/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.19933865]

Wolf’s Blood edition

Previous Thread:>>19927362

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>>>/t/1023504

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Never going to be created.

[Anonymous No.19933874]

Bakker sucks
simple as

[Anonymous No.19933876]

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

[Anonymous No.19933894]

>>19933865
Don't fall for the Bakker meme, trust me. The people that post about him don't even read to know how awful it is.

[Anonymous No.19933899]

Hails to Bakker, for he rules supreme

[Anonymous No.19933952]

[Anonymous No.19933961]

[Anonymous No.19933973]

>>19933874
FPBP

[Anonymous No.19934027]

>>19933874
Didn't ask
>>19933894
Don't care

[Anonymous No.19934040]

>>19934027
I accept my defeat

[Anonymous No.19934069]

>>19934027
I accept my non-victory

[Anonymous No.19934132]

>I WILL NEVER POST ON /SFFG/ UNTIL THE BAKKER SPAMMERS LEAVE
You're a pathetic cuck, moogy. Didn't even last 2 threads.

Keep on being a good bitch and make every new thread from now on.

[Anonymous No.19934168]

Reminder bakker is pozzed and unbased.

[Anonymous No.19934185]

[Anonymous No.19934205]

>>19934168
>The air prickled with understanding
Incredibly evocative writing - I can really picture the understanding spren here

[Anonymous No.19934215]

>>19934168
Actually...

[Anonymous No.19934223]

>>19934205
That's gotta be annoying for the air to prickle you every time you understand something.

[Anonymous No.19934225]

>>19934168
The best thing about the subtext of femdom and cuck in this paragraph is that it's still Mansplaining in action. That makes bakker a "useful idiot" does it not? because that shit will eventually get him canceled.

[Anonymous No.19934229]

>>19934223
Oh please! Bakkerfags love getting prickled.

[Anonymous No.19934243]

>>19934225
>women are equal to men but they need men to tell them this
It's not even good femenism. It just reads like Bakker's weird fantasy of liberating women himself.

[Anonymous No.19934245]

>>19934229
"I did not ask!" declared the bakkerposter, the air around him bustling with denial

[Anonymous No.19934250]

The No-God?

[Anonymous No.19934256]

Or Iyokus?

[Anonymous No.19934264]

No Salvation.

[Anonymous No.19934266]

>>19934243
It'd work if it was written that shittily but with a female MC. Don't change the behaviour, have it be a woman that acts and thinks like a man.
Instant feminist hit I would think.

[Anonymous No.19934273]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2VpR8HahKc

[Anonymous No.19934308]

We literally can't stop winning Bakkerchads.

[Anonymous No.19934373]

>>19933961
Currently reading Chapter 36 Book 6 of A Practical Guide to Evil

[Anonymous No.19934398]

>>19934373
should I join you?
how is it so far

[Anonymous No.19934412]

When will anon go back to finishing Soulship #1? The first few chapters do have a bit happening so there is a lot going on to set up the scenario.
Did other anon start Radix?
Did other anons begin reading Sabriel yet?

[Anonymous No.19934416]

>>19933865
how to make a lovecraft ripoff ?

[Anonymous No.19934431]

>>19934416
be racist

[Anonymous No.19934452]

>>19934398
It's pretty great I was looking for something with really strong character writing and Practical Guide to Evil has it.

Here's the archive impression that sold me on it.

>I'm following "A Practical Guide to Evil". It starts off like a typical YA novel, but exponentially gets better after the first book.

>The premise is that the laws of "narrative" are embedded into the physical laws of the world, Above and Below are literal gods of (supposed) Good and Evil acting as the audience for the story told on their Creation, although Good is not always good and Evil is not always evil.

>The strong points are its well written characters, great worldbuilding and amazing exploration of politics.

[Anonymous No.19934621]

[Anonymous No.19934653]

>>19934621
The absolute state of PIERRE.

[Anonymous No.19934659]

THE ONE TRUE CHART!!!!!

[Anonymous No.19934661]

>>19934243
>>19934229
>>19934225
t hasn't read the books to know Kellhus doesn't necessarily believe anything he's saying here

[Anonymous No.19934679]

>>19934661
Based.

Anti Bakker fags BTFO.

[Anonymous No.19934723]

I thought for many years that this was just another Greg Egan style autistic circlejerk, but it's pretty based.

[Anonymous No.19934728]

the most based fantasy protagonist?

[Anonymous No.19934751]

>>19934723

[Anonymous No.19934778]

>>19934728
None other.

[Anonymous No.19934786]

>>19934778
But he's dead, anon.

[Anonymous No.19934802]

>>19933961
Going to read Worm and Pact soon. Also surprised Mother of Learning isn’t on this chart.

[Anonymous No.19934806]

>>19934802
probably an old ass chart

[Anonymous No.19934813]

>>19934802
>Also surprised Mother of Learning isn’t on this chart.

[Anonymous No.19934906]

>>19934659
Best chart eve, hands down.

[Anonymous No.19934914]

>>19934168
>>19934661
>Kellhus doesn't necessarily believe anything he's saying here
Truths are his knives.

[Anonymous No.19934952]

>OMG THIS CHARACTER IS MYSOGYNISTIC!!!!
>THE AUTHOR IS A BIGOT!!!! I'M TELLING YOU!!!

[Anonymous No.19934965]

Why are we getting raided by americans again?

[Anonymous No.19934981]

>>19934952
This is what /sffg/ actually believes, except they thing it's a good thing.

[Anonymous No.19935044]

>>19934416
Make the monsters something so terrifying human characters can’t comprehend them. Also, read stuff like The King in Yellow or The Great God Pan.
>>19934659
Im still annoyed this doesn’t use the Ballantine Books edition of Conan’s stories.

[Anonymous No.19935086]

>>19934952
>why yes i only read wikipedia summaries how could you tell

[Anonymous No.19935158]

so, question: Is sam legitimately supposed to be a retard? I was under the assumption it might be either because he spent too much time fantasizing about the world outside the shire, or because tolkien wanted him to have more simple, realistic speech patterns so people would relate to him more, but I genuinely don't know

[Anonymous No.19935198]

>>19935158
Sam is simple, not retarded. Simple hobbit from the Shire. I always thought the function of the Shire remembrance had a lot to do with setting the right mood through contrasts. Whenever Tolkien has Sam and Frodo do something, it's always grueling and somewhat boring, yet by having the reader be reminded of what they are trying to safe, the beautiful shire, we can't help but cheer them on as they go through deserts of doom and boring marshes.

[Anonymous No.19935219]

Thoughts?

https://www.tor.com/2022/02/15/book-announcements-origins-of-the-wheel-of-time-the-legends-and-mythologies-that-inspired-robert-jordan/?fbclid=IwAR1aeL6z_3XEwX5L3gwgk1y7RWyz1mcBIeYuOA2qlZez73Aeu6kxhsVrgEE

[Anonymous No.19935287]

[Anonymous No.19935299]

>>19935287
Author's use of Legends of Ren Zu as an interpolated story was brilliant.

[Anonymous No.19935335]

>>19935219
Smells like a cash grab timed with the show to capture the TV-race coffee table market.

Hire some random loser to write wiki articles on lore mentioned in the books and repackage for profit.

[Anonymous No.19935345]

I wrote a dungeon-fantasy "action" scene. Be brutally honest, how bad is my writing?

https://ghostbin.com/yyRsA

[Anonymous No.19935363]

>>19935345
Go to /wg/ for this shit.

