]

>>20022924
Stop being a fetishist.

[Anonymous No.20023002]

>>20022924
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.20023014]

>>20022991
That's the most bizarre position to take if you've read Spengler. Civilizations have a life and death cycle. You don't lose if you die of old age.

[Anonymous No.20023015]

>>20022997
I think >>>/tv/ is more up your alley. Though the decline is completely visible even if you only saw glimpses of movie trailers and compared them to any previous age.

[Anonymous No.20023140]

>>20022924
Sorokin's the crisis of our age

[Anonymous No.20023187]

Kabalah

[Anonymous No.20023271]

>>20023015
If shitty consoomer culture is what you're complaining about then there is no better work to read than picrel

[Anonymous No.20023276]

I’m struggling only because you used the word “important”.

[Anonymous No.20023293]

>>20023014
Can Spengler be useful as good quality copium? I'll stop stressing myself out if I conclude that the current state of the west is not contingent or kike plan executed

[Anonymous No.20023298]

>>20023271
(((Adorno)))
Pass

[Anonymous No.20023302]

>>20023271
I would add Baudrillard's Consumer Society.

[Anonymous No.20023305]

>>20023302
Next you'll recommend the Torah.

[Anonymous No.20023310]

>>20023305
Kabbalistic texts are more interesting.

[Anonymous No.20023312]

>>20023293
Yes, but it wasn’t for me.

[Anonymous No.20023316]

>>20023310
They would be to a Judeo-Marxist like you.

[Anonymous No.20023436]

>>20023298
>>20023305
God forbid you stop being mentally cucked by memes and form your opinion on a book by reading it rather than measuring noses
No wonder this place is going down the shitter

[Anonymous No.20023576]

>>20022924
>The Culture of Narcissism: American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations by Christopher Lasch.
>The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity & Islam by Douglas Murray.

[Anonymous No.20023618]

>The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
>The Decline of the West
>Revolt Against the Modern World
>The Culture of Critique
>industrial Society and its Future

[Anonymous No.20023637]

>>20023316
>Judeo-Marxist
redundant phrase. it would be like saying gay-homosexual.

[Anonymous No.20024270]

>>20023293
>>20023293
Life is ITSELF contingent. The Luke's are incidental. Copium is fun but leaves you hanging dry, I recommend moving beyond and embracing cultural necromancy, become a FAUSTIAN and deny death his just due.

[Anonymous No.20024274]

>>20024270
Lmao, Luke's (sic) is Kikes

[Anonymous No.20024986]

>>20023293
>if I conclude that the current state of the west is not kike plan executed
Except it is, and there's only one collective solution.

[Anonymous No.20026141]

>>20022924
Sex gifs.

[Anonymous No.20026172]

>>20022924
Baudrillard

[Anonymous No.20026175]

>>20026172

[Anonymous No.20026232]

>>20023618
>Camp of the Saints
>Jewish Revolutionary Spirit

[Anonymous No.20026550]

>>20022924
Diary of a wimpy kid by Jeff Kinney

[Anonymous No.20026679]

>>20022924
Der Ring des Nibelungen represents a cyclical conception of history and predicted WW1 and WW2.

[Anonymous No.20026712]

>>20023014
Was Spengler a Vichian? That sounds like something straight out of the New Science.

[Anonymous No.20026850]

>>20026679
Did it really have to be fourteen friggin' hours long, though?

[Anonymous No.20026884]

>>20026850
Yes, every scene is necessary.

[Anonymous No.20026905]

>>20026679
Do people actually read the Ring Cycle? Wouldn't it be better to watch the opera?

[Anonymous No.20026909]

>>20023618

[Anonymous No.20026915]

>>20022924
>imporant
Try reading a dictionary next time, poindexter

[Anonymous No.20026928]

>>20026905
>Do people actually read the Ring Cycle? Wouldn't it be better to watch the opera
If you speak the language fluently, yes

[Anonymous No.20026981]

>>20026905
It's meant to be performed, being a Gesamtkunstwerk it probably hinges on correct elements of performance like the visuals more than any other drama in history, which is why satirical modern performances are such an insult. But you're going to miss a lot of the details and brilliance of the text if you don't take time to read it separately.

