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20009638 No.20009638 [Reply] [Original]

Is she as bad as they say?

>> No.20009647

>>20009638
Yes, she is, in fact, jewish.

>> No.20009654

>>20009638
>30.000 words John Galt autistic rant
It should come as no surprise to anyone that she was a completely hopeless drug addict and spiritual slave who popped dexedrine and barbiturates every single day for 30 years.

>> No.20009666

>>20009638

I liked Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead, and We the Living but Anthem was just her trying to be Zamyatin. Fairly sure she was ripping off We in that book otherwise she's okay, and not as terrible as people make her out to be

>> No.20009727

>>20009638
I like her. She doesn't have all the answers, but she asks all the right questions.

>> No.20009869

>>20009638
Yes
But they are as bad as she says too

>> No.20010565

>>20009638
I’ve never seen anyone who doesn’t already agree with her praise her as a legitimately talented author

>> No.20010575

Put her in her historical context. Through her seething you can get a glimpse of why
authoritarian communism bad.

>> No.20010622

>>20009638
no, her writing is bad but there is worse writing out there, people act like she was the worst writer of all time and such

>> No.20010631

>>20010622
In what way is it bad? I'm asking as a person who plans to read her 700-paged and 1000-paged novels in the near future.

>> No.20010663

>>20010631
the characters are one dimensional with few exceptions, she has no subtlety when inserting her "philosophy" in her fiction, she rambles and everything is written too long
take atlas shrugged for example, there is a good novel somewhere in there but you to excavate it you would need to remove at the droning and preaching, all the plot points which are there for no overarching reason and all the retarded stuff in which the characters simply state their intentions word for word

>> No.20010843

>>20009638
She's Russian.

>> No.20010892

>>20010565
I've only ever seen socialists call her a hack, though.

>> No.20010998

>>20009638
No. Not sure why she is hated so much. Yes, her books don't need to be as long as they are but they're alright. I wouldn't consider her to be on the same level as George Orwell, but she's up there and she's worth the read if you have the time.

>> No.20011016
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>>20009638
We go through this every single time—yes.

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>>20009638
Only 5 people, and about 3 or 4 women (female), have actually read Atlus Shrugged and we only liked it for train and sex and an epic about living in the 2010s. And trains and sex.
>Dagny getting railed by Hank's steel

>> No.20011464

>>20010631
Her writing isn't bad; by any standard its quite good. She proliferates her philosophy by writing novels featuring it. People say her ideals are hamfisted in her novels; they are right only if they assume she tries to write from a relatively neutral stance. She does not, she writes fiction politically. Rand did such a good job of this in her lifetime that she basically created a cult. When you see people calling Rand a bad writer on the internet, you're mostly seeing a reaction to her fans and her ideology, not her writing itself.

>> No.20012666

…well, she is a woman, so…

>> No.20012691

yes. outclassed by a fucking video game.

>> No.20012809

>>20010631
She repeats her points all the time and she's too verbose. The structure is sometimes weird in the fountainhead. She uses too many words to say something. The fountainhead and atlas shrugged are almost the same book. Just read the speeches of her characters if you want to know what she is about, the rest is useless.

>> No.20013174

>>20012809
She is basically describing daily lifes of these characters.Oh I agree it could be a bit shorter but overall message and the characters are all realistic exept howard maybe but that is considered her ideal and poeple like him do exist they are just rare and not 100 percent him but lets say 90.All these characters show different approaches to life and its also realistic to see how they interact.

>> No.20013276

>woman
>good writer
Choose one.

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>>20009647
What is it with Jews and retarded economic structures?

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>>20009638
Yes.

>> No.20013718

>>20010631
She likes the word somnabulist too much

>> No.20013768

>>20009666
Nice trips while complimenting the devil

>> No.20013771

>>20012691
You mean Bioshock?

>> No.20013803

The Fountainhead would be the greatest novel of all time if Thomas Mann wrote it instead.

>> No.20013913

>>20013291
They create them for us to argue over so we don't focus on jews.

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20013958

>>20009638
Oh yeah she bad, fr fr. I hella finna want some of that libussy if y'knowhat I mean. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

>> No.20014377

>>20009638
I liked Anthem, as short as it was. She's very political so don't expect to see both sides of an argument depicted in the same light, but for all her exaggerations and propensities, she is more often than not right on the money. Her philosophy isn't perfect, but has some very strong points

>> No.20014706

>>20009654
impressive. wish drugs were so easy to obtain these days

>> No.20014717

>>20013958
why is she talking like an african american?