[Anonymous No.19935394]

>>19935345
It's not as bad as it could be.

While it's understandable that you'd want validation right now after you managed to string a few words together, these sort of barely edited snippets aren't interesting to anyone, except perhaps your're mum. Keep writing and read something else than whatever you are reading.

[Anonymous No.19935447]

>>19935219
this >>19935335
it's just some guy who didn't write wheel of time writing what he thinks and observes to be jordan's inspirations with the only actual word from jordan himself being whatever he's said on press tours over the years. it's also coincidentally timed to release the same time as season 2 of amazon's awful show which tells you all you need to know about their "inspirations" for releasing it in the first place

[Anonymous No.19935459]

Why are most/popular mil-SF so comically bad?

Sure there are the classics, but otherwise we've had to suffer through the likes of David Weber or Jack Campbell, etc. Beyond just the typically vomit-inducing prose, even things like names, terminology, and technological ideas are cringe. It's arguably a rung or two down the ladder from post-Clancy Clancy, even.

[Anonymous No.19935497]

So, what exactly would be the philosophy of Dunyain in academic terms?

[Anonymous No.19935503]

>>19935497
buddhism?

[Anonymous No.19935527]

>>19935503
How so? Does buddhism condone extreme eugenics, rejection of all morality, tradition, and assumptions of meaning and purpose?

[Anonymous No.19935548]

>>19935459
because military genre is niche and people who are normally interested in it and have some knowledge and expertise in the military field tend to be bad writers. Tourists on the other hand tend to be liberal trash who just use (poorly) the generic military setting to promote feminism and liberalism and portray military as bad.

[Anonymous No.19935553]

>>19935527
>rejection of all morality, tradition, and assumptions of meaning and purpose?
Yes

[Anonymous No.19935606]

>>19935527
>extreme eugenics
If it allows you to reach Nirvana, why not?
>rejection of all morality
Yes, buddhism rejects emotions because they lead to suffering
>tradition
What do you mean? Traditions of society are nothing, wordly things. Monks don't care about these things. You must break Samsara cycle and become Arhat (Buddha) to save your soul (buddhism soul isn't christian soul).

[Anonymous No.19935961]

>>19934168
>Main character convinces a woman she is possessed by men in order to possess her himself
>Pozzed

Are you even capable of reading comprehension?

[Anonymous No.19935984]

>>19934215
is she even human? why does she look so strange

[Anonymous No.19935997]

>>19934223
A Thousand Li really goes into this

[Anonymous No.19936076]

>>19935984
people generally look odd when you pause them in a middle of a movement like that

[Anonymous No.19936083]

>R. Scott Bakker's work is dominated by a sprawling series informally known as The Second Apocalypse which he began developing while in college in the 1980s.
This explains a lot actually

[Anonymous No.19936084]

>>19934431
way ahead of you
>>19935044
>read stuff like The King in Yellow or The Great God Pan
will do thanks

[Anonymous No.19936086]

I don't really understand why people think the Council of Elrond is so long or boring, I found myself wanting to read more
>>19935527
>Of course you are uncertain, Kalamas. Of course you are in doubt. When there are reasons for doubt, uncertainty is born. So in this case, Kalamas, don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, 'This contemplative is our teacher.' When you know for yourselves that, 'These qualities are unskillful; these qualities are blameworthy; these qualities are criticized by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to harm & to suffering' — then you should abandon them

[Anonymous No.19936131]

if I write my plot her will someone stole it ?

[Anonymous No.19936169]

Favourite society, planet in Dune? I like the Ixians due to their secretive nature and how advanced they are.

[Anonymous No.19936195]

>>19936131
This is actually the safest place to post your plot. No one here reads and certainly no one here writes.

[Anonymous No.19936302]

>>19936131
There are only wannabes here, no actual authors, who will steal shamelessly from anyone, even friends, in order to get published.

[Anonymous No.19936402]

>>19936302
I am a published author. However, it's non-fiction so it doesn't count. pic unrelated.

[Anonymous No.19936435]

New Thread
>>19906403
>>19906403
>>19906403

[Anonymous No.19936448]

>>19935299
And the connections with the actual story.

[Anonymous No.19936470]

>>19936131
no one cares cris

[Anonymous No.19936548]

>>19935984
A Kilogram of makeup does that to you.

[Anonymous No.19936561]

>>19934659
Switch once and future king and Le Morte d'Arthur. No I won't stfu about this.

[Anonymous No.19936593]

>>19935345
>In midsummer, the time between the sowing and gathering of the harvest, was the time when young men had the most freedom.
You don't need to say 'the time' twice. It reads quite stilted to me. I think just read and write more to make it flow better, idk.

[Anonymous No.19936640]

>>19935219
If the Wheel of Time is already shit, then that's the sewage.

[Anonymous No.19936675]

This will probably sound stupid but I feel like ASOIAF might be too sexual for me, it makes me feel uncomfortable

[Anonymous No.19936680]

>>19936675
american moment

[Anonymous No.19936699]

>>19936680
I'm Australian sorry

[Anonymous No.19936708]

>>19936680
not him but I am European and I don't like excessive sex in literature. It is padding at best, more often it is how shitty author deals with his inability to actually write interesting and engaging story.

[Anonymous No.19936724]

>>19936675
There's nothing wrong with being put off by the sexual fantasies of an obese pervert.

[Anonymous No.19936725]

>>19936675
Having sex should fix that issue.

[Anonymous No.19936734]

Discussion Needed.

Simple As.

[Anonymous No.19936733]

>>19936708
It should be done tastefully

[Anonymous No.19936758]

>>19936734
what was the litrpg story about the time travelling mage someone posted about two days ago?

[Anonymous No.19936772]

>>19936758
I don't know.
I now of three litrpg time travelling mages.
Menocht loop
Mother of Learning
and Blessed Coda

[Anonymous No.19936808]

>>19936733
Or better not be done at all.

[Anonymous No.19936854]

Recently Finished Shards of a Broken Crown
Enjoyed all 12 Riftwar books so far
Continue? Or does it fall off?

[Anonymous No.19936857]

>>19936772
I think it was Menocht Loop

[Anonymous No.19936957]

>>19936758
probably mother of learning. Don't read it, it is highly overrated also the author is either a chronic coomer or a pathetic misandrist(or both), mc is male but is
a complete simp, there are maybe one or two other male characters but they are
1d and inconsequantial, pretty much all dialogue are between weak mc and strong females, 90% of the story revolves around females, 90% of new and existing characters are females, story moves forward only because of actions and narrative of females. It is absolute trash, what is more worrying is that there is and always has been tons of trash out there, but this novel is actually so highly rated by male readers. Are current year males so pathetic that they just read such misandrist garbage without even realizing it that they are being brainwashed and literally laughed at by a a hating coomer author.

[Anonymous No.19936985]

>>19936957
>Author is a coomer
>That's why the main character never gets in a relationship with any girl

[Anonymous No.19936986]

>>19936957
You are signalling too much, anon.
Sounds like those are you problems, and you would worry about what you are reading, and not other people.

[Anonymous No.19937015]

>>19936675
You're not alone but I'd say its the crass way he approaches the topic. I enjoy sensuality in literature. I enjoy reading about a womens curves peeking out through the sheer fabric of her dress and she feels a shock when a man touches the nape of her neck; I do not enjoy reading about some dude wiping up the mixture of semen and period blood off the table with his shirt after he's done fucking his sister

[Anonymous No.19937083]

>>19936985
There was no sex in the novel but almost every interaction is between mc and some female, no male author would write like that unless he was obsessed with females.

