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2001854 No.2001854 [Reply] [Original]

Do you consider this pulp fiction?

>> No.2001857

No, it's science fiction. Whether or not it's literature is debatable, considering literature is essentially a question of quality.

>> No.2001861

>>2001857
OK, do you consider it literature?

>> No.2001864

>>2001854
Not really. Sci-fi can be pulpy, but not all sci-fi is pulpy. This being one of them. Now would I call it literature, probably not. Worth reading? Sure.

>> No.2001869

>>2001861

>>2001861

It's been a while since I read it . . . I do remember really enjoying it. It had some nice themes if I remember right. It's certainly a classic of its genre. But is it literature? I'd be hesitant to say yes.

>> No.2001963

Why didn't he have sex with one of the corpses?

>> No.2001974

Back then they had morals.

My favorite book ever. Wrote a 22 page paper on it.

>> No.2001976

YEs, it's fucking literature. There's no debate about that, except perhaps among pedantic young adults.

"1. Written works, esp. those considered of superior or lasting artistic merit."

I Am Legend is a no-brainer under the definition

>> No.2001978

>>2001974
Can we read it?

>> No.2001983

If you read my language (Swedish)

>> No.2001985

>>2001983
Shit! I don't :)

>> No.2002125

As far as I know, pulp was just what stuff was printed on. The genre pulp is now about crime, if I'm not mistaken.

That aside, I loved that book back in high school. I figure I should get a copy and read it again.

>> No.2002341

There's a scene where the "hero" has a woman in his house and considers raping her.

I don't consider that a respectable work of literature. The fact that the hero thinks that is random and unrealistic, as well as fucking disturbing. It doesn't speak to truths about human nature, it speaks to the author's depraved fantasies of male dominance. There is also a short story in the edition I have where a witch doctor cures a man's disease by giving him a boner and fucking him.

That can't be considered literature. I have no idea what was going through Richard Matheson's head but it is difficult to respect him as a person. His writing reads like the work of someone very sexually repressed and creepy.

>> No.2002354

>>2002341
>>2002341

....What the fuck am I reading?
Of course he'd be hungry. Social isolation for godknows how long. It was a realistic train of thought.

>> No.2002366

>>2002354

Not the person you're replying to, but:

I was socially isolated for fucking years and I never fantasized about that kind of bullshit or had the desire to hurt someone for the sake of my own sexual urges. Saying that's "realistic" is simply making excuses.

>> No.2002369

>>2002366
if you're really comparing your own social isolation to the isolation of a man who thinks he's one of the few people remaining on earth, then you're very stupid.

>> No.2002374

>It doesn't speak to truths about human nature, it speaks to the author's depraved fantasies of male dominance.
>His writing reads like the work of someone very sexually repressed and creepy.

It is probably not possible to not speak truths about human nature if you are also revealing personal particulars.

>> No.2002379

>>2002341
I'm isolated and fantasize about raping women all the time. I can assure you that I'm a real person.

>> No.2002386

>>2002379

>wants to committ rape

People like you should be locked up.

>> No.2002397

>>2002369

Still no excuse for the desire to harm another human being.

>> No.2002411

>>2002386
I only fantasize about women who deserve it. (Just kidding. You know, because rape is funny.)

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>>2002341
hi

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>> No.2002445

>>2002397
just because it's not "just" doesn't mean that it's not valid as literature. Is your total argument "it's unrealistic, *I* never wanted to rape anyone after being isolated for years" ?

>> No.2002449

>>2002445

You mean to tell me most men do or would? That is sickening.

>> No.2002456

>>2002397
>>2002449
It's not acceptable behaviour. and I'd like to think most men wouldn't, (I'm not the horrible fucker up there), but just because it can't be justified doesn't mean it doesn't happen, even without scoial deprivation. And, there is at least a common sense view that sexual deprivation leads to sex crimes. I believe I read something about a rise in sexual assualts in India due to the gender disparity. So, it can be said that he's bad, and totally unjustified in at least some of his actions.

In fact, I think that's the point of the book.

>> No.2002457

>>2002456

>that's the point of the book

Jesus.

>> No.2002464

>>2002456
That was a mess of a post, I need to go to bed. But yeah, the fact that the book has a character within it that does something bad, does not mean that the book is not valuable or enjoyable. And in this post

>>2002449

you seem to be setting up a false dichotomy. Just because most would not do something doesn't mean that there isn't some that would.

>> No.2002467

>>2002457
What's your point?

>> No.2002471

Matheson isn't literature, no. Yes, the rape urge is realistic. Eat a dick, you repressed idiot.

>> No.2002470

It's almost like a theme of the book was that the main character was actually the monster this whole time or some shit...

>> No.2002474

>>2002341
>It's not literature if someone other than an obvious blackhat thinks about rape or if there are deviant sexual acts
You might do well to just stick with the Victorian era..

>> No.2002488

SPOILER ALERT: "pulp fiction" is an outmoded, mostly defunct term. Anyone who takes the side that anything AT ALL can be demonstrated as lacking in literary value will lose the argument.

--Unless of course you argue that *nothing* can be demonstrated to have literary value, in which case you've just shit Derrida all over everything, and now everything's stupid and what the fuck am I even writing.

>> No.2002494

>There is also a short story in the edition I have where a witch doctor cures a man's disease by giving him a boner and fucking him.

No one has commented on this. Really?

>> No.2002509

>>2002494
look at the damn url maybe we dont think it's that weird

>> No.2002521

>>2002470
no spoilers, asshat

>> No.2002745

>>2001854
I consider it good-great literature. 2.5 tier

>> No.2002990

>>2002341
you might just be retarded
you should get that checked out

>> No.2003059

>>2001854
If it speaks to you aesthetically or intellectually, then go ahead and call it literature, or art -- whatever you want. Nobody will ever stop you. Some will undoubtedly disagree, but this argument will always devolve into a "who has better taste in what." I'm sorry, but there is no objective definition of what literature or art is, rather it tends to be largely relative to the subject.

I've learned to accept this over the years. If someone reads a trashy Patterson novel and loves them -- I mean, for whatever reason, the novel moves them -- then it is art to them and more than likely a large amount of people. My taste may disagree with this, but it's no matter.

Personally, I thought "I Am Legend" was rich in theme, and written nicely, but others will disagree.

>> No.2003069

>>2003059

Good post.

Actually, this entire thread is pretty okay, apart from the shitstorm over the prude.