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19973729 No.19973729[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Is it fair to say he's getting what he deserves?

>> No.19973736

>>19973729
gorge orville was wright about HIStory baka lol

>> No.19973745

Imagine a world where WWI and WWII never happened

>> No.19973784

>>19973745
Explain a bit how you think the world might be different

>> No.19973804

>>19973745
>>19973784
Reminds me of News from Nowhere by William Morris

>> No.19973809

>>19973745
Imagine a world where Rome captured the Elbe.
>>19973784
Literally everything. Leftism wouldn't have been able to use WW1 to take over in Russia. The Weimar Republic never would have happened. Israel wouldn't exist. The cultural revolutions of the 60s nevet would have happened. Yet the technological developments would have been much the same, though slower. Literally heaven.

>> No.19973838

>>19973809
…
But why has WWI/II been avoided?
If socialism had taken the nationstates of Europe, that would have prevented the capitalist causes of the wars. So a non-Marxist socialism, obviously.

>> No.19973850

>>19973729
Who is that?

>> No.19973853

>>19973850
Me :/

>> No.19973856

>>19973838
>economic pressures don't exist in socialist states
See the entire 20th century.

>> No.19973871

>>19973853
well well well let me take off my ten gallon hat First of all LOL the saloon is packed this evening I can tell. Howre doing ? SCOTT'S doing a-ok glad to see you hear....now who wants to here about guy bannisters methadone henchman out of new Orleans in the 70s? I got so much stories they'll KNOCK your socks off

>> No.19973883

>>19973856
>socialist states
Anon, do some reading up on the topic before putting your foot in your mouth.
Yeah, in order to keep the great wars from happening, a great peace should have wiped the last of the monarchies/colonialist power out. And well duh, it didn’t happen. The Canadian truckers didn’t end Trudeaus tenure either unfortunately.

>> No.19973888

>>19973838
you should hit your head against the wall until you forget whatever stupid theory this is based on because it's straight up retarded

>> No.19973892

>>19973883
I considered putting quotation marks around "socialist" so that you couldn't pull this shit. Maybe they weren't real communists, but if that's true, then perhaps that's because "real socialism" is utterly incapable of defending national borders. Hippie communes CANNOT endure.

>> No.19973950

>>19973888
The question was posed above. “Imagine a world where WWI and WWII didn’t happen”
You fantasize that they just didn’t happen and that btfos “leftism”, because you hate us all and want strong manly states to keep the working class in its place with a cop on every corner. (There’s not enough doughnuts in the world for that)
But I challenge you. Why would the wars *not* happen? How could they possibly not in such a world with these socioeconomic drivers?

>>19973892
>it can’t have happened because it didn’t happen
Oh bravo. I guess we’re stuck with international capitalism and certain extinction. Better not try either. Wouldn’t want to be called a utopian.
Again, it’s a game of what-if

>> No.19973970

>>19973950
>propose a society that can't possibly work
>I say it can't work
>clearly you want to maintain the status quo
I'm simply saying that the CHAZ and Anarchist Bavaria are not models for a functional society. "Real socialism" has consistently failed. Central planning can work, the Soviet system can work, but you need to come to terms with the fact that an ideological system like that is necessarily hierarchical, even dictatorial. If you want to make an ideal a reality, you have to become a shepherd with the willpower and firepower capable of competing with those who are shepherds now and who will attempt to compete for shepherdhood in the future. You have to come to terms with the fact that Machiavelli was right and power will always exist and need to be contended with.

>> No.19973989

>>19973970
>it hasn’t happened cuz it hasn’t happened cuz it hasn’t happened cuz

>> No.19974002

>>19973989
Name a successful state in history that you like.
>inb4 I reject the conception of the state
Name something you agree with that has actually worked.

>> No.19974020

>>19974002
>actually worked
IE is in complete control of the world at this moment.
What I prefer works, but it only comes back when the majority overpower the minority of elites and armed dogs and hold it that way for a generation. It can work, it has worked, but we will cower before the glowing screens and watch it all go to shit till the last power grids flicker off, believing, deep in our blacked hearts that it was inevitably this ending.

>> No.19974024

>>19974020
Every majority needs a minority to beat it into shape.