>>19936986
They are not my problems, and yes I am worried when a work of literature shits on men, mens ability to achieve grest things and on masculinity, and the readers who themselves are male instead of dropping it and telling others to drop it, they rate it highly and see it like it is some great story worth reading.

[Anonymous No.19937198]

Can anyone recommend me a standalone book? Preferably:
>less than 500 pages
>written before the 90s
>fantasy
>not by an American

[Anonymous No.19937294]

>>19937198
Bakker

[Anonymous No.19937374]

>>19937294
He said before the 90's retard.

[Anonymous No.19937399]

>>19937374
He also said stand alone and not by an American.
Canada is fundamentally American.

[Anonymous No.19937440]

>>19937399
Everything outside Iran and Best Korea is fundamentally American.

[Anonymous No.19937442]

>>19937399
Canada is Naive America.

[Anonymous No.19937452]

>>19937374
>>19937399
>>19937440
>>19937442
Bakker.

[Anonymous No.19937510]

>>19935459
Thoughts on David Gunn's Death's Head?

[Anonymous No.19937678]

Does it matter much if I don’t read it in order? I got the first 3 books but also some random ones.

[Anonymous No.19937729]

>>19937678
Pratchett himself confessed the first couple of books were just him getting in his stride. They're not bad, sure, but certainly not the best ones either. You could read the first couple of books as an intro to the world and then start at Mort or Guards! Guards! and follow the chart for books that come next. Those are undoubtedly the two best novel arcs. You may read the Discworld books in any order too but at least keep them chronological.
The Witches, Witches/Tiffany Aching and Science novels are not really worth reading and don't tie much into the plot of the rest of the books either. You should skip them.

[Anonymous No.19937772]

>>19937729
>The Witches, Witches/Tiffany Aching and Science novels are not really worth reading and don't tie much into the plot of the rest of the books either. You should skip them.
That’s a shame, I have a lot of the Witches books and the last book by Pratchett. I was hoping they were good. Thanks for your reply!

[Anonymous No.19937787]

>>19937772
The last book was seriously sub-par man, it was sad because it made it obvious what Alzheimer's was doing to him.
Happy to help.

[Anonymous No.19938367]

>>19935984
That is what real women look like anon. The kind that don't have a penis.

[Anonymous No.19938450]

>>19938367
>That is what real women look like
gross

[Anonymous No.19938456]

>>19938367
she looks like some kind of weird orange thing

[Anonymous No.19938577]

>>19935345
It’s not bad but it does need some cleaning up. I would recommend taking a break from it for a week or so and working on something else in the meantime. Then come back to it and see how it looks. You can do it anon.

[Anonymous No.19938723]

>>19937198
viriconium

[Anonymous No.19938792]

>>19934778

>protagonist

[Anonymous No.19938800]

>>19937729
That's sad I wanted to read Tiffany Aching because the idea sounded cute

[Anonymous No.19938810]

>>19935497

idk if they really have any philosophy beyond 'dominate all others'. Without the mission to kill Moe Sr and the later revelations he receives, Kellhus has no actual purpose. Everything he does is solely in pursuit of that goal. AFAIK Moe Sr only fights the consult because the consults goals would end in a world where Dunyain cannot dominate others because those others are dead or whatever the fuck the inchoroi hope to achieve.

>>19935961

bakker is not right wing and has condemned nazis and thinks the holocaust was a special instance of human evil, hes like a middle of road liberal with really no interesting views to either right or left. hes implied the rape in the books is him condemning male sexuality as predicated on violence and domination. so not really stuff 4chan incels like.

>>19936675

GRRMs sex scenes are some of the worst I've ever read. nerd should not write about fucking

[Anonymous No.19938828]

>>19938810
>t. has no fat pink mast

[Anonymous No.19938868]

>>19935345
A little rough around the edges, but I'd say that it's good, anon.
I think it would be advisable to remove the profanity.
>“Yeah! Chin up Aarin lad, you'll never become a great warrior groping 'round in the mud, har har!”
>Aarin thought he was absolutely fucking insane.
It's placement seems unwarranted and such wording is better used elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.19938917]

>>19937198
Bakker.

[Anonymous No.19939147]

>>19933865
Trying desperately to find a childhood favourite...

A YA fantasy novel series with 4 books written in the 80s or 90s.

>Book One is about some knight or whatever and his lady and the beta squire, but the knight dies and the lady and squire flee.
>Book Two he simps and they fugg. There is a land of people that live in tall towers and have angel wings and one befriends them on their quest. The angel gets her wings broken for helping them but the Lady uses her magic to repair them.
>Book Three I dunno. The Lady can talk any language as she has magic abilities from birth. There is another race of people that can morph into horses in this book. They discover an abandoned tower where dragons lived or something.
>Book 4 I remember nothing from.

Any ideas anons?

[Anonymous No.19939152]

>>19938917
more like baka

[Anonymous No.19939161]

>>19933961
>mol
I will buy a hardcover of this. it doesn’t really deserve to be just a web novel
>worm
i like the world. i dont like the characters. they suck. i also hated how every character acted like a retard most of the time. Or how weak characters are able to suddenly overpower people with godlike powers. didnt finish it.
>worth the candle
yeah the great antimeta novel. it tries so hard to be different that it actually was predictable again. there are far too many issues i have with the novel to list here. still, i wouldnt advice against reading this.
>a practical guide to evil
first chapter starts with a fifteen-year-old untrained orphan girl beating up a grown man with lots of experience in fighting. i like my tomboys in novels, and when it is cultivation/litrpg/magic world there is no reason why a woman cant beat a man. But the mary sue fight is the first scene of the first chapter. didnt read the second chapter.
>wandering inn
This is the greatest webnovel I couldn’t finish.
Such an incredible detailed world, you can see in every chapter how much effort the author put into it. The characters are great, and it took many volumes before the flaws outweigh the pleasure of reading this. The summary would be, that there are no negative consequences.
Nobody dies. Nobody gets punished for they ridiculous behaviour.
However, there is a reason why certain species are hunted down. There is a reason why countries are avoided and some characters are too dangerous to be alive and so on. The author tells you all that.
But when the rules are broken, nothing bad happens. The mass murderer goes free. The traitor with blood on his hands can easily walk the streets again.
Suddenly all the characters don’t act in a logical way. But more like how patreon “fans” want the character to act like. Its just sad how the novel invalidates itself in the later volumes.
>pact
Didn’t read.
>harry potter fanfic
My last hp fanfic was sixteen years ago.
>unsung
Haven’t heard of it.

Add “the perfect run”. Its pretty good and has a unique interesting setting.

[Anonymous No.19939168]

KINO

[Anonymous No.19939191]

I am Númenórean.

[Anonymous No.19939221]

>>19939161
>I will buy a hardcover of this.
It's coming out soon.

[Anonymous No.19939243]

>>19938800
Oh, you can. The Tiffany Aching series was primarily aimed at YA audiences which is why I cautioned against picking it first lest one get an incorrect idea of what Discworld's about. I suppose there is no issue if you go into it knowing this.

[Anonymous No.19939245]

>“You’re right, Esmi. I am a monster … The monster this World needs.

bakkerbros did we really plagiarize nolan?

[Anonymous No.19939317]

>>19937198
Elric of Melniboné

[Anonymous No.19939347]

>>19933899
>>19934250
>>19934256
>>19934264
>>19934273
>>19934308
>>19934778
>>19939168
Did you make all those edits yourself? Who is paying you for spamming that shitty YA writer on 4chins? Or do you do it for free?

