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19977287 No.19977287 [Reply] [Original]

When did you realize the stoics were right? There is no reason to get upset over anything if youve got the mind power.

>> No.19977292

>>19977287
I realized it as soon as I read it. However, I cant seem to live it.

>> No.19977299

doomsisters I don't feel so good...

>> No.19977300

>>19977287
I was never so foolish. Finding Epicureanism first helped me avoid such an embarrassment.

>> No.19977427

>>19977287
if youve got the mind power you can make your reality literally anything you want it
have you seen the shit schizophrenic and other mentally ill people believe is real and see?

yeah anyway the thing is that mind power doesn't exist
at least not willingly

>> No.19977442

>>19977287
Stoicism is the real deal, the kind of thing you want to read when you first hear of the study of ethics. I do not always live up to the ideal, but when I have long periods of self-control and I focus upon my ability to exercise, it leads to lasting sense of satisfaction.

>> No.19977445

I lose my cool pretty easily, reading stoics will help or it will only get better as I get older?

>t. early 20's

>> No.19977451

>>19977442
*exercis it

>> No.19977459

>>19977451
Well, this is embarassing. Looks like I'm not exercising self-control in assuring that my comments are correctly written.

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19977622

>>19977287

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19977700

Nope.

>> No.19977733

>>19977445
I'd say that stoicism can help but it takes time to internalise their teachings so perhaps it's a mix of both. It will get easier as you grow older.

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When did you realize that negative hedonism was the end game of ethics? Jesus, buddha and epicurus were right over 2 millennia ago and the stoics and platonists ruined western civilisation.

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>>19977427
Not only have I seen it. I have implanted it.

>> No.19978888

>>19977300
What's so good about Epicureanism?

>> No.19978930

>>19978888
It’s comfy and correct. Part scientific and part Zen Buddhism but also like a good self help formula

>> No.19978961

>>19978930
In Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy, the Epicureans are depicted as heretics suffering in the sixth circle of hell. In fact, Epicurus appears to represent the ultimate heresy.

>> No.19978976

>>19978961
Dante is sinner of great magnitude by his own standards. Everyone born before his carpenter god goes to hell. He’s an idiot.

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>>19977287

This is stupid. Not caring is one of the worst things you can do. Being distant isnt stoic or proud its pathetic.

You are an anti social moron whose brain is poisoned by dualist meme speak. Grow up. Find something to care about.
Apathy is for the eunuchs.

>> No.19979306

>>19979304
> stoic = not caring
Retard

>> No.19979384

>>19977287
Pessoa Book Of Disquiet + Tao The Ching is how I endure my serfdom.

>> No.19979414

>>19977287
You should be upset. To care means to be upset when what you care for disintegrates. Stoics are cold tools for others.

>> No.19979442

>>19979304
bassed

>> No.19979466

>>19978930
I like zen buddhism, where should I start with epicureanism?

>> No.19979996

bump

>> No.19980221

>>19977287
i have nothing against this part of it, its the part about tempering your enjoyment of things that gets me. i think id rather enjoy things and then suffer through missing it when i dont have it than never enjoy things but also never get hurt.

>> No.19980233

>>19977287
I used Stoicism to argue against Mark Fisher

>> No.19980367

>>19977287
I would like to see a stoic think themselves to death. It would be the ultimate display of mastery over one's own body

>> No.19980387

>>19980367
literally one of the main points in stoicism is that you have no control over your body and therefore shouldn't be emotionally attached to it

>> No.19980408

>>19978961
Epicureanism was notoriously misinterpreted by Christians so no wonder they were demonised in some Christian fanfiction.

>> No.19980416

>>19980408
>[thing] was notoriously misinterpreted by Christians
Damn this seems like a recurring thing

>> No.19980432

>>19977700
>>19978930
>not taking the best bits of epicuraneasm and melding them with stoicism

confirmed for having never read seneca

>> No.19980512

>>19979466
Lucretius maybe

>> No.19981939

>>19977445
You need to actually train your attention/ mental focus to be under control. Mindfulness is they key. This is why I love the cross over with Buddhism and Stoicism. I like the more elaborate metaphysics of Buddhism but the simplicity of Stoicism. You need both imo, bc the Stoic theology was always complimented in antiquity with a rich animisitic polytheism.
>>19977287
Just recently I've come back around to it.

>> No.19981947

>>19978888
Nothing. Its just gateway to empty hedonistic faggotry. Butterfly should fuck off with its meme nihilism.

>> No.19981962

>>19980367
This is what Cato did by committing suicide rather than living in Ceasarian Rome.
DIGNITAS.

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>>19980387
You control what you do with your body, until old age or injury etc (the Fates) remove that control.

>> No.19982877

>>19978930
Do you recommend a few days in athens by Frances?

>> No.19982883

>>19977287
This is the problem with language in philosophy, all you're doing is throwing around vague terms and concepts while never arriving at any conclusion