/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19992418]

Post your most controversial /lit/ opionion!

I personally think reading anything other than non-fiction is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.19992426]

>>19992418
>opionion
lmao

[Anonymous No.19992430]

I enjoy reading both visual novels and light novels, and think both mediums have a significant amount of artistic merit.

[Anonymous No.19992442]

>>19992430
the girls in that picture look quite young, anon

[Anonymous No.19992474]

Dune is a fucking piece of shit. I'm butthurt about wasting my time on it.

[Anonymous No.19992477]

>>19992474
getting filtered by Herbert, nice

[Anonymous No.19992488]

>>19992477
That I got a reply shows that I have the most controversial opinion, so I win the thread.

[Anonymous No.19992507]

>>19992442
Yeah, Japan loves their high school romances.
They write other stuff too but they really like innocence as a theme, whether it be a pure love story or a darker innocence lost type of affair.
For example, the story in this picture is about a 30-year-old single mother. Despite that, the author really still wanted to work in innocence as a theme so she is a kissless handholdless virgin.
I like that for this story because it makes it kind of unique, but if every story had situations like that it would be a bit weird.
The end result is that roughly 50% of Japanese stories are some flavor of high school romance.

I understand why it bothers other people, but I actually never went to high school myself so I view a Japanese Private High where the Sakura petals fall the same way I'd think of a kingdom of Arthurian legend or a spaceship sailing an ocean of stars. It's all just different flavors of harmless fantasy to me.

[Anonymous No.19992512]

Pulp fiction mogs all sci fi and fantasy (including the ones people here love like LOTR and Dune)

[Anonymous No.19992519]

>>19992512
True tho

[Anonymous No.19992534]

>>19992512
pulp fiction is a movie though, anon. How is that relevant for /lit/?

[Anonymous No.19992535]

>>19992534
I mean pulp fiction like Conan not the movie.

[Anonymous No.19992544]

>>19992535
What do you mean? Are you talking about the Conan the Barbarian movies?

[Anonymous No.19992549]

>>19992544
No. I'm talking about pulp magazines where stories like Conan first appeared.

[Anonymous No.19992557]

>>19992418
Yes Self-help is much more fulfilling than Paradise Lost and Moby Dick. Brilliant post.

[Anonymous No.19992558]

>>19992418
I think women are superior to men. I think men are less evolved. That's why we look and act like apes.

[Anonymouṡ No.19992573]

>>19992418
>BRONZE
Plot matters. Without a good plot it's very hard to have a satisfying ending.

>SILVER
It's surprisingly easy to modify the language by deliberate activism. Sadly, at present, this is only being done by wicked and/or misguided people. It could and should be done beneficially.

>GOLD
Butterfly — annoying as she can be, and foolish as most of her opinions are — is worth more than 95% of posters here.

[Anonymous No.19992575]

are we larping as twitter?

[Anonymous No.19992613]

>I do not care for James Joyce

>shorter books are better than longer doorstoppers

>I do not care for most “postmodern” novels, even though they were a gateway into literature for me

>the great American writers are actually that, and deserving of their reputation

>more difficult does not mean better

[Anonymous No.19992629]

>>19992549
you're making no sense anon

>>19992558
that's why I decided to become a woman :)

>>19992613
these are not controversial at all

[Anonymous No.19992636]

There are no good American writers

[Anonymous No.19992642]

>>19992629
>that's why I decided to become a woman :)
CUTE!

[Anonymous No.19992647]

>>19992629
>that's why I decided to become a woman :)
I kneel

[Anonymous No.19992650]

>>19992418
>I personally think reading anything other than non-fiction is a waste of time.
Historical fiction is better than straight history (I'm aware that's not the only non-fiction) because it's easier to digest, and the reader isn't tempted to treat everything in it as 100% true as they might when reading something arrogantly called "non-fiction".