[Anonymous No.19939442]

>>19939347
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.19939854]

Do they get better? I've read The Last Wish, and I'm working my way through the second book in the trilogy. There are some cool ideas but there's also a fuckton of Geralt's uncertain relationship with women, and too many descriptions of skimpy dresses. It gets a little boring honestly, but perhaps the pay-off will be worth it?

[Anonymous No.19939855]

>>19939442
You haven't answered my questions

[Anonymous No.19939857]

>>19939855
Not my problem.

[Anonymous No.19939881]

>>19939855
/sffg/ is the desert of Yondo of genre fiction, but instead of housing the antiquated demons of collapsed hells it is the bottom to which the fandom of a failed LEAF fantasist fall as he didn't even proofread half of his books and his dead series was dropped even by himself.

So no they aren't paid, they just have nowhere else to go.

[Anonymous No.19939885]

>>19939857
I'll assume then that you are a turboautist who
1) spends his time shilling his favorite reddit author on a mongolian basket weaving forum
2)does it for free

[Anonymous No.19939888]

>>19939885
I wasn't asking.

[Anonymous No.19939912]

>19939888
You keep replying though
(Verification not required)

[Anonymous No.19939970]

>>19939888
Trips of based.

[Anonymous No.19939990]

>“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” ― C.S. Lewis
YA categorizing shitposters eternally BTFO

[Anonymous No.19940012]

>>19937678
>>19937729
I started with color of magic despite this "don't read the first 2 book meme" and I don't know what the fuck they are talking about. Color of Magic is a good book. It's very dense and the pacing will keep your head spinning to the point where it's an imagery explosion in your mind. It's actually surprisingly good pros as well compared to your average modern fantasy writer. I think the fast pace of this first book filters people that can't keep up. Also I don't know why anyone would start with a different book because so far it's a self contained story that introduces the world just fine.

[Anonymous No.19940057]

the best bakker character is THE SURVIVOR

[Anonymous No.19940081]

>>19936734
I'm reading the Hidden Tower currently, as per anon's recommendation. I'm almost halfway through and the writing is hilariously bad. Things happen for no reason and nobody in the story seems to care. The magic seems kind of interesting and I wonder if there's some kind of plot. So far, I haven't found one. Maybe a bit of foreshadowing.

[Anonymous No.19940087]

>>19937198
Neverending Story?

[Anonymous No.19940095]

>>19940057
Sounds like a Sanderson rip off

[Anonymous No.19940194]

>Sounds like a Sanderson rip off

[Anonymous No.19940682]

>>19940194
Why do you generalize an entire author's reader base to the most extreme caricatures?

[Anonymous No.19940693]

>>19940682
Newfags think they're fitting in.

[Anonymous No.19940697]

>>19940682
Why are you projecting this hard?

[Anonymous No.19940704]

can we rangeban americans yet?

[Anonymous No.19940705]

>>19940682
What caricature? It's a portrait. Don't you have mirrors at home?

[Anonymous No.19940713]

>>19940693
>t.newfag

[Anonymous No.19940714]

>>19940705
lmao
what do you think a caricature is, anon?

[Anonymous No.19940721]

>Why do you generalize an entire author's reader base to the most extreme caricatures?

[Anonymous No.19940729]

>>19939161
Wandering Inn was shit from the first Volume.
Since that gobbo loving skank got people killed and survived, and the runner girl turned into a raging feminist SJW after her legs broke.

Not to mention that the fucking Inn has no magic whatsoever. You would have thought after the gobbo lover cleaned and fixed it up a bit, the Inn would come alive. No such luck.

That shit was the worst book i read in 10 years, and wasted a week and a half with it's literal filler pages of non needed shit.

[Anonymous No.19940786]

>>19940705
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.19940851]

>>19936854
The next trilogy is alright, count of monte cristo-esque. It drops off badly and stays there from then on.

[Anonymous No.19940930]

>>19940714
Your entire existence.

[Anonymous No.19940939]

>>19940930
>37 minutes for a tiresome direct insult
lmao ESL

[Anonymous No.19940948]

>>19940930
kek

[Anonymous No.19940954]

Don't care, I'm still not reading Bakker.

[Anonymous No.19940958]

>>19940930
dangerously based

[Anonymous No.19940970]

[Anonymous No.19940987]

>>19940970
The Iconoclasts trilogy mogs every other self published SFF novel.

[Anonymous No.19940992]

>>19940987
>Iconoclasts trilogy
sell me on it, does it have female protagonists?

[Anonymous No.19940993]

>>19937772
The witch serie is completely fine, don't listen to anon. He probably got scared that reading a book with more female protags than males would make his peepee fall off.
tho it's a hard fact that the watch serie is the best
Everything in discworld is fine with the possible exception of the few last ones (alzheimer and shit). It's just that with 30+ books some are bound to be better than others.

[Anonymous No.19941012]

>lmao ESL

[Anonymous No.19941040]

>>19940729
that she protects goblins is the major theme of the story. She feels empathy, and sometimes got burned. Sadly there is no growth for her. The author made it pretty clear that she wont change. Instead she turns into a plot device. Characters meat through her, problems are started or end by her. Her actions are just randon bullshit and nothing of her character is left.
Not knowing what you mean by "raging feminist SJW". Not that i liked Ryoka. She almost got me to quit the novel in the beginning.

However, what was great were all the other characters.
The empire building stuff, the doctor or the mad clown. Even the "short story" with the goblin and the monster were top tier. I enjoyed the majority of the story and it makes me sad that i will never know what happens to Laken and the other characters.

[Anonymous No.19941101]

This guy is a simp cuck like you all, and is lusting after second hand used goods just like Kvothe. I could image akka and kvothe doing this.

https://news.yahoo.com/man-supports-tinder-match-she-125203863.html

[Anonymous No.19941181]

>>19941101
can you americans just fuck off

[Anonymous No.19941193]

>>19941101
Not my problem.

Still reading Bakker.

[Anonymous No.19941214]

>>19940992
worse. It has a female that fucks the male protagonist character traits up in the second book.
Quality went into the toilet after book one ended.

[Anonymous No.19941227]

>>19941040
Dropped the series after I finished Volume one. Utter shit. You would think that the author getting it professionally published would mean professional editing and proofreading. Nope. Same bloated shit with literal filler is transferred into an ebook and audiobook.

[Anonymous No.19941237]

>>19941193
this desu

[Anonymous No.19941262]

>see interesting book
>it has a teenage girl protag
>not interested anymore
>the author's a man
>gross
Why are so many guys obsessed with writing female protagonists?

[Anonymous No.19941370]

>>19941262
Because it's what sells.

Also some publishers won't publish your book if it isn't a female MC. They got everyone doing it these days. Lots of male authors with male protagonist are writing female protags these days. They even got Sanderson. He had to write that Skyward YA shit book for them.

It's why I only read self published books these days. They can write what they want and don't have to include or remove shit to make teh publisher happy.

[Anonymous No.19941427]

>>19935219
Did they run out of Dune reprints ?

[Anonymous No.19941579]

>>19941262
>see animefag
>dont read post

simple as

[Anonymous No.19941623]

got any sci fi academy books?
already read endersgame
something that's set in an academic setting

[Anonymous No.19941794]

Soon I'm gonna start reading this novel and I didn't know the whole Foundation plot was so dependent on the Robot series. I didn't read the four novels of the robot series involving Daneel Olivaw and I'm not planning to. Asimov should have issued a warning about this issue in his books.

