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>> No.19990807

Why is 90% of the Lord of the Rings pointless? That 90% is all either just describing landscapes in painstaking detail, or going over pointless scenes like "oh no mr frodo dont go over the ledge oh no mr frodo he's gone oh he's still here oh what is it you said mr frodo there's nothing down there? oh well come up oh no wind oh you're fine though thank god you're fine mr frodo"

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The Justice of Kings, Empire of the Wolf #1 - Richard Swan (2022)

This is a first person, linear, single POV memoir. Each chapter begins with an epigraph. Based on the cover and book's synopsis, you'd think it's about Konrad Vonvalt, a Justice in his forties, and that's correct, but not in the way implied. A Justice could be thought of as a marshal, magistrate, and inquisitor. It's their duty to seek out and prosecute lawbreakers, both in and out of the courtroom. Their sentences range from fines to summary execution without appeal. They answer only to the Emperor.

The sole POV, nineteen year old Helena Sedanka, is Vonvalt's clerk. This is her memoir, written many decades later, as noted by the book's opening line. There's both commentary on how she feels about how she lived her life and a a few direct addresses to the reader. There are also a few instances where she tells you what's going to happen in advance. For this first book at least, the protagonist, if defined as the most important character, and the viewpoint character aren't the same.

I have mixed feeling about books that so openly wear their influences. Much about the setting is only a cosmetic change from their real world counterparts. The Sovan Empire is the Holy Roman Empire. Its banner is a two-headed wolf rather than eagle and much else is the same, including a state religion reminiscent of Christianity, though considerably more syncretic. The northerners are an amalgamation of Celts and Norsemen, more the former with its focus on Druidism. There's also a constructed language that's vaguely Eastern European. I don't know enough to assess how similar any of this is than on a superficial level though.

Only Imperial Magistrates, Justices, are allowed to learn magic, though that seems to be a matter of practice rather than capability. Every Justice can use the Emperor's Voice, which is similar to the Bene Gesserit's Voice in Dune in that allows controlling people, though it can be much more physically destructive to the environment and individuals. Aside from that a Justice almost always has one additional ability. Several are mentioned, but only a few are shown. The abilities are physically draining and may require a ritual.

The narrative is primarily about investigations and enforcing laws. It's certainly slow for the most part. This is not a story about adventure, heroics, monsters, or similar. Fights occur, but not that often. Sex happens, but not in any graphic detail. Overall, the purpose of this book seems to be setting the scene for the trilogy. In-universe though the purpose of this memoir seems to be to record a tale of regret for posterity so that the truth isn't lost. There are many times where the writer wishes her life had gone differently. If you're looking for a rousing tale of high adventure and glory with self-confident and assured characters certain of what they're doing, this isn't that at all.

I'll read the trilogy.
Rating: 3.5/5

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King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

>> No.19990816

>>19990807

>Why is 90% of the Lord of the Rings pointless?
Try reading it and not skim it. Also, stop repeating your shitpost already.

>> No.19990819

>>19990807
It's written as comfort food for women, that's why they are obsessed with it.

I heard Tolkien original goal was to get LOTR adopted as a movie, so he tried to make it very pozzed.

>> No.19990823

What's the best /sffg/ book you read this month? For me it was Downward to the Earth.

>> No.19990826
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>>19990823
For me it was The Darkness That Comes Before.

>> No.19990827

>>19990801
That is a sick mega

Where does our fascination of scifi come from?
Why are we attracted to it?

>> No.19990833

>>19990827
As maintainer of said mega, thank you.

>> No.19990837

>>19990827
for me, it's the escapism coupled with my need to explore the hypothetical
which is probably why I fancy sci fi more than fantasy

>> No.19990844

>>19990823
An Autumn War

>> No.19990847

>>19990827
For me scifi tackles really weird and interesting ideas when it's done well, be it socially or almost sometimes spiritually

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More like this?

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>start fantasy book
>the elves of the Bliffllortp kingdom sent their ELF SQUIRES to speak to King Haialxidiosu of Randiuri Kingdom who fought in the Lglaqa wars against the Orcs of Mount Fhqhqhqak. The wizard Riqiaika served under Lakajkrqbntt and with his magical sword Sshurqu that was crafted by the dwarf smith Rjajhabn in the year 20112325 during the Kahahabq wars between Kqkkqana and Akakantfqnq--
>close book

>> No.19990912

What are some good fantasy books about wizards/witches/magic users?

>> No.19990915 [DELETED] 
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sanderfat eternally btfo

>> No.19990919

>>19990915
the virgin child adult's book author vs the chad grown up children's book author

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>start Sci-Fi book
>red haired sex robot manufactured in blazang corporation is rebelling against dildo machines that rule the human race, she only needs to find the blazong vibrator number 3000 to defeat the intergalactic dildo emperor.
>close book

>> No.19990926

>>19990915
>already deleted
Clearly touched some janny's nerve

>> No.19990928

>>19990923
Hmmm
I'd try it

>> No.19990974

Plot summery on Wikipedia > Reading the book

>> No.19991003

I really liked The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic, but Equal Rites was one of the worst books I tried to read. What other Discworld books should I try?

>> No.19991007

>>19990974
This is honestly how my friend "reads". That or she watches a Youtube summery.

>> No.19991011

>>19991007
Youtube is comfort food for women, it is pozzed.

>> No.19991017

>>19991007
Having friends is pozzed, its oversocialization.

>> No.19991018

The Hobbit > Lord of the Rings

>> No.19991027
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19991027

I just see if Daniel Greene likes a book and if he does I don't read it.

>> No.19991032

>>19991018
Hobbit is less pozzed, yes.

>> No.19991036

>>19990807
Tolkien is aimless navel gazing that's only remarkable in scale and polish. People like it because they read it when they were 15 and The System keeps telling them they're supposed to think it's great.