[Anonymous No.19992654]

>>19992650
>Historical fiction
historical fiction is literally just capeshit but old

[Anonymous No.19992664]

>>19992654
*WHOOSH*

[Anonymous No.19992676]

>>19992629
>that's why I decided to become a woman :)
You will never be a woman.
Despite the fact that I think men are inferior apes, I would never stoop so low as to become any type of fag. Changing your sex (or "gender") is just as impossible as activating your sharingan.

[Anonymous No.19992687]

>>19992418
Literature is dead unless it's minimalism, metaliterature, or otherwise heavy experimentation, such as internet-based lit. Not that most of it is good, because it isn't, but everything else is mere product, not art.
Stories, characters, metaphors, meter, even supposedly profound ideas... All of those have been done already. There are more "deep characters" and "striking metaphors" than you will be able to read in your lifetime. You may try to invent new ones in order to sell, but it will make no difference for literature. A different flavor of Pepsi is still Pepsi.
It's time to search for new kinds of literary writing.

It's like melody in music. Contemporary composers don't use much melody anymore. Why would they? Mozart, Schubert and Puccini alone have written more beautiful melodies than we will ever need, to the point that it becomes boring.

[Anonymous No.19992691]

>>19992418
This is pseudo-intellectualism at its worse.
1. There is nothing wrong with entertainment. Unless you are some Christian religious fundamentalist then you should live the life you enjoy. You are using 4chan right now, which is both entertainment and a cope. I don't see how posting a distorted image of parrot and attempting to create an argument with internet strangers on an anonymous imageboard is any higher of an activity then reading fiction. There is nothing wrong with loving life, if you love reading fiction then read fiction. Some people prefer books over tv shows, movies, video games. I definitely do. Also fiction is far more entertaining than non-fiction.
2. Science has determined that reading is healthy for your brain, and it improves your intelligence and knowledge. This includes both non-fiction and fiction. Reading is always better for you than tv shows, movies, video games.
3. Fiction can sometimes communicate philosophical and artistic ideas in a more effective, meaningful, and aesthetic way than non-fiction ever could. Here are some of the great writers of fiction of the 19/20th centuries: Joyce, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Melville, Steinbeck, Kafka, Pynchon, Kerouac, Proust, Nabokov, Fitzgerald, Orwell, Tolkien, etc. Respond to me with several great writers of nonfiction from this same era and we will decide who has made the greater impact.

Personally I only really read for prose and poetry. Everything else I already know. Why waste 40 years of your life only to memorize facts. Here's a fact: one day you will die along with everyone you know, you will have made no impact in this world, only eating, sleeping dreaming, working, studying endlessly. When you die everything you will have learned will be forgotten, you will not have learned life's most important truths, if you could have seen them you would have rejected them anyway. The importance of learning is not to remember, you don't need to remember anything except for some very practical information you should have learned at school. What is important is to be in the moment. You should experience profound truths and accept them into your heart. Once you understand them they are there forever and you can share them with the people you love. When you die something you did experience and own will still live on with someone else. This is what it means to live a good life. Retard.

[Anonymous No.19992700]

>>19992691
>Science has determined

[Anonymous No.19992708]

>>19992676
not my fault that you're not getting laid :)

[Anonymous No.19992711]

>>19992691
>Also fiction is far more entertaining than non-fiction.
Totallly subjective. I often get bored reading the best literature but find even dry academic texts can be exciting. Obviousy those are just the extremes too. There's no law that says non-fiction has to be dry.

[Anonymous No.19992713]

>>19992691
wow good job getting triggered

[Anonymous No.19992714]

literature has been solved. cinema is more interesting and worth more of your time.

[Anonymous No.19992735]

>>19992708
Seek psychiatric help. You're delusional.

[Anonymous No.19992762]

>>19992714
Hahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.19992772]

On the road is terrible.

[Anonymous No.19992781]

>>19992714
Good movies wouldn't exist without literature in the first place.
The best movies are better than most trash created in literature nowadays, but the best books are on a whole other level.

[Anonymous No.19992792]

>>19992474
We get it, you're so epic and high-brow because you think all genre fiction is trash.