[Anonymous No.19941988]

Finished A Shadow in Summer, great conclusion. Apparently many found the book slow but I was hooked from chapter 1 page 1. Strong recommend from me and I saw review anon gave the sequel a 5/5 so excited to start it but want a palate cleanser first.

Does anyone remember the name of that medieval French knight escorts a girl book am anon was shilling a bit ago?

[Anonymous No.19942008]

>>19941988
What is it about?

[Anonymous No.19942016]

>>19941988
A Slog in Summer.

I bet you probably like that faggot's Coin and dagger series. Where there is MOAR political intrigue, but little to no magic.

[Anonymous No.19942046]

>>19942008
A seemingly disconnected cast of unlikely characters find they have been pulled into a plot to destabilize a city as a prelude to invasion.

Setting is southeast Asian inspired and mostly limited to a dingle city, very interesting an understated magic elements. Story is character focused and seems to specifically counter a lot of common fantasy ideas about heroics but not in a try hard "muh expectations are subverted!" way.

>>19942016
Good to see you again old man.

[Anonymous No.19942060]

two chapters away from finishing Fellowship
what should I read next?

[Anonymous No.19942063]

>>19942046
how progressive and sjw is it?

[Anonymous No.19942067]

>>19942060
Silmarillion

[Anonymous No.19942099]

>>19942060
The Forever War by Joe Haldeman. Very similar to LotR.

[Anonymous No.19942109]

>>19942046
I'm a magic fag, character-anon.
I like magic, you like characters. This book was advertised as a magic book, it is not. There was one use of magic in the entire series when that faggot made his poem golem other than that, it's political intrigue. I don't want that shit. I just want people doing shit with magic.

If I wanted magical realism, I would read little big, buried giant, Guy Gavriel Kay books, Mythago Wood and the other stuff.

You sound like a pseud who only likes fantasy books when it's written like "real literature" aka little to no magic.

[Anonymous No.19942124]

sood

[Anonymous No.19942130]

>>19942109
Are you that dude that made that magic thread the other day? Made me kek.

[Anonymous No.19942143]

>>19942130
No. I haven't made a thread in 2 years.

[Anonymous No.19942144]

>>19941988
>Does anyone remember the name of that medieval French knight escorts a girl book am anon was shilling a bit ago?
Between Two Fires?

[Anonymous No.19942159]

>>19942143
Oh well, you just reminded me of this guy. >>19919690

[Anonymous No.19942217]

just marathoned the first 85 pages of Consider Phlebas. It's good. I like how they're slow drip teasing The Culture

[Anonymous No.19942232]

>>19942159
I hate magical schools. He fucked up trying to read those.

He should look at books with magical engineering in them. Would have worked out 100x better than magical school.

Too bad he didn't ask in here. I haven't checked outer lit in 3 years. I just come directly to sffg.

[Anonymous No.19942251]

>>19942232
have you read any of the Xanth books?

[Anonymous No.19942285]

>>19942251
Naw. Never got into them when younger, and I don't think they will interest me now.

[Anonymous No.19942360]

harry potter is about magic
might want to check those out idk

[Anonymous No.19942407]

>>19942217
I died halfway through that book because it felt like a slog.
I'm interested in what you think about it when you're finished, maybe I'll find some motivation to pick it up again.

[Anonymous No.19942440]

>>19942407
yeah I'll post in here in a few days when I finish it. My best friend has been trying to get me to read the series for years and I saw a massive thread about it on /tv/ a few months ago and finally decided to check it out. So far, so good. Throwing a lot of OC alien names at me was a bit off putting at first but he's a serviceable enough author and writes action well which is tough. I've been in a massive reading slump for a couple of years so I figured some fun sci-fi would be good to get back on the horse

[Anonymous No.19942557]

About halfway through Menocht Loop and finding it pretty eh. Usually these time loop stories are built around the idea that the character is learning stuff and achieving mastery of their environment and you learn alongside them and get new information about stuff that seemed innocuous before. Here, the character starts out years into a loop and is already super powerful and every time he "clears" a loop he gets thrown into a completely different one at a different time and space. It kinda feels like "so what?"

[Anonymous No.19942567]

>>19942557
sounds like Higurashi

[Anonymous No.19942573]

>>19942060
The Two Towers

[Anonymous No.19942599]

>>19941794
Foundation is unrelated to robots. The books beyond the original trilogy are pretty much just nonsense written for money. The Foundation concept was explored this way and that in the first threr books, but beyond that Asimov has nothing more to say on the subject.

[Anonymous No.19942867]

https://princeofnothing.fandom.com/wiki/Inchoroi
>The Inchoroi are a genetically-engineered weapon race.
Not this trope again.

[Anonymous No.19942886]

>>19933876
Which bakker book should I start with total beginner to him

[Anonymous No.19942894]

>>19942886

[Anonymous No.19942903]

>>19942886
This one.

[Anonymous No.19942905]

>>19942060
Dirty smutty lit porn. Intellectualism like LoTR is trite.

[Anonymous No.19942952]

quality over quantity is a fucking meme. i wait years for a new book from my favorite authors while self-published chads pump out a new novel every two weeks.

[Anonymous No.19942955]

>>19942903
Wow I’m getting extremely turned off by this prologue, just info dumping you with tons of foreign fantasy names like who the fuck cares?

[Anonymous No.19942960]

>>19940970
How many of these are actually good?

[Anonymous No.19942962]

>>19942905
>Intellectualism like LoTR

[Anonymous No.19942965]

>>19942955
Not my problem.

[Anonymous No.19942968]

>>19942952
>self-published chads
>chads

[Anonymous No.19943002]

>>19942955
>filtered by prologue
If you didn't find it absolutely kino then you are a retard and bakker is not for you.

[Anonymous No.19943024]

>>19943002
Bakker himself thinks it's excessively difficult to follow.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/6366ko/r_scott_bakker_on_fantasy_philosophy_and_dooooom/dfrutsr/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Q: If you were given a chance would you rewrite the first half of "A Darkness that comes before"? I am asking as it's notorious for being an avalanche of information that weeds out the people who lack the persistence to move on.
A: Yes! That first half puts the reader in a cruel catch-22: they need to know the world to follow the story, and to follow the story to know the world

>>19942955
Keep reading, the series is better than the morons shilling it here make it sound.

[Anonymous No.19943026]

>>19942955
>Bakker filtering low IQs
Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.19943032]

>>19943024
he's talking about the first half of the story not the prologue retard.

[Anonymous No.19943057]

>>19943032
"First half" clearly means the first half of the book, which includes the prologue, idiot.

[Anonymous No.19943066]

>>19943057
I mean if you wanna take it literally like an autist sure.

[Anonymous No.19943068]

>>19943057
Not him, but stop embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.19943086]

>>19943066
>>19943068
Filtered by the English language.

[Anonymous No.19943091]

>>19943086
I accept your defeat.

[Anonymous No.19943093]

>>19942285
You should give them a shot if you're so interested in magic. They might be a little YAish, but not really they're just not grimdark shit and the world is self aware and dare I say it, fun. By the 3rd or 4th book the original main characters are ageing out and their kids and their kids friends come into the foreground and then it starts splintering off and novels follow around various non-human creatures in the world. They're pretty fucking cool desu

[Anonymous No.19943103]

>>19940970
>>19942960
I looked at the description of every one of these and only 3 of them look somewhat interesting

[Anonymous No.19943117]

>>19942955
I just started and I'm finding the opposite to be true. Maybe it's just not for you. If you have problems with "foreign" made up names, then maybe you shouldn't read Bakker.