>> No.19991043

>>19991036
>The System keeps telling them they're supposed to think it's great.
Because its a brainless good vs evil pozzed sjw crap.

>> No.19991051

>>19990926
What was it?

>> No.19991057
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>> No.19991065

>>19991057
Cool big bug, Xue Hua Piao Piao

>> No.19991067

so we have unironic tiktokking american in this thread now.

>> No.19991072

>>19991067
Just report him for spamming. No need to make a posts about it.

>> No.19991103

Fun fact: Wincanton, a city in southwest England, is twinned with Anhk-Morpork and even named many of its streets after locations in Discworld.

>> No.19991104

>>19991103
Okay, and we care why?

>> No.19991110

>>19991051
Paolini advocating for physical fitness in the modern world as the body is our first and most important tool

>> No.19991114

>>19991110
/fit/ cope, knowledge is the most important tool

girls go to jupiter to get more stupider
boys go to college to get more knowledge

>> No.19991119

>>19991114
>implying you can't be both fit and knowledgeable

>> No.19991122

>>19991119
Are you seriously expecting a serious answer from a shitposter?

>> No.19991125

>>19991119
coping /fit/ you can't MAX one without losing the other, you can be both of them but you will be a loser who didn't rule supreme in knowledge or body. You can only rule supreme and MAX if you focus on one thing.

>> No.19991177

>>19990812
Thanks for this review, anon. I always look forward to your posts. This book sounds interesting.

>> No.19991185

>>19991114
but girls are going to college more than boys

>> No.19991190

>>19991185
Yeah now that college is zero effort and just exists to tell you to feel good about your sins

>> No.19991192

>>19991190
Now try fitting that into a rhyme

>> No.19991228

>>19991192
College machine produces fools
They reward sins and soulless tards
Stupid professor with a mouth that drools
With clinically retarded students that farts

This is college in modern times
Reward zero efforts and sin
Only the students with no spines
That graduate and think its a win

>> No.19991247

>>19991027
>19991027
Holy Based

>> No.19991299

>>19990807
>the other two replies both have “SJW” or “Pozzed” in it.
Stop responding to yourself. No one’s interested on your bitch takes.

>> No.19991301

>>19990812
Why not start your own book review blog and share it here, anon?

>> No.19991314

>>19991177
You're welcome. Interesting enough to continue reading more of them when they come out anyway. As a note, this is another case of a self-published author becoming traditionally published. Whether those things have any relation to each other is a different matter though.

>>19991301
Posting them on here where they can be searched in the archive and on Goodreads is enough for me. I don't see any additional benefit to having a blog.


Anyway, sleep.

>> No.19991343

>>19990823
ok i'll read it, you mentioned it twice already

i read Mask of the Sorcerer, and i liked it quite a lot. i also read it because of a recommendation in this thread months ago

>> No.19991376

>>19991299
>everybody who says "SJW" or "pozzed" is the same person

Anon, I...

>> No.19991381

>>19991299
>The guy who DIDNT say SJW or pozzed is the guy who said SJW and pozzed because... he just is OKAY???? Praise Token!

>> No.19991394

>>19991003
If you don’t like the Equal Rites book, avoid the witch books. Try Mort and Guards! Guards!

>> No.19991395

>>19991003
The rest of the Witches books are better.
Either Mort or Guards, Guards is up next, just keep going in the publishing order.

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>>19990801

>> No.19991405

>>19991395
What’s your fav Discworld novel anon?

>> No.19991414

>>19991003
I liked the Wee Free men but it was young adult fiction. Color of magic was really fun.

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>>19990402
>where do the dinduir as seen in the amazon tv show come in?
Right here.

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19991455

Should i continue reading this? I am 80% through the book and the protagonist seems like a generic Gary Stu. Does this get better?

>> No.19991458

>>19991455
No, if you aren't hooked try something else
Maybe skip the course conclusion and read the first chapter of the next one, if you aren't hooked find something that gets those barbs in

>> No.19991465

P O Z Z E D
O
O
P

>> No.19991516

>>19991404
>All that trash
>The Wizard Knight right in the middle
I always forget that counts as an isekai. Why not have A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court in there too?

>> No.19991523

>>19991455
How is Lindon a Gary Stu in book one? He sucks at everything.

>> No.19991555

Know of anything with a good romance subplot?

>> No.19991607

>>19990807
They hated him because he told the truth.

>> No.19991620

What is the single worst /sff/ book you have ever read?

>> No.19991638

>>19991516
>A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court
is it good? the premise sounds fun. i enjoyed a lot The High Crusade, which has a silly premise like that

>> No.19991642

>>19991620
probably The Fifth Season or one of the latter Eragon books

>> No.19991655

>>19991523
I was going to ask the same thing. Aside from a literal deus ex machina, Unsouled is an entire book of the main character getting stomped on

>> No.19991657

>>19991638
It's okay. Some of the things the protagonist does are unexplained, which in my mind defeats the premise, e.g. he sets up factories to produce guns, but there is no explanation whatsoever as to how he accomplishes this in pre-industrial England aside from a vague hand-wavy "he worked in factories back in America so he knew how they worked."

>> No.19991698

>>19991642
Never read a Sanderson or Weeks book, huh.

>> No.19991703
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Anons... I am looking for a book or series where the hero is very Nietzschean and is incorruptible. I don't mind flaws but I am tired of the trope "nobility is actually just an illusion, nothing is better than anything else".

I have been reading some of the Witcher books but Geralt tries to stay out of stuff rather than do the noble thing. Does not have to be fantasy. Any suggestions?

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Anyone here been playing some Elden Ring?
Books for this feel? Lost cities and expansive ruins are my jam.

>> No.19991784

>>19991376
>>19991381
Ok chuds

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>>19990801
Reading the Ciaphas Cain books, nay 40k bros wnat to tell me more intro books in the universe. Some space marines would be great.