[Anonymous No.19992852]

>>19992676
audreychad knows what's up (except for the feminine superiority thing, that shit's gay)

[Anonymous No.19992880]

>>19992418
That's not controversial in the slightest. That's the average safe and generic opinion of every cocksucking pseudo that infests this board

[Anonymous No.19992939]

The Scholastic Book Fair and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[Anonymous No.19992948]

>>19992676
Wrong

[Anonymous No.19992982]

>>19992948
How am I wrong?
You're either a woman or you're not. There are no buts or ifs.
You will never not be a man wearing feminine clothes.

[Anonymous No.19993038]

>>19992982
gender & sexuality are on a spectrum (much like you guys are also on the spectrum), you can't just claim that you are either a man or a woman

[Anonymous No.19993051]

>>19992792
>you think all genre fiction is trash.
Boy, is that a cope. I shit on one book you like and you have to set up a strawman to attack. Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.19993075]

>>19992982
sometimes a child has balls inside and vagina outside
>>19992418
many books should be read to one another a.k.a. be an audiobook.

[Anonymous No.19993082]

any non purely aesthetic reason to read is a complete waste of time and the more someone tries to relate fiction to life the less artistically minded they are, and consequently the less they understand and the less they should talk about a book

[Anonymous No.19993084]

>>19992507
>single mother
>virgin

[Anonymous No.19993121]

>>19992687
any of the current good producers make extensive use of melody, like Whiearmor, Yung Sherman, AG Cook, danny l harle, D-vi, Hazerbeam, Pvscale etc.

You can take advantage of modern tech and things unqiue to our age like internat age minimalism in the case of literature or a focus on aesthetic and rhytm like modern music, but to be truly great you still need a deep melody/harmony or a deep characterization. this is why modern lit suck but something like evangelion is at least pointing in the riht direction.

[Anonymous No.19993131]

>>19992792
I like how insecure genre fiction kids are.

[Anonymous No.19993135]

>>19992418
Penguin Classic translations are usually way better than Oxford World Classics

[Anonymous No.19993175]

books that shoe horn in sex for no reason other than to entertain coomers ruin the whole plot

[Anonymous No.19993216]

The Idiot isn't nearly as good as other Dosty novels
maybe I was the real idiot all along

[Anonymous No.19993244]

>>19993216
This seems to be his most polarizing novel by far. I’ve read all his other major work except this because I’m weary.

[Anonymous No.19993246]

>>19993038
Each cell autosomal cell in your body has a Y chromosome, and not in a spectrum, your body will always produce testosterone at elevated levels, your testes will always produce sperm, unless you casterated yourself, and now have a gaping wound that will heal and scar over, or go gangrenous when you stop treating it with medication, you will never develop a true uterus, you will never develop a true vagina. Your gender is necessarily male, and nothing will ever change your internal biochemistry

[Anonymous No.19993256]

>>19992418
Such a controversial opinion!!!1!1!!!

My controversial opinion is that political literature never genuinely amounts or contributes to anything unless it's aimed at the general public and can change the minds of a large number of people.

[Anonymous No.19993436]

>>19992629
>that's why I decided to become a woman :)
YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.19993447]

>>19992418
If your book is sponsored by Amazon, its probably not worth reading

[Anonymous No.19993450]

>>19993038
The only valid spectrum is the autism spectrum, and of you're outside of your "human rights" are debateable

[Anonymous No.19993549]

>>19992687
>Literature is dead

not so fast :)

[Anonymous No.19993555]

>>19993246
>>19993450
that's a lot of words for "I'm still a virgin"

[Anonymous No.19993557]

>>19992418
ann rand's fountainhead is actually a pretty solid book

[Anonymous No.19993618]

>>19993555
>Strawman arguement

kind of sad

[Anonymous No.19993658]

>>19992418
Pynchon is dogshit and he's the single most overrated author on this pseudheap of a board. Length ≠ quality.

[Anonymous No.19993664]

>>19993555
I would rather die as a virgin than to have sex with a mentally ill transexual.

