/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19940452]

Is he overrated? His books have very little philosophical merit. Much less than the works of Ayn Rand (compare the fruits of Jordan B. Peterson to the masters of Austrian finance, Silicon Valley, and the libertarian movement, including the invention of Bitcoin and peaceful parenting). Of course the purpose of novels is not to educate or philosophize, but to entertain. The works of Jane Austen and Alexandre Dumas are far more entertaining. Dostoevsky’s novels consist of cynical depressing conversations between Russian bums with petty ironies and witticisms designed to make midwitted readers go “heh, that’s funny” without generating enough mirth to evoke a laugh. The only emotion he can generate is a nihilistic boredom, which fools who associate drudgery with meaningfulness mistake as profundity.

[Anonymous No.19940467]

What 0 Christ does to a mf ^

[Anonymous No.19940471]

>>19940452
Maybe because you hasn't know the agonizing suffering of your mother looking at you

[Anonymous No.19940473]

>>19940452
>His books have very little philosophical merit. Much less than the works of Ayn Rand
Poor bait
>The only emotion he can generate is a nihilistic boredom, which fools who associate drudgery with meaningfulness mistake as profundity.
Dosto is very much an anti-nihilist

[Anonymous No.19940478]

>>19940452

[Anonymous No.19940494]

>>19940452
t doesn't know what nihilism means

[Anonymous No.19940497]

>>19940452
>Is he overrated?
yes, very much so, but he should be read nevertheless. if only to get a glimpse of what normalfags consider deep and profound

[Anonymous No.19940508]

>>19940497
If Dostoevsky was more obscure you'd hold him up as some philosophical God.

[Anonymous No.19940520]

>>19940508
his actual writing would still be painfully subpar, so no

[Anonymous No.19940525]

>>19940452
Dostoyevsky is basically a playwrite and that's how his novels read.
And Tolstoy is the writer of a Spanish telenovela / soap opera, the fucking hack.

[Anonymous No.19940534]

>>19940525
Unironically this. I feel like all of Russian classic novels are like that.

[Anonymous No.19940538]

>>19940467
>>19940473
>>19940494
I know he is not a nihilist. I am not stupid. He drags you into a smog of depression and nihilism then says “this is why you need Christ!” A basic sleight of hand that the pseudo-intellectual world falls for. No thanks. I could just read any other book that is not extremely depressing, most of which happen to be perfectly secular. For example The Fountainhead is not depressing or nihilistic at all, and is a thousand times as life affirming and idealistic as Crime and Punishment, despite Ayn Rand being a passionate atheist.

[Anonymous No.19940543]

>>19940538
>life affirmation and idealism is...LE GOOD

[Anonymous No.19940550]

>>19940497
>if only to get a glimpse of what normalfags consider deep and profound
Fuck no. You should read Dosto for the comfy 19th century Russian tales and for a glimpse into that period of time and not because normalfags think it's profound.

[Anonymous No.19940554]

>>19940538
And because I know all of you subhumans will misunderstand me, deliberately or otherwise, I have no problem with Christianity, that is not my problem, with Dostoevsky. I am not a butthurt atheist or nihilist or libertarian or whatever you want to slander me as.

[Anonymous No.19940555]

>>19940534
They genuinely are. I'm convinced the sole reason they're considered so meaningful is because of the dull and trite normalfags who ultimately are responsible for these impressions. You go into them thinking they've got something genuinely profound to say based on how they're popularly viewed and you come out completely disappointed and disconcerted; ultimately realizing you've fallen for the views of a bunch of midwits.

[Anonymous No.19940562]

>>19940538
>The Fountainhead
If I were enough of a degeberate to save soijaks, I'd be posting one right now

[Anonymous No.19940594]

>>19940555
Based. It's good to know that I'm not alone on this one, anon.

[Anonymous No.19940597]

>>19940555
OP here. No novel is profound. The fag who reads The Count of Monte Cristo tells the fag who reads Harry Potter that he should read the classics instead of YA trash. Another fag says The Count of Monte Cristo is a genre fiction action novel for children and he is an idiot for preferring that to the masterful psychological depth of Dostoevsky (I have seen this exact conversation on /lit/). Another fag says Dostoevsky is just a soap opera stageplay. This mindset of looking for nonexistent philosophical depth in fiction leads to the idea that the only legitimate literature are gelatinous nonsense such as The Meme Trilogy. icycalm is perfectly right when he points out that subhumans look for philosophy in entertainment and entertainment in philosophy; they are completely backwards as in all other matters.