>> No.19991946

>>19991923
All space marine novels are varying levels of wankery depending on the author. I remember the Night Lords trilogy being decent though. Edgy, but decent.

>> No.19991984

https://vocaroo.com/1euKWLXqsA1o

>> No.19991991

What are some good sffg books for people who likes dwarves, vikings, orcs, and klingons?

>> No.19992012

>>19991923
Eisenhorn trilogy is great. What’s ciaphias Cain like I haven’t read it

>> No.19992022

>>19991946
Same anon as >>19992012

Right now I’m reading gaunts ghosts it’s basically band of brothers. Everyone says it picks up with a continuous storyline in book 2-3 and gets way better. I’m liking book 1 so far but it’s episodic I believe book 1 was a collection of short stories but I’m enjoying it and can’t wait to hit the next few books

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Thoughts?

>> No.19992034

>>19992012
It has Flashman vibes, if you have read that, but he is not as scummy as flashman, and actually earns his reputation.
Its light and easy read, has lots of action and interesting enemies, but its my 40k intro.

>> No.19992036

>>19992030
I really enjoyed it. I have the centipede press edition of it and echopraxia and it’s fucking sweet.

It was really my first intro to more philosophical scifi stuff and I think I’m due for a reread now that I’m a better reader than I was. Really interesting ideas, a lot of people say Starfish is good too but I haven’t read it

>> No.19992039

>>19992022
more like sharpes rifles

>> No.19992050

>>19992039
I haven’t read it, any good?

>> No.19992071

>>19992030
Prose is a little annoying, but interesting ideas.

>> No.19992078

>>19992030
its ok, weak confusing prose at times.

>> No.19992085

>>19992030
The alien concept was interesting, but everything else is trash.

>> No.19992387

>>19992050
yeah, good military fiction, bit like james bond in that there's always a girl a book, MC is like a 6.6 chad who rises from the ranks to become an officier

>> No.19992649

>Rand manages to fuck five women with one stroke at the same time
Colour me impressed, Jordan.

>> No.19992672

>>19991418
Lol
I think Tollers should have kept the lore bit where Maeglin had Orc's blood.

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>>19991784
>"they're the same person" he thought to himself
>"they have to be"

>> No.19992957

Give me a quick rundown on Brent Weeks

>> No.19992974

>>19992957
It's groups of seven Brent Days.

>> No.19992984

>>19990823
The Drowned World

>> No.19993018

>>19991923
The first 3 books of Horus Heresy by Dan Abnett are great and give you all the foundational info you need to understand 40k, after that it’s all wildly varying levels of quality. My favorite faction books past the starting trilogy are Night Lords, White Scars, and Dark Angels.

If you want more Ciaphas Cain army stuff, Gaunts Ghosts is the pick

Tau: Fire Caste is also good if you want more xenos

>> No.19993357

>>19991455
His personality barely changes for what, 10 books now?

>> No.19993627

>>19990823
Standard Model of Magic, but it's a webnovel.

>> No.19993651

>>19991516
Heroes Die is good, while Fimbulwinter is entertaining for a smut.

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>>19993651
>Fimbulwinter
trash. I don't understand how amazon and good reads rating works. The progressive sjw releases get good reviews and good score but then this also got a high score? Surely sjws didn't rate this high, and surely people who read older non pozzed literature didn't give high rating. Who then? the only people I can think who might enjoy this story is the type of people who are mentally challenged and are not capable of reading.
I read like 7% and could not continue, it really is that bad.

>> No.19993793

>>19993773
>stop enjoying what I don't like
>how can you not be a pretentious fuck like me
>read "real" literature
>get my approval for what you should read
Neck yourself

>> No.19993982

>>19991638
It's worth reading but not fun. It's dark, dark, dark. Ted K dark. When you get to the ending it seems more like it's from the 1920s.

>> No.19993987

>>19993793
how would you describe yourself?

Also Kill yourself you retard, I am not even pretentious, I am just simple guy, a fucking average joe and even I could not read it.

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>>19992974

>> No.19994058

Recommend non-trash books.

>> No.19994072
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>>19994058
anything from here

>> No.19994115

>>19994072
Based and sex machine pilled

>> No.19994158

>>19994072
Chuds will buy the second book based on the cover then seethe and cope eternally when they read it.

>> No.19994163

>>19991057
red pill me on this

>> No.19994171

>>19994058
three body series

>> No.19994203

>>19994163
No romance, no drama, no harem, no sex.
Mc is top tier hero.
Banned by commies.

>> No.19994222

some one post the virgin chad cultivation pic
OUT BY THE ROOTS

>> No.19994236

>>19994163
0% romance
0% drama
0% harem
0% sex
100% Bing Chilling

>> No.19994246
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>>19994222
You dare assume my foundation is unstable?

>> No.19994252

>>19990807
Strong and interesting asthetic, obviously.

>> No.19994253

>>19994246
I don't know why but the never even heard of video games makes me laugh everytime

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King of /sffg/

Simple as

>> No.19994288

>>19994246
Is this reverend insanity?

>> No.19994295

>>19994288
it's all of them
xianxia and cultivation books are unapologetic in their power fantasy masturbation
the MCs are almost always psychopathic chads that do what ever the fuck they want

>> No.19994319

This is a Zhong Xina General?

>> No.19994331

>>19993773
you are retarded
it's not about spooky scary skeletons or other creepy crawlies
readers just rate it high, simple as

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BAKKER RULES SUPREME

>> No.19994428

>>19991657
Maybe because how he did it wasn't important. Do you also want a 3 page explanation on him shitting in a castle and how novel it is to have a 8 year old page wipe his ass?

>> No.19994559

>>19994410
curved index finger

>> No.19994754

>>19994256
PRC-approved novelization of Peacemaker when?