[Anonymous No.19943162]

>>19942063
Women acted like women, men like men. No bisexuality or trannies.

>>19942109
>You sound like a pseud who only likes fantasy books when it's written like "real literature" aka little to no magic
You sound like a no-fun fudder who can't handle every fantasy story not being about fireballs. I like all sorts of "low‐brow" stuff, but A Shadow in Summer is a great slower burn character focused story about the knock on effects of a very specific magic system on a society and the magicians themselves.

[Anonymous No.19943171]

>>19943162
>You sound like a no-fun fudder
what about that anon's post gives you the impression he believes that all firearms except for bolt action rifles and shotguns should be banned?

[Anonymous No.19943184]

>>19943171
Fudder in the /biz/ sense, not /k/ senpai

[Anonymous No.19943190]

>>19943184
how does someone introduce Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt regarding fantasy magic systems?

[Anonymous No.19943212]

>>19943066
All the difficulties of the first half of the main story are present in the prologue in a concentrated form.

[Anonymous No.19943216]

>>19943190
By being a deceitful little litRPG shill. A Shadow in Summer is in no way similar to magical realism and there is plenty of magic with an interesting system (not just wacky metaphor shit).

[Anonymous No.19943232]

>>19943212
A prologue is not chapter 1. It's not supposed to be an ideal introduction. bakker was clearly just referring to the first half of the story excluding the prologue.

[Anonymous No.19943238]

>Being filtered by the prologue.

[Anonymous No.19943260]

>>19943162
>women
into the trash it goes, if author can't even write a story that has no women(and all that comes with them like irrational decisions, emotions, erotica/sex) then he is a shit author.

[Anonymous No.19943276]

>>19943216
okay now I want you to imagine that I haven't read anything for nearly three years, started reading The Culture Series today, and explain to me how someone introduces Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt regarding magical systems. Don't tell me you're a memebrained fag who dillutes the meaning of every phrase he encounters? Say it ain't so

[Anonymous No.19943299]

>>19943276
>I want you to imagine that I haven't read anything for nearly three years
Easy to do

[Anonymous No.19943310]

>>19943276
Jesus Christ, ignore the shitposter.

[Anonymous No.19943337]

>>19941262
I wish I could write a fantasy novel with a 8-10 year old girl protagonist
She'd be like early arya or lyra but also teach good morals while going on a fun and exciting adventure with a cast of fun friends with her

[Anonymous No.19943347]

>>19943299
I'm 31 and in the last three years I quit my job to grow my wife's business, had a kid, had our business ruined by covid, moved 1500 miles away and our second child is due in June. What have you done in the last three years anon?

[Anonymous No.19943352]

>>19943337
>I wish I could write
Why can't you?

[Anonymous No.19943386]

>>19943352
Because I can't write

[Anonymous No.19943389]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3n4DjQDhNw

[Anonymous No.19943408]

>>19943386
Anyone can write anon! It’s just a matter of starting. It’s good for you. After a writing sesh, I feel a little lighter, a little relieved. Sure, you’re not gonna be shakespeare on your first attempt, but no one is! Be consistent on when you write and how often, and you’ll get better.

[Anonymous No.19943412]

>>19943347
For the past 5 years my daily routine is go to work, come back from work, eat, then read or browse 4chan. I didn't do much else also saved up quite a sum due to having minimal expenses

[Anonymous No.19943425]

>>19943389
oh no no no tolkien bros!1

[Anonymous No.19943428]

>>19939317
kek, already a fan
>>19940087
seen the movie
>>19938723
>viriconium
looks really cool, thanks

but the more reccs the merrier

[Anonymous No.19943439]

>>19943412
You should probably find something to spend that cash on before it becomes even more paper than it already is anon. Do you not understand how the system works? You would be better off in thousands of dollars of debt with a good credit rating than saving fucking cash dude

[Anonymous No.19943451]

>>19943386
You mean you don't want to write.

[Anonymous No.19943461]

>>19942968
>the "writes a novel for someone else and gets pennies" virgin
vs
>the "writes a novel for themselves and takes all the risks and rewards" chad

[Anonymous No.19943530]

>>19935287

[Anonymous No.19943535]

>>19935287
I will never read this.

[Anonymous No.19943546]

>>19943439
Debt is a responsibility and I hate it, it causes me anxiety and stress, it is like a constant subconcious worry in the back of my head. I have 0 debt and 10k in my current account(and 5k in cash) and even more in savings. As I said I have very little expenses and having that 10k or more allows me to almost forget about handling and worrying about finances in my life. As long as I am emplyed and all my bills paid by companies taking the money from the account directly I can lead a carefree life.

[Anonymous No.19943550]

>>19943408
I just don't know how to write
Like ok I need to set the scene and describe where they are, where the characters are, what they're doing, etc and then I need to seamlessly integrate the dialogue in without it feeling awkward and then I need to go back to describing the action and then you need to give each character their own way of speaking, etc
I will try to write some now though since you've got me a bit motivated
>>19943451
I've tried anon I've tried writing over the past 10 years
I've tried studying how other authors write and I read a lot but it just doesn't work for me

[Anonymous No.19943554]

>>19943546
I have a ton of real assets and a nearly 800 credit score with $7000 of debt not counting the $13000 I owe on my car in a massively inflationary economy. You're doing America wrong.

[Anonymous No.19943583]

>>19943546
I have almost the exact same living situation. I just want financial security and low anxiety level. I really don't understand the drive people have to start juggling all these balls in the air and going through all this stuff to make their number bigger. I just want to read books and get wife.

[Anonymous No.19943602]

>>19943554
Christ, 20k in debt, Id kill myself working 50 hours a day to pay it off asap. I get it, it is an american way, no wonder you start taking antidepressants from like age 5

[Anonymous No.19943608]

>>19943602
People say shit like that to me all the time then end up like this guy >>19943347 usually, I think they're all just fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.19943618]

>>19943602
>non-american lamenting someone who leverages the american system correctly
just lmao. Enjoy your commieblock and $10 bread
>no wonder you start taking antidepressants from like age 5
I'm an alcoholic because it runs in my family and I did nothing to curb it, just like everyone in your shit irrelevant nation

[Anonymous No.19943620]

>>19943583
>want low anxiety level
>want a wife
You may only pick one.

[Anonymous No.19943739]

>>19943439
>>19943546
>>19943554
>>19943583
>>19943602
>>19943608
>>19943618
>>19943620
These posts are off-topic

[Anonymous No.19943743]

>>19943618
The fuck is your problem? If you want to be in debt then that is your business, I don't care either way.
Commie blocks are fine, everything is taken care of by management company(maintenance, trash removal, mowing the lawn around the block) , I also have full comprehensive insurance, if something goes really wrong I will be covered.

>irrelevant nation
I wish that was the case.

[Anonymous No.19943746]

can we rangeban americans and their blatant offtopic posts yet?

[Anonymous No.19943753]

>>19943743
what has your laughably meager savings and admittedly pointless and repetitive life done for ya pal?

[Anonymous No.19943761]

>>19943746
>can we just ban americans off this american website I found out about a couple of years ago?
No but you can fuck off to /int/ or krautchan or hispachan or make an imageboard for whatever shithole you live in sweetie :)

[Anonymous No.19943809]

>>19943753
It didn't do anything bad (or good), I live stress free life just the way I like it. I don't that would be possible in a country like usa.