[Anonymous No.19993687]

Islamic poetry, especially Persian, absolutely mogs most Christian literature.

[Anonymous No.19993708]

>>19992418
Of Mice and Men sucks.
Henry James sucks.
19th century poetry is better than ancient epics.
Magical realism, despite being a pretentious term used to allow academic types to write fantasy without feeling guilty, is still among the best literary output in current times.
Chinese literature from the 20th and 21st century is more interesting than the four great classical novels.
Virginia Woolf is a better writer than James Joyce.
The Odyssey is better than the Iliad.
I unironically enjoy the historical asides in Les Miserables.
James Baldwin is the greatest African-American author.
Stephen King will be remembered as the Charles Dickens of our time.

[Anonymous No.19993717]

>>19993664
>I would rather die as a virgin

Well so far you're on the best way there

[Anonymouṡ No.19993861]

>>19993557
Yeah, she's nowhere near as bad as her detractors claim. She's like a lunatic preaching the end of the world on the street: she has that feral intensity you often get from obsessed people. The Fountainhead is too long and too shrill but reading it is not a complete waste of time. Re-reading it might be, admittedly. (That would make it an oddity. Usually, if something's worth reading, it's worth re-reading.)

[Anonymous No.19994180]

99% percent of philosphy is useless to read and 99 % of people who read philosophical texts constantly are total psueds.

[Anonymous No.19994188]

I have an IQ >145 sd15 and am undefeatable in philosophical arguments. This is controversial because everyone on /lit/ thinks he's the smartest person on 4chan. I'm only posting this because I'm drunk and in a bragging mood, this skill is meaningless really.

[Anonymous No.19994197]

>>19993708
I agree with literally every single one of these opinions, and this post is megabased.

[Anonymous No.19994257]

>>19992418
Paradise lost > Divine Commedy as a whole

[Anonymous No.19994260]

>>19992654
Read anything by James Michener, then maybe fix your soul.

[Anonymous No.19994281]

Literature is subjective, books are books, when you're lucky you manage to read one that sucks less than most of the others. Nothing can be considered literature within the first couple decades (or whatever length of time) of its production if some 'lasting quality' to its structure and meaning is supposed to be involved in the definition of literature itself.
Literature, as a category, changes according to the whims and values of the population of readers within any given time period. Nothing is sacred. Everything ends.

[Anonymous No.19994291]

>>19992558
But that chicks looks like a weird fish

[Anonymous No.19994364]

>>19992418
Borges is overrated as fuck.

[Anonymous No.19994671]

I am bored of books about angsty men cheating on their wives to find "something"

[Anonymous No.19994683]

>>19992418
You can't learn any life skills from books.
You can potentially learn specific skills that form the building blocks of certain disciplines. But not more general life skills. This of course makes reading philosophy a potentially fruitless affair.
I have never seen someone show a direct link between improved quality of life/problem-solving and the content of what they read. It's always a placebo effect no different from reading Motivational Literature.
I've never met anyone who was more readily able to communicate with their family because they read Ibsen, more able to observe the potential affordances of objects and improve their carpentry and parkour simultaneously thanks to reading books on Phenomenology, and contrary to popular belief: no one became better at business thanks to reading Sun Tzu, they may learn about what time of day to fight on the side of a mountain.

[Anonymous No.19994705]

British English (all aspects of it, such as grammar and spelling) is simply superior to the confusing and retarded American English.

I am willing to debate any Amerimutt over this topic, and I am sure I will win every time.

The only thing America is good for is it's system of measurement.

[Anonymous No.19994713]

>>19992418
james joyce is worthless drunk trash and anyone who likes it is either lying, retarded, or a degenerate kike

[Anonymous No.19994722]

>>19992507
Anime is just so damn juvenile and creepy

[Anonymous No.19994726]

>>19994705
This is only true due to the fact that amerimongrels didn't update English spelling completely. They got rid of of some stupid spellings like the superfluous /u/'s and innacurate /s/'s taken from French spelling, but they kept all others. Bong spelling is superior for only being consistently bad rather than badly inconsistent like mutt spelling.