>> No.19994816

>>19994295
Kowtow before me and apologize, I'll leave you a whole body

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Daily reminder that no one believed “Youre insane if you want Maxx C at 3! It’s the most busted card and would ruin the game!” before dzeeff went on his unhinged crusade against it. OCG is fine. Master Duel would be fine if it were best out of 3. No one thought Maxx “C” was broken until the bespectacled yugituber bullied everyone by crying about how broken it is in 50 videos.

>> No.19994936

>>19990823
The Fifth Head of Cerberus.
>>19991703
You may have already read them but Strider from Lord of the Rings is sort of like that.

>> No.19995131

>>19991027
Ultra based. If that faggot likes any Fantasy/sci-fi book written in the last decade or current year, then its probably filled with globohomo propaganda or leftist messaging.

>> No.19995135

>>19992766
“Living in rent free in your minds, I see!”

>> No.19995211

Bakker lives rent free in their head
They see him in sleep in their bed
When they see him a tear they shed
King Bakker is here we will be dead

>> No.19995221

In all shapes and sizes, Men are forever searching for Booba. What they truly seek is the promise of return to Mother's embrace, the warmth of her cradling arms, and the nurturing milk of her nipple

- Ajencis, The Third Analytic of Booba

>> No.19995255

>eragon is supposed to be in love with the elf waifu, but never notices any of her female characteristics
>becomes extremely close to his half brother, becomes sulky when that half brother thinks he's a retard
>spends a lot of time staring at his master's muscles, port-red lips and long flowy hair, specifically watches him bathing so he can stare at his hairless dick
>drops his underwear in front of his cousin to show him a bruise
>spends most of book 3 fondling wooden staffs and swords which are described with purple prose
Is Paolini hiding something?

>> No.19995261

>>19995221
Big Booba rules supreme

>> No.19995278

Who's your favorite scifi author?

>> No.19995290

>>19995278
Bakker

>> No.19995317

>>19992030
Good. Didn’t like the sequel though. Didn’t introduce as many interesting concepts, and the ones it did weren’t layered in a way that built to something, in my opinion.

>> No.19995322 [DELETED] 

I'm a Bakkerchad...
Alone in the night!
But the fire in my heart give me sight

My only wish...
Is to rule supreme!
To make Bakker reign in honor and might

All who oppose him
Will lose the fight
And submit to Bakker with hearts full of fright

>> No.19995324

>>19995255
The true gay was you, the reader, for reading Eragon.

>> No.19995363 [DELETED] 

>tfw we’re all going to be living the battle of dagliash soon

>> No.19995368

Jordan was right, the First Age will end with Mosk and Merk slinging their spears of fire around the world...

>> No.19995397

>>19995368
Jordan who?

>> No.19995491

>>19995255
>>spends a lot of time staring at his master's muscles, port-red lips and long flowy hair, specifically watches him bathing so he can stare at his hairless dick
I fucking forgot about that

>> No.19995527

>>19995255
>>19995491
Understandable, Hairless dick and balls look good

>> No.19995530

>>19995527
Yeah on a futa not on a faggot

>> No.19995562

Going to the stream by the house, they quickly disrobed. Eragon surreptitiously watched the elf, curious as to what he looked like without his clothes. Oromis was very thin, yet his muscles were perfectly defined, etched under his skin with the hard lines of a woodcut. No hair grew upon his chest or legs, not even around his groin. His body seemed almost freakish to Eragon, compared to the men he was used to seeing in Carvahall—although it had a certain refined elegance to it, like that of a wildcat.

>> No.19995590

Coping and seething eternally, greasy and red externally, teary eyes perpetually, on the verge of breakdown eternally.

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Reading books then getting humiliated in an anime site... then you die.

>> No.19995707

>>19993973

Cyberpunk is probably the best of all of them

>> No.19995790

>>19995707
I can agree with that. It's because Cyberpunk is the only of the -punks to actually have at one point been actually 'punk' rather than just a shallow aesthetic.

>> No.19995799
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VELOCITY WEAPON by Megan E. O’Keefe, is this any good?

>> No.19995806

>>19995799
Megan Kweef? Sounds good

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So one dungeon in Elden Ring basically has skin spies in it, this one is a big hand but there are also little hands that look like the right size to grab your face
Maybe Miyazaki has read Bakker... though he did say that The Eternal Champion was an inspiration this time

>> No.19995861

What is your favorite Robert Silverberg book?

>> No.19995886

>>19995844
Is Bakker even translated in japanese? I don't think the series is big enough to have transatlantic reach

>> No.19996123

>Bakker invented hand-shaped objects that grab your face
whoa

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19996200

rate the annalists
>young croaker > one eye > old croaker > lady > case > murgen > sleepy

>> No.19996205

>>19990807
>it's a book by rabbits, for rabbits, about rabbits

>> No.19996216

>the r/haremfantasynovels subreddit had 900 subscribers at the end of 2020, 2000 subscribers in February 2021 and has 7400 subscribers now
what does this mean for the fantasy genre?

>> No.19996229

https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/t3ci03/why_is_the_ukrainian_flag_is_the_symbol_of_a/
lmao even

>> No.19996448

>>19996216
>what does this mean for the fantasy genre?
Harem fantasy novels are the most averse to sjw shit and prudishness, so there's that.
On the other side, those novel are porn with a story, not story with porn, so the world-building and character are literally cardboard-level of deepness. Also LOTS of it is litrpg/gamelit/progression shit and such.....

>> No.19996468

Been reading that Cixin Liu guy, finished the first book. Prose seems autistic and characters are barely there, no emotion whatsoever, pure bugmen lit. However he does put forward some interesting concepts, the prose being that of an average VN. The most hilarious bit was when he described all this quantum mumbo-jumbo with Trisolarans wrapping their planet in proton shield (yet they still need to watch out for the tri-Suns) and then moving two proton demon to Earth so it can mess up the proton accelerators AND then somehow managing to invent real-time communication via said protons. I have no idea man.

