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20020491 No.20020491 [Reply] [Original]

I am not interested in the German Idealists especially for their philosophy, which seems to me to grasp, there at the end of the Great Western Tradition, something beyond, and just barely, seemingly, to fail to reach, just before everything came tumbling down, and all the good philosophy is done with rifle, or by those simple, rural folk who never really changed that much, and not so much the politics that followed them--these are important, of course, and will demand my attention--but they impart to me only an obligation; but their poetry, for it is the best poetry we have, we Western men--tell me, how may poor Holderlin be consoled by anime and Orthodoxy? We men of a new age must go further beyond. . . . .

>> No.20020523
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>>20020491
Too true.

>> No.20020551

German prose is the most meandering garbage to touch the page.

>> No.20020556

>>20020551
Filtered. Go read some light novels, lest Holderlin weep on your account.

>> No.20020645

>>20020551
Yikes. Time to neck.

>> No.20022059

>>20020491
Hoelderlin literally went insane. That’s the power of German philosophy.

>> No.20022242

>>20020491
Holderlin is responsible for bridging the gap from Fichte to Schelling/Hegel. In fact Holderlin, Schelling, and Hegel were roommates working on a student philosophy journal together for a while.

>> No.20022287

>>20022242
>Holderlin is responsible for bridging the gap from Fichte to Schelling/Hegel.
Elaborate.

>> No.20022372

>>20022287
He wrote the foundational work for post-Fichtean German Idealism, The Oldest Systematic Program of German Idealism.

He also influenced Hegel and Schelling in an infinitude of other ways in his personal relationship with them.

>> No.20022388

>>20022372
>He wrote the foundational work for post-Fichtean German Idealism
What makes you think Hoelderlin wrote it?

>> No.20022416

>>20022388
Because neither Hegel nor Schelling were that far ahead at that age, plus Holderlin was the advisor in pretty much everything else related to their philosophies, often in a very instrumental fashion. It also reminds me of the short essays of Holderlin's other philosophical works.

>> No.20022429

>>20022416
Oh alright. Do you think philosophy is what drove him insane? Or was he actually not insane? Did he actually just transcend the discursive plane? Seeing how he became poet.

>> No.20022445

>>20020491
>which seems to me to grasp, there at the end of the Great Western Tradition, something beyond, and just barely, seemingly, to fail to reach, just before everything came tumbling down, and all the good philosophy is done with rifle
What are trying to say? Hegel failed? How could this be? No, it can’t be. It can’t. My mind- my soul can’t accept this.

>> No.20022453

>>20022445
The Germans didn’t learn from the Greeks. Philosophy leads to Skepticism. And Skepticism can only be overcome by Theurgy. Was Hegel a Theurgist? A Theurgist who returned to the discursive plane to express the Divine in the terms of Reason?

>> No.20022496

>>20022429
Heidegger assumed the unfortunate end of Holderlin, Kierkegaard and Nietzsche were related in some way to be visionaries in modern civilisation.

You can't separate the poetry and philosophy of Holderlin.