[Anonymous No.19994730]

>>19992474
Respect for having a truly controversial opinion and fuck you for having an opinion contrary to my own

[Anonymous No.19994734]

I don't read any fiction that takes place in a contemporary, real-world setting. I find it boring to read about mundane people and their mundane problems. If it takes place in the real world then I'd rather read some historical fiction, otherwise give me fantasy and science fiction.

[Anonymous No.19994750]

>>19992691
>Everything else I already know

Good post apart from this

[Anonymous No.19994763]

>>19992558
hope she sees this bro

[Anonymous No.19994778]

>>19993717
Please don't sever off your genitalia anon surely there's something else you can do to try find that missing piece

[Anonymous No.19994779]

>>19992691
Love this pasta. Great insight into the limited intellect.

[Anonymous No.19994875]

Buying used books is the same as piracy and stealing food from the mouths of your favorite author and their estate.

[Anonymous No.19994937]

Being a snob about reading translated works is pseud and just a way to brag that you're able to speak x language. Good for you but life doesn't hand out gold star stickers faggots.

Also, cinema is the superior medium for retard kino (pic related). Flowers for Algernon and Of Mice and Men aren't as entertainingly satisfying. https://youtu.be/2WtkWZyPehM

[Anonymous No.19994942]

All canonical works of literature are good. You don't have to personally like all of them but if you think any of them aren't good then you just didn't apply yourself enough.

[Anonymous No.19994944]

>>19994875
What if they're out of print?

[Anonymous No.19994953]

>>19994944
I'm going to invoke the Linus doctrine in saying it's "OK" to do it but it's still piracy

[Anonymous No.19994960]

>>19994730
Respect for the respect, and fuck you too, friend.

[Anomynous No.19995361]

>>19993708
>The Odyssey is better than the Iliad.
>controversial

[Anonymous No.19995568]

>>19992418
I hate philosophy and I think anyone who reads/spends time on it an irredeemable moron, and I will die on this hill if I have to.

[Anonymous No.19995572]

>>19995568
I'm curious about this one, so a few contextual questions
1. Are you overall happy with your life?
2. Do you believe topics like morals and ethics come under philosophy? (yes/no is sufficient, I'm not trying to 'gotcha' into a debate)
3. Are you religious or spiritual at all?
4. Do you ever ponder the definition of words just for the fun of it?
5. What books do you generally read? Not your top authors, the kind of books that you find yourself reading?

[Anonymous No.19995591]

>>19992691
Op fucking slaughtered

[Anonymous No.19995595]

>>19995572
>1. Are you overall happy with your life?
yes
>2. Do you believe topics like morals and ethics come under philosophy? (yes/no is sufficient, I'm not trying to 'gotcha' into a debate)
sometimes, but overall no
>3. Are you religious or spiritual at all?
not really, but I like the idea of it
>4. Do you ever ponder the definition of words just for the fun of it?
yes. actually, linguistics is something of a hobby of mine.
>5. What books do you generally read? Not your top authors, the kind of books that you find yourself reading?
historical non-fiction and creature horror

[Anonymous No.19995600]

>>19993216
it's great. i love that book

[Anonymous No.19995618]

>>19995595
thank you for replying anon. Any other replies are not me.

[Anonymous No.19995624]

philosophy brought us science

[Anonymous No.19995728]

>>19992430
Faggot

[Anonymous No.19995738]

>>19995728
you see yourself in the world around you

[Anonymous No.19995760]

Ayn Rand has legitimate points to make in metaphysics and epistemology, and she's also very skilled as a novelist.

[Anonymous No.19995803]

>>19992418
Dying without doing what you like is a waste of time, you will die anyway like all of us

[Anonymous No.19995897]

>>19994713
yeah stick with peterson and dostoevsky /pol/tard

[Anonymous No.19996116]

English in education should entirely centre around reading great works of literature and writing tasks should occur only to assess comprehension of texts. We should cut down on essays and absolutely minimise the amount of transactional writing in school as these production skills will occur naturally through the absorption of language. Why should a child bother with creative writing before they have been meaningfully exposed to literature?