>> No.19996570

>>19996448
Coomer lit is trash, also given how mc is normally a white knight I don't see how it is averse sjw.

>> No.19996591

>>19996570
>white knight
How? The closest I've read have the MC rescue a girl from an evil rape wizard only to fuck the girl himself. Is not raping women all it takes to be a white knight SJW? How are male power fantasies involving harems not averse SJW to you?

>> No.19996620

>>19996591
Ignore the shitter. He does this shit every thread.

>> No.19996643

All this time I've been memeing about Lovecraft and his cat but he really is that good.

>> No.19996698

>>19996570
>how mc is normally a white knight I don't see how it is averse sjw.
Every time the MC is white knighting in coomer lit he ends up fucking that girl, unlike in reality where he gets cucked or friendzoned.

>> No.19996711

>>19996216
That is pretty incredible growth for a genre that I would assume doesn't get any coverage on social media. Have other fantasy or scifi self pubbed communities exploded in popularity like that as well?

>> No.19996945

>>19996698
A lot of times mc is isekaied into a chad body, even if he was a loser in previous life he is now a chad, sjw roasties don't actually mind sex with chad even if rapes them and treats them badly.

>> No.19996950

>>19991343 Don't encourage spamming the same books.
>>19991620 I don't know which is the worst overall. Many are terrible in their own ways.
>>19993773 It really is just that bad.
>>19994754 Comic books exist.
>>19995278 None really stand out enough in terms of consistency for me overall to pick just one.
>>19995530 Semantics
>>19995799 I tried and didn't care enough.
>>19995861 Difficult to say because of Nostalgia. There are a number of hits, but also a lots of misses.
>>19996216 It doesn't mean anything for the genre as a whole.
>>19996468 Yeah, that's true.

>> No.19997414

>>19994163
>It gets good by chapter 300, I swear
>The translator changes and it improves, I swear
>The Gary Stu doesn't keep coincidentally receiving or finding the exact thing he needs to counter the plot or character the story setup last chapter, I swear
>The MC is mean to GIRLS dude
>Some characters also say fag and retard in casual conversation isn't that sigma?

Never trust the Chinese.
Never respond to the Chinese.

>> No.19997484

>>19995799
Women can't write good military science fiction. So, naturally, you can safety skip this.

>> No.19997527

>reading some reincarnation litrpg, nothing special
>author starts building up the MC's old love interest from his past life
>getting emotionally involved
>MC finally finds her again
>"hell yea, finally!"
>only pines after her from afar
>the author lets her fuck off with her current boyfriend (still alive in this life)
>drops her competely
For FUCKS sake. You can't fucking DO THIS to me.

>> No.19997550

>>19997414
>>It gets good by chapter 300, I swear
It gets good by chapter 1

>> No.19997639

The talk about how Heinleins book were coomer bait a few threads back, especially with regards to his lazarus long series, made me wonder fi there is any good sci-fy or fantasy dealing with people who lived long lives/were immortal. Anyone has any recommendations on this genre?

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Is this book pozzed and unbased? I heard it might get adapted as a movie and that is always a pozzed sign. The cover doesn't contain w*men so it might be non-pozzed too.

>> No.19997656

>>19997644
it's a less pozzed hunger games written by a chad

>> No.19997670

>>19997656
>Hunger games
Does it focus on pozzed w*men action or is it deeper than that?

>> No.19997672

>>19990912
check out brent weeks light bringer series

>> No.19997681

>>19991036
thats just a bad opinion lol I cannot believe you where retarded enough to post that...based

>> No.19997692

>>19992957
cool magic system pretty good character growth but he cannot write women characters all that good

>> No.19997699

>>19991698
ugh i know but the way of kings was incredible

>> No.19997702

Is interview with a vampire actually worth reading or is it like Neuromamcer or Live Girls where it's just more important in a historical/culltural sense?

>> No.19997704

>>19991703
check out robin hobb assassins apprentice

>> No.19997710

>>19991761
robin hobb assassin series has real cool ancient ruins that are unknown in the modern setting lots of past exploration and ancient cities

>> No.19997720

>>19997702
i read it once as a 15 year old and convinced myself i liked it but it definitely has a setting you should somewhat understand to really enjoy it

>> No.19997721

>>19997670
the protag is a male.
It's been a while since I read it but the series is about the least pozzed a YA series can get, barring the generic class struggle plot every other YA dystopian novel contains

>> No.19997745

>>19997720
How do you mean exactly? Just by it being set in the 70s? I know it's based on a short story and the first in a very long series.

>> No.19997756

>>19997702
>filtered by neuromancer
What the fuck is wrong with this board, I see this constantly.

>> No.19997765

>>19997756
People don't read, it's why they use buzzwords like pozzed, SJW, or written by women to cover up this fact.

>> No.19997768

>>19997756
I apologize, I'm a total idiot. I meant Snow Crash. Neuromancer is great. Snow Crash is the one that's only worth reading because it was basically the first book to say the internet was going to be mostly social while everything else had it be strictly business.

>> No.19997787

>>19997639
This Immortal by Zelazny

>> No.19997795 [DELETED] 

What genre is more pozzed and SJW, Fantasy or Sci-Fi?

>> No.19997815

>>19997795
scifi

>> No.19997831

>>19997795
Most if not all literature released after the year 2000 is pozzed. So we have to look into past and see how many sf and fantasy works have been released, I do not have any real numbers, however I suspect that there is a lot more fantasy than sf given than science really took off not that long ago (~1800s) and fantasy has existed since forever. tldr sf is more pozzed.

>> No.19997832

>>19997795
Sci Fi

>> No.19997932

>>19997831
The oldest scifi story is like 2000ish years old and it's about a civilization on the moon.

>> No.19997948

>>19997932
What story is that?