[Anonymous No.19943836]

>>19943809
>I just exist because..... I DO OKAY
>I'm sure the place with all of the lights and action and 1/3 of the people of my continent spread out across my entire continent must suck because of memes
k bro have fun in your apartment

[Anonymous No.19943925]

>>19943836
Going out, meeting people, drinking, lights and action is fun, but not as much as staying home on friday or saturday night and reading a good book.
It took me a while to understand this.

[Anonymous No.19943947]

>>19943925
I own two kayaks and 6 guns and brought my son camping and even out in one of the 'yaks (with a little life jacket of course) when he was one year old. I moved from the adirondack mountains to the ozark mountains in the last year and I can hardly wait to go hammock camping in the southwest as soon as it warms up a bit more. I'll be calling you a faggot as I fall asleep there in the middle of the woods, too

[Anonymous No.19943954]

>>19943947
>>19943925
>>19943836
>>19943809
Nobody cares

[Anonymous No.19943964]

>>19943954
Cope. I'm living a literal cyberpunk novel and you're mad because an american pointed out that leveraging debt is better than saving cash with a goal of nothing

[Anonymous No.19943978]

>>19943964
Start talking about books

[Anonymous No.19943980]

>>19942968
Cold Steel makes good coconut openers and publishing houses are obsolete. Seethe more boomer.

[Anonymous No.19943996]

>>19941988
I'm glad that you liked it so much. I'll be reading the third book soon. My reading has slowed down a lot for various reasons.

[Anonymous No.19944001]

>>19943980
Unprecedentedly based

[Anonymous No.19944011]

oh god please bring back the Bakker spam already this general really is shit without it

[Anonymous No.19944014]

>>19944011
nice falseflag
it's the same group of americans spamming

[Anonymous No.19944021]

>>19933865
What the fuck is a “self-published” book?

[Anonymous No.19944032]

>>19941794
Did you read the prequels and sequels to the trilogy?
He put a lot of things in there related to his other books in order to expand and connect the Foundation universe.

[Anonymous No.19944039]

>>19944032
how much will I miss if I go in straight into the foundation trilogy without having read any other book

[Anonymous No.19944044]

>>19942599
Did you read the prequels and sequels to the trilogy?
He put a lot of things in there related to his other books in order to expand and connect the Foundation universe.

[Anonymous No.19944046]

>>19934723
>but it's pretty based.
how?

[Anonymous No.19944048]

>>19943947
I can accept that, putting in effort and spending time with kids is worth it

[Anonymous No.19944060]

>>19943535
Why not?

[Anonymous No.19944095]

>>19944021
literally means what it is called. A Self Published Book. You can't be this retarded?

[Anonymous No.19944116]

>>19944095
So what differentiates it from a regularly published book? How does one go about publishing their own book?

[Anonymous No.19944125]

>>19944116
anon, bad bait
try harder next time

[Anonymous No.19944166]

>>19943276
I think he meant just presenting a negative sentiment towards something you're recommending.

>Buy my shitcoin, $STC it's really good
>$STC is pre-mined and the owner is indian, don't buy it
That's fud

>Read this book, I really like it
>It doesn't have fireballs, don't read it
That's fud (according to the anon)
t. tourist from /biz/

[Anonymous No.19944170]

>>19944116
Regular is known as "traditionally published" through a publisher. Self-publish is you doing everything. In other words, you paying out all the expenses. Editing, cover Art, printing, distribution (most common would be Amazon), marketing (have to pay extra to get noticed on searches), ect...
Self-publishing is more accessible through websites like Amazon and they give you different options. People that even publish on Amazon successfully put it a lot of work and cash to make professional. A traditional publisher handles everything leaving you more time to write. Problem is, you got to be lucky to get picked up by publisher.

[Anonymous No.19944265]

>>19944170
Thanks for the actual answer

[Anonymous No.19944275]

>>19942955
I had the same problem but just out of spite for the spammer I'm going to cut down every name to 2 syllables

[Anonymous No.19944302]

>>19942955
I don't think writers always intend to include a prologue. I think that they write the books and then often through revision discover a need to let the reader what in the fuck is happening in the beginning of the book. I agree it's not necessary and it does seem overdone in the genre. That said, it's usually better to hammer through it and see how the book opens in chapter 1.

[Anonymous No.19944304]

>Bakker
>Bakker
>Bakker
>Bakker
I know nothing about this guy but after visiting sffg for so long I'll never read any of his books.

[Anonymous No.19944349]

>>19944304
I said the same thing :/

[Anonymous No.19944385]

>>19943978
start leveraging debt

[Anonymous No.19944401]

>>19940012
The first couple of books are a good introduction, sure, but don't just start reading all of Discworld chronologically.

[Anonymous No.19944486]

>>19944170
I'm surprised that I don't see as many self-published books on services other than amazon since I would have thought authors would want to get their books on as many storefronts as possible. I wonder if the others have a higher barrier of entry or some other reason that would make self-published authors not want to use them. I pirate everything anyway but it'd be nice to support authors I like by buying their shit on my kobo's store rather than having to buy it from a service I don't use. I really want self-publishing to take off.

[Anonymous No.19944487]

>The Ring turned Boromir into a(n) _______.

[Anonymous No.19944497]

Bakker bros they're bullying us in this thread>>19937686

[Anonymous No.19944549]

>Crakker
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiit

[Anonymous No.19944635]

>>19944486
If you want to find your book in any barns and noble, you have to be published traditionally for the most part. I'm sure you can work out deals to get them in your local book store, but any deal you broker for yourself is not going to rival the distribution power of a major publisher. If they think your book is going to be hot they will pay for putting it out on that front display table for example. They even have an edge when it comes to Amazon. Books from publishers get preference on most search results. On paper though, you can make more money through self publishing on Amazon but the people that are most successful in that route are strategic with a plan. They are really talented from a business perspective and write large amount of books in order to hook an audience or they have an existing fanbase in order to shill their book to like a youtuber.

[Anonymous No.19944794]

>>19944635
You forgot to mention you need to have a social media presence tk gain a following.

[Anonymous No.19944815]

>>19944794
Wouldn't just writing from royal road solve that?

[Anonymous No.19944829]

>>19944794
Personally I think the need for social media is a little overstated. Sure you need some but it isn't as if you need to constantly be active on twitter shilling your shit. One author I came across puts out one book every month and he makes enough from that to have quit his day job and just focus on writing and he still supports a family that way. His only social media is a monthly facebook post and some reddit posts.

Of course anecdotes really mean fuck all but I'm just saying it's possible. He writes a niche genre and I guess the sub reddit for that genre is active enough that people reading anything new that gets posted on kindle unlimited are enough to fund his life. So finding a community like that is another option if you don't want to waste time on social media and don't mind writing for a specific audience.

[Anonymous No.19944841]

>>19944829
Writing for a niche is more easier, since it’s a niche to begin with, but nonetheless l, for the majority of people who won’t be writing for a niche. A social media is the only way.

[Anonymous No.19944851]

>>19944829
Link to the guy? Want to see if it’s real.

[Anonymous No.19944854]

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[Anonymous No.19944876]

>>19934659
I feel like the one true chart should have roadside picnic on it somewhere

[Anonymous No.19944883]

>>19944841
Yeah I guess you're right. I've never used social media but I imagine it's a real bitch to break through in the right circles to publicize your stuff. I wonder if we'll see the rize of small marketing and editing businesses that can be hired on a contract basis for self publishers. There seems to be a growing market for it.
>>19944851
Bruce Sentar. He writes harem smut books. I ended up being fascinated more by his work ethic and independence than by his novels themselves but he's the real deal as far as I can tell.