[Anonymous No.19996132]

>>19996116
Also, anyone who doesn't keep up with or read contemporary writers is a larper who doesn't genuinely enjoy reading but perseveres through canonical texts because they think it will give them an edge over others in the social sphere or just to fuel a fantasy that they are some kind of mensch. For example, if you only read Melville, Dostoyevsky and Virginia Woolf this year and no texts from the last 40 years it is more than likely that you don't read for pleasure but 'self-improvement'. However, if you read those and in addition read something by Victor Pelevin, J.M Coatzee, Hilary Mantel (for example), it stands to reason that you actually like reading and doing so is natural and pleasurable, not an affectation.

[Anonymous No.19996148]

>>19995600
Its comfy but not much more, I feel like it has outlived itself because to appreciate it you would have to be a Russian minor noble yourself.

[Anonymous No.19996625]

>>19994188
Prove to us that you really exist.

[Anonymous No.19996682]

>Post your most controversial /lit/ opionion!
>I personally think reading anything other than non-fiction is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.19997269]

If you haven't seriously studied logic and philosophy of science you have no right to breathe my oxygen or propose arguments for or against anything.

You will work, smoke your weed, drink your booze, and shut your monkey mouth.

[Anonymous No.19997387]

>>19997269
Never have studied it, never will. But I'm breathing extra intensively now just to get more of the air.

[Anonymous No.19997406]

Louis LaMour was the best cowboy book writer of all time and i dont care what any one says

[Anonymous No.19997434]

With non-fiction, reading bestsellers that are marketed to midwits (like Sapiens) is probably a better choice than trying to read books written by scholars for other scholars. Midwit books are written with the intention of bold declarations about meaingful subjects and conveying a more-or-less complete view of them to you in a few hundred pages. Scholarly books are unpleasant tomes that go for quantity over quality and are often filled with even more overt bullshit for this reason.

[Anonymous No.19997442]

>>19992474
I can tell that it's 'good' if you're into that sort of fiction but I fucking hate it. It's just a bunch of random details the author thought would be cool, it has almost no wisdom or commentary on the real life human condition.

[Anonymous No.19997599]

Gonna tweet all of these and see which one gets me the most Twitter clout. Thanks faggots

[Anonymous No.19998340]

>>19992474
Same.

What's the name for stories where a child has magic savior powers (dune, enders game, new sun)? I'd like to be able to avoid these kinda of books in the future.

[Anonymous No.19998921]

>>19992430
visual novels are unreadable imo

I'd rather just read manga, then it would actually have some kind of a story

[Anonymous No.19998924]

>>19992629
you will never be a woman
you will age poorly and your male endocrine system will fight you every day until you commit soduku
Seek help

[Anonymous No.19998927]

>>19994705
>retarded American English.
>The only thing America is good for is it's system of measurement.
Ok I'll take the bait. You're wrong on the first because America kicks ass.
But please explain the second. I'm american and I don't even think freedom units are good.

[Anonymous No.19998933]

>>19994875
>>19994953
Ain't shit wrong with piracy. Also Libraries? Excuse the fuck outta me?

[Anonymous No.19999078]

>>19992714
Cinema is an already dead medium. It had its time, but it's gone.

[Anonymous No.19999081]

>>19993708
>Virginia Woolf is a better writer than James Joyce
Hahahaha NO.

[Anonymous No.19999222]

>>19992418
Waldun is a good writer.

[Anonymous No.19999274]

>>19999222
Cringe brah

[Anonymous No.19999277]

Hp lovecraft was a talentless hack DESPITE the racism

[Anonymous No.19999287]

>>19992418
You should read the book before you talk about it.

[Anonymous No.19999298]

>>19992418
Russian lit mostly can not be comprehended by foreigners due to complexity of russian language and cultural ideas, which can't be said abot literally any other country's culture.