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Is there a fantasy book with a brap magic system, like there is a league of brap wizards that fight people with their farts?

>> No.19997971

>>19997948
It's the story of how a little boy learned how the fuck to use google.

>> No.19997989

>>19997787
Thanks I will give it I read since I know zelazny is a solid writers.
This is such an awesome concept that is so under explored, even when fantazy or sci-fi books have long lived characters the barely do anything with them. It basically boils down to "LoL they are old and they know things I guess" which is a shame.

>> No.19997999 [DELETED] 

Ghost of Kiev = Bakker

That's why he stopped writing, he is fighting against communism.

>> No.19998012

>>19997999
>russia
>communist
kek
>fighting for American interests is le good
> muh marvel heroes agsint putin
bakker isn't a faggot.

>> No.19998014

>>19998012
>bakker isn't a faggot
lol.
lmao.

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>>19997999
Fucking digits confirm. This now a ghost Bakker chad thread.

>> No.19998017

>>19998012
Bakker is a hero, heroes do exist IRL, and they deserve to get praised by soi bois and hard men alike.

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>>19997999
>Ghost of Kiev =
Desperate ukrainian propaganda, what a fucking joke.
Picrelated is your Ukrainian fighting force, the men that might be physically capable (let's not even get into trained and mentall suited for it) are 1-in-5, the other 4 being women or "men" who can be mistaken for women.
The one on the end is your "ghost of kiev" because if she fires that ak74 she will be flying.

>> No.19998028

>>19998015
Truth Shines my friend, it makes sense that Bakker ditched writing and decided to fight honorably in real life, only men like Bakker are capable of such deeds. I hope he returns safely to continue writing.

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19998041

First Bakker needs to dominate the skies, then he will return on earth to dominate fantasy again.

Hero of /sffg/

>> No.19998054

>>19998041
hehe, he already dominates sandersons boipucci..

>> No.19998068

>>19998041
Excuse me? He's canadian, the only thing he can do on a battlefield is push a broom after the americans are finished.

>> No.19998074

>>19998068
Canadians are tired of pushing brooms, they unleashed the blonde beast within.

>> No.19998079

>>19998074
Did you have a stroke, boy?

>> No.19998080

>>19998074
>blonde
I can see those roots a mile away shitbird.

>> No.19998087

im at the end of the dark tower series and the ka-tet has been broken :/ y u do this king

>> No.19998088

Any satisfying lit rpgs where the MC's opness isn't in a social vacuum?

>> No.19998185

>>19990912
Lord of the Mysteries
A Practical Guide to Sorcery
Only ones I can think of right now

>> No.19998196

>>19996216
7400 readers is not enough for major publishers to care, but it's enough for anybody self publishing to take notice.

>> No.19998201

>>19997953
I think you should be the one to bring this daring new genre to the people.

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19998202

What do we think of this?

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>>19998196
idk if I was a jew publisher I'd probably try to find a way to make money off of this or at least find out what trends caused it

>> No.19998221

>>19997795
Both genres are capable of heavy handed allegories to dole out lessons like "racism/colonialism/patriarchy/-ism I don't like is bad" but because it's so much easier for sci-fi to directly reference the present real world than fantasy, it's far more prone to author soapboxing their social issues. There's also the fact that fantasy authors, much like fantasy readers, tend to be nostalgic and therefore more forgiving of the past and willing to romanticize it, much moreso than sci-fi series which tend to be forward-looking and therefore view the past with scorn.

>> No.19998223

>>19998216
It's still a very minor blip, when you look at the scale that big publishers operate on. 7400 readers is not enough to make a profit. Maybe enough that an editor might keep tabs on it, or tell an assistant to keep tabs on it, but it's not exactly actionable.

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>>19998202
Boo thinks it is communist propaganda! And I? I agree with Boo.

>> No.19998227

>>19998202
>chinese
I sleep

>> No.19998249

>>19998202
I didn't finish it

>> No.19998256

>Decide to stop being so narrow minded and broaden my horizons
>Look up one of those booktubers on youtube to get views that are most likely not inline with mine
>Some dude reviewing every book he's read over the last year
>Somewhat interesting to see different opinions
>Gets to Dune
>Rates it a 1/5
>Says it was too "overly complex" and he couldn't really follow the plot
>Close the video, tell youtube to never recommend me the channel again, and delete the video from my history
And that's how I decided to never widen my horizons again

>> No.19998262

>>19998256
I mean....yeah that is pretty egregious, I think dune is shit but calling it "overly complex" is a joke. If anything it's overly simplistic in it's themes and plot.

>> No.19998305

>>19998262
>>19998256
I can see the argument. The big problem I have with Dune is the 'plans within plans that were started centuries ago' shit. And the worst part is that it often doesn't tell you that the plans even existed until you are seeing the results.

That would make it seem too complicated for many people - "Wait, so the bene gesserits made him have a child-god sister to help his jihad? How was I supposed to follow that? Where did that come from?" There are people that try to predict what's going to happen based on revealed information, and that simply doesn't work with Dune. When these people fail, they think it's because they missed something or the plot is too complex, not that the book was deliberately withholding info.

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>>19998256
>You WILL enjoy Dune
>You WILL rate it 5/5

>> No.19998399

>>19998202
Dropped by chapter 15.
I'm not the only one who did that, on r*ddit more people said that and were told to "keep going for 200 chapters, it becomes good by then".
I don't want it to be good after 200 fucking chapters, I want it to be good now!
I've also become allergic to isekaied people from the modern world to a fantasy one recently.
>yes, it's an isekai, a chink one at that...

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>>19998256
>>Decide to stop being so narrow minded and broaden my horizons
>>Look up one of those booktubers on youtube
The absolute state

>> No.19998441 [DELETED] 

>>19998420
Yeah youtube is pozzed and sjw, hard men watch BitChute.