>> No.20014971

>>20009654
That was a very cringe part of the book but over all AS was a fun read when it wasn’t boring as fuck.

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>>20009638
i haven't understood my hatred at first sight to pic related until i remembered ayn rand had the same cheap haircut. also the shoe speech is something she would agree too I bet

>> No.20016689

>>20010631
her prose is trash

>> No.20017773

>>20011016
>that pic
i will now read your book

>> No.20018203

>>20011016
she's insane kek

>> No.20018232

>>20016432
She's cute as fuck tho...

>> No.20018287
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20018287

I've read, in order, Atlas Shrugged, Anthem(audiobook), and Fountainhead. She's an amazing writer and her views are fairly cut to the chase. She's not perfect, those very views change across the years, but even Einstein wasn't perfectly consistent. And just like Einstein her biggest mistake was not going All The Way with her own principles. She would talk of reason and Aristotle, but wouldn't develop much deductive reasoning to expansively answer the big paradoxes of philosophy. She would recommend the pursuit of pleasure and happiness in her books, but would show herself publicly as a neutral faced stoic, even sometimes cricizing the "hedonists" of her time when they were a bit different than she expected.

>> No.20019116

she was a charmingly autistic idiot who wrote amusing books

>> No.20019738

>>20009638
I could have fixed her...

>> No.20019926

>>20009638
Good novelist, effective popularizer of the Austrian school. Not a philosopher though, whatever her pretensions.

>> No.20020055

>>20011016
>this formed the backbone of libertarianism
Fucking hell not even communists are this deranged

>> No.20021192

Look at the intro to this TV interview from the 70s. Bitch doesn't even know what planet she is own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj-UvNXorb4

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>>20021192
I already had a chuckle at 0:08

>> No.20021227

>>20021192
>this person had a literal cult
lmao wtf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRlvMJsehy8

>> No.20021236

>>20009638

She was both an atheist and an anti-communist and so she was fundamentally correct on basics and therefore a praiseworthy human being. But yes, I understand the literature is rough.

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20021246

>>20021236
>She was both an atheist and an anti-communist and so she was fundamentally correct on basics and therefore a praiseworthy human being

>> No.20021254

>>20021246

Been here since the website started, never used reddit. religion is a passing meme, tradcath larpers are stupid. Post a soi picture or something.

>> No.20021547

No one pays attention but John Rogers always gets the last word:
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

>> No.20021614

>>20009638
I enjoyed her essays in The Romantic Manifesto, but the irony of her death in public housing makes her an absolute hypocrite and almost erases any intellectual merit her writing has except as a period study.

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20021633

>>20009638
Libertarians are the biggest and most obnoxious moralfags of all time. They are worse than Christans, leftists, and social conservatives combined. Also Ayn Rand is a terrible writer.

>> No.20021677

>>20009638

Conservatives are so fucking hard up for people above an 8th grade reading level they elevate any dipshit who writes and isn't retarded enough to live mask off to cult status. A friend strongly recommended Atlas Shrugged. Reading that shit made me embarrassed for the him, an adult male in the 21st century.

>> No.20021697

>>20021236
>atheist
>anti-communist
>retard
Pick one anon.

>> No.20021717

>>20021614
Lolbertarians/Ancraps/Objectivists arbitrarily decide who is "based" for being a parasite and who is "cringe" for also being a parasite so the notion of being a parasite doesn't even actually matter to them more than other contexts. Just complete meme ideologies.

>> No.20021727

>>20021614

No, this is a stupid canard. The money was STOLEN FROM HER IN THE FIRST PLACE. It amazes me that you people try this garbage and think yourselves smart for doing it.

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20021741

>>20009666
>I liked Atlas Shrugged
Chads prefer pic related

>> No.20021757

>>20021697

You have just suggested that the three categories are mutually exclusive, by confounding two goods with a bad. On the contrary, conservative atheists are the best human beings who exist.

>> No.20022463

>>20009638
Atlas Shrugged is very excessive and suffers from Rand really indulging in her ideological revenge fantasies, but The Fountainhead and We the Living are great novels and are excellent works of characterization. She had a very rare talent for structure; despite their size, none of her novels seemed disjointed or rambling, everything felt like it served a bigger purpose in the novel.

>> No.20022942

>>20021227
>this person had a literal cult
only in the usa but its not suprising since they are equally insane

>> No.20023264

Has anything good come from Jewish women other than Sex in the City?