[Anonymous No.19999307]

>>19999298
>Your languages doesn't have words for I fucked it to death until it turned light blue
It is a pity.

[Anonymous No.19999318]

>>19999222

[Anonymous No.19999328]

>>19999277
Agree!
The nicest thing you can say about Lovecraft is that he had potentially good ideas.
Kinda like the one about the space violin though, the name escapes me.

[Anonymous No.19999381]

The Plague dogs > Watership Down

[Anonymous No.19999391]

The Lord of the Rings is incredibly overrated and people only say they like it because they're told to. No one would actually sit down and read all of books and go 'wow that was a fucking masterpiece' if you changed all of the names to mask that it's set in Middle Earth. Yes, the world is cool- that comes from the Silmarillion. The Hobbit is a fun story. The Lord of the Rings has neither of those things. Boring characters, pointless scenes, a bland story, and none of the interesting world-building of the Hobbit or more importantly the Silmarillion.
That being said the movies are good, but that's because fantasy overall tends to be a better visual media since it's all flash with little substance. Science fiction is a lot better as literature than tv or movies because they tend to have more character depth and more complex ideas that lend better to books.

[Anonymous No.19999397]

>>19999222
Oh shit we are so close

[Anonymous No.19999405]

There's no making something concrete or abstract. Language is independent of consciousness, is discovered, because its form is static. An abstract sentence is a sentence the same as a concrete sentence is, again, because the form remains the same, unchanging, just as a painting is always a painting, as the medium is static, though the content or message is dynamic. "Abstraction", "concretization" are mental delusions. Reality is static, cf Parmenides.

[Anonymous No.19999412]

>>19999391
>none of the interesting world-building of the Hobbit
There's inconsistencies between the Hobbit and LotR, showing that Tolkien wasn't planning on expanding the story until after his success. Certain things are retconned then.

[Anonymous No.19999420]

>/tv/ > /lit/
Better memes. Better discussions on the actual topics. Better everything.

[Anonymous No.19999595]

>>19992880

[Anonymous No.19999623]

>>19992629
>you're making no sense anon

Conan the barbarian was originally a pulp novel that started in the 1930s initially published in the weird tales magazine.

[Anonymous No.19999665]

>>19993246
some biological males are born with xx chromosomes. i've even heard of a trans woman who got her chromosomes tested and found out she had xx all along

[Anonymous No.19999853]

>>19992629
>that's why I decided to become a woman :)
Nice decision, but you will never accomplish your goal. You will never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.19999873]

>>19999853
fuck off. i support her. and by any definition of the word “woman” that isn’t specifically chosen to exclude trans women, she can become a woman.

[Anonymous No.19999884]

>>19992430
doki doki <3

[Anonymous No.19999891]

>>19997406
Muy bien

[Anonymous No.19999941]

>>19999665
You're probably thinking of an intersex/hermaphroditic person, which is infinitesimally rare. Very different from bingeing porn and anime, then lopping off your crown jewels.

[Anonymous No.19999952]

>>19999941
no ik that’s intersex, but the point still stands that chromosomes aren’t a 100% accurate measure of gender

[Anonymous No.19999990]

>>19999222
Waldun is a closeted homosexual.

[Anonymous No.20000028]

>>19999397
>>19999999

[Anonymouṡ No.20000436]

>>19992613
>>shorter books are better than longer doorstoppers
This is too sweeping a statement but it does suggest an interesting question:

— WHICH FAMOUS BOOKS ARE TOO LONG AND WHICH ARE TOO SHORT?

This would make a worthwhile thread on its own. Which famous books would be improved with a little pruning? Which make us feel we need a bit more?

I expect people can come up with a lot more examples in the first category. There are a few in the second, of course. e.g. H.G.Wells originally intended The Time Machine as a full-length novel, but then he had to cut it short (maybe to meet a publisher's deadline or make some quick money or something). When you read it, you can see this. It starts very expansively, as though it's going to be 300 pages long. Then suddenly it isn't. It would be better a bit longer.