>> No.19998492

>>19998399
Its good honestly keep reading it, it gets better and better the more you read it.

>> No.19998499

>>19998249
what chapter did you end on

>> No.19998514

>>19998492
>>19998499
No one is going to read so stop shilling it already.

>> No.19998612

>>19995844
Is playing video games a pozzed activity? is this game Bakkerchad approved?

>> No.19998640

>>19998386
I think Dune is overrated, but "too complex to follow" isn't a valid criticism unless you're clinically retarded.

>> No.19998706

>>19998612
Is pozzed the only word you know? Is that why you keep spamming it? If so, go back to Twitter or Reddit already.

>> No.19998773

>>19995562
Okay. What's the issue here?

>> No.19998781

I don't read books by authors who are under 6'3.

Simple as.

>> No.19998815

>>19991923
Start with Horus Heresy.
It's like the Greeks of WH40K

>> No.19998841

>>19998781
Bakker is 6'9.

Simple as.

>> No.19998853

how Severian know how to fight?

>> No.19998912

>>19998853
Can you say this in English?

>> No.19998973

>>19998841
Hmm seems interesting. May need proof.

>> No.19999007

>>19998973
Don't believe him, Bakker is a manlet.

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>1/3 of the way through TUC
>mfw

>> No.19999079

>>19998853
He doesn't. That's what makes it exciting.

>> No.19999089

>>19997702
It's alright if you like vampire books. Anne Rice can't write men for shit though.

>> No.19999094

>>19997681
Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug. Come back in a couple years when you have your head straight.

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>>19998853
Presumably it was one of the skills he got taught in the Cidatel. If torturers are that close to their clients then they have to know how to defend themselves.
Terminus Est is the best sword.

>> No.19999143

>>19997484
yeah I read a few chapters and the style is all extremely globohomo and has a big "ready to be adapted as a popular TV series" sticker on it.
Disgusting.

>> No.19999179

What's your favorite Discworld series?

>> No.19999187

>>19999143
So like LotR?

>> No.19999194

>>19999179
Why would you care?

>> No.19999195

>>19999194
I need validation

>> No.19999200

>>19999194
>Why make /sffg/ posts on /sffg/
Gee IDK anon I guess I'm just fucking retarded

>> No.19999201

>>19999195
You need validation about a book series?

>> No.19999202

>>19999187
no, not like lotr at all. I suggest you read both books.

>> No.19999203

>>19999201
yes
now tell me what's your favorite Discworld series

>> No.19999206

>>19999195
Anon, how about you graduate from elementary school because caring about validation as an adult is just sad.

>> No.19999208

>>19999195
I'm the guy you were responding to. Anyone who likes Discworld should fucking kill themselves right fucking now DIE DIE DIE I WANT YOUR FAMILIES TO WATCH YOU DIE SLOWLY

>> No.19999212

>>19999203
That’s severely depressing for an adult.

>> No.19999213

>>19999208
HAH
I actually hate Discworld, get baited faggot
I'm now masturbating over the validation you just gave me.

>> No.19999216

>>19999213
Jokes on you I was already jerking my girldick.

>> No.19999217

>>19997702
Anne Rice is one of those authors who had a handful of really noteworthy ideas that persisted, but her writing itself is kind of crap. One of her noteworthy ideas that permeated into other vampire fiction is The Embrace; the idea that vampires are made by a conscious and costly act. How well does this fit into her actual fiction? Eh. But that idea gained traction through it, even if she personally didn't lean into it that much, and iirc contradicted it even quite often

>> No.19999232

>>19999036
remember, the key to salvation lies through proyas' butthole.

also, bakker totally isn't gay. really. why would you ever think that? straight guys totally rape other men all the time, no big deal.

>> No.19999234

The Lord of the Rings is incredibly overrated and people only say they like it because they're told to. No one would actually sit down and read all of books and go 'wow that was a fucking masterpiece' if you changed all of the names to mask that it's set in Middle Earth. Yes, the world is cool- that comes from the Silmarillion. The Hobbit is a fun story. The Lord of the Rings has neither of those things. Boring characters, pointless scenes, a bland story, and none of the interesting world-building of the Hobbit or more importantly the Silmarillion.
That being said the movies are good, but that's because fantasy overall tends to be a better visual media since it's all flash with little substance. Science fiction is a lot better as literature than tv or movies because they tend to have more character depth and more complex ideas that lend better to books.

>> No.19999264

>>19999234
Anon, have you tried reading it and not skim it? Also, stop repeating your shitpost already.

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>>19999264
Who unironically skims books?

>> No.19999305

Post your favorite /sffg/ shows and movies and give each other book recommendations based on other anons' lists.

>> No.19999317

>>19999305
No

>> No.19999319

>>19999268
Apparently, him if he missed the mark that badly.

>> No.19999322

>>19999319
>everyone who read book I like must like it

>> No.19999327

>>19999322
No, but it’s obvious when someone is being a contrarian asshat.

>> No.19999338

>>19999327
Imagine taking criticism of a book you didn't even write this personally kek
Go outside and get some fresh air anon

>> No.19999339

>>19999305
Hell yeah why not

>FANTASY
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002)
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)
Excalibur (1981)
Krull (1983)
The Colour of Magic (2008)
The Hobbit (1977)
Wizards (1977)
Merlin (2008-2012)
The Lord of the Rings (1978)
Fantastic Planet (1973)
The Beastmaster (1982)
Conan the Destroyer (1984)
Jason And The Argonauts (1963)
Red Sonja (1985)
Alzur's Legacy (2019)
The Witcher: Nightmare of the Wolf (2021)
The Dark Crystal (1982)
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (2012)
Castlevania S1-2 (2017-2018)

>SCIENCE FICTION
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine S1-6 (1993-1998)
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991)
Star Trek: The Original Series (1966-1969)
Planet of the Apes (1968)
Logan's Run (1976)
Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith (2005)
Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones (2002)
Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope (1977)
Flash Gordon (1980)
Wizards (1977)
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986)
Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-1994)
Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
The Orville (2017-)
The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (1981)
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982)
Enemy Mine (1985)
Zardoz (1974)
Star Wars: Episode VI – Return of the Jedi (1983)
Gandahar (1987)

>> No.19999341

>>19999338
>Pointing out that someone is contrarian makes me wrong
Sure, anon. Whatever you say.