[Anonymous No.19940609]

>>19940594
You certainly aren't. There is no way on Earth that talented people could read those works and not eventually view them as such.
The zeitgeist is just sadly formed by overcompensating, insecure, pseudo-intellectual midwits who value intellectual signaling over truth.

[Anonymous No.19940652]

>>19940597
And I wish someone had told me that before I went into these works thinking they were profound. Or, to be exact, I wish I had not heard of these works before I read them.
I go into something like War and Peace thinking I am about to read something I could find meaningful; something that would be intellectually invigorating, but ultimately I end up reading dozens of pages concerning a teenage girl's love and far more about some nobles' pointless social visits and connections. The whole work is ultimately just a period piece, yet fool as I am, I fall for people's views on it being something more.
> icycalm is perfectly right when he points out that subhumans look for philosophy in entertainment and entertainment in philosophy
I have to disagree to the extent that actual philosophy is entertaining to any inquisitive mind and subhumans do not look for entertainment, but for social status and means to signal their purported intellect.

[Anonymous No.19940656]

>>19940562
>>The Fountainhead
>If I were enough of a degeberate to save soijaks, I'd be posting one right now

Basedjak is not a something-I-disagree-with button. Hating Ayn Rand is the most basedjak balding opinion there is. It is the result of being complete terrified of social shaming and being a Gen Xer who has watched hundreds of episodes of Jon Stewart and Colbert, who use her as the butt of many “jokes”. Ayn Rand ranks with Adolf Hitler as the only two people who will never be rehabilitated by leftists. Chapocels such as yourself started talking about how Trump wasn’t that bad not two months after Biden was inaugurated, but Rand has been dead for decades and still strikes so much fear in your parasitical hearts that you can’t help but reflexively mock her.

[Anonymous No.19940668]

>>19940538
>He drags you into a smog of depression
I can't help agreeing as this coincides with my experience reading crime and punishment so far. If a book makes even me feel as if the whole setting just exists to depress the reader then idk what it's like for others.

[Anonymous No.19940694]

>>19940452
Shouldn't you be on TikTok or playing videogames?

[Anonymous No.19940703]

>>19940656
nice avatar, faggot

[Anonymous No.19940745]

>>19940703
>nice avatar, faggot

[Anonymous No.19940769]

>>19940452
All of these are just as embarrassing as Peterson.

[Anonymous No.19940844]

>>19940609
>There is no way on Earth that talented people could read those works and not eventually view them as such.
What about talented people who read and loved those works until their dying daysl? Seems like you're coping

[Anonymous No.19940847]

>>19940668
>I've only read one of his books but I agree wholeheartedly

[Anonymous No.19940880]

>>19940844
Pitiful normalfags.

[Anonymous No.19940888]

>>19940880
Referring to people with far greater literary/scholarly achievements than you as pitiful normalfags is an intense level of cope

[Anonymous No.19941269]

>Rand
>philosophical merit
>Austrian finance, Silicon Valley, and the libertarian movement, including the invention of Bitcoin and peaceful parenting
>philosophical
>merit
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.19941348]

>>19940888
>muh achievements
I reiterate with utmost certainty: normalfags.

[Anonymous No.19941659]

>>19940555

So, what are some examples of profound literature?

[Anonymous No.19941672]

>>19940847
Correction:
>I've only read 1/3 of one of his books, but I agree wholeheartedly
and yes.

[Anonymous No.19941757]

>>19940452
Yes, he is cringe.

[Anonymous No.19941861]

>>19940538
I guess that's why Nietzsche liked him so much because Nietzsche really was just a Christian after all.

[Anonymous No.19941871]

>>19940452
>fools who associate drudgery with meaningfulness mistake as profundity.
This makes no sense whatsoever and is just poor writing.

[Anonymous No.19941914]

>>19941871
read the whole sentence retard