[Anonymous No.19944893]

>>19944883
>Bruce Sentar
Ah fuck, I bought A Mage's Cultivation. Dude's great. I really like self-publishing authors.

[Anonymous No.19944937]

>>19944893
I never liked cultivation stuff but I did like Mana Master. He really seems to know his audience as well and found a sweet spot between churning out novels as fast as possible and taking time with the details. I think he sets a good standard as far as niche writers go.

[Anonymous No.19945031]

>>19944937
>I think he sets a good standard as far as niche writers go.
That's the fucking dream.

[Anonymous No.19945210]

>>19939161
Wandering Inn was such a series of missed opportunities and cop outs.
It started off great by deconstructing most portal fantasies. Erin had immense struggles adapting to an alien world with a culture that's far different from her own. When she's just starting to get her footing, she gets knocked back down from the mountain due to the consequences of her naive actions and has to pull her way back up again.
It was damn good and I enjoyed it up until what you said - where consequences for actions were being thrown out the window.
I apparently stopped at the point before a mass murderer got off scot-free and I'm glad I did.
And like a lot of people Ryoka was another huge factor for me tapping out. Good lord, what a terrible character. I thought at the point she got her legs crunched she would have been humbled it'd serve to develop her but of course she gets healed. And I'm supposed to believe this girl who refuses to "be controlled by leveling up" could do enough damage to a Minotaur that it would piss him off? Or run through a death mountain that no other runner lived to the tale?

>>19941040
It's sad to hear she turned into a plot device because of the stubborn author. Erin was the main reason I was hooked by this story for awhile. She was getting some good growth after Klbkch's death. But alas, I could see the signs of her going back to being static when she refused to let Toren learn to fight for her.

[Anonymous No.19946228]

>>19945210
>I apparently stopped at the point before a mass murderer got off scot-free and I'm glad I did.
I continued for a bit longer, mostly because I enjoyed the other pov enough. But yeah, yesterday I checked the novels Wikipedia site to see what happened since I stopped.
Turns out, Erin gets “killed”, but to everyone’s surprise she isn’t actually dead. Then every character spends the entire Volume (!) trying to resurrect her while she is doing some bullshit in the land of the dead.
I don’t regret dropping it.
Ryoka: I forgot about her rejection of the levelling system.
But now I remember how much I hated her accepting the bullshit fairy magic later on. And btw, her buddy the frost faerie which died? She isn’t dead of course.

>Wandering Inn was such a series of missed opportunities and cop outs.
The major problem is that the story spends so much time to explain the world. It invites the reader to question the world in a way that no other litrpg story had. And it answered these questions, even when the answer was not pretty.
No, people are not equal. Sacrificing ten level 10 warriors to create a single level 20 warrior is worth the price if you don’t care about the individual.
Goblins can be reasoned with. But there is a reason why every goblin should be dead. It’s sad and you can feel pity for them. I can fully understand Erins motivation. But the hate the other species feel for these fuckers isn’t unreasonable. It came from near extermination of all sentient species. A guitar playing goblin in an inn won’t change their perception of them.

However, while the story explains all this stuff it never follows through.
There is a death penalty for certain crimes. But it never gets put into effect.
There is a reason why an alien race like the antinium is feared (and we know that people who mistrusts them are 100% correct). But suddenly everyone is accepting and they turn into normal people. They can even fall in love with humans now! Does it makes? Doesnt this destroy the entire principal of the antinium species?
Who cares! But patreons can do all the stupid fan stuff and be happy about their favourite characters falling in love with each other.

[Anonymous No.19946458]

>>19944497
>Bakker bros they're bullying us in this thread

[Anonymous No.19946571]

>>19945210
I'm going to assume you mean [SPOILER] Calruz [/SPOILER] when you say "Mass Murderer", so I think it's important to note a few things about that whole sitation story-wise

1. [SPOILER] As is made exceedingly clear, Calruz was (potentially) completely batshit insane during his stay in the dungeon, and has now been restored to sanity. It would go against Zevarra's character for her to kill him when he was acting under extenuating circumstances, which is why she has to support Calruz (plus she wants Minotaur D) [/SPOILER]

2. [SPOILER] It isn't as though Calruz learns nothing from his experience and doesn't develop as a character. By allowing him to survive, the author is able to take the opportunity to explore how someone who had done something horrific without their full control is able to react to that and live with themselves going forwards. [/SPOILER]

3. [SPOILER] Even with Zevarra on Calruz's side, it is only with Erin's intervention that he is prevented from being lynched. I'm not arguing whether or not Erin SHOULD have saved Calruz, but I do think that it would go completely against Erin's character for her to simply sit there and allow Calruz to die when there was a possibility for her to do something about it. [/SPOILER]

Overall, The Wandering Inn has always been a story about hope. It would go against the story's tone to not allow
a character like [SPOILER] Calruz [/SPOILER] a chance to atone and redeem themselves (which, if the other redemption arcs in the story
are anything to go by, will not end with everyone randomly loving and being okay with [SPOILER] Calruz [/SPOILER] again one chapter.)
Even in the darkest of storylines (apart from the Rhir Wall arc), everything always ends up turning out for the best.

>>19945210
>>19940729
As for the Ryoka issue... she gets better after Reitzmelt I guess, and starts taking a backseat to the immortal stuff ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anyway, I absolutely adore The Wandering Inn, would recommend to anyone if you can get past the rocky first book.

[Anonymous No.19946644]

>>19945210
>>19939161
I'm going to assume you mean Calruz when you say "Mass Murderer", so I think it's important to note a few things about that whole sitation story-wise

1. As is made exceedingly clear, Calruz was (potentially) completely batshit insane during his stay in the dungeon, and has now been restored to sanity. It would go against Zevarra's character for her to kill him when he was acting under exenuating circumstances, which is why she has to support Calruz (plus she wants Minotaur D)

2. It isn't as though Calruz learns nothing from his experience and doesn't develop as a character. By allowing him to survive, the author is able to take the opportunity to explore how someone who had done something horrific without their full control is able to react to that and live with themselves going forwards

3. Even with Zevarra on Calruz's side, it is only with Erin's intervention that he is prevented from being lynched. I'm not arguing whether or not Erin SHOULD have saved Calruz, but I do think that it would go completely against Erin's character for her to simply sit there and allow Calruz to die when there was a possibility for her to do something about it.

Overall, The Wandering Inn has always been a story about hope. It would go against the story's tone to not allow a character like Calruz a chance to atone and redeem himself (which, if the other redemption arcs in the story are anything to go by, will not end with everyone randomly loving and being okay with him again one chapter.) Even in the darkest of storylines (apart from the Rhir Wall arc), everything always ends up turning out for the best, but not without the characters changing and adapting to their new conditions as well. The core of the book is people living in a dangerous, 'realistic' fantasy world but still managing to change things for the better, grow stronger, and become better people for it.

>>19941040
>>19945210
>>19940729
As for the Ryoka issue, she constantly gets punished for her fuckups until she finally wises up after going to Reitzmelt. After that she starts taking a bit more of a back seat to all the immortal stuff.

Anyway, I absolutely adore The Wandering Inn, would recommend to anyone if you can get past the rocky first book.