[Anonymous No.20027109]

>>20023293
Maybe.
>I'll stop stressing myself out if I conclude that the current state of the west is not contingent or kike plan executed
This is the case, to an extent. The over-application of agency (ascribing it where it isn't there) is a magical-kind of thinking. There's a reason it's common among schizophrenics. The jews are doing something, but they only behave inasmuch as they're allotted by events, and such actors are more cultural and less conspiratorial. They are the poison of money-dominance. In many cases, gentiles do the same.
Maybe one good cope is that force politics will necessarily purge money-men. Communists before the Russian Civil War were very much like western communists today. "Free love" ideologues. Those people were nonetheless liquidated because they pose a natural threat to certain power structures.
All woke-ism, migration, everything you hate politically, is moneyed politics. All of it. None of it would exist without the bankers and venture capitalists. The masses would lose it overnight if the media-cultural structure collapsed.
Yet, Spengler sees machine civilization due for a collapse.
In early Spenglerian thought, we have 200-400 years of vital morphology, then an eternal winter or death. Caesarism can secure the future, eternal winter (happened in China), and the eternal winter can last indefinitely. Usually it takes outward force to exterminate. But in Man and Technics, Spengler evolves that view. Machine-civilization is truly a new and unprecedented feat of our culture. But we can see shades of its collapse even now. That is, mass voluntary unemployment. People are alienated by machine thinking. The "Great Resignation" fueled by covid economics are just a catalyst.
And it's not just about literal, physical machines, but the very organizations and techniques. It's working in a warehouse. It's groups of men evolving into machine components, becoming a supermachine structure. Spengler actually predicted that automation cannot render labor obsolete. This is visibly obvious today, in the labor shortage.

[Anonymous No.20027126]

>>20023271
>(((Adorno)))
LMAO

[Anonymous No.20027290]

>>20026712
Not sure if he mentions Vico, but yes, the similarities are overwhelming. I prefer Vico personally.

[Anonymous No.20027327]

>>20027109
> Spengler actually predicted that automation cannot render labor obsolete. This is visibly obvious today, in the labor shortage.
But just like with communism, we never have had real automation. When we got close to it in the 60s and 70s they moved all the jobs to the 3rd world.

[Anonymous No.20027465]

>>20026172
>>20026175
Holy fucking kek

[Anonymous No.20027479]

>>20023271
the problem with Adorno is that he thought that authoritarian personalities repel people when its actually quite the opposite. look at how much people worship Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci.

in all seriousness I would counter with picrel

[Anonymous No.20027486]

>>20027327
the problem with automation is that it essentially makes man obsolete, I mean why create good art if a machine does it for you and better? and who says machines can make good art or anything close to what art represents?

[Anonymous No.20027810]

>>20022924
Daily newsletters

[Anonymous No.20027874]

>>20022924
The Technological Society

[Anonymous No.20029201]

>>20022924
The strange death of Europe

[Anonymous No.20029400]

>>20026712
>>20027290
>Spengler was a Goethean
>Goethe was a Vichian, or at least thought very highly of Vico
That's the best connection I can find. I also prefer Vico.

[Anonymous No.20029419]

>>20029400
What is ironic is that Goethe and Vico were both primarily influenced by Spinoza while Spengler dismisses Spinoza as a non-Western philosopher because he was Jewish. Which is very strange because Spengler's whole system, you know, the self-contained sum-of-many-parts self-fulfilment idea, he inherited directly from Spinoza through Goethe. But because he clung to the self-contained aspect of that idea so vigorously, he had no choice but to reject Spinoza as non-Western for being Jewish.

[Anonymous No.20030882]

>>20022924
Collapse is always a threat, it is only the constant influx of energy into the open system of society which creates the far from equilibrium order of our contemporary existence. Where from this does this energy ultimately originate? Since the end of the ice age, the sun. Since the industrial revolution, oil and coal. Since the technological revolution, uranium. At the terminus of each era is a great catastrophe of mankind. Soon, however, we will be entering a new dawn - that of nuclear fusion. Where will this marvel lead us? To far and unknown places. To space. To the depths. To ourselves, perhaps. The point being, that there is never any question of whether things will be all right, there is only the answer, waiting. The next step in the evolution.

[Anonymous No.20030904]

>>20022924
is that walter whites brother in law?

[Anonymous No.20031841]

>>20026712
He was greatly influenced by Vico, yes.