[Anonymouṡ No.20000448]

>>19992613
>>more difficult does not mean better
This is only controversial in pretentious communities, e.g. /lit/. I would go further. More difficult almost always means worse.

[Anonymous No.20000475]

>>19998340
I don't know but they're the norm now. Harry Potter, Percy Jackson, etc. are all the same concept but even more retarded.

[Anonymous No.20000491]

>>19992418
I hope all the classics are destroyed and I think everyone who wants to work on real art, driven by a mission, a vision, a will to communicate to other human beings, should immediately stop and destroy his work. People deserve nothing but to drown in the filth they love so much. If you are writing or drawing or filming anything in this era it should be the filthiest, most dishonest thing you can stomach that the system allows. This is what people need, they need to be poisoned.

[Anonymous No.20000506]

And as long as there will be people who still try to make "art" people will just take for granted that there will be idiots out there who will suffer this stupid martyrdom for "art" even when the "art" has nobody to speak to. People who make "art" are deeply deluded. There's nobody to listen to. Even someone who puts messages in a bottle has some hope that someone will pick it up and rescue. If only he knew that cannibalistic animals were out there to see his message, would he still do it? Stop feeding your soul to degenerates.

[Anonymous No.20000515]

>>19993555
Which I'm not, so you should stfu before you get raped

[Anonymouṡ No.20000521]

>>19999381
>The Plague dogs > Watership Down
Watership Down is so much better than everything else he wrote that I half-hope he never realized it. If he did realize it, he must have been incredibly frustrated. Imagine producing one total masterpiece, almost by accident, from a tale you spun to amuse your daughters on long car-journeys, and then struggling for the next three decades not even to surpass but merely to equal it, and falling woefully short every time.

[Anonymouṡ No.20000532]

>>20000491
I have some vague recollection of a modern artist who became a terrorist. He said he realized that terrorism was a better way of achieving what he'd been trying to achieve through his art, haha. I forget what sort of artist he was. He could have been a novelist or a painter or a sculpter or anything.

[Anonymouṡ No.20000559]

>>19994713
>james joyce is worthless drunk trash
He's not worthless, he's just overrated.

>and anyone who likes it is either lying, retarded, or a degenerate kike
Naa, But it's probably true that many people who think they like him actually just like the feeling of being James Joyce Appreciators.

[Anonymous No.20000711]

>>19999665
Thats because of the rare occurrance where the SRY gene the Y chromosome gets crossed over to an X chromosome in the father's testes. the actual determiner of sex is the SRY gene

[Anonymous No.20001766]

>>20000436
It's interesting to think about. I think a lot of people think that about the Count of Monte Cristo and Les Misérables
>>19992613
>>I do not care for most “postmodern” novels, even though they were a gateway into literature for me
Could you expand on that latter part?

[Anonymous No.20001783]

>>19992418
>I personally think reading anything other than non-fiction is a waste of time.
Kinda, but it's entertaining
I think people who think this way just like tv and videogames more than books, so adding reading on top seems wasteful

[Anonymous No.20002006]

>>20000521
I enjoyed Plague Dogs and Shardik tho

[Anonymous No.20002066]

>>19993708
>magical realism
>current times
Who even writes in the "genre" nowadays? Murakami?

[Anonymouṡ No.20002083]

>>20002006
There were some good things in Plague Dogs but I think his anger at cruelty to animals disturbed his judgement. It's an awkward mishmash of magic realism and moral ranting and straightforward adventure story and post-modern self-insertion.

Shardik I really tried to like but I just found boring. He must have really liked the evil slave-trader guy though because he brought him back in Maia. ("Brought him back" at an earlier age of course since he gets what's coming to him in Shardik, haha.)

[Anonymous No.20002167]

>>19992418
I hate reading. I hate Philosophy. I hate reading Philosophy.

I'd rather listen to an audiobook, and hear stories narrated to me while I work on some actual mathematical shit instead of sit like a faggot with words in my eyes. Fuck wordcels.

[Anonymous No.20002217]

>>19992418
The hate Twilight got was retarded and overblown.