>> No.19999344

SF > fantasy
Without a doubt

>> No.19999355

>>19999341
Yes, anon, everyone who doesn't hold your beliefs and opinions is contrarian. Ask me how I know you don't have friends or even just talk to people irl

>> No.19999367

>>19999355
>Deflecting
And nothing more need to be said.

>> No.19999378

>>19999367
>O-of course I talk to people! That's how I know everyone thinks l-like me!

>> No.19999402

>>19999234
>The Lord of the Rings is incredibly overrated and people only say they like it because they're told to
And I stopped reading. Your opinion can be safely discarded.

>> No.19999411

>>19999402
Got too real for you?

>> No.19999422

>>19999411
No, but its idiotic that assume people only like things because they're told to. It's such an asinine opinion to have.

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Just finished a re-re-read of Sword of the Lictor, then Citadel, now I'm off to enjoy some very comfy Wolfe with The Sorcerer's House. The true Emperor of /sffg/

>> No.19999444

>>19999424
>Wolfe
What books should I first start if I want to get into Wolfe?

>> No.19999448

>>19999422
>everyone loves Avengers Endgame because it's objectively the best movie ever!!! movies from before the past 10 years must suck because modern people dont like them

>> No.19999450

>>19999444
Fifth Head of Cerberus
or
Latro series
or
The Sorcerer's House
or
The grandaddy, the beginning of the Solar Cycle itself, the Book of the New Sun. I'm currently up to Book of the Short Sun.

>> No.19999462

>>19999448
Imagine seething because people like things you don't like. I really hope you get off 4chan and go outside once in a while.

>> No.19999498

>>19999462
Wouldn’t be 4chan otherwise.

>> No.19999500

>>19990801
Does anyone know a good fantasy or sci fi book with action and violence necessary to the plot? I usually read these as quick as possible but I'm not sure why I'm attracted to it. Maybe it's a wish fulfilment thing.

>> No.19999524

>>19999500
What do you mean by "violence necessary to the plot"? Isn't most violence in stories in the service of the plot? Why else would it even be there? I'm trying to imagine a scene that has unnecessary violence and can't. It would have to be some kind of pointless aside where a whole bunch of people get slaughtered for no reason, and what kind of story does that? Sounds like edgy Deviant Art fiction.

>> No.19999526

>>19999524
>It would have to be some kind of pointless aside where a whole bunch of people get slaughtered for no reason, and what kind of story does that?
any Malazan chapter where the characters are not listed in the Dramatis Personae at the start of the book fits this description

>> No.19999537

>Dramatis Personae at the start of the book
What's with this convention? Imo always seems strange to me

>> No.19999540

>>19999524
I have read a lot of erotica and smut that has violence that isn't necessary. Gratuitous violence is usually seen as pointless by critics and moralists. I just want stories that aren't edgy and violent for the sake of it.

>> No.19999551
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19999551

I like progression fantasy where violence is the plot

>> No.19999556

>>19999551
you'll like xianxia then

>> No.19999629

Going to buy superhero series. Always wanted to read superhero literature.

>> No.19999643

>>19999556
>xianxia
Not him, but where should I start if I like progression fantasy?

>> No.19999683

>>19999643
The classic. Reverend insanity.

>> No.19999694

>>19999643
Read A Thousand Li. It's somewhat boring but it's completely readable and goes into actual daoism (which is supposedly the basis of xianxia)

>> No.19999698

>>19999694
Do you mind if you share a link to it. Never read Xianxia, but apparently there's multiple translations(?)

>> No.19999703

>>19999698
It's written natively and published in English. So look for it on zlibrary.

>> No.19999705

>>19999703
Thanks, but I thought Xianxia were written by Chinese.

>> No.19999709

>>19999705
Worse. He's Canadian.

>> No.19999721

>>19999709
Alright, I'll still read it, but I'm preparing myself for disappointment.

>> No.19999734

>>19999709
Why not read a xianxia story written by a Chinese person?

>> No.19999741

>>19999734
Esl translations and translators.

>> No.19999748

>>19999741
people who read that drivel are esl too

>> No.19999751

>>19999748
As is the majority of /sffg/, but even so, trying to find a decent translation is hard enough.

>> No.19999759

>>19999450
Thanks. Looks like I’ll be busy for a while reading those stories.

>> No.19999760

>>19997953
No, who would even write such a story?

>> No.19999764

New thread
>>19999763

>> No.19999768

>>19999709
Wasn't he born in mainland China though? I can't find anything stating this but I would believe it.

>> No.19999772

>>19999721
There is lots of footnotes explaining Chinese lore/mythology/proverbs so that's nice. Know that A Thousand Li is VERY slow-paced and the character growth is much more inward, focused on development and maturation as opposed to rampant increases in advancement and combat.

>> No.19999808

>>19999179
The Watch, obviously. Death books are good too, but a bit samey. Though I lost a bit of steam about halfway through Discworld when Soul Music and Men at Arms were basically the same book, except Men at Arms also had real life politics injected into it. The Fifth Elephant is my next one and that one sounds pretty good.

>> No.20000522

>>19999216
>Guy who hates Discworld is a tranny
Writes itself, eh?

>>19999808
I remember issuing The Fifth Elephant from my high school library, had some pretty solid one liners as far as I can remember

>> No.20001194

>>19998815
>>19993018
lel the Horus Rising is 100 books that is kind of insane

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